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12:21 AM
Is there anyone here who knows a good chatroom for C# errors? I have literally 100 JAVAC0000 errors that is the same exact thing in an R.Java page that I have never heard of before.
 
@MirandaHall maybe this one: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/7/c please check their FAQ's first before engaging, thanks
 
 
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1:43 AM
@KenWhite I'm not familiar with the tech in question; is that possibly the sort of official-download-link resource request that is on topic?
 
1:54 AM
@RyanM Doesn't look like it to me. It's asking for a link to download source that has been requested at GitHub. It's possible I could be wrong.
 
2:19 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis did you mean to close those questions the other way and delete the one with no answer, as opposed to this answered one?
 
@RyanM hmmm
 
 
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I suspect this answer being used as an audit will catch out some people in the First Answers review queue.
 
@DavidBuck looks like a good audit to me (so far, everyone's gotten it right)
 
7:55 AM
@RandomPerson that's what it means, yes. There is no guarantee that an individual close vote will help; posts are closed when they receive enough close votes - if they don't, the existing close votes will eventually expire
 
8:36 AM
I'm trying to write a SEDE query but I'm definitely no mssql expert. Where can I ask for an additional set of eyes to review it?
 
This is NAA, isn't it?
 
 
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10:34 AM
Want to feel old? Apparently '92 now refers to 2092, not 1992.
 
Hello Everyone,

I answered one of the questions recently here
https://stackoverflow.com/a/69298132/15405352

and found out after few minutes itself someone added another answer copying my query in his answer

What am I supposed to do in such situation ?
 
nonono, you can only lift the suspension by traveling back in time
 
@JohnDvorak Hmm, but if you go back to 1992, then Stack Exchange won't exist yet to lift your suspension...
 
@JohnDvorak Next instalment of Back to the Future. The professor goes back in time to undo the ban, so he can go post again.
 
@RyanM Of course not. You have to travel back. The long way. And then you can lift the suspension.
 
10:37 AM
@RyanM You have to go back in time and convince the people who created SO to create it, in order to lift your ban.
 
@groovy_guy flag for plagiarism, supposing the answers are not trivial
 
@groovy_guy they're similar but sliiiightly different in parentheses (yours, theirs)
 
@groovy_guy: Neither is what I would consider high-quality answers since they are both mostly "code-dump" answers without much in the way of explanation, making them unhelpful to all but the OP. I would spend less time worrying about plagiarism and more time improving the answer so that it is helpful to all future visitors who come to the site with similar problems.
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On the one hand, that's really similar. On the other hand, that is the obvious way to do it. Mildly suspicious but IDK if a moderator would do anything without some more evidence (plagiarists are often repeat plagiarists, as I was reminded after stumbling across two plagiarized answers in a row from the same person in the review queue today).
But yeah Hovercraft's suggestion is best: add an explanation to yours, then you'll get the upvotes because it's better :-)
Unless they copy that too, then flag it for sure.
 
 
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11:56 AM
Is there something odd going on with the bounty here? (See other answer and comment on the question.)
 
@AdrianMole Someone there has an interesting reputation tab.
 
@AdrianMole Yes something is very much up there. That needs a flag.
 
12:39 PM
@AdrianMole Where did the bounty come from, anyway? That's the OP's only post.
 
@DavidBuck Odder and odder ... but I'm still not sure what/how to flag.
 
@AdrianMole A bounty was awarded on this which I can't see. Could it be this? Seems like a fairly tangled web.
 
Yeah... that looks fairly tangled alright
 
@Machavity want a flag or are y'all on it already?
 
12:48 PM
@DavidBuck That bounty went to a now-deleted account. The parent question (asked by the receiver of the bounty on the latest one) was deleted by a moderator yesterday.
 
David has flagged. And there's something there alright. There's no need to flag again (unless you want to)
 
We need a "Tangled Web" flag.
 
@AdrianMole Note also that the answer is copied from an older answer. Note who posted that older answer.
 
Let me guess ...
 
@RyanM Yes. My flag was plagiarism with a side of voting fraud.
 
12:50 PM
If a post of yours is deleted, the rep changes resulting from it would no longer be shown in the rep tab, would they? In a hypothetical case, if someone receives 100 rep on a post, starts a bounty with it and deletes the post, the rep tab would probably look somewhat strange. And reguar users can't find their deleted posts...
 
@DavidBuck I remember flagging another of their answer previously for plagiarism...
 
@Machavity So, when all is sorted out, do the dodgy bounties get passed on to the SOCVR regular who first raised the issue? xD
 
No, the one who most needs the rep ;)
 
Meh. But it does seem a pity to just 'waste' 200 Unicorn Points.
 
