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12:57 AM
 
1:30 AM
Any thoughts on what this question needs to be on-topic? It was written before sites like superuser existed. The question is common and the non-obvious solution has helped many folks. The solution is generic but with a specific example. Given the interest in the question it seems odd to just delete it. stackoverflow.com/questions/8543214/…
 
1:44 AM
@Adam I don’t think the question can be made on-topic. However, I strongly agree that deleting it is counterproductive. I’ve undeleted it.
 
@Adam You can safely delete it, we already have something that is equivalent unix.stackexchange.com/q/121314/41104
Wait, you have an answer on that question.
 
@Makyen This is the Pro version. It still reboots itself. I’ve found no way to turn it off. It is very, very annoying, because I have a lot of state that I need I save. Whether it’s output in a terminal window, arrangement of windows, or whatever else, I don’t want it to disappear.
 
@CodyGray I'm not quickly finding which method I used to do it (years ago). If I were to need to do it again, I'd probably start with this Google search.
I do recall that the method I used is not possible on Windows Home (or at least wasn't possible on Windows Home at that time).
The method I used results in Windows still checking for updates, but just notifying me that updates are available. I then have an unlimited amount of time to choose to manually start the update process.
 
2:25 AM
@Makyen I have another laptop with Home. I tried all the methods I could Google there, but none worked. For a while, I had success in keeping it not plugged in so it couldn’t reboot while I wasn’t using it, but a few versions ago, it has started to just reboot itself and install updates while on battery power. Which is absolutely crazy, and has resulted in issues from it dying and/or overheating from the lid being closed while doing updates.
Now, I’ve gone in and deleted the files responsible for Windows Update. Not sure if that’s going to work. But I’m more than ready to go nuclear.
For the work laptop with Pro, I also remember trying nearly everything I could Google and not having very much success. There is a way to pause/defer for… up to 30 days. But after that, you’re iced out. Is that what you’re referring to? You said “unlimited”, though, so… I’m very interested.
 
@CodyGray I haven't looked into doing it with the Home version for a few years. At the time I did look into it, there was no non-nuclear way to permanently configure Home to stop. Configuring the Pro version to stop was relatively easy IIRC.
@CodyGray No, unlimited. I haven't explicitly tested if there's a limit, but there's no countdown. A family member's machine on which I also did it has only gotten updates when I've done them for the family member, which has sometimes been a few/several months apart in time.
 
@Makyen This is like telling me you have a money tree in your backyard that grows $100 bills. I need this. I guess if I know it’s possible, I can spend some more time looking and trying things.
 
@CodyGray I'll look around more. I'll check to see if I kept a record of what I did and/or where I got the information.
 
2:51 AM
Technically all trees grow money. You just need to ???. It's also highly illegal.
 
@CodyGray It looks like I used gpedit.msc, then Computer Configuration -> Administrative Templates -> Windows Components -> Windows Update. Double click/open "Configure Automatic Updates". Then under "Options", I, personally, chose "3 - Auto download and notify for install", but "2 - Notify for download and notify for install" should work.
I probably got the instructions from here under Option 3, or at least I visited that page around when I would have been looking for how to do it (or looking again for how I had previously done it in order to do it on an additional machine). The instructions there say security updates will still be installed automatically, but that's not my experience, and my machine definitely doesn't auto-reboot.
I generally prefer that the updates are downloaded automatically, as I rarely notice when they are being downloaded in the background and prefer not to wait for the download when I actually want to update.
 
@JohnDvorak If we're in the realm of "technically," technically that's not true in the US. US currency is 25% linen.
 
@Makyen You probably also have to click "Enabled" in the dialog opened for "Configure Automatic Updates".
 
I did specifically mention growing $100 bills… so that nitpick seems like it doesn’t really fit.
 
Maybe they're Canadian dollars?
 
2:58 AM
You have a tree that grows those?
 
Nope
 
@CodyGray Note, however, that once I manually start the update process, Windows will, if needed, auto-reboot at its next configured opportunity, if I haven't rebooted it manually after the updates. However, that's never really been a problem, as I don't start the update process unless I'm planning to reboot anyway.
 
