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12:01 AM
@cigien Sorry to disagree, but that was spam carefully wrapped within context to eventually escape spam filters (which it nearly did)
 
I agree that it could have been spam ... but, if there is any doubt, we should give the benefit.
 
@AdrianMole how can you give doubt to this: On my main website, www.sextoysbymanzuri.com, I integrate the Razorpay payment gateway (taken for abc.com) and set it up in such a way that folks at Razorpay do not find out that referring domain for that transaction is actually sextoysbymanzuri.com and not abc.com.
 
Yeah, you're probably right. Looking at the full edit history also shows that there was originally a job offer in there, too.
 
@AdrianMole yeah, that startup company link...
 
@Vickel You might want to consider a mod flag - they can still put a spam stamp on deleted posts, I think (for future reference by the system).
... but it already has at least one spam flag.
 
12:07 AM
@AdrianMole I flagged as spam, should do it, isn't it?
 
Yeah, I guess: This question was marked as spam or rude or abusive and is therefore not shown.
 
@AdrianMole I'm watching it on metasmoke, so far it is 1:1
 
@Vickel Spam flags are auto-marked helpful if the post is deleted by anyone other than the OP
(caveat: not sure how that interacts with deletions from review, since OPs can unilaterally undo those...but also that raises an autoflag by itself)
 
@RyanM I thaught I did flag it, but having troubles with the userscripts, re-installing all, so not my spam flag
 
At any rate, if you want a moderator to do something to it at this point, you should custom flag it.
 
12:18 AM
@RyanM I think it is pretty much gone, isn't it?
 
12:53 AM
@Vickel That depends on what you want to achieve. If you want the post itself gone, then there's nothing further to do. If you want the red flag effect (penalties applied to the user, IP block, etc), that hasn't happened afaik, and you'd need to raise a custom flag to ensure a mod evaluates the post.
 
@cigien I spam flagged it, or so I thought, then I found my userscripts needed an re-install, so I'm sorry, I didn't SPAM flag it and now I cant as <10k
 
@Vickel Even if you had spam flagged it, it was finally deleted by regular users, and so it wasn't deleted as spam. If you do want to raise a flag about it, you can raise a flag anywhere and add a link to that question. (I'm not saying that you should, or shouldn't, do this, I'm just pointing out that you can if you want to).
 
@cigien I meta-smoked it with a red flag, so I suppose that should do it? also consider Here are some more details about our startup - https:linktomywebsite... :)
@cigien green flag I mean, obviously on metasmoke
 
1:10 AM
@Vickel Again, it depends on what you want to happen. Giving feedback to SD doesn't make any difference on the site. It's true that there's some SO mods who are very active in both Charcoal and here, so this conversation, as well as your feedback in CHQ, is unlikely to be missed, but it's not guaranteed. It's always better to raise a flag if you want a mod to be alerted.
@Vickel Yeah, I figured :)
 
@cigien it's 2am, I'll follow up tomorrow... now time to zzz
thanks for your input
 
@Vickel Of course. No rush for any of this. Sleep well :)
 
 
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4:22 AM
Bugger ... 3 more hours :)
 
4:58 AM
Hello
 
Hello
How is everyone?
We miss putting trains.
 
\o
long time no see
 
 
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7:30 AM
o/ good morning. Is this link only?
 
@bad_coder yes
@RyanM and Bhargav is seriously on top of that flag queue, wow
 
 
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11:49 AM
@desertnaut pro-tip: if gsubbing "best" for "optimal" makes a question not opinion-based, it never was
 
@JohnDvorak I guess the main improvement was adding a specific criterion: "and what is the highest score we can achieve?"
 
That criterion had always been there
Implied, but still
 
@JohnDvorak you are most probably right, and this was pointed out by another user here yesterday, too. Probably my bad close decision... :(
 
@JohnDvorak Maybe implied but that's not enough. See the revision that was closed.
 
That user was I
 
11:53 AM
@JohnDvorak !!! :D
 
@JeanneDark why not?
 
@JohnDvorak Who is that user now? (You used the past tense, so I was just wondering.)
 
@AdrianMole that's just how English works 🤷‍♂
 
It leaves room for interpretation or can be overlooked and also allows for answers ignoring that criterion and giving much different "best" or "optimal" algorithms. Without clear criteria it becomes kind of opinion-based.
 
