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2:01 AM
@RyanM You don’t like the remote control analogy?
 
@CodyGray Ugh they changed the question after the answer was posted :-| I missed that.
 
Then there’s that bonus car analogy
@RyanM They heard a new rumor
 
 
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7:26 AM
Please delete my request as the OP has provided an MRE
 
8:30 AM
 
9:18 AM
three reposts of the same question from three sock puppets: 1, 2, 3
 
9:35 AM
@gnat please raise a mod flag
 
9:46 AM
I have a question. In a relatively old Q&A of mine, the asker accepted the answer and then edited the question to add a code snippet with runnable solution. My answer was more theoretical than practical. I didn't write code for the OP. Is it acceptable to edit the code snippet into my answer? Reference
I could just ask the OP to post an answer themselves, but they haven't logged in in several months
 
@blackgreen Not entirely sure I understand. You want to add the code into your answer because you think it would improve the answer?
 
@CodyGray I think my answer is fine as is, but the code snippet that was added to the question is, well, an additional answer; or an expansion on the answer. I've seen multiple times people asking on meta what to do when the OP answers their question in the question itself
but in this case I may have a conflict of interest
not sure
 
OK. Well, the best thing to happen would be if the OP would post it as an answer themselves.
But, as you said, that's unlikely, given how new they are, how little they've participated, and how long it's been since they've logged in.
The minimum thing that does need to happen is that the answer needs to be removed from the question.
If you think it would improve your answer to add it, then it's legitimate to edit it in, giving credit to the OP as the author, following our normal referencing/attribution requirements.
I guess it could also be posted as a CW answer by someone, but meh. I don't see the big advantage in having two answers there.
 
@CodyGray are you going to do the edit yourself?
 
I've removed it from the question.
You're welcome to add it to your answer if you think it would help improve the quality of the answer. I don't feel comfortable making that assessment.
I just handled it as I normally would when I come across something like that as a mod.
 
9:57 AM
ok, I see. thanks
 
Besides, this way you can't be accused of a conflict of interest when you edit the question.
I'd upvote that, but I hear all Go questions are supposed to be downvoted. :-p
 
lol
that question was actually decent, possibly even original
the [go] tag is a hard tag
 
Easier than [stop], I guess.
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This is not an answer to the question, is it? Question also looks a bit broad, but I'm not sure.
 
in Dharman's words, "it is a very thoroughly moderated tag"
@CodyGray starred, but I'm going to pretend you didn't say that lmao
 
10:02 AM
@JeanneDark No, that looks like an upvote reason. That's what we could require everyone to submit when they upvote a post.
It's... wrong, though. csalazar's answer is talking about microphone capabilities, and that's precisely what the comment is saying doesn't matter.
So, it's very confusing.
 
@JeanneDark I never voted on that question because I couldn't decide if it was really good satire or a terribly serious proposal. I did, however, upvote Shog9's answer for the first paragraph alone.
@JeanneDark I just so happen to be an expert in ultrasonic signal generation. For real. So I guess it worked out.
You deleted NATO? What's next, ASEAN?
 
@CodyGray World domination
 
10:39 AM
@Vega Deleting that seems like it would be actively harmful. While it is off-topic, there is a lot of useful information collected in the answers there, and the whole Q&A has been viewed over 50k times, suggesting that it is a top hit for several Google searches.
 
@CodyGray face palm Ok, then remove my del-pls, please
 
Face palm because... you just now realized that? Or because you think my argument is dumb?
 
The second? :)
 
Haha.
 
Couldn't we just reask the question on askdifferent?
 
10:43 AM
You can't migrate that, can you?
 
@GoodbyeStackExchange No, >60 days
 
Nah, we can't migrate stuff unless it's asked within the past 60 days.
 
That's lame
That would have been a good question to move
 
Agreed.
 
Again, we can reask the question.
 
10:50 AM
That's pretty useless, as it solves none of the problems. It doesn't help the Google and other links, since they won't redirect to the new question. And you cannot effectively attribute the content to its original authors, and you certainly can't give them the ability to maintain it.
 
@CodyGray Are you sure?
 
That question was deleted/nuked
 
@Braiam Uh? Yeah, reasonably sure. I usually don't say things unless I am sure. Of course, it's possible that I am wrong. But then that claim should usually be followed by some arguments.
@Braiam And.. where does that provide attribution to the original authors?
The question has no attribution whatsoever.
 
@CodyGray The question was inspired, not just merely copied.
The attribution is on the answers.
 
