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1:19 AM
It's unfortunate that such a comment like this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5055042/whats-the-best-practice-using-a-settings-file-in-python?noredirect=1&lq=1#comment114290524_5055042 (or more unfriendly comment towards the curators...) is posted on many such "useful and closed" questions.
(of course they can be flagged but they will pop up again)

Perhaps it will be a good idea to show a "even though this question is useful we close it because <...> if you disagree then <...>" in the close banner instead of
 
 
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sta
4:34 AM
this question is asking Request for Off-Site Resource?
 
@sta Doesn't look like it to me. It looks like they're asking how to solve a specific practical problem: testing the API without making a real payment. That the answer might include a recommendation for a resource is irrelevant/not a problem.
 
5:21 AM
@desertnaut @eyllanesc @miken32 The deletion of this question (after its deletion was requested in here) has been contested on Meta. Please review, and either defend your decision to delete the question on the Meta question or consider undeleting.
(OK, now I've had to lock the Meta question because the asker wasn't really interested in a constructive discussion. Therefore, you won't be able to post answers for a while. Sorry about the ping in this case. But, still worth a review. Thanks!)
 
 
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11:55 AM
Is this an answer? Got two upvotes quickly, question has a bounty.
 
@JeanneDark There is some "funny business".
 
@CodyGray Already on it.
 
Thanks
 
Ha ha, it's like a Crystal Ball conference in here :-)
 
They're diamonds! Much pointier than crystal balls.
 
12:05 PM
Diamonds can read minds better too, apparently.
 
Oh, I'm awful at mind-reading.
Half of the time, I can barely understand what people are thinking when they try to tell me. I'm much worse at intuiting it.
 
That'd be a curse - imagine being able to understand someone with an inverse relationship to how much they have told you. If something is kept a secret you can read their mind, and if they tell you what something is, it makes no sense at all.
 
You'd have well over 1 million rep on SO
 
Although that description is fairly reminiscent of my current SWE dept, ha ha :=)
 
A question: Imagine I write an innocent comment, eg. "Please translate your answer into English", that gets flagged as harassment or unfriendly & unkind. I delete it myself once the problem with the post is corrected. The flag is marked helpful. Could that become a problem for me?
 
12:11 PM
@JeanneDark No. Thankfully, mods are not idiots.
 
@halfer Ah, well if you know anyone like that, my code is failing with lint errors in unrelated code and I don't know why, please help.
 
The worst thing that could possibly happen would be that you'd end up wasting a few moments of a mod's time reviewing a false-positive auto-flag.
 
You cant read tone from text. It becomes readers assumption
 
Intriguingly, I'm a lot better at reading tone from text than interpreting it from interpersonal interactions.
 
@CodyGray Thanks! Now I feel like one for asking ;)
 
12:13 PM
@JeanneDark Heh, no. If we had some kind of auto-suspension for "rude" comments, than that is definitely something that could be an issue (albeit still a very obscure/uncommon one). But that's precisely why we don't have such a thing.
 
Thanks for the explanation!
 
Also you can get "bad" flags upheld against you if you get unlucky and hit the one-flag delete criteria! It's great.
 
@RyanM I've found a good strategy for avoiding that is omitting the random expletives from my comments. :-)
@Tomerikoo What off-site resource is being requested there? It sounds to me like they're asking for a method.
 
@RyanM 42?
 
@RyanM That's why I no longer comment on other people's accept rate ;)
 
12:17 PM
@RyanM Have you tried restarting it?
 
@JeanneDark It's a sensible question - mods are not idiots, but how has the system been built? It's easy to accidentally find that one has built mod tools that penalise harmless comments in unexpected ways.
 
That's why it's essential that there be a human reviewing this stuff at some point before action is taken.
 
Yes, that's why I was curious.
 
If there are any humans? Good question.
 
@CodyGray It was more of a reply to halfer ;)
 
12:20 PM
@CodyGray Maybe I read it wrong, maybe I was distracted by all recommendation answers...
 
eh how is that tp?
 