@JohnDvorak Is it? I've been speaking, learning and teaching English for a long time. I understand that many (including native speakers) don't really know how the language works, but I like to think I have a better-than-average understanding.
 
11:56 AM
If somebody offers an alternative interpretation of "best", I'd be interested in what that interpretation is - and it could still be a good answer useful for other readers, even if the asker feels misunderstood
 
Primarily opinion-based questions can have good answers that are useful for other readers.
 
12:44 PM
@Zoe The backlog got fairly large at one point, but we managed to burn it back down again. The catch on the size is flagging isn't evenly distributed. Mod flags tend to be the real logjam, with some demanding a lot of time to investigate
 
12:55 PM
@AdrianMole The "was" relates to an action occurring in the past -- in this case, "was pointed out by another user here yesterday"
Also, o/ all
 
@LynnCrumbling Nah. You may infer that but, as it stands, the sentence is clearly and unambiguously structured as: <subject> <verb> <subject complement> (the verb, "to be," never takes an object, but a "subject complement" instead.
 
@Juraj it's easier for everyone if you use one of the standard close reasons, like "general computing" in this case
 
... note, also, that "me" should actually be "I" (because it's not the objective declination).
@LynnCrumbling And, another thing: Never take anything I say in here too seriously, and never take my (admittedly poor) sense of humour to heart.
... unless I'm talking about spam or close/reopen/delete votes, of course.
 
@AdrianMole No worries -- never do :) (with anything on the internet... <grin> )
 
@Juraj I can also only flag but when choosing "Blatantly off-topic" (equivalent of the custom close reason), I usually use a better, but short description, eg. that it's about math, or customer support, or licensing and not about programming etc.
 
1:08 PM
Agree on "I"; it's incorrect, but when used like that, it puts a certain tone on the statement. I can't even find words to describe it.
 
@AdrianMole So it was totally inappropriate of me to have a hearty laugh whenever you posted those? ;)
 
Perhaps someone else can put it into words.
 
@JeanneDark Appropriate only if it was funny spam.
 
@LynnCrumbling Me can't find words to describe it, too.
 
1:21 PM
@JeanneDark 🤣
 
So, a tin of spam walks into a bar...
 
Bartender says, "we don't allow strings in here. Are you a string?" Bar patron replies, "...nope, "I'm a frayed knot."
 
hehe
 
ba dum bum bum
Thanks folks, I'm here all week! Tip your waitress!
#needmorecoffee
 
Here's a tip: Try some new jokes!
 
1:25 PM
laff
 
sdc coffee Lynn
 
@JeanneDark brews a cup of Ristretto for @Lynn
 
googles Ristretto
 
@JeanneDark They gave you Smokey Privileges? I thought you had to be insane, for those.
 
@AdrianMole Did you just call Makyen insane?
 
1:29 PM
@AdrianMole No, a few commands can be used without Smokey privileges
 
Wouldn't have been the first, I guess.
 
But maybe the last one
 
1:59 PM
@AdrianMole They gave me those
!!/amiprivileged
 
@Braiam ✓ You are a privileged user.
 
{Prosecution rests!}
 
@tripleee ok, sorry. OP uses some firmware provided as source code for DIY device and they don't know how to update the firmware after a problem with the device configuration.
@JeanneDark sorry, yes it is general computing
 
@Juraj In this case you can choose "Needs improvement" -> "A community-specific reason" -> "About general computing hardware and software" for flagging instead of "Blatantly off-topic"
 
2:23 PM
 
2:46 PM
@jps Where is link :) ?
 
jps
@Shree there ;)
 
3:02 PM
Post an answer about a web tech. Include "This works in browsers A, B, and C. It doesn't work in X or Y". Get a comment "this doesn't work in browser X yet". No shoot, sherlock...
 
you should make it work in X
 
Zoe
I cv-pls'd this question earlier and managed to miss that someone (not OP) edited in the code from the link (read: now has an on-site MCVE). Does it look improved enough to be reopened? The comments are mildly heated though (3 comments, only from OP, generically targeting "seniors")
 
well, the title isn't useful at all
there's no problem statement
 
@Zoe And they spelt "codez" wrong in "This is my codes:"
 
the problem isn't really described at all, other than something along the lines of my result doesn't look like this image, which wouldn't be findable by future users with a similar problem
effectively, the edit certainly provided adequate context to answer the close reason, but it's still not a great question
 
Zoe
3:16 PM
was sus of that, but wasn't entirely sure where the line goes for HTML questions ^^" Just had to check
 
not quite sure how i'd describe that problem
is it effectively just, vertical center aligning an item in a css grid?
didn't read far enough down in the code
 
@KevinB How come nobody predicted that?
 