10:54 AM
Meh.
 
Well, if you are not happy, you can flag the post for improper attribution..
 
If only we could migrate :P
Seems like a lot of reputation to throw down the drain
And some decent quality answers for something that is borderline scripting
 
Yeah, I'm not too thrilled about that, either.
Since it apparently needed to be deleted, it's now been locked.
 
I think that's the best course of action
 
There will be plenty of complaints.
 
11:04 AM
Well, that's what the diamond is for. Whack some heads with it
 
How does that help reduce the complaints?
 
fewer complainants left
 
There you have it @GoodbyeStackExchange apple.stackexchange.com/q/422703/63289
 
It is still unclear to me how "borrowing" that question and answer, then reposting it on another site without attribution, is distinct from plagiarism.
 
@CodyGray Flag if you don't feel happy.
 
11:18 AM
That doesn't seem like the right solution. I'm bringing it to your attention directly.
 
No. That's the perfect solution, because I don't need to reference the question.
 
How do you figure that you don't need to reference the question?
 
Other than the problem statement to make another problem, I didn't use any content on it.
Read it yourself and compare.
 
Plagiarism isn't limited to copy-pasting.
 
What to do when you come across an answer that has a disclaimer like "[mod] deleted my previous answer, I will add a new one.", also linking to the mod's profile? Suggesting an edit just invites a rejection and it also kind of looks like public shaming a bit (I mean, why link to the profile? Hoping a mob will form and serial downvote the mod?).
 
11:21 AM
Even the answer is totally different.
 
@JeanneDark Flag as "rude/abusive"?
The mod deleted the original answer for a reason. Simply removing the inappropriate text about mod-deletion isn't likely sufficient.
 
@CodyGray I can't see the deleted answer. The case that sparked my question seems to have been a link only answer, now copy-pasting the code from the github repo in addition to the link (so not sure it qualifies as plagiarism).
 
@JeanneDark If you aren't comfortable with a blunt R/A, then I'd at least raise a custom moderator flag.
There may be many reasons why a mod deleted an answer, some of them not even obvious if you could see the deleted answer.
It's excessively unlikely that a custom flag saying, "This is a (rude) repost of a previously mod-deleted answer." would ever be declined.
 
@CodyGray They quote the standard comment "Whilst this may theoretically answer the question, it would be preferable to include the essential parts of the answer here, and provide the link for reference.", too
 
@JeanneDark Does the use of the word "whilst" there bother you as much as it does me?
And that superfluous comma at the end?
 
11:27 AM
LOL
thou doth protest too much
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels As it turns out, this is a protest which I have heard before.
 
@CodyGray I fully believe it
@Dharman shouldn't that be mod-flagged?
 
Why
I have no indication that they broke any rules
 
Using multiple accounts to ask the same question is breaking a rule
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11:32 AM
@Dharman Often, use of a sock-puppet account to re-ask a question is done to get around a Q-ban
 
You can't get question banned after a single question
So I don't know why they asked the same question twice from two accounts
 
@Dharman Oh, you can if there are low-quality deleted questions
 
Well then I can't see that
 
@Dharman, regardless, as @CodyGray states, re-asking with a second account is not permitted
 
Ok, wait I found one deleted stackoverflow.com/questions/68043429/…
 
11:36 AM
You don't need to assess whether they're question-banned.
Asking the same question multiple times isn't allowed, whether from the same account or from an auxiliary account. And an auxiliary account so often hides other abuse that it's worth flagging.
 
Ok, I'll flag more
 
\o/
 
Do mods sometimes search for posts containing their usernames? Or would that be too painful?
 
@JeanneDark Some might? I'm not nearly vain enough to have ever considered it, honestly.
 
Not out of vanity, rather to find people adding meta commentary to their posts
 
11:45 AM
"See all 191 results" Hmm.
Hard to disentangle that from legitimate attribution.
 
@CodyGray It probably depends on how many NAAs you delete ;)
 
@CodyGray Possibly ;) I would much more like that good questions that are off topic on one site, but on topic on another can be migrated by mods regardless of how old question is. That would solve a lot of problems and allow questions to live on.
I am not huge fan of locking because it is wrong tool for the job. I understand why it is used, because there are not better tools.
 
Unfortunately: That's a system design limitation. They can't even if they want to.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar I 100% agree with this.
 