@Makyen Right, of course. I’ll have to try that. What’s been especially frustrating is that this computer has been failing to install updates, but that hasn’t kept it from restarting to try. Then it fails. So I’ve had all the frustration of updates, with no updates. I finally fixed the update failure by manually installing the next build of Windows. None of the normal troubleshooting steps would fix it. That consumed a lot of troubleshoting time for something I get no benefit from
Thanks for digging out the possible steps.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, I've had exactly the same experience on one family member's laptop. It would take hours to try to do the update, then a hour or two to back it out when it failed. Unfortunately, this was a Home machine, so it would do that every day and fail each time. I ended up having to reinstall Windows.
@CodyGray np. I'm happy to help.
 
 
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4:33 AM
@Makyen I’ve seen it happen a couple of times where Windows Update just stops working. I’ve had very good luck with just manually installing the update to the next version. That usually fixes it, without having to reinstall all of Windows.
In case it happens again… :-)
 
@CodyGray Oh, I definitely tried that. It didn't work.
 
You’d think before they try to force these updates down our throats, they’d get the servicing mechanism working a bit better.
 
Yeah, one would think, or at least hope.
I do appreciate the suggestion. As best I was able to determine, there was an earlier update installed which was the wrong version for the laptop (required manufacturer specific version). When Windows tried to install new updates it failed near the end of the process, so had a long task of backing the current attempt out. However, separately it wasn't able to back out the earlier, incorrect, update and wasn't able to go back to a state prior to the incorrect update.
 
4:52 AM
I’ve never seen an update version that was manufacturer specific. That’s very odd.
 
5:32 AM
Thank you @CodyGray :)
 
6:04 AM
@Espresso To me, someone without any subject-matter expertise at all, it isn't obviously apparent what details or clarity that question is lacking. In these cases where it isn't obvious, I like to encourage people requesting closure to leave a comment with specific advice to the asker on what information they need to add into their question.
 
6:15 AM
From the right vantage point, that could be a programming question.
 
In that case maybe needs more focus or details or clarity?
 
Is it unclear or unfocused? I am having trouble convincing myself of that.
I think the only real question is whether they're asking this as a programmer or as a user.
If it were me, I'd probably go and leave a danged old comment.
Based on their previous questions, it appears that they are developing some kind of "accessibility service".
Hehe. I found a duplicate. Now, we can argue about the topicality of that one.
 
@CodyGray when I flagged it, it has a few lines
 
@Espresso Ah, OK. They must have edited during the grace period, because nothing shows up in the revision history. Do you still see issues with the question that would warrants its closure? Or have the problems been addressed since you raised the initial flag?
@JeanneDark Dear Lord.
Thanks at least for bringing a voting sockpuppet account to my attention.
 
6:30 AM
Me?
 
Indirectly. I found it while I was trying to download more RAM.
 
Have you found out how to? I've been looking for hours, too!
 
I think so, but I'm still waiting on it to finish. It's a very large file!
 
Just because you're so greedy and want too much ;)
 
That is probably the 2021 version of RAM. It is bloated ....
 
6:34 AM
I think it's because I don't have enough RAM to hold it.
First, the Dance Dance Revolution, now the Slider Revolution?
The world is changing too much for me.
 
@CodyGray The Question Is Pretty Clear
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (question was ninja-edited with additional info after request was posted)
 
7:12 AM
Is this question okay? My request seems to have been ignored. To me it looks too braod, and also asks for recommendations.
 
@JeanneDark No, it's not even close to being OK.
There is one whole close vote there, at least.
 
Is this question on-topic?
 
Thanks!
 
Oh, and is it okay to make a cv-pls request on a question if the last activity is a suggested edit?
 
If you weren't the editor
 
7:17 AM
@oguzismail My gut says yes... They're trying to build the library, not merely install it, so that should be within our scope.
 
See rule #11: "have recent activity on the question (recent answers, edits not made by you, or suggested edits)"
 
But... it may be that they don't need to be building it, since they claim they are just trying to "install" it.
@JeanneDark Ah, so that doesn't say that the suggested edit cannot be made by you! ;-)
 
Thanks @JeanneDark
 
@CodyGray I'd say that's covered because then still the edit was made by you. But the interesting corner case is the requester approving a suggested edit just so it has recent activity and they can make a cv-pls request in here ;)
 
@CodyGray Yeah I guess it's on-topic, nvm
 
7:21 AM
But maybe the mere suggestion of an edit already counts as activity
 
I actually think that's what is meant, and reasonable.
If there's problematic content attracting suggested edits, then it's better that we deal with that content than let edits get suggested and need to get reviewed.
 
I agree with you
 
Of course!
 