@SurajRao It looked to me like they had mixed spam for some product into an otherwise legitimate-looking programming question. Otherwise, what is "Nitrox Booster" doing in there a dozen times?
 
@JeanneDark Cody could just be AI, of course. And that prompts us to reflect on an interesting question - if moderations were AI routines, would they know?
 
Unsurprisingly, there's a Quora question about that.
 
I don't think they would know. But I doubt that so many advances in the field of Artificial Snarkiness have been made.
 
12:28 PM
You are worried the researchers do not have their priorities straight?
 
Indeed. It may well be heading into the wrong direction.
 
 
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1:53 PM
I am torn on whether to dupe-hammer-reopen the many linked questions to this post: Rolling or sliding window iterator?
That post requests an iterator for a sliding window, hence the semi-complicated answers, whereas the many linked duplicates simply want to slide through an array, which can easily be done with slicing.
Any opinions?
 
I am not a Python expert, so my advice should be taken with a grain of salt. However, it looks like the answers to that canonical are offering both solutions, so I would just edit the canonical to make it not specific to an iterator. That way, it would be a more appropriate canonical for both ways of iterating through an array.
 
I believe that this would be a more appropriate target: iterate through list like in sliding window
 
@AnnZen If you have questions that could be closed as a better duplicate keep a list of all such questions that can be linked to.
 
Ah, well, that option works, too.
I think she has a gold badge, too, @karel
 
indeed she has :)
 
2:00 PM
@AnnZen The problem with slicing is that it's not so efficient. On the other hand, most of the answers on that main dupe target you gave don't assume the input is an iterator. In fact, they cast the input to one (it = iter(seq)) so I think you don't need to worry too much
If you want, you could actually add an answer to that mega-dupe-target casting the input to a list and offering the slicing solution, noting the relevant caveats (if the sequence is an infinite generator for example)
 
@Tomerikoo Sounds like then that my suggestion of "canonicalizing" that main dupe target (to remove the insistence upon an iterator-based solution) would be most appropriate.
 
@CodyGray None of the answers provided the slicing method, AFAIK. Of course, that's because the OP requested that the sliding window function to work with generators too, and not a simple sequence.
 
@Tomerikoo Do think long and hard about whether it needs a new answer, or whether you can just edit the mention of the caveats/advantages into an existing answer.
 
@CodyGray Okay, I'll do that.
 
@AnnZen There is actually already an existing answer a bit in disguise (cc @CodyGray)
 
2:05 PM
I'll get my pom-poms and start chanting "edit", if need be :-)
 
@CodyGray We're not Reddit. We can edit. Tra-la-la. Tra-la-la
 
@AdrianMole I see you've regained consciousness... partially...
 
Only the sarcastic half of my brain is awake.
 
That's the only half anyone ever needs.
 
@CodyGray "Nitrox booster" is just something that makes a car go fast, or something to that effect. It fits the problem description, and based on the linked image, the text is copied directly from what looks like a homework assignment. That's definitely not spam.
 
2:21 PM
So you claim that homework questions are not spam? ;)
 
"Nitrox booster" actually looks like some kind of protein supplement for humans, not cars. It's stylized NitroX.
As I was just researching that, I got the inkling that I was being trolled into looking up spam.
 
Here's a nitrox booster for example.
 
Wow, I wonder if it's the same formula as the supplement for body building? Would be convenient to just by a single product!
 
That would be convenient :)
 
Isn't there also something with a very similar name used in scuba diving?
 
2:26 PM
It could also be spam for the fuel additive. Wouldn't by far not be the most bizarre product/service we've seen spam for on SO.
 
Guys. I have some thoughts. If i see, that new question is a duplicate, but an author is a newbie and he can't reuse answers from this post - should i flag or make an answer (by?) myself?
 
@manro If it's a duplicate, flag as such. If the target needs a more basic answer, add one there.
 
