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12:22 AM
I raised a link only answer VLQ flag, which was considered helpful, now the OP edited the answer. I cannot retract the flag anymore, what is the right action? Leave a comment? UV?
 
12:46 AM
@Vickel Click on the flag link under the answer and then click the blue Retract flag button in the lower left corner.
 
@karel flag was considered helpful in the meantime, hence my question
 
You can't retract a flag after it was already considered helpful.
 
@karel I cannot retract the flag anymore, what is the right action? Leave a comment? UV?
 
When I asked a moderator several years ago the answer I received was to ignore it because it isn't important.
 
@karel oh ok
 
1:18 AM
@Vickel There is no need to do anything: it was marked helpful by the edit to fix the problem that you raised, and so it's no longer considered by the system to be an active problem with the post. In other words: the problem has been solved, and flags documenting the previously existing problem have been marked helpful and dismissed.
 
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4:28 AM
@Braiam That term is inclusive of, for example, articles.
 
 
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7:08 AM
@DaImTo I'm not sure what MCVE would help here: it's not a debugging question. It's asking how to do this with OAuth 2.0 for a Microsoft account. Presumably the answer would describe the calls one would make to the relevant API, which doesn't require any example code from the OP.
 
7:59 AM
Is this question suitable for SO?
 
@JeanneDark Nope, seeking recommendations for such a network/framework
 
thanks
 
8:21 AM
^ looks very spammy. Is it spam?
 
Yes IMHO.. the text is just copy paste from link and doesn't address the question
 
thank you
 
 
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9:33 AM
Is this question typo (NATO)? The issue is that the length of a string is never negative. It at least doesn't seem very helpful (title, very low number of views)
 
@JeanneDark I would tend to agree yes
 
thanks
 
 
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10:48 AM
@Dharman translated, but too broad
 
 
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11:58 AM
Morning
 
12:25 PM
This question has a strange edit history. I guess the text about reputation was inserted because it was still too much code. Is the question suitable or does it need more details or clarity?
 
@JeanneDark I fail to understand the question. It starts off with "Is this is correct way to check?" and I'm not sure how that should be answered. It's not a specific problem. Then there is a big code block. I assume not all of it is needed. After the code block it says "At the moment, the property is undefined for select.change()." but I cannot find anything related to that in the code block.
Then it mentions "an update to the library" but no idea what library it references.
 
@VLAZ That very last part about select.change()seems to have been added by the editor
Thanks!
 
@JeanneDark That's even more confusing, in that case. I hadn't checked the edit yet, I just opened it.
Yeah, terrible edit... I assumed just the last paragraph was added as padding by the editor.
 
The edit was even approved by the OP.
 
I'd also investigate possible sockpuppeting
 
12:37 PM
@Calculuswhiz Might not mean much. Some new users seem to accept any edit that was made even bad ones. I think getting the choice for whether they want to accept the edit is surprising (can't blame them), so they just accept.
 
Fair enough.
 
@Calculuswhiz Just to be clear, that doesn't mean it's actually what happened. Just something I've noticed and it's a fitting explanation here. It might also be a sockpuppeting.
 
@VLAZ If indeed that's what's going on, would that be Sockpuppeting to get Edit-reputation?
 
the patterns of the users look suspiciously similar - but then again, it's not our job to lynch users...
 
I also suspected possible sockpuppetry, especially since the question received an upvote. But both users don't have enough reputation to upvote nor other visible, suspicious interactions.
 
12:44 PM
@Calculuswhiz Perhaps. It might also be that OP forgot to log out of the second account when making the edit. It's not a particularly good attempt at sockpuppetting, assuming it even is. It's also plausible that it's two new users.
 
maybe this is just how new Python devs look like :) not worth a mod flag, unfortunately, I can't see a case to be made
 
@JeanneDark There are some rather strange upvotes I've seen on new users' questions. Two such suspicious accounts were recently nuked. (the ones I almost wrote a flag for but mods handled it before that). But I've seen others. But they've not been consistent enough. A lot of times it's on only a single question from a new user and not all of theirs. Or the user doesn't post any other questions.
It might be voting fraud trying to mask their tracks. Or might just be somebody who wants to be welcoming to new users. Or maybe coworkers just upvoted a Q that their team struggled with and one person posted.
 
