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12:02 AM
@RyanM That's funny. I've never known Advanced Flagging to use the VLQ flag on any post, and nor can I see it in the list of flags in its configuration UI. Did you do something to get that behaviour?
 
@AdrianMole using Advanced Flagging for a Not in English Answer, it will raise a VLQ
 
I use that when I flag a non-English normally but I still can't remember AF using it. But I can't be 100% certain without going through lots of flag history.
@Vickel OK - Yep! I found one.
 
used it an hour ago on Turkish content, VLQ flag was raised and it comments as Please write your answer in English, as Stack Overflow is an English-only site.
 
I take your Turkish post and raise you a Russian one.
 
^ try me :) I'm well translated :)
 
12:08 AM
I went to Translation once, but I got lost.
 
slipped to the right or the left?
 
@AdrianMole (calls OlegValter)
 
12:49 AM
@AdrianMole It might be in the newer versions - it doesn't autoupdate because Reasons.
 
 
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4:10 AM
@mickmackusa Nitpick: SO mods don't get inbox notifications of new Meta questions. This is different than all other SE site moderators. The exception is made because MSO is extremely active for a Meta site (its activity level is comparable to most of the other main SE sites). That said, I fully agree with you here, that a mod is expected to pay attention to Meta and be responsive to community concerns as well as criticisms of their moderation decisions.
@bad_coder I strongly feel that this is an unfair, false dichotomy, and not just because I write "shiny essays". We need mods who can be both friendly and good writers. (And definitely not bigots, but... I don't think that's at issue here with any of the nominees, current or withdrawn, or the existing mod crew.)
@Undo Just saw that you had intended to leave that one unlocked. I thought it was an oversight and locked it myself yesterday. I still stand by that... There is a dedicated Q&A now for discussing the issues brought up by that answers, so I see no reason why it needs to remain unlocked. Feel free to argue with me or override if you disagree, natch.
 
4:40 AM
@CodyGray it wasn't about you. Nor about any mod in particular. I was thinking about the many venomous and misguided pundits you read everywhere on the internet - not just on SE. If a candidate should fit into that category they wouldn't make a good mod regardless of their writing.
 
Ah, I guess I don't read much of that stuff.
 
@CodyGray here I could also say that a lot of mods (perhaps understandably) haven't posted much on meta in several years. I guess that doesn't make them bad mods.
 
I would clarify that not posting on Meta is not the same thing as not reading it.
Many times, the more talkative mods and even the veteran members from the larger community can handle doing the posting.
 
@CodyGray well, being an articulate writer can be a plus but it's not strictly necessary to being a mod. What is strictly necessary is being good at reading. If you're learning a language writing, reading, listening, are evaluated separately for a reason.
@CodyGray you can easily have a language learner who excels at listening but couldn't write much without having to look up every word in a dictionary.
 
I would agree that being an articulate writer is not necessary to being a mod. However, having a solid grasp of the site's language, allowing you to be able to understand everything others are saying, and the ability to explain things yourself when necessary is necessary. We have several mods on the team now who are non-native speakers and therefore shy away from extended discussions. That's fine; there's plenty of place for all types of people with all different strengths.
But some basic competence/fluency is needed in all areas, just in case.
I mean, consider you're the only mod around at a particular moment, and you need to send a private suspension message to someone who is being rude. Maybe you don't normally handle that kind of thing, preferring to leave it to the wordsmiths, but now you find yourself needing to do it. Are you able to do it? Imperfectly is OK, but it needs to be adequate.
(Note that I'm not trying to cast aspersions on any particular person's abilities. I'm speaking generally.)
 
4:49 AM
@CodyGray from what I understand plenty of those messages are canned most of the times.
 
Yeah, a good chunk of them are canned, but you need to be able to call out specific things that led to sending the message.
 
@CodyGray but let me give you an example: Machavity's nomination text. I like to think I can understand English, but his text was exceedingly demanding on the reader (I think the last sentence had churn rate in it, you realize most of the user base might have needed to look up the expression? I did.)
 
Uh, no, I would not expect that a good chunk of the user base would need to look that up.
 
@CodyGray I don't recall ever having seen "churn rate" anywhere before joining SE.
 
"Rate" should be a very familiar word to programmers, and "churn" is not particularly obscure. I hear it all the time with respect to project management, schedules, code changes, etc.
 
4:54 AM
I had never heard "churn" in fact I'd have to look it up individually.
 
