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5:31 AM
@tripleee OP edited to add code (may still be unclear, though)
 
@RyanM seems so
 
Kind of want a canonical meta question for "is 'why isn't my heuristic-based computer vision algorithm detection the thing it's supposed to?" on-topic for Stack Overflow?"
(to which I suspect the answer would be "no")
 
@RyanM I see a lot of questions that say "X does not work as expected" and there is a common problem. The OP doesn't know how X works. For any value of X.
 
@RyanM s/detection/detecting/
 
So, I guess if you just imagine that something should work in some fashion, then that doesn't actually mean it will work that way. I suspect the detection heuristics might fall under the same umbrella.
 
5:37 AM
@VLAZ as in, a lot of people ask about the same thing and a canonical SO question could be used as a duplicate for such situations? Or the problem is consistently "OP fails to understand the core concepts of what they're doing" which manifests in unpredictable ways that aren't useful to have on the site?
 
machine learning problems are particularly pesky because a newcomer who just wants to try things out might assume that there are knobs you can tweak, rather than a black box which works or doesn't
 
Yeah.
 
The latter. If you never knew how X works, it's hard to expect it to work. I don't think there is a meta post that can really explain that. It's just insufficient (read: basically no) research.
 
And often there's no sample input data, so there's no even a way to confirm if it's a logic error or the neural net just decided your small fluffy dog was a cat today because it doesn't really understand the difference.
 
5:43 AM
@VLAZ Well that's obviously a cog. Or a dat.
 
6:00 AM
@RyanM does deleting the duplicate target invalidate the duplicate close vote? that's kind of annoying in this particular case...
 
6:34 AM
^ Uh R/A?
 
That's what I went with, that's total nonsense.
 
 
 
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8:18 AM
hiya, is this kind of question on-topic? Can someone decode this javascript? (old, 2011)
 
 
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10:50 AM
@Dharman Does a bot of yours do these edits?
 
I would have removed the emoji's as well ....
if I would edit that is ...
 
Well, it blatantly misses the "Please don't downvote" bit.
 
Yeah, I understand why you trigger on that
 
Yes, the best way to phrase it is "Please do downvote!"
 
downvote first, fix later
 
10:57 AM
Downvote hard, party harder.
 
@tripleee RO please trash; OP updated and I have posted an answer (though still a duplicate really)
 
"Please do n't downvote"
 
@E_GAT4 but due to current pandemic rulez, stay well clear of posts to prevent infections ....
 
Downvote from at least 2m distance.
 
Wear a mask, clean flag all dirty surfaces.
 
11:12 AM
@E_GAT4 yes, and it works well most of the time. Sometimes there's more to fix, but a bot can only catch as much.
 
Any C# hammer-holder around who feels like sorting out the (probably incorrect) dupe target/source order on this post?
... a hammer in would also work. :-)
 
11:43 AM
@AdrianMole it seems Machiavity was having some copy/paste problems
 
hehe
66 upvotes for a red-flagged post. That must be a record!
 
11:55 AM
Morning
 
12:21 PM
Oops, nevermind,.... it's gone
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I give them the benefit of the doubt in these cases. If they do it again, we can nail them harder
 
@Machavity Thank you for the feedback
 
12:58 PM
@MrUpsidown wait, what is it about then?
 
It's obviously about "how to get premium plan features" and/or "how can I get a larger image" which to me sounds just like "where is the documentation?"
 
1:17 PM
@MrUpsidown I always comment those with "what did the docs say and what didn't you understand?" and close as unclear. :D
 
@Braiam that would be a valid reason too. And I am sure it's a duplicate anyway but don't have time to search now. I did provide further info in the comments.
 
1:42 PM
It's not something I want to do but just contemplating - would it be an abuse of a gold badge hammer to close and reopen a post if it has a dupe vote but the dupe target is wrong?
 
Can't you just edit it?
 