People only disagree with you when they're wrong ;)
 
7:33 AM
@oguzismail Having missed the announcement is no excuse.
The rules apply equally to everyone. :-)
 
I'm too young to die :c
 
So you still have plenty of time to close questions?
 
Nah, not taking the risk
 
7:48 AM
Haha, that's... the exact opposite of anything I've ever wanted to do.
 
 
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9:02 AM
^but also completely unclear
 
Hi. This question stackoverflow.com/questions/68030421/… was closed/deleted, probably because it shows no effort. However, this question hasn't been asked on SO before, nor does any answer (that I could find) contain the answer. Any thoughts? (I don't care about the 40rep, I just feel that the question/answer could be useful in the future to anyone having a similar problem, despite the OP not putting in any effort)
 
@Vega Then how can you know for sure that it's not about programming? ;-)
@Dada "Probably because it shows no effort" — Um, come again? Showing no effort is neither a close reason nor a delete reason. At most, it's a downvote reason.
@Dada Looks like there were some very confused close-voters (and commenters). I'm cleaning that up now; thanks for mentioning it.
 
@CodyGray I know that it's not a reason to close/delete, however, quite a few people do, and I see no other reason for the close/delete
@CodyGray Thanks for your help. Have a nice day :)
 
Would you agree it's a duplicate of the question Håkon proposed?
 
@CodyGray It was clearly not about programming, but unclear what they wanted :)
 
9:09 AM
No, because this question talks about arrays rather than strings. The answer, however, is "change your string into an array, then compute the permutations, then change the result in a string". In my opinion, it is thus not a duplicate, but others may disagree.
 
@Dada Ah, I see. That's kind of what I figured.
 
And I've search "[perl] string permutation" on SO, and no question/answer matches this one: they are all about arrays, or about permutations with some caveat (eg, like this one stackoverflow.com/questions/41927693/…)
 
This is a case we're discussed before. I think @cigien started an excellent Meta discussion about it. Basically, how many dots are you "allowed" to connect when marking a question as a duplicate. Is it reasonable to close a question as a dupe when you essentially have to leave a comment that says, "First, convert the string to an array, and then it's a dupe of ..."?
 
... and what was the 'decision'?
 
Wait, we're supposed to make decisions?
I thought the fun was just in having the discussion.
 
9:15 AM
OK. I'll defer my question to another time and place.
 
Why don't you start a Meta discussion about how we know when consensus is really reached and when we have really "decided" an issue?
(But don't, really, because I'm 99% sure that's a dupe.)
 
@kvantour Isn't it a typo?
 
@CodyGray First start a meta discussion about whether to start a meta discussion about when a decision is reached.
 
That would be decisive.
 
9:19 AM
TL;DW
 
@Vega you could see it that way, indeed. The typo, however, created an interesting question (answered in all the comments). The cleanest would be to rewrite the question completely or writing a new question.
 
@Vega rather a misunderstanding. but yeah, the duplicate target doesn't address the difference between a process substitution and a command substitution, I don't see any harm in keeping that question open
 
@CodyGray All right, I'm OK with that. I personally would not have dupe-closed, but I understand why others would :)
 
@Dada Yeah...I don't feel super comfortable being the one to make the call, because I don't speak Perl. But I think the community will probably be slightly happier with that closed.
 
Personally, I believe that the 99% of the bash,sed,awk,... questions could be closed as duplicate of a sequence of non-existing atomized high-level questions
 
9:22 AM
We'll wait for you to create all of those non-existing atomized Q&A first.
 
@kvantour That's actually manageable for the bash tag. Can't say the same about others
 
@CodyGray Yup yup that makes sense. From the reception this question had from the Perl people, I think you made the right call. Also, my answer is still there for anyone who has the same question in the future
 
We have a big problem with people misunderstanding and misapplying our close reasons.
 
Well, I think that a lot of fairly high-rep users don't go too often on meta (which is fine IMO), and thus close/delete according to their own understanding of the rules rather than according to the community consensuses. Good luck to solve this issue :x
 
Not sure Meta is helping, but... otherwise all true. :-)
 
9:34 AM
I think it is (at least a little): I know that "no effort" is not a reason for close-vote because I've seen it plenty of times on Meta...
 
Haha, well, someone reads my comments. ;-)
 
@Dada Those lots of fairly high-rep users should go to meta and change the consensus then ;)
 
I might have seen your name on Meta before, indeed ;)
 
@JeanneDark Yes, because, as you can learn in an engaging discussion over on the global Meta, these sites are democratically governed by the community.
 