3:57 PM
 
@DalijaPrasnikar While the original question is POB, some of those answers do a decent job at providing factual, objective info about choices, and have quite a few upvotes.
Also, sorry for the double-ping-on-edit
that 2nd Q that you del-pls'd ... not so much.
 
@LynnCrumbling If not opinion based it is too broad or recommendation question. Not suitable for Stack Overflow
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Yeah, agree to disagree I guess. If it gets the del votes, so be it.
I mean, it has an answer with A GRAPH. What more do you want? :)
 
To put it on a blog post, not here ;)
This question falls into classic definition of POB, I mean just look at the accepted answer
BLoC - I have a thing against code generation and boilerplate, it's not BLoC, it's me ;-)
Cubit - looks more promising for my style,
 
4:16 PM
C/C++ SMEs, any objection to adding the tag here? The behavior is the same in both languages, answers on the post mention both languages, there's no separate C canonical I can find, and it's used as a target for C questions.
 
Yep, no worries. I get it.
 
@cigien Two of the answers have C++ only code in them, and the top answer quotes the C++ standard so I wouldn't ad the C tag. Looks like you could use this as your canonical: stackoverflow.com/questions/689677/…
 
@NathanOliver Oh, nice. I completely missed that one. In fact, it looks like the one I linked should be closed as a dupe of yours.
 
4:33 PM
I could get behind that
 
@NathanOliver Hmm, OP is claiming a distinction between "what" and "why". They're not going to reopen, but they disagree with the dupe (they just added a comment, if you want to pitch in).
 
If they are going to leave it as, I'm fine with that. Hopefully it will help as more of a sign post as my googling of what does casting to void in C mean gave me the C++ post as the first result.
 
How many of you click the "send" button in chat?
 
never...
 
there's a send button?.. oh, there is
 
4:51 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah, it's borderline. I'm comfortable with the closure, but I wouldn't really resist if the OP were to object. Since they're fine with it, it's all ok.
 
Yeah, someone is asking on meta that they make the button bigger... I don't think I ever clicked it.
 
5:14 PM
@tripleee It wasn't my intention to request someone to close it. I flagged it long back and I was wondering why it wasn't closed yet. That's it. I hope "cv-pls" means close votes please. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@tripleee 👍🏽
@cigien Thank you for the information!
 
 
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6:37 PM
 
7:05 PM
Should be fixed: When you review an answer/question and select Edit, every time the result is "Edit queue is full". It should not be possible to get to an editable text, if the queue is full.
Should this be posted on meta or?
 
@Gowiser Are you looking for something like this?
 
@cigien Ty. It becomes pretty irritating, when you add formating and indentation, and then get that message. The result in the long run, will be that I just don't care about reviewing
 
7:28 PM
@Gowiser Yes, it can be frustrating when effort is wasted. There's some suggestions here that may help with the issue (I haven't tried them out).
 
if only there were a way to... like, get more edits approved with less reviews
 
7:42 PM
@KevinB Keep a counter foreach user of the ratio accepted vs rejected edits. If high, then just approve the edit automatically
 
@KevinB There is such a way if you're interested
 
@snakecharmerb Seems like we need 2 internets. One where you only have 1 account for all things. And a free one, like 25+ years ago
@snakecharmerb It would quickly weed out all those people.
 
@Gowiser You want to weed out the editor or the person who voted to approve? ;-)
 
@snakecharmerb no comment /:=(
 
@snakecharmerb Not enough facepalms there
 
7:52 PM
@snakecharmerb It's an evil dude from 20th century that would recruit both of them immediately.
 
@Gowiser nope ...
 