{ninja'd by a tree}
 
@JeanneDark True. I did consider that, but the phrasing of the question, the linked image, and the lack of a spam link makes me doubt it. If I see something like that pop up again, I'll reevaluate.
 
2:30 PM
@BaummitAugen i flagged today there [stackoverflow.com/questions/69697152/… but he can't do
 
@cigien Did you check that the linked image wasn't actually the spam link? I assumed it was, but I didn't check, because I don't normally click links.
Anyway, my feelings align with Jeanne's dismal but accurate view of the world.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I did. It's images of the question. BTW, I just realized there isn't a link to it in the transcript, sorry about that. This is the MS report for what we're talking about.
 
@manro If they run into new issues while trying to apply the solution to their original problem, they should post a new question with an MCVE to get that sorted out.
 
They didn't manage to get either of the images actually linked in the question.
 
@BaummitAugen i afraid for them, hope that ban don't touch their accounts for dupes and other bad things
 
2:37 PM
Users aren't banned for asking questions that are duplicates. Often times, multiple phrasings that all point back to the same central Q&A are useful contributions.
But like Tree said, you don't want to answer the duplicates, as that scatters out the information. We want to keep it consolidated in one place.
 
Any gold-holder that can fix the dupe-list on this question? Replace the current dupe with the one from my comment. Your help is much appreciated thanks in advance!
 
@Tomerikoo Let me take a look.
 
Let me know if you fail, and I can try to help, too. :-)
 
@Tomerikoo I agree your comment dupe target is a much better fit. I've updated the duplicate list.
@CodyGray How are we defining "fail" here? XD
 
2:49 PM
Not able to figure out which buttons to click to update the duplicate list, I guess. Missing when you aim Mjölnir?
 
@CodyGray Well I for one most certainly never accidently closed the wrong question. No siree not me. XD
 
Hah. If that were true, then I'd say you weren't closing enough questions!
 
Maybe I'm just perfect.
Actually my dupe-hammers are fairly recent (well my whole account is) so I've only made a few mistakes so far.
 
Oh wow, yeah. I assumed you'd been around much longer.
 
I had some free time on my hands. I like a good side-project and wanted to learn something new and here I am.
 
2:56 PM
So this isn't a recreation of a previous account?
 
No this is my first ever SO account.
 
To be honest, it's rare to see users only a few months old who have already figured out how things are supposed to work.
 
Maybe I'm just a great actor and I really have no clue what's going on.
 
I've been faking it for over a decade, and no one's figured it out yet.
 
How did this get into the First Answers queue? The user has two previous answers from 2 and 4 days ago.
 
3:00 PM
Caching?
For what it's worth, both of their other two answers are in the First Answers queue, too. So... maybe it keeps enqueueing their answers until at least one passes with a positive review?
 
One of the earlier answers was already fully reviewed in First Answers (with "Looks OK") but their actual first answer looks like it was "invalidated" twice in FA.
 
@HenryEcker Phew! I am working towards that gold-badge for about 2 years and here you are swooping it in 6 months... Nice work!
 
Indeed; that is pretty impressive!
 
@Tomerikoo It's not a race XD
Like I said, I had some time on my hands and some knowledge to share. I do have almost twice as many answers as you do, but no where near the amount of moderation efforts. Perhaps we're just doing things in opposite order.
 
@HenryEcker truth be said, pandas tag is generally considered a "dumpster fire" I'm guessing you can answer every single combination of a table/query there is (which means little variation on the same principle).
 
3:06 PM
Moderation/curation efforts tend to take more time than answering.
 
@AdrianMole So I've noticed in my recent review efforts. Honestly, it's also odd competing with a resource in some ways. Like do I stop reviewing to save some close votes to be able to close some duplicates or finish out the queue.
It's been enjoyable in a different way.
 
@HenryEcker I gave up on some of the more interesting tags because any question would require at least 1 or 2 hours to figure out and write up, and in all likelihood you wouldn't get more than 1 or 2 up votes in a year...
 