Huh, OK. Well, I hear the word pretty often, and the phrase "churn rate" is a pretty common fixed phrase, so definitely not something I'd rate as requiring a high level of literacy.
 
It's not common... Understand that as you will. E.g. How many movies or songs do you recall mentioning churn rate? That's in specialized literature.
 
An online "Readability Test" tool, which implements the Flesch-Kincaid reading test, says that the phrase "churn rate" should be "easily understood by 7 to 8 year olds".
Yeah, specialized literature, for sure, but the kind of literature that software developers or other engineers and working professionals would likely be familiar with.
 
@CodyGray goes to show the test is obviously wrong.
 
Heh
 
4:58 AM
@CodyGray yeah like, if you got into project management or work at an English speaking company. Otherwise, unheard of.
 
For what it's worth, Machavity's entire questionnaire is scored by the test as "easily understood by 14 to 15 year olds". (Note that this includes the questions themselves.)
 
@CodyGray I don't recall specifics but the text was dense (if nothing else because of the amount of references it needed a lot more reading the just the text itself.)
 
Makyen's from the same year is rated as "easily understood by 17 or 18 year olds". Mine from a previous year is, somewhat surprisingly to me, rated the same as Machavity's (15-16 year olds), despite the very first word being the admittedly somewhat obscure "denizens".
 
But the real issue, it had a sort of native speaker touch to it. You're not going to find someone writing like that if English is their second language.
 
I certainly understand that point, yes. I do not think "native speaker" is a requirement. Although I will admit my own bias in preferring someone who is extremely proficient in English. There are many, many such folks among us, though, who meet or exceed this standard, despite not being native speakers.
 
5:02 AM
You understand that proficient and native are different things? Native is Machavity's text, proficient would be Makyen's text. That's the difference.
 
Regarding your first sentence, yes; I explicitly said as much. Regarding your second sentence: huh? Both are native speakers, and the reading test I just tried applying suggested that Makyen's was less readable than Machavity's. So I guess I'm just not seeing the distinction you're drawing between them.
 
@CodyGray well, then I'm surprised. But there is such a thing as straight forward English and contrived. Some of the characteristic that make for native, are contrived to an extent and they can't be imitated consistently by a non native.
@CodyGray Makyen's text was a lot more readable, there's no doubt about that.
 
Fascinating. I'd have to go back and re-read them myself, instead of just relying on a tool.
For what it's worth, I often worry that my writing is not very accessible/readable to someone with limited English fluency. But I don't know what to do about it, because (A) I think it's important to write with clarity and expression; and (B) a lot of it is just how I write; it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to change.
 
FWIW your sentence structure is "formal" (?) enough translation software does a fairly good job with it.
 
@CodyGray well, if I had to make a point it's that a non-native can't really compete in English writing with a native speaker. I sometimes read the native speakers and think "dang, that's really smart wording/phrasing" but afterwards they don't back it up with clear thinking or personal qualities.
And that's what I think choosing a mod should be all about, their personal qualities.
 
5:13 AM
@HenryEcker You have first-hand experience? You had not appeared to me to be someone who would need to use translation software.
 
I have mixed language background. A little bit of a lot, which means a fair amount of nothing. I have on occasion needed to double check a few of your turns of phrase.
 
I see. Well, sometimes I intentionally play with language, especially in chat, using improper English as a way of humor or emphasis. I'm sure that is confusing. I try not to do that in first-class contributions.
Mixed language background is often helpful, though, as you're broadly familiar with root/stem words and can thus intuit meanings, even if you don't know the specific word that was used.
 
@CodyGray only works if your in the same word formation family.
 
@CodyGray It's super helpful. There are more than a few languages I work with and around. I don't really have any issue in general communicating in English, it's the language I use primarily. I just don't have all of the social context or cultural references that may come up in regular conversation.
 
@CodyGray your English is clear, sophisticated. But the issue is I dislike the idea of a perfectly good candidate being frowned upon because of lack in writing ability, when the core competence needed is reading.
@HenryEcker they have a term I dislike "dog whistle". So those typical native speaker nuances can work as a "vote for me" cue. And Cody himself (and another mod here) made the argument about proficiency (but that should be circumstanced to reading, for fairness.)
 