@VLAZ Yes, I have mod-flagged several suspicious activity in the past. It was usually accounts with even lower rep than me (but not new) who created sockpuppets. In these cases, there was at least a strange upvoting pattern or another, clearer connection (sockpuppets answer question so they can accept it etc.).
Just yesterday I saw a maybe-answer by a new user. Then another user posted the same answer a few min later (just an extra exclamation mark after "thanks") and received 2 upvotes. Now the earlier answer is deleted.
But I also see enough terrible content receive upvotes so one upvote is usually not suspicious in itself. Eg. I suspect some robo-reviewers upvoted as a review action (because then it merely showed "Reviewed" and not "No action needed") etc. Then there are pity upvotes, or maybe Tim found his keys and pressed the upvote button by accident etc.
 
1:04 PM
All upvotes are suspicious
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@Dharman I think they should be accompanied by a comment. Perhaps people upvote because they don't understand the question.
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@bad_coder Yes. Per the about page, that user appears to be one of the founders. I've raised a custom flag.
 
1:15 PM
@Spevacus I don't click the links with my current setup. I'm on my lunch break without much time to look into things.
 
@bad_coder Probably best that you don't. Don't worry 'bout it :) Enjoy your lunch!
 
@bad_coder Looks like a comment. waves magic wand Now it is one
 
@bad_coder comment. Mod nuked
 
1:28 PM
LOL :D hahaha
 
Image only answers are NAA right?
 
This is new one for me. Instead of a screen shot, we get a screen video ;)
 
@SurajRao Yep
 
@NathanOliver ah I suppose we need to edit the autocomment to include video?
 
@Braiam I have only used user scripts for the last 1.5 years or so but experienced a new review item each page load for many many years
Ack, a new/low rep user has the same avatar as Alohci and it really threw me
 
2:11 PM
Are the post times of this and this sufficiently close (~ 2 minutes) to rule out copying? (The codes are identical to my eyes.)
... (Note that, in the second one, no code formatting was originally applied.)
 
@AdrianMole could be a case of meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/406006/… but no way to be certain...
 
is it likely for 2 people to come up with the exact same solution, even down to spacing/tab usage, for the given question?
not familiar with that language
 
happens if the code is part of the question.. not so in this case. I am not familiar with this language either
 
Not sure 2 min rule out copying, especially since the answer otherwise just contains some generic "I think something like that should work:" text (although shouldn't have been necessary with unformatted code). Maybe custom flag because even if it was not copied, it is just a duplicate answer?
 
@AdrianMole Generally, you would review other contribution from these users. If there's a suspicion that they do it more frequently then flag for a mod intervention. If it's just this one case, it might be just a coincidence.
 
2:21 PM
not a new user, only answer, but they have a question from today that seems fine. They even corrected it
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@JeanneDark If it wasn't copied, then it's not a duplicate answer, i.e. answers posted close to each other are not considered duplicates. There's not an exact time frame, but an hour or two at least needs to pass, if not longer.
 
... I havent come across anything like that in meta. Do you have a link?
 
I think, in this case, the benefit of the doubt is probably the correct option.
 
@cigien I mean it contains the exact same info minus any explanation whatsoever. So it adds nothing new and should be deleted, but this needn't involve any negative consequences for the user (like downvotes etc.).
 
... but the lack of code fences made me a wee bit suspicious - that hints, to me at least, that there was some copy/pasta going on.
 
2:33 PM
Where is the point in having several answers to a question that say exactly the same? It's not really furthering SO's goal of creating a library of programming knowledge.
 
I agree. I've posted near-identical answers, on occasion. I delete mine once I see that an earlier answer covers everything I suggested.
 
@SurajRao From the transcript fwiw. I'm not sure I've seen a meta on this, but I'll try to find one. Again, this assumes that there was no plagiarism, but just repeated answers posted at roughly the same time. cc @JeanneDark Agreed, they're not useful, but deleting them is not really fair, if it was posted in good faith.
 
@cigien ah thanks
 
@cigien I don't understand. Misleading users who go to SO to find solutions to their problems and are misled by the number of answers a question is supposed to have, because most of them say exactly the same, yet are kept around like in a typical forum, is fair?
 