@HenryEcker Yeah these days I tend to close more questions then answering them... Of course it's not a race, but I'm still jealous. I just encounter so many dupes and it's irritating to have to hope someone else will come to help the closure...
 
@Tomerikoo ... that's what this room is for.
 
Sure, but I don't want to overflood and sometimes dupes require some SME, unlike a typo which is easy to figure out
 
3:13 PM
@bad_coder I'm not quite sure what you mean by this: "I'm guessing you can answer every single combination of a table/query there is (which means little variation on the same principle)." Apologies in advance if I've misunderstood, but it feels like you're devaluing the effort that went into creating those answers or are in some way insinuating that all pandas questions and answers are variations on the same concepts. (Which is arguably what all of programming is)
 
@Tomerikoo What's the Python chat-room like, in terms of seeking opinions about dupes? (I guess there are restrictions on asking for close votes in most rooms, so doing that will probably invoke mod/CM wrath.)
 
@Tomerikoo I also tend to close more questions than I answer. The issue with pandas though is there are very few gold badge holders and answerers in general so it's often difficult to get people on board with closing.
 
@AdrianMole They actually allow a similar "cv-pls" as is done here. Although it's much more rare, since it's not all they do.
 
@HenryEcker Don't most Pandas questions also have the (a) Python tag? There are quite a few Python gold-badges.
@CodyGray Is that just the Python room? I thought such things had to be mod/staff approved.
 
@AdrianMole I do also tend to send some requests there (using the cv-pls generator) but the room is not dedicated for that so I don't want to flood them as well. Anyway, you might notice that I do still post duplicate requests here - it would just be a lot more fun and easy to close them alone! :)
 
3:17 PM
I don't know, blame the 3-legged dog. He probably approved it in the Python room.
I'm sure there was a whole process. The Python room long predates my usage of chat.
 
I also think a few mods hang out in that room, so there's probably a reasonable level of moderation.
 
I venture in there occasionally to try and prove the superiority of C++.
But in all seriousness, they have extremely effective room owners.
 
@AdrianMole pandas questions usually end up with a python tag for sure. However, if the primary question is data reshaping or manipulation they'll just have pandas/dataframe sometimes something like data-cleaning and so adding python after the fact does not always help. Also just because it's technically python doesn't mean enough users are confident enough to support a duplicate vote.
 
Hmm. The wiki excerpt looks like it could use some usage guidance.
 
So could and
 
3:23 PM
So could most tag-wiki excerpts, to be fair.
 
Was there a point where the excerpts were used for something different? Or was it always supposed to be guidance on how to use the tag?
Also do people ever read them?
 
I don't know. The guidance has been the same since I've been here.
 
@HenryEcker All evidence shows that - not
 
... but I still see so many suggestions in the review queue where absolutely no usage guidance is included.
 
3:26 PM
@HenryEcker Nothing has changed. They've always been meant as just-in-time tagging guidance. And, no, no one has ever read them.
Look, it's a Braiam question that I upvoted! :-p
 
@Braiam And it's still not enough... I mean, even when a tag has a "DO NOT USE" in the excerpt people still apply it...
 
@AdrianMole The problem is, when you plagiarize from Wikipedia, the usage guidance isn't included.
 
@Tomerikoo You can't follow guidance if you don't know it exist :D
 
That has been my issue is that often the usage guidance doesn't load in until after I've selected the tag I want to use.
 
Huh? The usage is in the tag picker.
 
3:33 PM
@CodyGray aw. I just wanted to extend my comment on that one.
 
Kinda pointless to ramble on at length when you have no idea whether the person can even understand what you're writing
Not that it's ever stopped me
 
:)
 
@CodyGray What I meant is that if I'm typing "pandas" for example. I've typed all of pandas I know I want to use pandas as a tag by the time the selector comes up I'm just looking for the word pandas and not really reading the other things on the screen.
 
That's because you already know it's the tag you want. I do that, too. I don't even bother to pick from the drop-down most of the time; I just type the name of the tag because I know it exists and I know what it's for.
 