In my humble opinion, the problem and solution of "no effort" is often misunderstood, especially in case of so called homework questions. It's like people just expected the OP to post some terrible code and that shows effort and then it's fine. But that is a bit like showing research by adding "I searched for hours and found nothing".
The effort should show in the question itself, eg. you try to do your homework and then come across a specific, generic problem like how to turn X into why or what to do about error Y. That would be useful for others, narrowly scoped and might not even need code in a question.
That's just based on how I look for help on SO and what info interests me when looking at the question itself.
 
9:49 AM
Looks like a spree...
 
@AdrianMole No, if you keep on rolling back an automatic flag will be raised eventually
 
Different posts.
@JeanneDark Two rollbacks by the same user will auto-flag.
 
@AdrianMole Also raises an automatic flag
 
First a spree, then a Shree. :-) What happens if Shree goes on a spree ... who knows?
 
@AdrianMole Wheeeeeeee!
@JeanneDark When did your opinion become "humble"? Gosh, I truly have been away too long!
 
9:55 AM
@AdrianMole You mean a "Shpree"?
 
You shound like Sean Connery.
 
@CodyGray It has always been. I'm the humblest person ever
 
@JeanneDark Naturally, I completely agree with this. With the caveat that an extremely narrowly-scoped "how to" question is completely fine, independent of research effort. (If it's a dupe many times over, then that's a fair reason to downvote on the basis of no research effort. And obviously a reason to close as a dupe.)
 
10:36 AM
@CodyGray Spoke too soon?
 
@AdrianMole Not sure what you mean. I was making an "eee" joke.
 
Username on that last SD report was "wee"
 
Oh.
Didn't even notice before I disappeared them.
 
Talking about incorrect Close reasons ... I see a lot of "Needs focus" votes cast for the 'old' reason (which was "Too broad"). But that now means "more than one question." I generally use "Needs details..." but I'm often outvoted 2:1, so my reason never shows. Time to revisit that reason?
 
Long past time.
Specifically, we need to put it back to what it used to be.
 
10:48 AM
Many people are still using it as though it never changed. Is that the fault of the new message, or the fault of the inertial old users?
 
I absolutely am still using it as if it never changed.
Because the new description just forgot something important.
 
And other diamond-bearing colleagues, too.
 
Is it really wrong to use "needs more focus" for questions that are too broad, even if they are technically not asking multiple questions (like q1, q2, ...)?
Else "more focus" is a bit too narrow
 
Else "more focus" is a bit too narrow ... is that a deliberate pun?
 
10:50 AM
@JeanneDark Right. And "lacks clarity" is too broad.
@AdrianMole Look at the user card?
 
Coffee not working.
 
"How to create a new operating system from scratch?" doesn't need more focus, maybe a few details.
 
@CodyGray Looks like their improvements need improvement
 
Maybe we need a focus group?
 
10:54 AM
I can't focus on anything.
 
I'll call rene.
 
In my, again very humble, opinion, "Needs improvement" is the worst of them and causes the most grief (judging by the declined VLQ flags popping up on MSO regularly)
 
@ThomasWeller Given code isn't code; it appears to be an image.
 
Yes, that's a problem, too
 
Is this spam?
 
10:58 AM
@JeanneDark Yup
 
Thanks
 
11:13 AM
Could you confirm that this is an off-site resource request?
 
@Vega In what way?
It seems to be non-programming-related, but I don't see how it's a resource request.
Hmm, actually... that's tricky. The question is on-topic. It's asking about a problem with code returning nil. The answers are just off-topic.
 
@CodyGray Possibly the "I want to download the video file from the above file. I have googled a lot and found the M3U8 parser. But it didn’t help me." part could be interpreted as asking for other parsers.
 
But, um, it's OK to ask how to solve a problem.
I really don't know what to do with that question.
 
That's true.
 
@CodyGray I got a declined flag for trying to propose a solution to that mess :-p
 
11:17 AM
@RyanM What was your proposal? Delete it?
 
"Please consider deleting the off-topic answers or otherwise locking/closing to prevent more off-topic posts."
 
Hmm, wow. That's... a dumb decline. At least the reason given.
 
If it is not off-site resource request, then most off-the answers are NAA?
 
Yes, the answers look like they're just irrelevant to the question, which is how to fix the code.
 
is it unclear in what way the parser didn't help? Is the solution inevitably too big to be solved by a reasonably sized SO answer?
 