Hmm...the mods comment refers to this one. This doesn't look like copy pasta repeat although conceptually it's the same answer seconds apart...
 
2:46 PM
Relevant: Why and how are some answers deleted? "exact duplicates of other answers"
 
@JeanneDark It's not ideal, I agree. But let's say I spend 10 min writing an answer, post it, and discover that another user posted what is essentially the same answer 2 min before me. I would not be pleased if my answer was deleted by someone else. (I mean I don't personally care, but it's understandable if a user were to be upset by that). I dislike repeated answers as much as the next curator, but I'm really not sure how to deal with that.
I'll note that deleting an answer that covers the same ground but posted a few mins later, incentivizes FGIW as well, so that's also an issue. I think on a platform like this, a few repeated answers are just the cost we pay.
 
burn it with fire
 
🚽
 
@cigien We are not discussing answers that are "essentially the same". We are discussing two answers containing the identical code block, but the newer one contains no other useful info than that code block. And in your example, you could still edit your answer to turn it into something different enough.
 
argh, suggested edit limit
 
@JeanneDark Even if the answers are identical, I don't think they'd be deleted. Of course, as the size of the answer increases, it becomes increasingly likely that one of them copied from the other. But in cases of one-liners where multiple users could reasonably come up with the same solution, I don't think the slightly later answer would be deleted even if it contained no useful info other than a code block that's in the other answer.
 
@cigien Let's agree to disagree then. For me, the usefulness of SO for its users and visitors is most important.
 
I could be wrong, of course, so if a mod would actually delete such an answer, I'd love to know. There's quite a few such answers I would like to have deleted.
 
why edit something that isn't useful
(assuming the state it ends up in also isn't useful)
 
3:08 PM
@JeanneDark We could delete it as is a low quality answer. Answers should contain meat, not just barebones code.
 
@Braiam I agree, in principle. But since people think it was a good faith attempt, a mod could delete it without it having to be downvoted first.
 
@AdrianMole There's two major things in this case that leads me to believe it's plagiarism. First, the Q has no code block to modify. I find a lot of folks forget that when they see similar code blocks (all the answers would copy and modify that block).
The second is it's spot-on identical. What are the odds two people are going to write that exact block at the same time? Note the third answer uses the principle but with a different code block
 
@Machavity I agree (with both points). I just wasn't sure enough to raise a mod flag.
... so I raised an SOCVR chat, instead.
 
If two questions are merged, can I see this in the history of an answer? I'm looking at an answer to an old Q and it doesn't seem to make enough sense. I wonder if it ended up there after a merge (so, perhaps originally it answered a slightly different question) or it's just non-sensical.
 
@cigien Your thinking is right in most cases. As a mod you see "They copied me!" when the other answer merely used the same principle. Or they posted close together or (as I mentioned) everyone started with the OP's copy and went from there
@AdrianMole Copy-pasta without original code to work from is definitely something to mod flag
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3:14 PM
OK - noted for future reference. (The poster of the earlier answer also added a comment, I noticed.)
 
@JeanneDark But I don't think we disagree on that, at all :) Identical answers posted at the same time are absolutely not useful, and I would love to only have one of them around (and I don't particularly care which one; I'm not inclined to just favor the user who clicked "submit" first). I'm just unaware of any mechanism to delete one of them if they were both posted in good faith.
 
good faith or not, a not useful answer is not useful
 
@KevinB Indeed. And faced with such a choice, which one would you delete?
 
i mean, in this case, one has an explanation, the other doesn't
ez
 
3:23 PM
Well, in this case, one is almost certainly copied from the other, so it's not posted in good faith anyway.
 
two answers that are the same but clearly aren't copied, are fine
 
@VLAZ looking at the Q history, it doesn't list any merges. So, I guess the A is just non-sensical
 
presenting the same solution in multiple ways can be useful
 
3:49 PM
@KevinB I think an example may help to explain what I mean. Consider 1 and 2, posted within a minute of each other (I've linked to the 1st revision in both cases, since the answers have diverged due to edits made years after they were posted). I have no reason to think one user copied from another, even though they are about as identical as answers get.
Faced with 2 answers in that state, clearly one of them is useless (I would argue that both answers are presenting the solution in the same way), and SO would not suffer in the slightest from one being deleted. But which one, and why?
While I picked this example to emphasize the issue, this is not a rare occurrence, and still happens today (a lot in some tags from what I hear). Unless I'm missing something, there isn't a mechanism to clean that up, even though we probably all agree that it should be.
 
six in one, half dozen the other
Sorry, i don't dwell on these issues. I just pick one
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@JeanneDark That's impossible. Neither of those answers are remotely eligible for del-pls. Only mods (or the OPs) could clean that up.
And not even the OP in the case of an accepted answer.
 