Is there a good reason that this remains deleted? stackoverflow.com/questions/69290211/…
 
@snakecharmerb Ups, edited the chat instead of posting a new: /:=( = hitler
 
@Machavity i'd like the role purely from a being part of the solution aspect, but really not interested in participating in flag queues or review queues
 
@KevinB Yeah, moderation isn't for everyone
 
7:57 PM
@Machavity I moderated code for a MUD back in the days. I quit after the same player unzipped his old code 3 times, after I had spend 3 days fixing his code 3 times. Ie an entire area.
@Machavity He was a moderator too. Not the one you want on your server/site.
 
i'd prefer a more... quick process toward getting away from even making suggested edits. say, once you're above 90% accepted with 40 or more edits, you can make n edits a day without them going to review. If you drop below that threshold, back to the queues. sortof along that same vein of moving things away from strictly rep based
of course, that will alter the whole... edit like crazy to earn all the rep you can from editing before you can no longer suggest edits
 
8:14 PM
How would you drop below 90% once your edits don't go into review any more?
 
you'd have to make more than n edits a day
anything after that goes to review
i'd suggest setting that value based on the avg edits someone who regularly edits does a day
would also have to deal with how to put people back into the suggested edit mode if they get flagged edits
 
I'd also appreciate a solution where people who like doing things and do them well are allowed to do more of it.
 
8:36 PM
@Machavity finally!
@halfer you think you'll hit 100k posts edited this year?
@Gowiser ah MUDs... there's a name I haven't heard in a long time
 
@TylerH You running? ;)
 
8:53 PM
Nope, still no time to commit to it. Unless my life situation changes drastically that likely won't change.
Maybe if it were a small site, but no way I could commit to the time SO would take each day.
 
if i won the lottery i'd do it
 
@TylerH I'm slowing down a fair bit, I find - but maybe! 😌
That there @Dharman shall soon be catching me up 🏆
 
9:10 PM
@KevinB Oh sure if I didn't have to work all day
Then I could just write the code I wanna write
 
exactly
 
@KevinB First, you gotta buy a ticket!
 
indeed
i've never done so
if i never buy a ticket, i'll never lose
 
9:40 PM
@KevinB 🚽 ... But, I'm in the 'pan' just now. One month without a single cigarette (and y'all wonder why I'm cranky). I'm on the 'vapes', instead ... we'll see how that works out.
 
9:51 PM
@AdrianMole Insanity is only required for privileges above Reviewer.
@AdrianMole Congrats!
 
@AdrianMole Strong work
 
@IanCampbell IIRC, you're an actual quack ... so you maybe understand the script. Vaping is not, of itself, a good habit, but it's surely less harmful than inhaling part-burnt leaves, with all the CO, cyanide, tar, etc., etc. ...
... my body says, just now: Jury's out!
 
Yes, I was just thinking that in contrast to my government, your government recommends vaping as an alternative to smoking. I'm with your government.
 
Vaping laws in the USA are state/city based, is not? I heard it's illegal in San Francisco ...
 
@AdrianMole I believe it's just flavored ones here. Vaping itself is perfectly legal.
 
9:58 PM
... but you can smoke a full-power Skunk joint with impunity.
 
I meant that the US government organization that makes recommendations does not recommend vaping in place of smoking. In contrast, the NHS recommends vaping as a way to stop smoking.
 
that was more of a... thing to curb kids from using it iirc
wrt to the flavored stuff
 
The people (adults) I know that vape still use flavored vape liquid, they just order it from elsewhere now.
 
ATM, I have "tropical mango" flavoured juice (the shop was right out of tobacco flavour). Meh. Whatever floats the boat.
 
@AdrianMole you'll never stop smoking with a "smoking replacement" like a gum or vapor, IMHO. You stop or don't stop. Anyway if you want to stop, it's only in your head, you need to fight the temptations, on the first day 20 temptations, 2nd day 18, and less and less each day. You'll most likely gain some weight since your love for food and drinks will increase.... good luck :)
 
@Vickel "it's only in your head" No, nicotine withdrawal has plenty of symptoms outside of the mind.
 
@RyanM I've not experienced any nicotine withdrawal effects, when I stopped
at all
^hope that helps someone :)
 
@Vickel I'm afraid well structured randomized controlled trials disagree with you.
 
@IanCampbell Just telling my own experience...
 
10:52 PM
I should say that I'm not advocating for not quitting, but depending on the person there could be physical symptoms (see, e.g., WebMD)
 
I've put on a nice belly..., so I'm not sure what's better: a slim smoker or fat non smoker
 
@IanCampbell is the risk ratio there the ratio of treatment success vs "minimal or usual care"?
 
@Vickel That question has been decided too, smoking is worse.
 
@IanCampbell Wow that is far more on-point than I expected.
 
