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1:27 AM
I agree that the current Candidate Score is considerably over-simplified in terms of representing potential ability/suitability to be a moderator; I don't know that much about its origins but I suspect it was an attempt to indicate both the depth and breadth (i.e. variety of different types of action) of involvement/commitment on the site.
... some of the other metrics suggested here may be more helpful, but I'm not 100% convinced of that. Reviews: I think, of all the SO review "top 20" leagues, only three current mods appear: Sam (for his Close Vote drive around a year ago) and Andy and JFF in the LQA queue. Meta: Three or four current mods are highly active, a few others are occasional visitors but I have seldom (never?) seen activity from about half the team.
... It's not necessarily that easy (or possibly even appropriate) to assess candidates' suitability in terms of raw statistics. Often, 'unsung' actions (like taking new users 'aside' into chat to explain things) are more relevant.
Would it be feasible, desirable or appropriate to have an indication of what the existing mod team think of a candidate (in very vague terms, only). If the current team has the overall view, "Yeah, they'd be a great addition," then surely that's a good thing? If they think, "Oh no ... what if they win?" ... eek.
 
1:45 AM
@AdrianMole review is something that most reviewers who get elected stop doing. The unilateral decision is something many mods shy away from in anything but the most clear cases. So I'd not judge reviews of current mods when considering this. What reviewing does do is highlight people's willingness to do somewhat thankless drudgery because they recognize its value.
 
@AdrianMole while I don't doubt the impartiality of the mod team, this would face the same problem as elections IRL face - endorsement coming from already elected members heavily biases voting patterns in favor of the candidate which we would probably want to avoid if elections are to be fair. Besides, imagine Alice not really liking Bob due to previous interactions or whatnot. Then Bob goes on to be a great mod, but if it was up to Alice, they would not be endorsed during nomination
 
@Catija Yeah, there are issues with many of my points. But, like you, I'm just tossing some ideas around...
 
We've had cases of people who were generally considered problematic change significantly when they get elected (and some don't).
 
But, IIRC, existing mods do have the ability to veto a candidate (or, at least, ask staff to do so), should they feel really strongly about it.
 
Not really, no.
 
1:49 AM
Hmm. Just staff, then.
 
So... before the voting, we only remove people who are not allowed to participate for some reason. If someone nominated who the mods are particularly concerned about winning, and they do win, we may pause awarding a diamond until we have a chance to talk to the candidate.
 
2:27 AM
Has the number of mods to be elected this time around been announced yet?
 
@AdrianMole The election page, which has been the only official indication that there will be an election, indicates that there's 2 positions.
 
@Makyen Ah - it's in the header line and I seldom read header lines. ;(
 
 
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7:54 AM
@karel isn't the answer showing it is a duplicate? Are you planning on dupe voting it once it is open?
 
8:11 AM
@rene If it was reopened I would close vote it as a duplicate question.
 
Okay.
I think that is a better reason to re-open it, despite being busy-work
 
@rene It has two close votes for being a duplicate question now.
 
@karel closed
 
It is your lucky Saturday
I need more coffee
 
sdc coffee rene
 
8:23 AM
@SurajRao brews a cup of Americano for @rene
 
No downvotes or flags on the link only answer though?
Slackers. ;P
 
@SmokeDetector well, it has some caffeine in it, it has to do. Thanks @SurajRao
 
9:59 AM
 
 
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11:59 AM
 
12:20 PM
@tripleee RO please trash; OP updated
 
12:38 PM
is this and this a lost user or a troll?
 
@SurajRao Difficult to say, I'd just flag as NAA for now
 
delete votes are possible as well
 
Something wrong with Rockingham High School?
 
1:24 PM
Hmm. Any Pythonistas about who'd care to comment on whether this should be used as a "known bad" audit in the Reopen Votes queue? (I opened it up in a new window but still didn't spot that it was an audit. Not saying it should be reopened, just asking if it's really that obvious that it shouldn't be. Seems like quite a 'subjective' decision, to me, and it has a reasonable answer.)
 
@AdrianMole A time traveller from 2050, when SE is a network of sites entirely devoted to doing your homework, seeking her friends sent back in time by some terrible accident ...
@AdrianMole It doesn't look "known bad" to me. It's not a great question, and it's probably a dupe, but not a shoot on sight close vote I would have thought. Looks like it was closed because the OP couldn't really express the background in the comments.
 
@snakecharmerb Meh. My first impression was that it was closed for the wrong reason ("Opinion based" would be better, maybe). I felt that, after the OP's edit, it was a reasonably clear question ... but, as you say, possibly a dupe. Just grumpy that I failed an audit, really.
 
2:08 PM
I really wonder why so many upvotes are scored on VLQ or typo cause questions...
 
low hanging fruit...
 
... you misspelt "tyop"
 
 
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3:13 PM
Did I miss something here? I mod-flagged a similar case a few days back (as plagiarism) but my flag was declined. Not sure I want to bother the mods again. ;(
 
They also omitted the comment // defaultValue={[colourOptions[2], colourOptions[3]]}
 
I count comments as 'whitespace'.
 
@AdrianMole I would look whose answer they copied, and if they have further answers and perhaps copied those, too. Sometimes there can be strange coincidences like copying from the same user, receiving upvotes until they can upvote themselves and then making use of their new privilege, while their "target" receives a lot of upvotes. Purely hypothetical example, for sure.
 