@cigien I was not referring to your two examples. Just that it's possible in general. About your example - with the first revisions it's a wee bit misleading. After all, when they are edited to be different enough, the issue no longer exists. And when we were discussing Adrian's example, the second answer was already an hour old. Certainly enough to edit it into something unique (and useful).
 
I want to buy new air with m1 chip, what do you think about it?
 
3:58 PM
@KevinB I certainly see your point :) I have toyed with the idea of a meta post basically saying mods should be allowed to toss a coin (so as to avoid incentivzing fgiw), and delete all but one of multiple identical answers. I haven't given it nearly enough thought to actually post it yet, but it's certainly appealing. (I also have a history of being overly eager with deletion in meta posts, so I'll have to be a bit careful with phrasing).
 
In this case i woulda chosen the one that actually did something in the loop rather than a comment
more info > less, except in extreme cases
 
@cigien In this case, I'm not sure what FGITW has to do with it. The problem with that was that people would quickly post not well explained solutions to the questions and garner upvotes while the users writing better, longer answers had their posts somewhat ignored. But the cases we discuss are of users who take apparently longer to write even shorter, worse answers.
 
yeah i tend to ignore FGITW in the long term. I only act on that in the short term. If i see a post that is low quality, i'll downvote it. if they immediately edit it to be this large well documented answer, after posting a 1liner, i'll just leave the vote. Yes, the answer is in a good state, but i won't reward that practice
reward? award?
award
 
award a reward
 
@KevinB what are you still doing here? New World is out
 
4:06 PM
can't do that at work
did get an hour in this morning tho
 
@JeanneDark Yes, it seems we're talking about different things. I linked to the first revisions because the edits were made years after the post. Before that, it's not at all clear which one should be deleted (the additional println in one of them may be a reason to prefer it, sure).
Adrian's example was copied, so that's different. I got involved in the discussion to point out that your comment "Maybe custom flag because even if it was not copied, it is just a duplicate answer?" is not entirely accurate. If it's not copied, the timing of posting the answers does matter.
 
if it's not plagiarism, there's no reason to get mods involved
we have the tools to deal with it
 
The one that annoys me the most is the one few non-mods see. Answer A is a FGITW and is highly upvoted. Answer B (years later) makes a different point from later developments. A has B edited into it. Later people flag B for plagiarism
 
hey, i have an example of that
(except I don't think they literally copied from me, they just didn't realize my answer existed till after the edit)
according to them
 
@Machavity Isn't that what Suraj linked just after my original message?
 
4:12 PM
but it's a trustworthy answerer, so i believe them
 
Trust no-one. Believe less!
 
now my answer is up top regardless, thanks to the unpinning
 
my answer was almost 30 min later
 
@JeanneDark Yes, and the accepted answer says "for some significant amount of time earlier" (not my emphasis). That's what I said, right?
 
4:14 PM
@AdrianMole Looks that way. I've been in and out so only skimming. Sorry if I'm reiterating
 
@cigien What exactly are you disagreeing with? I just suggested a custom flag, because in case of plagiarism it's the right thing to do and even if it was no plagiarism, it really didn't add anything new and useful, not even a single letter. But a mod can delete it without having to downvote it, so no penalty. Or to keep it around. Not sure it would be declined with a good explanation, but even if it was, you don't mind declined flags, do you?
 
I like declined flags. Makes me feel that I'm being noticed. :)
 
Helpful flags make you feel like you're being ignored? ;)
 
Yes - they're just so common.
 
4:23 PM
@JeanneDark I'm disagreeing with "and even if it was no plagiarism, it really didn't add anything new and useful, not even a single letter." being a reason to delete an answer. This answer on the question you just linked puts it very nicely (in particular the comment by the author on their own answer).
 
brb declining Adrian's flags
 
Won't take long - just 2 pending ATM.
 