For the gum, it's "Versus placebo unless otherwise noted"
@RyanM I know right, smoking being worse was something I just knew, but then I found that really nice reference.
 
10:57 PM
@IanCampbell Ah, yeah. I've never seen Risk Ratio used to describe a good outcome.
 
@IanCampbell A friend of mine is doing the gum once a year, lasts 1 month, maybe 6 weeks, then back to "normal" (smokes again) so it doesn't really help, if you don't double up your mental issue with treating the addiction of smoking
 
@Vickel I'm not saying any one thing works for a given person, I'm just saying that across a population worth of people, the evidence is clear.
 
@IanCampbell The easiest would be never to start, but tell that a 12-16y old
 
@RyanM Yeah, that is a little weird. Not sure I've seen a better way to describe it.
@Vickel So true
 
@Vickel I agree, 100%. But, I do want to quit (I can feel the harm it's doing to me). In the (recent) past, I've come close to quitting - for example, did so for ~2-3 weeks when I was away in Thailand (different, less stressed environment). Then, when I get back to wonderful Glasgow, and go down the pub, the "*** hits the fan and, in one night out, I can end up buying (and smoking) a whole packet of (20) ciggies. ...
... now, I have a system that breaks that 'habit' part of the habit (if you get what I mean). I'm happy to take on the new 'bad habit', if that gets the old (far more harmful) one gone. Then, maybe 6-12 months down the road, I can deal with breaking the nw habit (which is, as it happens, far less impulsive).
 
11:07 PM
@AdrianMole I really would like to help you. Myself I managed to stop. It's possible! Anyway it's all in your head, it's about the temptations the demons to fight, sometimes driving into the sunset near the coast it just calls me "smoke a fag", but I say no thanks... that after many years quitting
 
... and I can do that now (say "no," I mean). So-called 'pals' have come out to me, seeing me puffing at the vape, and offered me a "real" smoke. I have absolutely no problem saying, "No, thanks." We all have our ways and means.
 
@AdrianMole sure that helps :) it's mainly your head you need to take care of, I doubt you have any nicotine withdrawal symptoms, except leaving the bar last :) ?
 
Nicotine was (I think) never the problem ... it's the habit that comes with it. (I tried gum and patches, no joy). But now, I have a reason to not want to smoke ... a wee lady out east who (for all her faults) actually likes me, and wants to have as many years as possible in my company. I want my life back!
... and I'll get my life back, or die trying. xD
 
@AdrianMole so cool, now fight for it, to please that relationship!! for me it was a 2 way road: the temptation intensity and the temptation frequency, both get smaller each day... really
 
Yeah, I know. 3-6 weeks is the "danger zone," I've heard.
 
11:17 PM
it's more like 6-8
@AdrianMole Adrian, it's only in your head, nothing else...
 
Anyway, I've chosen to quit, so I'll quit ...
... have done, already, in fact!
 
@AdrianMole good!!
 
But thanks for the vote of support. All such are appreciated.
 
@AdrianMole I know this is not easy... Never stop getting a nice drink, so!
 
To quit drinking would be a ... somewhat different ... issue.
 
11:22 PM
I thought it's impossible to have a drink a not a smoke at the same time....I was wrong :)
 
On the bright side, you've chosen the most harmful one to stop first!
 
... I have never had issues with alcohol addiction. I just drink to make other people more interesting.
 
@IanCampbell depends on what you judge "a drink" would be
 
When I was in school, we'd rotate at the Veteran's Administration hospital. There we'd ask by default, "How many 12 packs of beer would you say you drink in an average day?"
 
@AdrianMole once you stopped smoking, you can join my 6 month smoothy diet days or the other 6 month :)
 
11:26 PM
hehe - An ex GP I had once told me that the official definition of an alcoholic was someone who drank more than their GP.
 
@IanCampbell several?
 
The number of people who answered "only one or two" was quite the learning experience.
 
here in Portugal a 12 pack is corresponding to 2.4l to 3.96l
 
In the US, if we consider the most popular beer by volume sold, a "twelve pack" is 179mL of pure ethanol. I'm pretty sure I would be incapacitated.
 
@IanCampbell and it's most likely Budweiser ... which is not really considered a beer, isn't it?
 
11:33 PM
Haha, yes, Bud Lite. I agree, not worth drinking.
 
@IanCampbell it's a never ending WC call
 

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