5:25 AM
@HenryEcker What is your native language(s), if you don't mind me asking?
@bad_coder To be clear: I think there is a very big difference between basic fluency and excellent writing skills. I put a great deal of emphasis on the latter, personally, but I do not think it should be a requirement, nor do I expect everyone else to put the same level of emphasis on this. However, I do pretty fundamentally believe that the former (basic fluency) is (or should be) a requirement for mod privileges.
@bad_coder That's... that's not what a "dog whistle" is...
And that's not what native speakers of the language are doing.
Not any more than someone who is a native German speaker and writing English in translation will tend to write German-sounding constructs. Those aren't dog-whistles to their German cohorts to vote for them. That's just how they write/speak!
 
@CodyGray ok, so how do you rate my writing?
 
I think your writing is fine. You wouldn't get any "bonus points" from me for having exceptionally good communication/writing skills, but you certainly wouldn't get any "deductions", as you have no difficulty communicating your point, and thus would have no trouble doing it as a moderator.
 
@CodyGray so can you name a dozen non-native mods that get that exceptionally good communication/writing skills rating?
 
I am not sure that I could do it with elected mods, but I could certainly do it with active users.
I don't really want to name names, though.
 
@CodyGray I'm saying this not to name anyone in particular, but that you'd probably have a harder time than you imagine in finding non-native mods with that "excellent level" as you say.
 
5:33 AM
There are probably a dozen people who regularly participate here and/or on Meta who, if I had no prior knowledge of their backgrounds, would easily fool me into thinking they were native speakers just based on reading their contributions.
 
@CodyGray I suppose my "mother tongue" Pennsylvania Dutch. Which is absolutely the worst because it's not English not German and not Dutch and spoken by almost no one. XD But then we traveled a lot which had me in more than a few non-English speaking countries a few years at a time in an inconsistent rotation.
 
@Juraj But... they checked the wiring! :-)
 
@CodyGray but that's the point, you'll hardly find any non-native mod that could convincingly pass as a native speaker.
 
@Juraj In all seriousness... that looks like a programming question, and we shouldn't determine the topicality of questions based on what the answers are. If the problem turned out to be a wiring issue, not a source-code issue, then that doesn't make the question off-topic, any more than if the issue turned out to be a network outage. You just post an answer to it saying what the issue was.
@bad_coder I'm not sure what "point" that is making. But OK, I'll play along. I would rate Martijn and Baum's communication skills as "excellent", easily comparable to that of a native speaker. Likewise for BoltClock, although they aren't around communicating as much these days, so you may be unfamiliar with their excellent grasp of the English language.
 
I believe arduino.stackexchange.com handles both issues. But it does currently look like a programming logic issue to me. Those ardunioC function definitions are a bit off.
 
5:37 AM
If Juraj (who I just noticed yesterday is a mod on Arduino.SE... congrats on winning that election!) wants it, I'd be willing to knock it over there. But I'm uncomfortable closing a question on SO on the basis of either that it would be on-topic elsewhere or that its solution ended up not being a programming problem.
 
@CodyGray I haven't read Baum's writing. But Martjin has been living in the UK for years, he's from the Netherlands which geographically is really close (they can probably listen to English radio and even watch the BBC), etc... But even so, he doesn't have the "native touch" in his writing, at least in a way I'd say this guy is unmistakably a native English speaker.
 
This is why I don't like giving examples... It's easy to nitpick each and every one for some reason or another.
 
@CodyGray anyway, your statement about "excellence" seems slightly biased. I can think of lots of good mods who do well enough with average English skills.
 
We weren't talking about "good mods"; we were talking about people with excellent English skills.
Jean-Francois is an excellent mod, in my book, even though I would not give him a very high sub-score in an "English" category.
So please don't move the goal posts!
 
@CodyGray and so I reiterate, average or even mediocre English skills are enough for a mod to get the job done.
 
5:41 AM
I am confident that I've made precisely that same point at least twice now.
 
Cody, you destroyed my heart and soul tonight :)
 
A good night for me, then! How so, specifically?
 
I slept only 4 hours because of you :(
 
@CodyGray you notice that you raise the bar pretty high. Here comes the problem with adjectives: good writers + solid grasp + I will admit my own bias in preferring someone who is extremely proficient in English ... who meet or exceed this standard
good, extremely, solid, proficient, meet or exceed...
just say: enough to function and get the job done.
 
But we have an unfinished business 😌 i know how to remove that duplicate things without damaging the essence and main theme of the question.
 
5:48 AM
@bad_coder I raise the bar high on everything.
 
@CodyGray the problem in raising the bar in language abilities is it precludes candidates based on a skill that can be secondary - and that's not fair.
well, time for bed o/ good morning everyone.
@CodyGray e.g. Glorfindel is mod on the Spanish language site, and he said himself he's just beginning to learn the language.
 