@cigien But that's not the highest-voted answer. The accepted one has many more answers and suggest to flag for mod. And a mod flag doesn't cause automatic deletion of an answer.
 
@JeanneDark Message on custom mod flag: Delete this answer or I'll shoot your dog.
 
Someone was rude in comments recently. After suspension, they were incredulous that the "real victim of harassment" was the one being suspended.
 
4:28 PM
Dog avatar?
 
harassed by society
 
@tripleee someone upvoted that question...
 
Yeah, Jon Clements gave his leg in service of SO to stop a rabid spammer
 
@JeanneDark That's fair. I personally would take the word of a mod on what flags should be raised, or not, but that comes down to what "consensus" even means on meta, and I'm far from an expert on that.
 
wasn't me!
 
4:31 PM
neither me
 
If a mod is around, I'm curious to know: would a flag saying "Please delete 1 or 2 since they're verbatim copies. Preferably delete both since they are strict subsets of 3" be accepted? And I don't mean, would the flag be marked helpful or not, but would the answers be deleted? Note that all 3 were posted within a minute of each other.
 
@cigien In our discussion we should not forget that what sparked my chat message about raising a mod flag on duplicate answers was sparked by two longer answers with one very much looking like plagiarism (also because the question didn't contain that code). Not short answers to basic questions that can be answered easily in one line.
 
eh, there's some mods I'd take the word of over "community consensus", but usually it's more a case of which one do I agree with than which one should have more experience.
there's certainly been mods that IMO do things completely backwards
 
@JeanneDark We both agree that the example that started the discussion should be deleted. But I would claim only if it was copied (or reasonable reason to believe it was copied). If it was just a poorer duplicate, that would not be a reason.
 
also though... something "needing to be deleted" isn't explicitly grounds for mod flagging.
 
4:49 PM
@KevinB I assume you mean in cases where the community can deal with it?
 
eh, in any case where it isn't plagiarism
a very easy but often searched was asked, and it received 4-5 "identical" legitimate non-copy pasta answers. it's not up to mods to decide which ones stay
though... I am for mods stepping in and cleaning up such a question years later,
 
Hmm, I use plagiarism to describe instances of intentional copying. When an answer is "copied", i.e. it adds no useful information over another answer posted much earlier, but has a high score, a mod flag would be reasonable I think. I can't speak from personal experience on that; I don't really raise those flags.
 
the key difference is now that it's been 10+ years, we can see which answers were supported by their authors and clean out the ones that weren't and don't add anything the better ones do.
and, of course, which ones the community have found useful
in other words, i don't think it's an individual answer thing
if one answer is to be looked at on that post, they all should be
 
Hmm, those are useful points, thanks. I think I might be able to post a meta about this now.
 
5:04 PM
There is somewhat of a precedent for old popular posts receiving that kind of action from mods
 
Because the mod felt like it, or in response to a flag?
 
i don't recall exactly
probably a bit of both
It came up recently on an old python question
 
If you happen to have a link to the discussion, that would be great.
 
Jean was the mod that acted on it, but i don't know how i'd find it, it's been a month+ ago
oh, i left a comment on it... i can find it that way
 
Do you mean this one?
 
5:13 PM
yes
it was a more recent meta question, but that's the post it was about
 
Hmm, that's murky. JFF's self-answer was not well received, and it also involved locking, and afaict, it was a unilateral decision (i.e. it wasn't in response to a flag). It's still relevant though, so I'll see how I can use that.
 
i don't even remember writing that answer
don't think it necessarily answers the question, more, it's against a particular solution that was suggested
;)
 
some bug in the profile with the badges? They are all white in dark mode
 
@cigien Maybe, but I'm fine with deleting the other two (2 of 5) that say the same thing (done). The ones you've linked to were posted within 48 seconds and ~ 2 minutes of the top answer. At the time posted, the answers were of similar quality. The top/accepted answer was edited 6 years later to provide an explanation.
@JeanneDark It would help if you said on which page specifically, rather than for us to go searching for something we may not find.
 
5:26 PM
@Makyen Profile, activity
 
the middle one should be different because it's not a tag badge
 
if badges were at teh bottom where they belong, it wouldn't have even been noticeable
 
well, yes that, but it's also a bug that should be fixed
 
5:33 PM
@VLAZ how do you see who owns/sells a product on that site
> Expect instances where high contrast isn’t applied properly or at all.