Although maybe it's just me being single minded and blazing through the tags. I don't ask many questions. I'm not overly familiar with the concept.
 
3:36 PM
But if I'm retagging in an area where I'm unfamiliar, then I'll actually read what it says.
 
I meant process*
not concept of asking questions XD
 
It's not just in asking questions yourself. It's also in editing/retagging the ones other people ask.
 
I had a feature request on MSE to add bold to excerpts to make them pop even more but it wasn't accepted well :( already Roombad...
 
The thing we really need are the warning messages for certain tags.
 
It might be nice to have an excerpt summary. Like in the confirmations "from the tags you've selected you're asking a question about...."
 
3:41 PM
And that is precisely why we shouldn't have tags we know people would misuse heavily.
 
Common words, ambiguous tags, etc.
 
Ah, and this feature request would probably be what @HenryEcker was talking/thinking about. Amusingly, that is marked as "deferred" by someone who no longer works at the company, so not likely to ever be thought about again.
 
But even if you know you want the pandas tag, it would be nice if that tag's excerpt had usage guidance. Something like: "...When using this tag, you should also include (one of) the python tag(s)."
 
@AdrianMole "Not for questions about the adorable black-and-white bears who eat bamboo"
 
3:46 PM
People think they want the visual studio tag when they have a problem with their c# code, so most of the time people don't know what they want.
 
@CodyGray That would also be useful.
 
I wonder... do pandas eat pythons?
 
they are herbivores
 
No, duh, they're herbivores. But actually, pythons can and do eat panda cubs.
 
If you are being a jerk, animals usually attack in self defense
 
So, maybe pandas don't eat pythons, but if they attack them they respond
 
@CodyGray Ah unfortunate. Perhaps a séance to call back the departed is in order.
 
Oh, actually... it also links to a feature request on the global Meta, which was marked as "status-review" very recently by someone who is still on the staff. So... this could happen, if we all hold our mouths just right.
 
What does " if we all hold our mouths just right" mean?
 
Same thing as "if we all hold our breath". Basically just that it has to be the perfect constellation of circumstances for it to happen, so you shouldn't count on it.
Not sure where the idiom originates from. I had a grandfather who used to say it. If something complex or inscrutable didn't go right (say, an intermittent failure), he'd say it was because "you weren't holding your mouth right". Basically some silly non-reason that is obviously irrelevant.
 
3:57 PM
@CodyGray Interesting I had not before heard that expression. Thank you for the clarification
 
As Jeanne and Adrian like to mention, I'm from Texas, so I do know some pretty obscure idioms. :-)
 
@HenryEcker for reference I've seen several users saying the SQL tag has become impossible to organize and curate, my guess is pandas will be going down the same road.
 
The problem with SQL is there are so many different and even incompatible dialects. Is that true with Pandas?
 
@CodyGray I'm not an SME on pandas (walked away from SQL by choice) but considering pandas will sit on top of SQL in the stack my guess is it'll become a problem multiplier.
 
@CodyGray I feel that pandas struggles with the interconnectivity. It ships with matplotlib scipy numpy Jinja2 bs4. There are also many libraries who have built on or extended the library. So sometimes the question is given this data how do I plot it like this, this is my attempt. Which is often hard to categorize in that the question may require normalization of the dataframe before being able to plot it in that format. Which can make questions hard to focus.
The other issue is that pandas has very few features that need to be combined in specific ways. The developers work very hard to remove redundancies which means that a single keyword operation in SQL might be 5 or 6 known transformations in combination. Which can also make questions hard to form.
@CodyGray Is Texas known for their obscure idioms?
 
4:05 PM
Interesting. The timeline no longer shows the reviewers who deleted a post, but just links to the review. It wasn't like that before, was it? I remember seeing the usernames of the reviewers before.
 
@HenryEcker Generally, the southern US is known for very folksy idioms that are quite obscure anywhere else. Texas is as good as the rest of the southern states on that note, if not better.
 