@JeanneDark Interesting. Very interesting. I assume you are making a sidelong reference to their other answer.
 
3:24 PM
@AdrianMole I'm just trying to show how I might investigate something like this. Purely hypothetical ;)
 
@JeanneDark Mod-flagged. If they feel bothered, then so be it.
... but maybe I missed out some info (about the other answerer on both Qs).
Needs one of those "Tangled Web" flags.
 
Maybe they will find out themselves. I can't imagine the flag being declined.
 
It's a pity we can't edit our mod-flag messages. Or ping mods in here to alert them to the issue. :-)
Can I ping mods in here, @Makyen?
I mean, I know we can ping room owners.
 
You can retract and re-raise it.
 
That's too much bother.
 
3:33 PM
@AdrianMole FAQ #18: "Pinging moderators for anything that could be handled with a flag is not acceptable, nor is changing the topic of conversation with a moderator to be about a flaggable issue. It is fine to continue a discussion topic introduced by a moderator, even if you beginning that discussion would otherwise not be permitted."
 
Oops. Sorry.
 
@AdrianMole so, no. You can't do that. Just wait for a mod to show up naturally
 
Again, sorry. I must behave better.
 
Much better, yes.
 
Or we'll soon be playing whack-a-mole in here
 
3:38 PM
That gets messy quickly
 
whack-a-mole with a ban-hammer?
 
more like mole-hammer... I'll see myself out
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/69327695/… is this already spam enough to justify a moderator flag?
 
it's not advertising, and it doesn't count as abuse either because there's a (crappy) question still present if you remove the duplicate content
 
^That. Although I am tempted to flag sometimes.
 
3:51 PM
@tacoshy spam? looks like just a wretched question
 
smoking pile, but not posted with the intention to harm
 
always forgetting that SPAM in SO term is different to the normal term
but yes pile of repeated nonsense sentences
 
fun fact - it actually is a valid (well, a horrible one, but valid) question underneath this pile, most likely they added this nonsense to circumvent the "mostly code" check
 
@OlegValter way too much code, no error description
 
@JohnDvorak oh, I don't argue with that :)
 
3:57 PM
tbh, I not going to bother to clean up the question to meet the guideliens and becoming worth of reopening.
 
nah, no need, the takeaway here is that it's just neither spam nor R/A, don't waste your flags on it
 
@OlegValter DV and move on... :)
 
yup
 
 
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5:41 PM
@tripleee Ok
 
@snakecharmerb Hmm. From the wiki excerpt: Use this tag for questions specific to problems with repositories hosted on GitHub, features specific to GitHub, and using GitHub for collaborating with other users.
 
@AdrianMole It does feel kinda general computing though, doesn't really seem like it relates to programming directly?
 
I'm on the fence.
 
 
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7:58 PM
@AdrianMole You can, in case you weren't aware, retract and re-raise custom flags. Of course, this is a pain if you've used a bunch of formatting that can't be simply copy-pasted out of the flags page.
 
8:31 PM
 
8:45 PM
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@Vickel How can you tell?
it doesn't say anywhere that it will put it into reopen queue
 
@Dharman well if I'm not mistaken, it does exactly this, I've learned from Makyen
 
wasn't that the old behaviour?
you can edit now without putting it into the reopen queue
 
@Dharman well, was this changed lately?, if so, if you have a link at hand would be great help so I can update my canned comments and actions, thanks
 
> Seniors, please help me to
That's a bit ageist, isn't it?
 
And it is an incomplete edit..., is what I wrote, too
 
8:51 PM
@Vickel I think this is what you are looking for meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369013/…
 
@Vickel Review queue workflows - Final release - when making an edit there is now a checkbox which will put the edited post in the reopen queue. So, it's an explicit action.
 
@VLAZ Meh. One can be "senior" in ways other than age.
 
@Dharman and @VLAZ, thanks, I've bookmarked the link
 
@Vickel I appreciate that you learned that from me. Fortunately, the default behavior for edits and the reopen queue was changed in the most recent update to the review queues. In order to put the question into the reopen queue as the result of an edit, there's now a checkbox which the editor has to click on in order to indicate that the edit resolves the reasons for the question being closed.
and.... ninja'd
 
@AdrianMole Yes, I suppose you could be a Spanish speaker, too.
 
8:58 PM
@Makyen Thanks, I just looked into it, I remember there were some changes to be made for edits, but then it seems I didn't follow up...
 
@Vickel np. Thanks for updating. Unfortunately, following the advent of that feature was a bit frustrating, as they announced it, but then did a couple/few updates to the review queues prior to actually implementing it. Adding it was part of their bug-ridden "final" update.
@VLAZ Using "seniors" as a general appellation seems to be a cultural thing. I haven't determined if there's a geographical region where it's more common to use that appellation, but it could be as narrow as per-company or per-school. It's certainly something I recognize as meaning "people more knowledgeable than me", but it's not something I'd commonly use.
 
@Makyen To be clear, it was a joke. I recognise it wasn't meant as "elder".
 
@VLAZ Ahhh... OK. I have seen some people interpret it as just "older". :;
 
 
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10:56 PM
 
11:07 PM
Is this rude enough for R/A? stackoverflow.com/a/69330513/1839439
 
Not sure. I gave it NAA and a complementary delete vote.
 
same
 
11:30 PM
I think it's quite sad that the Community Bot has lost its diamond - but I'm not going to mess with Catija.
 

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