Or just, like, test it first...
 
@TylerH ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ dunno, grabbed the link from Philippe's post.
 
Oh, I guess anything for sale there is by the company Drop
it looked like an Etsy kind of situation
 
455 sold already...they are going fast.
 
well, it was requested multiple times, after all :) nice instance of actually listening and earning a buck off it
 
@TylerH I both agree and disagree with this being an issue. The testing matrix for SO/SE is huge. So, it's reasonable to expect that there will be issues. OTOH, they do far less testing internally prior to releases than I consider reasonable, which pushes pre-alpha testing onto users, with predicable results.
As to these specific changes, they would have been much better of, IMO, spending a bit more time moving to having the CSS consistently use the already existing color variables, which could then be changed in a single place without necessitating tracking down a bunch of different color definitions within the CSS. After all, consistency and the ease of changing themes are primary reasons for those variables to exist.
 
5:43 PM
@Makyen Hmm, perhaps I should raise that flag and see what happens. Thanks for deleting the late duplicates.
 
@TylerH Oh, the badges are also broken in high contrast mode, by the way. Image for reference
 
6:03 PM
@VLAZ My guess is they made a change to the HTML for everything to try and get badges to show up for high contrast modes rather than just write CSS that works for high contrast modes, and ended up breaking it for everything
@Makyen yes, the language just comes across as "we didn't test this at all"
 
@TylerH Good point. Unfortunately, probably fairly accurate.
 
6:19 PM
 
^ This is a self-duplicate of a too-broad question closed the previous day
I get the impression someone's trying to make SO into a knowledge base for whatever [dasha] is.
 
6:49 PM
@miken32 It would probably be a good idea to mod-flag this
 
@Dharman I flagged a question a couple of weeks ago pointing out a bunch of low quality questions that had been posted in the tag quickly getting upvotes, followed shortly by long detailed answers. It was marked helpful and I think a few questions got deleted.
 
Yeah, they all seem to be employees of Dasha.ai
I can only see 1 deleted by a mod. The rest seems to have been deleted by 10k+ users mostly from this room
 
7:24 PM
 
8:03 PM
 
9:03 PM
i'm out of votes
 
The author of this question wants it deleted (see edit history). Shall we oblige them, or shall we respect those who have answered?
 
... just noticed that Roomba will eat that in 10 days, anyway.
^ Is that spam (self-interest is disclosed) or just NAA?
 
@OlegValter it's still a duplicate
@AdrianMole respect those who have answered
 
@AdrianMole I think NAA
 
9:18 PM
If OP wants to be disassociated from the question or thinks it has sensitive information they can contact the company using the Contact Us form
 
@TylerH So, an upvote on an answer will keep Roomba away.
 
@AdrianMole I don't know whether the answers are useful; I'm just saying that vandalism and circumventing system rules is not the way to go
 
@TylerH it's not the OP, but the tutor, who want disassociation
 
I agree, actually. But I don't want to act purely out of 'spite' (for the OP's vandalism). Would we consider deleting it in other circumstances?
 
@TylerH eh, why, exactly, did you ping me about it? :) I only linked it since methinks it is relevant for SOCVR participants
 
9:23 PM
@AdrianMole I don't think so, check: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/295420/…
 
@OlegValter because you shared the link :-P
 
fair enough :)
 
it is relevant, but it's already been discussed at length long ago when the dupe target was originally posted (not necessarily here)
 
eh, I don't have a stance on it, really - just didn't want folks to miss out since dupe or not, it's going to sparkle a new discussion either way
 
9:31 PM
o/
 
@AdrianMole cc @Vickel: FWIW, it was marked as spam by the moderator who handled the flag
 
Not sure that an actual moderator was involved: timeline. That looks like 6 spam flags, is not?
... or maybe not (only -2 vote score). I'm not that good at interpreting these timeline thingies.
... does that mean that a moderator cast a spam flag?
 