11:18 AM
Yes, they do ask how to fix the code
 
The full flag text, for the non-moderators, was:
> Every answer to this question appears to have misread it & mistaken this site for Super User. The question asks how to do a task programmatically in an iOS app, and every answer describes how to do so manually on a desktop PC (with 1 answer whose app also has a .NET library that I doubt works on iOS). The question is on-topic, or I'd vote to close, but new off-topic answers keep coming. Please consider deleting the off-topic answers or otherwise locking/closing to prevent more off-topic posts.
 
@RyanM Have you considered editing the question so it's clear that those kind of answers are not accepted.
 
@JohnDvorak For the former, no: they showed the code they tried, and said that it returned nil. So that's clear enough. For the latter, I am not sure, but I do not think so. The code looks pretty svelte. It seems highly likely to me that a similar, working solution would not be more than 5x the length, which would still be more than small enough for a SO Q&A.
@Braiam Not sure that's the right move... We don't normally edit questions to invalidate all of the existing answers.
 
@Braiam I frankly am not sure how much clearer it could be than providing Objective-C code and saying it doesn't work.
 
it doesn't count as invalidation because they were already invalid though?
 
11:22 AM
And also tagging it
 
Removing the part about the parser they downloaded and that didn't work
 
@JeanneDark but even that is an iOS library
 
@RyanM You could show a screenshot of the code. That's popular.
 
@CodyGray You mean a photo of a monitor showing the code?
 
@CodyGray please no
 
11:23 AM
@RyanM Ideally with a lens flare or two.
If the monitor is not shown, how would we know it's real code?
 
@CodyGray Oh, but we do.
 
or three - one's from the glasses
 
We do?
 
Yeah, or what do you think that happened here? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/341987/792066
 
@Dharman Progman's duplicate isn't a better choice?
 
11:25 AM
lens flare from glasses justifies you having difficulty writing code and entitles you to speedier and more thorough answer from us
 
Btw, don't feel bad deleting that. The question already was asked and answered stackoverflow.com/q/10914330/792066
 
Noted.
 
@CodyGray I'm not a fan of closing bad questions as dupes.
 
@Dharman Not just because they're bad. But if it tells the person how they should be solving their problem, I generally think that's more helpful than any other type of closure.
 
@CodyGray As a future reader, please don't do that.
 
11:27 AM
When we tell people how to do it properly they ignore it.
They don't want a proper solution
 
@Braiam Why is that a problem for a future reader? The future reader would just be redirected to the "primary" question.
 
@CodyGray No, it won't. Answered questions don't redirect readers
 
That one isn't answered. Ideally, we can catch them and close them as dupes before they get answered.
 
I doubt their problem is how to do password hashing in PHP.
They are talking about displaying something
 
@CodyGray But you will apply the same reasoning to other questions.
 
11:29 AM
so the duplicate isn't right
 
I'm against the reasoning whenever is applied, not against the closure of this question to a particular one.
Don't try to be helpful, be accurate instead.
 
Yes, exactly. We are not trying to be helpful to the person who asked the question
The goal is to be helpful to the site
 
@RyanM The title, perhaps?
 
Interesting that Cody deleting the question resulted in it being auto-protected...
 
@RyanM Yeah, that's weird. I guess it's because the most recent answer was seen by the system as "deleted", and that combined with the other, older, deleted answers to reach the threshold of enough deleted answers to auto-protect?
Does seem like a bug that it would bother to protect a deleted question, though.
 
11:41 AM
Anyway, I'm glad that my flag is at least unofficially validated ;-)
@Dharman those answers are...really something
 
Same quality level as the question
 
yeah, that's certainly true...
 
@RyanM Lottery of the moderators. You win some, you lose some.
Oh boy. Lots of "please help me" flags on comments.
 
As in to remove "please help me" comments or flags asking to help someone
 
Flags asking moderators for help.
How silly, right? Everyone knows we're not helpful.
 
11:47 AM
I'm almost afraid to ask what sort of problems people flag comments to ask for help with.
 
Considering the latest development... yeah, you are not :)
 
@CodyGray "Please help me, I need more declined flags"?
2
 
@RyanM Their programming problem, of course! The one they asked a question about!
@Braiam Oops! What'd we develop now?
@JeanneDark I will definitely let the other mods know that you wish to get more declined flags.
 
@CodyGray It's almost as if you could read my mind.
 
Almost.
 
11:55 AM
other tag:
 
Yes, it's for all these hardware related questions
 
@Dharman OK, cleaned up the first page-ish... You're right, there were a lot of very off-topic questions with that tag. Which is unfortunate; it's a legitimate tag.
 