@Braiam It's more of a hypothetical. I've seen it a few times and I usually just follow in order to unhammer the question if it gets closed (so far, that hasn't happened).
The latest one I saw was a JS question where somebody suggested a C# dupe target. About concepts that have similar names but are in no way the same accross the two languages.
 
That would be a waste of your vote since if it points to the wrong dupe you can edit it for free
 
No, it's not dupe closed. Only has a single vote.
 
Well, you can unilaterally close it against a target, and if it somehow ends up in the list, you can remove it.
 
1:48 PM
To the best of my knowledge, the questions I've seen weren't dupes. Otherwise, that is what I do if I find somebody proposed the wrong dupe - I close against the right one and remove the wrong one.
 
2:17 PM
I think this question is a duplicate (as noted in my comment). However, although the Q has two tags I follow (C++ and WinAPI) I'd prefer some others to confirm/deny before I hammer it as such. Any mouse experts here?
... I just don't see how any answer to the new question would not be equally relevant to the earlier one.
 
@AdrianMole I think it is a duplicate as well but I am not a SME
the target is OS-agnostic, even
 
I'll give it a while. OP may agree, and WinAPI is a well-watched tag with some 'Big Boys' in the fray.
It's one of those cases where I would like my close vote to offer the OP a "Does this answer your question?" popup.
 
2:33 PM
Your manual comment achieves just that, I think... at least insofar as giving the OP an opportunity to respond and say "yes" or "no"
:-)
 
Meh. I closed it. I guess my hammer has a claw on the other end, so I can just as quickly reopen, should the OP object (in a convincing manner).
 
the Mjolnir has no claw
 
PHP is all claw
 
@Machavity So, I've heard
 
2:44 PM
@KevinB But my hammer is in C++, so it's a Mjölnir++ :-P
 
@AdrianMole I think you're just observing undefined behaviour in the Mjölnir standard that your current compiler interprets as a claw.
 
Anyway, OP seems a tad disgruntled that I closed it. Hmm...
 
No good deed goes unpunished.
 
3:05 PM
@AdrianMole they seem potentially open to a bounty on the target Q, based on ongoing conversations...
 
3:29 PM
Is this worthy of a red flag, or just NAA?
 
NAA I'd say
How do people keep posting customer requests on SO?
 
I gave it NAA and a delete vote (the latter for good measure).
 
@AdrianMole I threw a delete vote at it
 
@VLAZ If the question had the SQL tag, they'd likely get a reply. :-)
 
If you wait a few days I can also throw a 10k del vote
@AdrianMole xD
 
3:38 PM
@VLAZ I asked about this on meta, and specifically point 2 is your question. The consensus, if IIUC, seems to be that casting a vote in a direction you disagree with is fine only if your vote wouldn't change the final outcome, i.e. if the post already has 2 CVs, and both CVs are as dupes, then using your hammer to close and reopen is fine.
In any other case, e.g. if there's only one CV, or there are 2, but at least one is not as a dupe, then using your hammer to close is problematic, since the post might have been closed in a way that wouldn't allow you to reopen unilaterally.
fwiw, I agree with the 2 negatively scored answers; wait for the post to actually get into the state you disagree with, and then do what you want to. Shortcuts are best left to mods :)
It may even be the case that the exception mentioned above was a result of my question appearing to be accusing a specific user of abuse (not my intent at all), and their defending the action. It can be rather hard to tell what users are thinking on Meta, and how much is about the general case vs the specific instance; I should have done a better job of framing the question to begin with
 
@cigien That's what I usually do. If I find a dupe closure vote I don't think is correct, I comment to the author with my reasoning. And I also follow the post to see if it gets closed.
As I said, so far it hasn't actually happened. I was just musing whether it'd be acceptable.
 