The fact that it's only at +0/-2 but deleted by Community means that a red flag was cast by a moderator. If it were deleted by 6 normal-user flags, there would be at least 6 downvotes, since each such flag is accompanied by an automatic downvote from the Community user.
 
do we actually have a close reason for "This question is so poorly researched it's asking for something that is totally absurd"
 
@AdrianMole The policy is firmly against deleting such questions merely because either the question author wants it deleted ("Caveat emptor. Making students aware they cannot delete their homework questions"), or because a member of the staff at a school desires for it to be removed ("How to cope with complaints from tutors who want to fight cheaters?").
The policy is the same in both cases: if the system doesn't permit the user to delete, then don't delete. If the copyright holder feels that posting the question (or answer) violated their copyright (and they aren't the one that posted it), then they can file a DMCA takedown notice (a decent description of that process is in: "Instructions for reporting copyright infringement have (accidentally) been removed from the site"
 
9:37 PM
@KevinB Yes! It's called "Other (leave comment)".
 
@KevinB Sometimes these need details or clarity because they don't make sense. Other times the correct response is to give a "no, you can't, because..." answer.
 
@Makyen Thanks for the clarification. Good job I didn't cast a delete vote, then. ;)
 
> with powershell, how can i make a web request and click on a button so that the result contains the results
 
@KevinB ...yep, I surely have no clue what that means. Needs details or clarity.
 
i mean
 
9:39 PM
That's easy to answer: Add a button to your website to make the result contain the results.
 
i know exactly what it means
 
@AdrianMole But if you as an SME think the question should be gone, feel free to delete it. In this case, it would be a waste of delete votes as the system will delete itself
 
no additional details will help the question
it's like, how can i chop down this tree with an apple
 
@Dharman I'm not an SME for that one. Came across it in CV reviews.
... so I raised the issue here.
 
then I see no reason to delete it
 
9:42 PM
@AdrianMole In addition to what RyanM said about it being deleted by Community with a score of -2, the fact that the post is locked by Community indicates that it was spam deleted.
 
@KevinB Honestly, for that I'd vote "Leave Open" and answer "You can't. Wood (which trees are made of) is significantly harder than an apple. No amount of attacking the tree with an apple will be able to scratch the tree. It might, perhaps, be possible to do some damage with frozen apples, but this seems so impractical as to be, for all intents and purposes, infeasible."
@cigien Though that's true regardless of whether a moderator was involved or not (and, nitpick: it means it was red-flag deleted, not specifically spam).
 
@RyanM Yes, hence the "in addition". Also, I thought there was only one kind of red-flag deletion, right?
 
@cigien The system does differentiate between spam flags and R/A flags. Posts closed with the latter aren't (supposed to be) used as audits, if I correctly recall one of Cody's discussions.
 
@cigien Yeah, there's no way to tell what mix of spam / R/A flags were cast, unless the post is used as an audit (in which case it was just spam).
 
There's an echo in the room. xD
 
9:48 PM
Oh, I didn't know about the difference w.r.t audits. Thanks (both).
 
@cigien Based on this answer it seems this applies to specific queues only.
 
Can someone please talk to or send a letter to synfusion people. They are so annoying. I have to edit so many of their answers to remove fluff
 
@Dharman Have you tried leaving comments? Sometimes it can help.
 
No, but I think I will post on Meta
 
9:59 PM
Somehow I doubt they're going to see that
 
"We have analyzed on your scenario at our end. Here's a link. Please let us know if it helps. Best Regards, Jimmy McJimmyson"
 
Don't mess with the McJimmyson clan.
 
I can't downvote them all as I am afraid it will get reversed. As I go through the tag the names repeat
 
@RyanM Well... it really depends on how fast the apple is moving (relevant xkcd what-if: Relativistic Baseball). :)
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@Dharman That's (now) the exact same answer that was already mod-deleted.
 
10:02 PM
I know, hence my anger
Close or edit this one? stackoverflow.com/q/69103192/1839439
I don't even know what the answer refers to. Is it a deleted comment?
And they see comments from Community stackoverflow.com/questions/69044158/…
 
Well if Botty McBotface is involved ...
 
@Dharman I noticed very similar behavior from "Snowflake" switching to SO for support/forum snowflake.com/blog/snowflake-forum-is-now-on-stack-overflow
 
10:48 PM
@AdrianMole that would... if it could fly! Make up for one of the best designs ever for the Redbull Flugtag
 

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