Need to tag a feature-request on stackexchange to allow this. Not sure why they implemented that limitation
 
11:50 AM
The idea is that they didn't want new/beta sites being flooded with a bunch of old, unwanted questions from established sites.
They wanted the new sites to establish their own community, without "seeding" it.
Consider, for example, when Vi.SE was launched... they didn't want SO dumping all of their Vi questions over on them at once, before they had a chance to establish themselves in their own right.
@JeanneDark I guessed the right man. He only had 20 shout-outs, and several of those were legitimate attribution, too.
 
@CodyGray There has to be a better solution, instead of just preventing it from migrating. I mean, if it was legitimately on topic for the site, then IMO, it should stay there until it becomes not on-topic, and only then should things start being migrated
 
@CodyGray You saw my custom flag?
 
@JeanneDark Just now did. That call-out was a bit less rude than I was expecting. (I've seen far worse.)
@GoodbyeStackExchange Right. Part of the problem was that they were spinning up new SE sites that had obvious overlap with existing sites.
@JeanneDark I'm... not totally sure that even answers the specific debugging question that was asked. But, it might be helpful to someone, and it's the only answer there, so I just cleaned it up instead of deleting it outright.
 
And overlap <> off-topic. The migrations should have been disallowed simply because they would still be on-topic for the current site
 
@GoodbyeStackExchange Agreed.
 
11:58 AM
@CodyGray Thanks for cleaning it up. That's also why I was unsure about how to flag it and if R/A was suitable.
 
Or, we could have not created a bunch of SE sites with overlapping topics. But, I guess that horse already left the barn.
@JeanneDark I figured there was some subtlety, rather than you just pretending to be clueless. :-)
 
I mean, if another site comes around, if it looks like it's doing well, I'm all for reclassifying the main site's questions on that topic as off-topic. At that point, let the migrations role, and start cleaning up the sites.
But if they're still considered on topic for that site, then all migrations should be prevented or at least punish users who are trying to migrate on-topic questions. That I think would be the most ideal solution, instead of a 60 day ban
 
@Dharman Yeah, Tomcat is a Java thing. I guess cats like coffee.
 
@Dharman Tomcat is used to run java apps, kinda like php-fpm is used to run php apps.
 
12:07 PM
@JeanneDark Can't we just reword that to a "how-to" question?
 
Would it become a programming question?
 
Seems like it. Using functions exported from a Windows DLL on Linux? Would a non-programmer do that?
 
@CodyGray agree; retracting CV
 
If you feel like it's okay now, feel free to bin my request
 
Heh. Had to remember how to do that.
 
12:33 PM
@JeanneDark I thing you should change the request to ;)
 
I wasn't sure, so I decided to at least bring it to attention more quickly than I usually would
 
@CodyGray I was ready to ping you for this :D pls proceed (along with this one)
 
Sorry, I was distracted by my other machine running Windows 10 suddenly deciding to close all of my running programs. While staring at with my mouth open, I finally realized it was time for its regular forced update.
 
Bless Windows and its innate wisdom for knowing when is the right time to do these things
 
12:46 PM
But is there way to, like... stop it from ruining everything?
 
Yes there is,.... switch to Unix
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels s/Windows/MS/
 
been using Ubuntu for 4 years and man, this is no better than windows
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels That's the third computer. It has its own set of problems, bless it.
@oguzismail That's for sure.
 
12:48 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Who actually does that?
 
That's true, no reason to do that. You just switch to the Mac instead.
 
Is there a difference between and ?
 
1:02 PM
@oguzismail One has "django" in the name.
But, apparently, everything with the tag is also tagged .
 
Yeah, do I have to make a synonym request on meta or do we have enough django SMEs here to synonymize them?
 
Do we have any Django SMEs?
Can I see a show of hands?
 
We don't?
 
@Dharman you're rignt that single question won't trigger a ban. But, it can trigger 24 hours block if poorly received. I guess for some this is enough reason to make a sock puppet
 
keeps all petals down
 
1:12 PM
Djang, y'all. Not even Jamie Foxx up in here?
 
@CodyGray Memememe
Yeah, django has two ways of implementing views, as functions or as classes.
Other than than classes can have functions and how it's called, there's no much differences while implementing views.
You can merge them all into django views (if they are all django questions).
 
 
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2:29 PM
does this look like No MCVE? (NATO). The accepted answer is a dead link.
 
Not sure if I should flag NAA, or Rude/Abusive, for such posts stackoverflow.com/a/68047143/2227743
 
@EricAya Depends on how scared you are of having a flag declined :-)
A NAA flag will never be declined on something like that. For a R/A flag, the opinions of different mods may well differ about whether it rises to the level of R/A.
 