@JeanneDark thats edit history. The timeline does show it
 
@JeanneDark I think it might have always been like that when the post was deleted through review, only showing the names of the delete-voters when they cast delete votes outside of the review queue. But I can't remember for sure, either. The timeline should still have the full information.
 
@SurajRao Thanks, silly me. Got confused.
 
Timeline is the big clock icon. It doesn't mean "time travel". I've been confused by it as well.
 
4:08 PM
@CodyGray Sorry, false alarm. I didn't look at the timeline
 
Personally, I find revision history much easier to use. Timeline has too high of an information density.
 
@HenryEcker but lets avoid the value/devalue debate for a minute... And lets say pushing a row/column has the same complexity an inverse Laplace transform or a differential equation have... ok. I've seen a few gold badge holders (who get the +1000 almost overnight) and the few times I check their posting history for a given couple of days, 50% are duplicates, with another 25% being one-liners on top of that..
So... Fast rep isn't what it might seem, not necessarily.
 
Dunno if this is exactly on-topic for this room, but there's a bunch of new users each posting (usually) two plagiarised answers on the hadoop/mapreduce tags. I assume it's a college assignment to submit some answers on the subject. I've flagged a bunch of them but there's clearly some most investigating to be done for anyone inclined.
If unsuitable for the room then sorry!
 
@DavidW sir, you are without a doubt in the right room.
 
Not sure, we don't moderate users in here.
But it sounds like a few mod flags are in order there.
 
4:11 PM
@DavidW custom flag for moderator with source links will do the job
 
@DavidW Flagging is the best thing to do. This room does handle user-level moderation tasks, but investigating plagiarism isn't something that "normal" users can do. That has to be left to diamond moderators. And the way you reach a diamond moderator is by raising a flag. If you've custom-flagged the post(s) and provided a thorough explanation of the problems you see, along with all supporting evidence, it'll get handled eventually.
I say "eventually" because mods get a lot of flags, so there's a pretty long backlog right now. Lack of action doesn't mean we're ignoring it.
 
Sunday afternoon, I'm going to catch some sun o/
 
@CodyGray You save them for the two new mods ;)
 
Yes... that's a good excuse!
 
@SurajRao I've largely done that - so I'm sure the posts I've found will be dealt with eventually. I was mainly it was mainly a comment that I'm pretty sure there's a pattern and plenty that I've missed and haven't flagged
 
4:16 PM
@DavidW Ideally, a mod will look through the history of the account(s) mentioned in your flag and catch other cases. But sometimes this step gets overlooked. If you suspect there's more, and you're able to take the time, I would encourage you to find it in the profiles and flag each instance. If not, at least mention in the flag that you think there are many instances so a mod will be sure to look more thoroughly.
 
Will do - I think the flags do cover the relevant info so I'm sure they will be dealt with when they've risen up in the queue
 
And when one of those lazy mods gets around to it!
 
And that!
 
4:28 PM
 
@JeanneDark The Snark may be emulated on the machine side, but it is perfectly real to the rest of us ;=)
 
4:47 PM
Is there anything that needs done beyond a comment and voting to close again on this question stackoverflow.com/q/69698743/15497888 ?
 
If they are reposting their question, you can close the new one as a duplicate of the older one
 
The older one is deleted.
 
I don't mind custom mod flags in such cases, but our handling time is not great, so it's probably just fine to deal with it yourself precisely as you've done.
 
Sounds good.
 
Custom flag is probably a good idea if the old, deleted question had answers. Otherwise, meh. The important thing is mostly to get the new one closed.
If it becomes a pattern from the same user, definitely mod flag. We can warn them more sternly than a comment.
 
4:51 PM
And downvotes for a question ban
 
Absolutely. But always downvotes for low-quality contributions. Goes without saying.
 
Got it. Will continue to do so in future.
 
5:06 PM
 
5:22 PM
Funny that both the OP and the R/A answerer on the last SmokeDetector request had such similar usernames.
 
Is this a suspicious upvote?
 