@AdrianMole We're contractually required to set them all on fire, sadly
 
12:54 PM
Ah well ...
 
@Machavity Does it look like this?
 
@JeanneDark Yes
 
1:22 PM
This is not an answer, is it?
 
thats a comment... It already says they arent answering the question
 
Thanks.
 
Such a suggested edit should be rejected? Reviewing an answer and choosing the edit option.
 
1:40 PM
@JeanneDark Yes. That's NAA and the edit fixes nothing
 
Thank you
 
@JeanneDark It's not an answer. There's nothing to approve there.
 
And the question was bad too...
 
I can't review myself, but in the future it would make sense to post a review-pls request in here? I doubt that I would post too many though.
 
just flag as NAA and move on
 
1:43 PM
Ok, thanks
 
Not really. It's not easy for normal users to find the review if all you have is the link to the post itself. Those should be if you come across a review that is terrible and needs immediate rejection
 
@Machavity Well, for suggested edits it's very easy for 2k+ users. It's the other queues where it's a bit fiddly.
 
Yeah, that's true. In this case it would be NAA
 
But in this case, was the link in my above message to the answer itself or to the review? To me it looks like the suggested edit review queue (with the message that I can't review).
 
Let me back up and try again. If you flag something NAA/LQP, you're not going to have a link to the review, nor can it easily be obtained. If it's an edit review, feel free to link the post
 
2:14 PM
completely off topic actually^
 
@SurajRao borderline spam too honestly.
 
yeah.. I am on the fence on flagging this one...
 
same. Haven't flagged it but I suspect some have...that's a lot of downvotes very quickly otherwise.
 
Hah, Raku posts in the CV queue
nice try, system
 
although...it's pretty darn close to the example in Are job offers spam? of "I need a developer to do X, if you are interested, please contact me at YYY@ZZZ.com"...
 
2:19 PM
I'll pay you for that ... spam!
 
Yeah, alright, flagged. I'd give benefit of the doubt if they had any other contributions...oh wait, they actually do...
 
2:44 PM
Not spam, but a typo question
 
And hey, I finally see the "thank you for reviewing 40 items" banner again
 
4:23 PM
I ran into a case where a NAA was deleted from review. The poster made a very minor edit and undeleted it. What's the appropriate action in this case?
I commented and flagged it as NAA again, but I'm not sure if there's any other action (e.g. mod flag, request 20k deletion) that's appropriate too.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica This should raise an automatic flag
I usually do nothing and just wait, a mod eventually deletes it.
 
5:06 PM
@desertnaut There was: Edit to this answer
 
@JeanneDark oooops, I missed that, sorry
 
I think the CMs are attacking/targeting my Fan Club: just had a "-50 User was removed" (never had one quite that big, before, but quite a few -10s and -20s).
 
Can be painful; I'm not sure what the biggest one I've ever had was
 
5:29 PM
@AdrianMole Hey now, maybe it's actually the mods who are out to get you. They can remove users too!
 
Very likely: You upvoted 5 of the Mole's answers, so you must be deleted!
 
Glad that I have nothing to fear
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zing
 
I'm still (patiently) waiting for a "+20 User was removed" message. ;(
 
Waiting for the moderators to announce that they've busted Jeanne for voting fraud after discovering that all 7 upvotes went to the same person.
 
5:35 PM
But Cody would block that action, surely.
 
Wants to keep his upvotes ;)
 
Doesn't get many these days (except on Meta).
 
@AdrianMole FWIW we all have them. When I became a mod I found out who had upvoted me 48 times before reversal...
 
Did you then reverse the reversal? xD
 
@Machavity Wait, how? You are supposed to not know who voted for you.
 
5:45 PM
@Braiam They can't find out who but that the same person voted so often
 
As far as I know, they only get something like "4 users have casted 80% of the votes on this user"
 
@Machavity You've got better fans than me, I only got 13 :-( but they managed to do it subtly enough that it took them 21 days to get caught and reversed...
 
@Braiam Voting fraud tools. That's... a lot of voting for a person
If you engage in voting fraud, you will eventually get caught. Not being reversed by the reversal script doesn't mean you got away with it
@RyanM If you look at my rep graph, there's this small blip in late 2019. That was this voter
 
@Machavity I know, but you said that you know "who had upvoted [you]"
You are not supposed to know.
 