@bad_coder There are many, many things that could possibly preclude candidates. I do not fool myself into thinking that anyone and everyone would be qualified for the job. So, I do not really see the distinction with respect to language abilities, emotional maturity, time availability, etc., etc.
 
@CodyGray well, then next year I hope we get a bunch of excellent candidates and I'll read you saying: Your English isn't good, but you'd make an excellent mod.
 
Similar to what I said above about Jean-Francois? :-)
 
Yeah, but JFR's English is still pretty good, I mean candidates who have some real difficulty with it.
 
6:02 AM
Anyway, everyone has their own criteria, weighted in the way they think is most important, when voting in mod elections, and that's just fine.
@bad_coder I would not vote for a moderator candidate who had "some real difficulty" with the site's language. I'm sorry if you find that offensive, but I think it's reasonable.
Now, we can debate over what qualifies as "some real difficulty", I suppose, but that's ultimately got to be an individual decision on the part of the voter.
 
That would be an interesting debate and analyses. (I'd say sufficient would be forming coherent sentences in simple English and adequately conveying fundamental ideas with no need to over elaborate.)
 
6:32 AM
Cody, how long do you plan to stay here?
 
@manro Define "here"
 
@CodyGray I made an edit of that post specially for you ;) It is a matter of principle now.
 
6:54 AM
@manro What post? The one I rolled back? You haven't edited it.
 
@CodyGray yes, i need 3 min for finish, wait pleasee...
 
I see. Okay, no problem. Maybe in the future, you shouldn't announce that you have done something until you have finished it.
 
It looks like you edited an answer into the question.
 
And changed a little. This question - about encoding and that about mojibake
 
7:04 AM
@manro I do not understand why you have edited an answer into the question. Answers don't belong in questions.
 
@CodyGray have deleted
Should i stop? But these questions aren't same.
 
I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish. Are you saying that your question there is different from the question it was marked as a duplicate of?
So you are trying to get your question re-opened by clarifying the difference?
 
Yes, i want to throw out this duplicate plate. How do you think?
 
OK, now I am better understanding your goals.
I would not be the right person to make that decision. I do not know anything about R, so I cannot judge whether a question is a duplicate. If Ian Campbell is around, he might be willing to take a look and give some feedback on your question.
 
He is there
 
7:14 AM
Yes... but it's up to him whether he wants to help or not. He might be busy.
 
Ian have been going away when only heard about me ;)
 
Perhaps people find it annoying how much you ask about your questions?
 
yes, i know. But i want to correct my mistakes
 
So, i'm going to add some answers, see later ;)
 
7:24 AM
@karel Sorry, after I clicked on the link, I forgot what you had requested, so I just did all the things.
 
@CodyGray it is a very basic wiring problem. a 'typo'
 
^ serial spammer
 
7:39 AM
@JeanneDark I did mention that on Charcoal but there's apparently no-one there
 
@DavidBuck All the cool people are here, of course!
 
@CodyGray Where else would one go on a Friday night/Saturday?
 
@DavidBuck Clearly, I've no idea.
If I'm not working, I'm here.
 
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12:38 PM
Helloo)
How are your free days?
 
 
Is it possible to do a on a non-negatively scored answer?
 
@AnnZen You don't need to make a request for NAA flags, since one is sufficient. Are you out of flags by any chance?
 
@cigien I'm not out of flags.
 
Then just NAA flag it, and it'll get handled. Additional NAA flags won't make a difference.
 
@cigien Thanks, I didn't know that. But am I tripping, or is it that 5 out of the 6 answers on that question should be flagged as NAA?
 
1:37 PM
That question should be closed
 
@AnnZen Yeah, several answers are NAA. It's somewhat the question's fault though, so I would just close the question instead of raising multiple NAA flags. I'm also not seeing anything worth preserving, so the post could be deleted when it's eligible as well.
 
several of the links are dead
Actually, all except the link in the one answer with code are dead
 
@AnnZen An answer needs to have a score of 0 or less to be eligible for a del-pls. ref.
 
@cigien oh, okay
@cigien well, i just gained multiple helpful NAA flags :D
 
In this case, where the links are dead, those NAA answers are actively harmful, so I would raise NAA flags on them. Otherwise, I would agree with @cigien, it serves nothing to waste time reviewing and deleting link-only answers when the question is the main issue.
 
2:06 PM
The only thing worse than a link-only answer is a dead-link-only answer?
 