@AdrianMole It did go through FA queue with Looks OK stackoverflow.com/review/first-answers/30163355 perhaps the upvote occurred there?
 
Hmm. It also (just) went through the LA queue. It got a vote, there, too, but a different sort.
 
@AdrianMole Every upvote is suspicious ;) But on a more serious note, they don't gain important privileges through it. More suspicious are 2 upvotes so they can upvote.
@HenryEcker There are users who upvote as review action but then it shows as reviewed. "Looks ok" means no action was taken (because none was necessary).
 
Yes but you can upvote and click looks okay. Voting doesn't complete the review action. I frequently upvote good content and choose Looks Okay
 
5:36 PM
@HenryEcker As you are encouraged to do: Please make sure to vote accordingly.
 
Right. I was just responding to "There are users who upvote as review action but then it shows as reviewed." that Looks Okay does not preclude upvoting
 
I know. I'm just trying to agitate Jeanne, who doesn't seem to like those who take actions that result in the "Reviewed" status showing. ;-P
 
Ahh gotcha. I would like if there was more information about "Reviewed" especially in first questions I'll edit, comment, and close and it's all just blanket "Reviewed" when that could've just meant upvoting an existing comment.
 
@AdrianMole You won't succeed :)
 
6:18 PM
@HenryEcker they edited; what do you think? stackoverflow.com/questions/69698603/…
 
@desertnaut I've voted to reopen and retracted my down vote. That's a much better question and is answerable IMO. Thank you for the ping.
 
@HenryEcker np (I actually did the same)
 
@HenryEcker Yes, it's a pain in the rear to have to track down what actions a user performed for each "reviewed" result. It would be quite helpful if the review interface listed which actions were taken by the reviewer. However, that would be a larger leak of information about a user's up/down voting habits, even though it's already possible to correlate up/down voting and a review with high probability.
 
@Makyen That may be the reason why actions like "close" aren't shown. If some actions were shown, then seeing none of those, one could readily surmise that the action was a vote (up or down).
 
@AdrianMole Yes.
 
6:28 PM
But, as you say, moderators (and other review reviewers) can likely work out if/when an up or down vote was cast during the review.
 
@CodyGray yeah thanks, but you saw the attitude for yourself; I will post an answer tomorrow cc @eyllanesc @miken32
 
^ In a case such as that, is the bounty lost when the parent question is deleted? Or does it follow similar rules to reputation (the 60-day thing)?
 
@Makyen are up/down voting habits in some ways considered "protected information"?
 
@AdrianMole Yes. deletes a bunch of text saying about the same thing It's like they didn't figure the process of elimination existed. Admittedly, for non-moderators you can't check to see if the user performed some actions which can be erased from public view (e.g. posted and deleted a comment). OTOH, they could always up/down-vote and then reverse it after the review was done, which would leave no indications.
@HenryEcker Yes, even moderators can't see individual up/down-votes. We can see patterns.
 
@Makyen Interesting. So in some ways less public information about the review process protects this at the expense of transparency of the review process (in some ways)
 
6:40 PM
@HenryEcker Yes, in some ways. However, the information is determinable with a good degree of accuracy. I'm unsure if the lack of information as to what the user did for the "reviewed" is more harmful than a more explicit indication that the user up/down-voted (or that they did something other than up/down-voting).
 
6:55 PM
 
7:07 PM
@Turing85 No, I want to do X, How can I do that with Y or Z? But the poorly phrased.
 
@Turing85 Too broad.
OP really need to research what is done in java to create http api's
 
do you think this is salvageable with an edit?
the current content of the question is actually the answer, and the question is relegated to the title.
one could edit the question body into an answer (CW or the OP's actual answer), but then the question is a bare title
the question is this one
 
8:28 PM
 
 
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11:38 PM
@tink half a million views and scores in the hundreds suggest it's worth a historical lock instead, perhaps
 
11:56 PM
Agreed. I flagged it for a historical lock. Let's see what happens.
 

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