5:59 PM
I imagine he initiated a manual reversal process for a user for some reason (e.g. a flag) and then found he himself had lost 480 rep
While it wouldn't tell him "X user voted on this stuff", that would be fairly conclusive evidence
 
6:11 PM
+1 for the honesty about that Piece Of Shit printer tho
 
6:25 PM
@Braiam So... mods have to know voting patterns. If you vote for someone long enough, it shows up. And we can view our own pattern page. I can even see all the flags raised against me.
The catch is the tooling just says "Hey, there might be a problem here" and we have to decide if it warrants escalation to a CM. CMs can correlate votes and remove them if need be
Mods can't see your votes tab in your profile. I can't tell what you've voted to close or delete either
 
Well, unless they were from reviews :-)
 
It's hard to describe without saying too much. Run for mod and win and you can see your voting patterns too :P
 
@Machavity But you can't see the specific user, which is what I was getting at. You only know "X number of users", no?
 
@Machavity Would that make a good answer to "Why I want to be a moderator?" in the upcoming Meta post? ;-)
 
@AdrianMole Just don't run your hands together and cackle maniacally :P
 
6:35 PM
@Machavity I find this silly, honestly...close and delete votes aren't secret, and certainly shouldn't be hidden from moderators.
 
@Braiam It shows specific users. It does not show anything beyond a pattern, so unless you have some easy way to correlate it to the reputation tab, it doesn't show you what they voted on
@RyanM I'm not sure what the logic there is either. If I look at a post, I can see your delete votes, even if they're pending
 
@Machavity That's news to me. A moderator once told me that only knows the number of users that represent a proportion of the votes on your posts.
 
@RyanM @Machavity It's probably just a lack of resources put into showing that to mods
It's never been hidden once the votes are complete
So I'm sure it's just something where they didn't put it in to begin with...
It is a good idea to hide that from users, and they probably didn't think mods would want that info so badly they need to see it before a vote is complete
 
Probably that it is more complex to show you other votes without showing you ranking votes.
 
although in the system I would be very surprised if they categorized delete/close votes as "votes" rather than simply "actions" to be tallied up
 
@Braiam We're just describing it a different way is all. Hard to clarify without saying too much about how it works
 
6:54 PM
E.g. "once n users have performed the <action> action on a question, change the status of the question to <status>"
 
@TylerH eeeeeevverything is votes in the backend. Remember when you couldn't unfollow deleted posts because they can't be voted on?
 
@RyanM oh, really? Yikes...
I never followed posts to begin with though
well, I can say their lives would've been much easier if they did it the way I suggested from the beginning
but I have the benefit of hindsight
 
It's useful for catching sneaky vandals who wait a while and try vandalizing their post again. And also for noticing when people fix their NAAs.
 
Oh yeah it does have its uses
I just didn't use it at that time
I think I do follow like 3 posts now or something
Yes, two, and they're both deleted
lol
Though it's kind of annoying you can't privately follow posts
both your follows and your favorites are visible to other users
That's what we get for SO being an American company I suppose
 
i only follow posts that my close votes keep timing out on
 
6:58 PM
Also, hah, I laughed at this xkcd xkcd.com/2519
 
wait, no that's bookmarks, i don't use follow at all
 
7:10 PM
@TylerH No they're not. Follows are private.
 
I vaguely remember that we had dark-theme versions for the *-pls script and the Magic Editor Script. Does someone have the link to them?
 
@RyanM Oh really? Then why tf did they put a block section for them in the activity tab of the profile -_-
annoying...
 
@Turing85 you're switching to the dark-side?
 
@rene I always was. New laptop -> reinstallation required
 
@TylerH same reason they put one for Votes and Reputation, I assume ;-)
 
7:16 PM
while we're at it... we also had a script for the chat that - when a question was linked -showed how many close-votes it had or if it was edited since posting. Looking for this one aswell.
 
@Turing85 is that the Unclosed review script found on this page: socvr.org/tools/userscripts
 
@Dharman this is the one I have installed currently. Leads to this
@rene jupp, thanks!
@rene this message was meant for you. Dunno why I thought Dharman wrote the initial comment...
 
Good morning Dharman :-)
 
has a lot of off-topic questions
 
7:26 PM
@Turing85 yeah, I have no idea where other versions are hosted. Maybe @Makyen knows if no-one else responds any sooner.
 
@rene well someone will respond sometime ^^ lesson learned: write down the links :)
 
@Dharman that tag wiki is some wishful thinking
 
@RyanM You need to see OS tags :D
 
@Turing85 when you have done so please create a PR to update our tools page on socvr.org
 
> DO NOT USE THIS TAG FOR QUESTIONS REGARDING URL ROUTING OR SINGLE PAGE APPLICATION ROUTERS
Okay but those are the only on-topic questions in the tag...
This needs a burnination-scale cleanup.
 