Yes, that's much, much worse.
I am not overly fussed about old link-only answers. I do not think it is productive to go around seeking them out, flagging them, or deleting them.
 
2:29 PM
@DavidBuck Since you're here, maybe you can re-review this answer you recently reviewed. It seems to have been much improved. Not sure if you downvoted it, but you might consider removing that if so.
 
@CodyGray Thanks for the heads up. It is certainly a great deal better than it was when I downvoted it.
 
@DavidBuck Yup, that's what I thought. I was extremely impressed by the fix-up job that they did, otherwise I wouldn't even have bothered to mention it.
I know someone people follow or otherwise keep track of all the posts they've reviewed so they can go back and check on them, but... yeah, that's craziness. I don't do that. :-)
 
@CodyGray I do try to look at my post flags (if I remember) for ones that were helpful but aren't showing as deleted, but only if they've changed in the last day or so. It's at least as likely that a non-deleted answer needs reflagging as NAA than it is that it's been greatly improved.
 
@DavidBuck It... shouldn't ever need reflagging... I don't think. If you flagged as NAA (rather than VLQ), it won't get bumped out of the queue by an edit. And in the event that it got deleted through review but undeleted by the OP, an automatic mod flag will be raised, so we'll be able to confirm that it has actually been fixed. Otherwise, we'll re-delete. (That's what happened in this case, actually. Except, miracle of miracles, it had been transformed into a good answer.)
 
@CodyGray That may have changed? I've had several NAA flags marked helpful by someone editing a post in an LQP review (but leaving it as a well-formatted but still NAA post), but not for quite a few months.
 
2:44 PM
@CodyGray You are thinking edited by OP which doesn't clear NAA flag. It can be edited out of review.
 
Well, the review queues present new surprises and educational opportunities for me all the time.
 
3:07 PM
@CodyGray Any edit (after the grace period, it seems) marks a VLQ flag helpful. An edit doesn't affect NAA flags unless a reviewer in the LQ queue specifically chooses the Edit option. It happens from time to time and so I also have to (rarely) post reflag-requests. This was always the case, I think. It's at least not new behavior.
I guess the logic behind it is not so much the edit itself marking the NAA flag helpful, but that the review action counts as 1) validating the usefulness of the flag and 2) that the problems with the post were corrected and it's no longer low quality. I myself have never seen such an edit turn an NAA into an answer, though.
 
An edit by the OP marks a VLQ flag helpful? That's... dumb.
 
In case of answers, yes. I never flagged a question as VLQ so I don't know about them. I even once saw an old MSO post about possible flag abuse, but it was dismissed and not being a problem. And I guess you'd have to be very desperate to abuse it.
 
@JeanneDark Like maybe running in a mod election? ;-)
 
@CodyGray No. An edit by anyone marks the flag as helpful
 
The abuse could be for a user with at least 2k reputation to flag an answer as VLQ and then edit it, thereby marking their flag helpful.
 
3:12 PM
@eyllanesc needs a reject edit
 
@Dharman I realize that. My question was whether an edit by the OP would do so. That seems like it should be a specific exception. Obviously, the OP does not know how to create a high-quality post, so an edit by them should not clear a pending VLQ flag.
 
I think the idea is that VLQ flags are used either with comments asking to make changes or on posts that look like OP accidently made a mistake
Any user with edit privileges should be able to fix such post and mark it as helpful
 
@CodyGray I only flag link-only and non-English answers as VLQ and it happens from time to time that the author improves them.
 
3:52 PM
@CodyGray Nah, no strong feelings either direction.
 
4:22 PM
Is there a preference on SE for the American standard "practice" over the UK standard "practise" or is this no improvement? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/30156115
 
No improvement.
Poster's choice for US vs UK spellings
And that would be too minor anyway...
 
Tis what I thought. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't something I was missing.
 
4:44 PM
Guten Abend ;)
 
 
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6:41 PM
@KenWhite That's off topic anyways.
 
@Braiam Yeah, I should have CV'd as not programming related. Realized it just after I clicked the button. In either case, it's still a non-effort homework question, so I wouldn't want to refer it to another site.
 
We really need a basic "this is not a practical programming question".
 
@Braiam People would abuse this based on "practical" all the time. You could close pretty much everything in with that.
 