@CodyGray Thanks. In this case I'll continue to flag R/A only if I find the content offensive (not if it's just gibberish like this one, which I'll continue to flag NAA).
 
So you're scared of having a flag declined. :-p
 
Looks like it. ^^
 
2:56 PM
The first advice I'd offer is to improve your grammar, because it helps with the end users impression of professionalism. At least you should correct the very obvious spelling error in arithmatic! Meh - they just don't teach the Three Rs like they used to!
 
Surely "arithmatic" refers to doing it automatically, rather than having to think about it?
 
Nah. They clearly meant riff my tick.
 
Let's see if we can improve the grammar in the original statement, though, shall we? "The first [piece of] advice I'd offer is [for you] to improve your grammar because it [would] help[] with the end users['] impression of professionalism. At least[,] you should correct the very obvious spelling error in [']arithmatic[']!"
My hobby: nitpicking the nitpickers.
 
Somehow, I thought that would rock your boat.
 
It's practically capsized.
 
3:01 PM
... it's in one my most recent CV reviews, if you'd care to add to the comment...
 
Hardly. I have nothing constructive to contribute.
 
3:37 PM
@Dharman Yes, you can be question banned after a single question, even without the question having been answered. It actually doesn't take all that much. It's not the full 6 months until you can post again, but the system does indicate it as a question ban. It might be more appropriate to call it a rate limit, as it's likely only for a few days, but it's indicated as a question ban in the mod interface.
From the link @gnat provided, it looks like the it is actually called a rate limit, even if indicated as the question ban is active. Some additional references: Rolling question rate limits are now network-wide and Breaking down question blocks - let's talk about rate limits
@CodyGray Yeah, for Windows machines, I've been willing to pay for the Windows Pro version, just so I can prevent those forced updates. While I generally want updates, I want them when I choose to get them, not be forced to reboot the machine whenever MS has chosen that I do so, particularly when they will do so regardless of what's happening on the machine at that time, even if it's actively being used. The forced reboots make it such that you can't count on state being saved across days.
 
this is NAA right?
 
@SurajRao Yes, it's a question.
 
right. Thanks
 
Seems to be a question based on the accepted answer in which pip install openpyxl is suggested
 
3:45 PM
@JeanneDark Thanks. The answer there states that to get that notice the user has to have asked multiple questions. I'm unsure what the displayed notices actually look like (i.e. if there are multiple different notices, or just one which has the wording specified there), so I'm not sure if that should be edited to indicate that that ban/limit can be encountered after a single question, or if it should say that a different rate limit notice is shown when the user has posted only one question.
 
 
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@khelwood I was wondering about the -13 score, then I saw your comment and the original code :(
 
 
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7:19 PM
Hehe - Edge seems to think that last SD report is in Maltese. Asks me if I want to translate.
 
Could be. Alas, Maltese is a language about which I know very little.
 
I thought it was a type of goat before reading that blog post
 
7:42 PM
@RyanM here's one example where pictures might be the only solution.
 
@bad_coder that is a good example indeed. Though I'd still want any error messages typed out for searchability (there are none pictured).
 
@RyanM Well spotted, apparently there's isn't a "Needs debugging details" flag on SU.
 
8:20 PM
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@Makyen Please remove the message
 
 
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10:08 PM
 
Some very odd characters in that last post Smokey gave.
... only visible if you go into edit mode.
 
10:23 PM
Can I have a reminder, please? Should 'answers' like this be given NAA or mod flags?
 
@AdrianMole I think a custom flag is preferable there. I'm not sure that's NAA at all; it is an answer, and it's not obvious that it's a verbatim copy of the linked answer, despite the "His answer", without actually going to the other answer and looking.
 
@cigien I tend to agree. "Plagiarism" isn't really appropriate in that case, though.
... feel free to bother a mod. ;) (I already cast my double-D votes.)
 
I think even with attribution it counts as plagiarism when it's a verbatim copy. They need to add something of their own.
 
Hmm. I've posted a number of answers that cite the Standard and didn't really add anything to it.
 
But in that case, that's what the question is asking for, a quote from the standard. I don't think anything necessarily needs to be added to an answer like that (though it's nice to do that, obviously).
 
10:37 PM
I know what you mean. Just being finnicky, I guess. But I think we can handle that post, in here...
 
Nothing wrong with that. I can be quite finnicky myself :)
 
But you're right. If someone is earning credit (reputation) by simply repeating someone else's work, then that's plagiarism.
 
11:01 PM
... Off-by-one, again.
 
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