Before I back-pedal, could you please confirm that this is on-topic?
 
@Vega Yes. It's asking about the meaning of an api element, potentially for the implementation.
 
\o
o/
 
12:10 PM
/o
 
@Braiam Put like that, it's on, yes. Thank you!
o/
 
12:34 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ I saw that and was sure there was a dupe, somewhere. But I couldn't find one that was really a close enough match...
 
1:04 PM
@SotiriosDelimanolis Σωτήρη, this request was just posted - look just before my last one ;)
 
 
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2:43 PM
Who let your Bot into the C tag, @Dharman? ;-)
... it 'changed' before my very eyes.
 
You C#!
 
 
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4:22 PM
Last SD report: clever spammer edited contact details in later
 
Worth an upvote before the red flag?
 
@AdrianMole Spammers also have feelings
 
We should vote for the content not the user
 
 
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6:15 PM
@AdrianMole what changed?
 
This one, while I was making a comment. The usual removal of "Hope it helps..."
 
 
Also the answer looks bogus and unrelated.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:44 PM
@Makyen May I ask you about your workflow when you make a user script?
 
9:00 PM
@Scratte Yes. :)
 
Any Python experts know of a duplicate for this question create a numbers sequences with nested list in python? It looks like it should have many.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels One would think so, but they probably all got closed for needing focus, or details/clarity, when they were asked :/
 
9:17 PM
@Makyen Ah, thank you :) Do you use an IDE for that? Or do you do it directly in a user script manager?
 
@AdrianMole Ok, at least that one was made correctly
 
9:39 PM
@Scratte I use an external editor, because I'm more proficient in that editor than I am in editing in any of the editors provided by the userscript managers. I also prefer that the master copy be a file on my machine, which is more easily put under any of a variety of source code control systems (for which I primarily use git).
The process was significantly easier prior to Firefox moving to WebExtensions only, as Greasemonkey 3 used individual files in the user's profile directory to store each userscript, so you could edit those files directly and get the update upon save and reloading the affected page.
At this point, for updating the userscript in the various userscript managers and profiles I use a combination of copy and paste and my machine serving the directory structure in which I keep userscripts as HTTPS pages, which allows both manual updating of the script by going to the URL for the script and the automatic checks for updates which the various userscript managers do.
There are, supposedly, some better integrations for using external files for primary userscript code storage, but I haven't looked into them all that closely, or at least not recently.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Unsurprisingly, that one got deleted. I expect that many such questions that could have been used as duplicates suffered the same fate, explaining why there probably isn't a duplicate to be found :( Shame, since it's on-topic.
 
10:00 PM
@Makyen OK. That gives me the impression that one either needs to use the update feature in the manager or manually copy'n'pasting them in just to test that it works. Or did I misunderstand that?
 
@cigien This reflects an age-old debate, one where I think that you and I sit on opposite sides of the debate. I respect your point of view though, even if I disagree
 
@Scratte When you're a moderator, Stack Overflow gives you a small army of code-pixies to help with menial stuff like that. ;-)
 
@AdrianMole Sure you're not confusing moderators with Stack developers? :P
 
Hmm. Maybe I'm confusing pixies with elves?
 
..or pixels. Those are tiny and their appearance seems to change all the time.
 
10:06 PM
Interesting. I may be pixilated but I'm not (yet) pixelated.
 
@Scratte Yes, that's how it works. I do, sometimes, make very small changes directly in the userscript manager, but then also make them in the external editor. Largely, that will depend on if it's easier to make the change or copy & paste (which is fairly easy at only a few keystrokes/mouse movements/clicks, depending on which input method is used).
 
OK. Thanks :) I just made the changes in the manager and then copy'n'pasted them out.. when they work ;)
 
Ah... I just find it more efficient to do it the other way around, as I'm not that thrilled with the userscript manager's editor.
 
I gather your editor isn't an IDE that warns you of stuff?
 
No, it's not. I have not found one which I like for userscript development.
 
10:18 PM
If in doubt, it can be done with vim. Or emacs.
 
Yep.
 
OK. Thank you :) Someone told me to use Visual Studio Code. With a JavaScript linter of sorts.
 
It's quite possible that there's been significant improvement in IDE support for the userscript environment since the last time I looked (at least a couple/few years ago).
 
I don't think it's for "userscripts", just for JavaScript :)
 

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