@manro guten Morgen
 
7:38 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Three different close-reasons on that question: "needs more focus", "needs more details" and "needs debugging information" x)
NOOOOOOO! My highest-voted answer had exactly twice as many votes as my second-highest. Now, someone just upvoted my second-highest answer. Life is miserable 😪
 
@tink Ich glaube dir nicht :)
 
@manro can't help that. :D Saturday morning, 8:45 ;) (Tja, da kann ich nichts machen; hier ist's Samstag Morgen, viertel vor neun)
 
@tink Was macht ein Deutschmann so weit weg von Vaterland?!
 
@manro work, live, ... :D ... where are you from? Your German sounds somewhat odd.
 
@tink haha. I'm not a native)
@tink How did you detect it?
It is interesting
 
7:53 PM
@manro "Deutschmann" is not really a word used.
 
@manro "Deutschmann" no one would say that. And "von Vaterland" would have to be "vom Vaterland", but even then, while grammatically correct, the wording would be odd.
 
@tink you are in UTC-11? Is that correct?
 
@Turing85 + :)
 
@tink I am confused. Does the "+" mean "yes" or "no, its UTC+11"?
 
@Turing85 ha-ha, native Germans use really longer (with length like a train) words xD Das ist echt schrecklich )
 
7:59 PM
@BaummitAugen Well, people are already "abusing" it. Better to have a good close reason that several kinda meh.
 
@Turing85 UTC+11
 
@tink But articles is a real problem (i always mess and check in the Dic).
 
@tink now I am even more confused. shouldn't it be Sunday and around 7 am at your place?
 
@manro well ... Germans aren't the only ones with gendered nouns ... ;) Quite a few indo-european languages have those. And English used to ... guess they just got lazy 500-600 years before the others
Oh shucks ... you're right, it is Sunday morning. @Turing85
Must be lack of caffeine
 
@tink but here is "Maedchen" has a neutral genus)
And other funny examples
Somewhere i had a textbook with exceptions
@tink tink, i will practice with you. I hope, that you saved knowledge of "Muttersprache" ;)
I'm proud, that i already talk better than Tuerks xD
 
8:13 PM
@manro - I have preserved my native tongue.
@ThierryLathuille why the rush in deleting it? It will go away with the closed question in 10 days anyway?
And now the author culled it ahead of time - problem gone.
 
@tink The Man!
 
In fact I keep helping people w/ German on hinative and a couple of other language dedicated websites, too :D
 
8:31 PM
@tink and can help here now too ;) i don't bother you a lot
 
LOL
 
@tink i'm watching bellator 269, soon i return
 
8:51 PM
Did you see this KO from Fedor, guys? wow
anybody here watch mma?
 
9:04 PM
@manro While a limited amount of off-topic discussion is acceptable, reasonable, and even desired, here in SOCVR, the general consensus is that significant amounts of off-topic discussion should be taken into other rooms. Most commonly, we direct people to The Ministry of Silly Hats.
 
@Makyen sorry, i never heard about that group
i waited for Ian Campbell? here
 
@manro Please see "Where can I continue off-topic discussions?" in the FAQ. I, again, strongly suggest that you read the FAQ.
 
10:03 PM
 
10:14 PM
What is the correct close reason here stackoverflow.com/questions/69692382/…
 
@MichaelSzczesny general computing
or a custom off-topic reason
 
@Dharman - Thanks.
 
@HenryEcker I thought so...
 
10:30 PM
@miken32 I did too but I'm out of CV for today.
 
11:17 PM
What's the stance on self-promotion of an open source tool without directly answering a question? :)
 
spam?
 
Well ... they freely admit that it's their tool ... I'm not sure, hence the question
Then again: reanimating a six year old post for the purpose of self-promotion doesn't look quite kosher.
 
indeed it does not
 
Regardless of that answer's merits, the question is definitely off-topic.
 
11:21 PM
Isn't the question part of the problem?
 
Probably just a newbie-error, but is this a possible "spam seed"?
 
@RyanM good call
 
@AdrianMole I can't tell. VLQ at best and NAA at worst? Also is that question on topic?
 
@HenryEcker Not sure there's much of a 'gap' between VLQ and NAA. ;)
 
@RyanM Heh. True, needs focus. The top-ranked answer is a programmatic solution, though ;)
 
11:31 PM
But this is link-only NAA, is not?
 
@AdrianMole Did you follow the SO link? stackoverflow.com/a/69692654/15497888
 
Links to two different place on SO.
 
Right it appears to be a bunch of answers that point to a central one stackoverflow.com/a/69692673/15497888
I'm confused.
 
Answers on Stack Overflow should not leave the reader confused. I think.
 

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