7:29 PM
@Turing85 Or, just go to the tools page on socvr.org, with socvr.org linked in the room description.
 
No, the tag is meant to be used only when asking about physical routers on the network. \s
 
@Dharman is that a sarcasm tag? That's literally what it's allegedly for: "A router is a device that forwards data packets across multiple networks."
 
@Makyen that's where i got the script I am currently running got from. Looked also through the branches of the git repo, but did not find anything darkmode-related
 
That tag needs to be burninated
 
which...I'm sort of skeptical that there are many on-topic questions about those. Maybe a few APIs for network routers.
 
7:31 PM
but it has 3k questions so noone will do it
 
@Dharman we could at least get a consensus to redefine the tag to how it's actually being used...
 
@Turing85 Yes, because they don't exist. There was some work done on Magic Editor to make it work with dark mode, but there were issues with the implementation, and, IIRC, the changes were grouped with changes for other issues which made separating it out more difficult. As far as I know, there isn't one for the Request Generator. I'll take a look at it.
 
@RyanM < DO NOT USE! GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT USAGE AND CONFIGURATION OF ROUTERS ARE OFF-TOPIC! Use it when asking about development on physical network routers.
Something like that would be better
 
are there any questions that ask about that?
 
I doubt it, which is why I say it should be removed from this site
 
7:43 PM
@Turing85 I'd note that at this point there should never be a separate version of any of our scripts which is specifically for support of dark mode. When supported, dark mode would just be something supported by the normal version of each of the scripts. This assumes that the dark mode which is desired to be supported is the dark mode which is a normal part of the SO UI, which is specifically designed such that it's relatively easy to support either, based on the user's selection.
 
@Makyen I am not quite sure I fully understand your message. I am running SO in dark mode through the dark mode user setting.
 
@Turing85 How you're using dark mode is what I would expect.
I'm not sure what didn't communicate. What I was saying was: don't expect a separate version of any of our scripts which has as the support of dark mode as the reason for being a separate version. In other words, when it's supported, it will be part of the main script, unless someone else chooses to release a version and also chooses not to provide a PR, or otherwise offer it back to the main development.
 
@Makyen ah okay. Yes, that is what I was expecting as well. I just remembered that it worked on my old machine and that I had some special versions of those two scripts installed. For me, they worked and as a temporary workaround, they would have been sufficient.
 
8:03 PM
I found this question here: What are the most important features of an IDE for Perl development?. Are certain opinion-based questions ok?
 
@Calculuswhiz Definitely should be closed as opinion-based
 
8:28 PM
@AdrianMole Same here, at the same time. -90 in my case. Also the largest drop I've ever had IIRC.
Related question: if 2 users are removed at the same time, and there's rep loss due to both, does it show up as separate entries?
 
@cigien No
 
Ok. Thanks.
 
But I think sometimes it does. I don't really know when that is...
I remember seeing it on occasions, so maybe if there's a larger time difference between the events?
 
Waffle. Misread.
 
They would be separate if it happened on different UTC days at least.
 
8:32 PM
But generally, when mods remove accounts, the rep changes are merged together
I can provide examples, but I think ROs wouldn't appreciate that
 
Yeah, probably best to avoid that :) Where's Jeanne when one needs a meta link? ;)
 
@cigien searching for a meta link
 
:)
 
We can test it: one person commits voting fraud from two accounts, the other flags it.
</bad-advice>
 
8:36 PM
Why commit fraud. There's plenty of it available at the moment, just pick one and flag it
 
8:48 PM
@cigien A quick double-check indicates a jumbled mash of maybe, maybe not. Even when there's more than one entry, the removed votes may not be accurately allocated between them, at least for users which were deleted close together.
 
@Makyen Oof. Meta is not yielding anything, possibly because it's a bit of an edge case that's not particularly important. I'll give up looking then. Thanks.
 
9:40 PM
@eyllanesc How is that spam? The site which is mentioned is the one mentioned in the question.
 
@Makyen iI got confused, sorry. I have to go rest.
 
@eyllanesc np. I hope you get some good rest. :)
 
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11:11 PM
@cigien This question received a dozen answers within 10 min of being posted, and 9 of them were posted within 3 mins. That seems odd to me.
 
Wth is correctness?
 
@cigien everyone can have an opinion on what color to paint the bikeshed
@cigien ...is that PHP? whyyyy did someone upvote that?
 
@Braiam I have no idea. Even the OP used it half heartedly, given the quotes.
@RyanM Indeed. But the speed and quantity seems odd. Maybe that used to be common in the early days.
@RyanM Just because, apparently :p
 
haha
 
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