Yeah, it's probably acceptable in very specific cases, but is best avoided generally. I've certainly had occasion to use it if allowed :/
 
4:10 PM
@VLAZ a lot of this is still relevant
 
4:39 PM
Anyone care to award me two gold badges and a wee upvote - that would make for some pretty statistics. i.stack.imgur.com/wVNRx.png
 
there's not a way to manually color code a specific color in a post, is there?
 
@TylerH As in Markdown?
 
No, html strips style tags.
 
@VLAZ yeah like code syntax highlighting but manually
 
Yeah, nothing, unfortunately.
 
4:50 PM
dang
 
You can...take a picture of your code editor. It's quite popular...
 
You can use html to apply b/i tags for code formatting
Basically <pre><code><b>bolded code</b></code></pre>
 
@AdrianMole I think you need to get 258 gold badges, 278 bronze badges, and one upvote and it will look perfect.
Optionally, you can also get 300 silver badges. But no pressure.
 
5:13 PM
@VLAZ I find it out of focus
 
5:25 PM
My cv-pls request above was answered by none other than 1.1M Gordon Linoff. Yikes
 
"there is no code. stackoverflow forced me to write it"
 
valid argument
@HovercraftFullOfEels not entirely unexpected
given voting history
 
@TylerH As @Braiam mentioned, the only thing you can do is use HTML to manually format the <pre><code> blocks. Doing so allows you to apply any of the SE-allowed HTML formatting to the text within the code block (e.g. bold, italics, superscript, subscripts, etc.). However, based on what I recall from a couple of Meta posts, the syntax highlighting may strip even that once it's run in the page.
 
BDL
Has the *-pls userscript stopped working? I'm no longer getting the cv-pls menu in chrome?
 
5:43 PM
@BDL There was a BIG CSS change that broke it. This should be a working version: github.com/SO-Close-Vote-Reviewers/UserScripts/raw/…
 
BDL
@NathanOliver: Thx, that fixed it :)
 
5:58 PM
:)
 
6:16 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Funny, I would use case statements.
 
never
 
6:57 PM
 
 
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8:28 PM
hey, someone other than Machavity posting a SEO cv-pls... that's weird :-P
 
@TylerH Well, I can do that if you want me to :P
 
dbc
@Machavity Can you actually vote to close something without actually closing it?
 
@dbc No. When you vote, the system then checks if you're a mod and makes it binding. Sometimes I flag spam and it acts like I'm a normal user for a second or two
 
8:49 PM
needs more focus is such a weird way of saying too broad
 
Among other issues
 
too broad should be a top level
 
I agree (though it already is top level); the description should be reverted to show that it covers questions which are... too broad in scope, rather than just talking about 'multiple questions in one'
 
top level meaning, you select it, then you can be more specific on the type of too broad
 
ah I see
interesting idea
 
9:03 PM
multiple distinct questions, an adequate answer would be too large, too many issues, etc
the goal in the end is providing the asker with the information they need to fix it
 
Would kinda be nice if the CV options were checkboxes rather than radio buttons
 
if it makes it easier to a close voter to confidently choose a close reason that actually matches the reason they think it should be closed, that's a bonus
 
A huge portion of questions are both opinion-based and asking for a resource/tool/tutorial
It makes me sad that I have to pick between those two for such Qs
 
@TylerH Not quite there yet but a future change to the reopen queue will allow to select a reason for leaving closed and update the close notice with multiple reasons
 
@Tomerikoo An update to the reopen queue will let you add close reasons?
That doesn't sound right
 
9:10 PM
I'm pretty sure I understood it correctly. Check Changing the question reopening experience heading 2 in the question
 
Interesting
Looks like it adds that info as "additional commentary" in the banner, not quite the same as the 1st class "reasons"
 
Yeah exactly I was about to add that. Still, as I said, kind of a step in the right direction...
 
When a post is done being reviewed and found to not be reopen worthy, is the asker notified?
given another chance to edit?
 
@blackgreen No, don't ask others to vote to delete. Rather it should be flagged as spam. This is much more detrimental to the poster than having the question closed.
 
 
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