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11:00 PM
@CodyGray If the new question is now on good standing, why would anyone care if it's totally different of what is was originally? We got better content now, no? We should be happy instead.
 
@Braiam Well, we have something closed as a duplicate of something that it's not a duplicate of, because the question was changed. I don't see how this is advantageous to anyone. Why not just ask a new question?
 
@CodyGray Well, let the reopen reviewers determine that. If it's too much of an issue, we could delete it after the fact.
 
I do not understand. Should the reopen reviewers be determining whether the edit is too substantial and completely changes the essence of the question?
 
No, we should let reviewers determine if the question now should be answered. We got what we always desired. The question started closed and we determine if it should accept answers.
Remember, you vote to reopen if you believe that the question is appropriated for the site in their current form.
 
So you just think everyone should have only one question, and then just keep editing it to say different things?
 
11:04 PM
No, I think that if your question is closed, whatever you do to reopen it is fair game.
We don't want questions closed, we want good questions. If the closing and posterior edit get us a good question, so be it.
 
@Braiam It's not, though.
If you have to change the question to something completely different in order to get it reopened, then you should just delete the question and ask a new one.
 
@CodyGray Where it says so?
@CodyGray And how that benefit us?
 
Literally everywhere.
 
I'm sure you can pull a quote from the help center then easily.
Remember help center overrides whatever opinion meta has.
 
Not interested in playing this game today, maybe some other time.
Edits that change a question into a completely new question have been disallowed since the beginning.
 
11:07 PM
> Stack Exchange is collaboratively built, maintained, and moderated by the community. If you see a question and you disagree with the stated reason of its closure, you should first try to edit the question to improve it as much as possible.
 
You can't ask a question about Python, get it closed, edit it into a C++ question, and then argue some kind of, "well, I improved the question!" nonsense.
 
I don't know man, the help center doesn't agree with you.
 
That's not an "improvement".
 
New question better than old question. That's an improvement.
 
The Help Center isn't intended to spell out these kinds of details. It's supposed to give quick guidance for common issues that users have.
 
11:09 PM
Well, ask to the uber meta :)
 
It is not a substitute for actually understanding how the platform is meant to work.
 
I have an adjacent question. Since the post was rolled back to revision 3 will that invalidate the revision 4 that was added to the reopen queue?
 
@HenryEcker Apparently not... But I kicked it manually from the review queue.
 
@CodyGray Okay thank you. I was concerned we'd have a confusing review in reopen queue for reviewers to parse out.
 
@HenryEcker Confusing reviews! Wouldn't that be a hoot? Yeah, no, that'd be horrible, we couldn't have a situation like that! :-)
 
11:12 PM
... and what i should to do with a new question...?
 
Ask a new question.
 
but if it will be again with downvotes - i ll achieve an eternal ban(((
 
Don't write one that will be downvoted
 
was it nice, you saw it...
?
 
I have no idea
I am not the one who makes the official decision on all questions
 
11:15 PM
@manro you have earned some reputation by answering, learn from the questions you were able to answer. WHY: because they were clear, concise problems, you could response to. That's the Questions you want to ask!
 
@Vickel yes, i have learned some new things. I want to ask about glyphs in waffle package, but it is really dangerous. Hah, this question will be live in my drawer ;)
Sorry, that you had a little conflict because of me
 
I do not understand how anything here is "dangerous".
 
No more bans, Cody, no more bans... I worked hard some weeks to improve my reputation. And destroy it in the moment, oh no.
It is tricky for me. But i try my best.
 
Is an answer that should have been a flag as duplicate VLQ or NAA? stackoverflow.com/a/69681879/15497888
 
Bans get applied to people who repeatedly contribute low-quality content
@HenryEcker I cannot possibly imagine bringing myself to care whether a VLQ or NAA flag is used. But I guess I'd say "NAA", since that's just link-only.
 
11:36 PM
@CodyGray Understood. I wasn't sure if one was more effective than the other in this case.
 
@HenryEcker Mods treat them the same, and I believe that the review queues do, too, but you'd really need to double-check that with someone who knows/cares more about how review queues work than I do.
My preferred solution, obviously, is to convert the answer to a comment, close the question as a duplicate, and leave an explanatory comment under the deleted answer like yours.
Unfortunately, that requires diamond privileges, so it isn't always practical. A "good enough" case is to get the answer deleted and have someone cast a close vote.
 
@CodyGray My comment, flag, downvote, and close vote was going to be my approach. The rolling the answer into the comment is neat tech. It also propagated the timestamp and user information from the post. I hadn't seen that before.
You were too quick for me though. I only got the comment done. XD
 
Yup. Mods have a button to convert an answer into a comment, which preserves everything else. We even have a checkbox to move any existing comments to the post along with it.
It'd be nice in many ways if that feature were able to be used by more people than just mods. But... you know what they say about having nice things.
 
@CodyGray The difference is how they handle edits: VLQ is marked helpful on any edit, while NAA is only marked helpful if the edit is by a LQA reviewer.
 
I am glad there are people who relish this type of trivia.
 
@RyanM Brilliant! I appreciate the clarification. So in this case either would have worked since deletion should've been the recommendation from review?
 
@HenryEcker Yep! I have a userscript (AdvancedFlagging) that prefers VLQ for link-only answers, because they are often edited after leaving a comment. It also follows the answer, though, so you can follow up with an NAA flag if the edit doesn't fix it.
 
@RyanM Be careful of them, they say all kinds of things!
@RyanM In this case, though... you don't want an edit.
 
But NAA is also fine.
@CodyGray ...yeah, that's a good point, actually.
 
This type of link-only answer cannot be fixed by even the best edit in the world, because it should have been a dupe-vote instead.
Yeah, I know you know. :-)
 
11:52 PM
I do know, but hadn't thought about that :-)
 
Link only answers which link to offsite resources are often edited after a comment to include additional information. In these cases favour the VLQ flag (typically). However links to internal threads which should be flag/closure votes instead are more correctly NAA since there are existing mechanisms to support linking internally and you would not want an individual to copy an existing answer into their answer. Did I understand all that?
 
@HenryEcker Yes, that seems an adequate summary.
 
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