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@Makyen: I know that I'm not supposed to bug site moderators in here, but I have a question -- why did you undelete two recent answers that I flagged, and then immediately re-delete and lock them? Just curious.
and it's OK if you choose not to reply. You are busy, I know
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I assume that you mean the plagiarized ones which each included a shortened URL which appears to be a spam link? I did so, in order to delete them as spam and prevent the user from undeleting them.
 
@Makyen: ah, I see; thank you for replying. I did not click on the links and so did not recognize them as spam links. That was a lot of effort expended just for that purpose.
(effort by the OP, that is)
(and effort by you)
 
3:09 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels It was a bit of effort, but not all that much. For one answer, the OP just copy & pasted it from another site. For the other answer they took a screenshot of someone else's answer. Then, for both, they added a line of text to include the shortened URL.
Once I determined what they were, undeleting and re-deleting as spam was a single click for each, using a couple of userscripts. Finding the plagiarism was a highlight and context menu click for a search, then add quotes, which lead directly to the source. The one which was a screenshot was a bit more work, as I had to type a line of text in order to search for it.
The thing that took the most time was customizing the communication to the user, but most of that was just stock text, which I'd already customized to be generally applicable.
 
4:02 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels The shortened URLs did take a bit more time, but I dropped those into the browser profile I keep active in order to test suspect URLs. Admittedly, I didn't actually go to the sites. I used a service, URL2PNG, which returns an image of the destination. I also plugged the shortened URL into another service, [getlinkinfo](getlinkinfo.com), which normally returns the destination URL from such link shorteners.
The particular URL shortener which they are using is a bit more of a pain than most, in that it wants you to solve a captcha in order to get to the destination, so those services were not as effective as they usually are.
@HovercraftFullOfEels I appreciate the flags you raised. Thank you for finding the sources for the plagiarism. Unfortunately, I didn't actually see your flags until now. Normally, I would have seen the flags when visiting the post or working the flag queue/dashboard. Having the sources already in the flags would have been very helpful/critical for a plagiarism flag.
In this case, I saw the posts via the SmokeDetector reports. I went directly to the user's profile pages and did everything from there. For viewing the posts, I used a userscript. Unfortunately, that userscript doesn't, yet, show what flags are on the post when the post is viewed, so I wasn't aware of your flags at that time.
I need to put some more work into that userscript, so that the flags are shown, as seeing the ones you raised would have saved time and effort I ended up spending duplicating the work you'd already done. Changing the userscript so that's possible to see the flags is fairly high on the to-do list for that script, as it would certainly help to have that information.
 
4:13 AM
Is this spam? Note the OP's name
 
@AlonEitan I am not sure. This is kind of cases when I vote to close and delete
 
Noted. Thanks @Vega
 
4:51 AM
 
5:05 AM
@Vega That doesn't have any recent activity, does it?
 
@cigien You are absolutely right, I changed the url now. I am sorry
@cigien I thought, I edited, but finally it was late
@rene, could you please bin my last cv-pls, please?
 
@Vega No worries, thanks.
 
6:09 AM
I get a lot of "suggested edit queue is full"; is there a place where I can monitor the state of the queue? Is this more busy than usual as of late?
 
6:42 AM
Is this a spam seed?
 
@Vega Seeing it like that there is no indication, user also have rep...
 
@PetterFriberg Thank you! Since I went ahead and flagged. The user is the creator of the API and the question seems not being constructive. It also helps to create a commercial tag (it is in the queue)
 
@Vega linking to the swagger api endpoint is like linking to documentation: I looked here for X I couldn't find it. How do I do X?. I can't see how that is spam?
the affiliation should be mentioned, yeah ...
I left them a comment
 
7:02 AM
@rene I disagree. They know better than anyone their API and the answer proves it
 
@Vega the horror we disagree. I'll remember this day ;) ... keep us posted on flag outcome.
 
7:38 AM
@rene Shocking, right?
@rene The flag was declined as soon as you posted your first message, FYI
 
Posted a crap answer and can't delete it now since it's accepted for some reason. Should I raise a mod flag and ask for removal?
 
@Vega hmm, I know there had been drama a few years back where users that linked to their repo on github to support their answer got red flagged causing -100 for users that were in good standing. Linking to your own api is borderline I admit so I understand your reasoning. There are meta posts on this but in my limited search I found this that might help in deciding if you want to challenge the decline: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326027/p#comment356637_326028
@oguzismail why did you post a crap answer in the first place?
Is the question worth keeping?
 
7:56 AM
It took me some time to realize that it was crap :D
@rene it kinda is
 
@oguzismail Meh, just leave it then. Maybe make an edit to explain why your answer is "suboptimal" and maybe point to better answers / solutions.
@tripleee I think that does qualify as user targetting, so let's keep that in charcoal
 
@rene Belgian waffles, loads of'em!
 
@rene Done, and left a comment in case OP comes back. Thanks
 
 
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9:05 AM
@rene pls dump this request of mine - just saw it was already posted by @tripleee (although I think "not about programming" is the correct reason here) chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/52428934#52428934
 
9:26 AM
 
 
 
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11:53 AM
Morning
 
@tacoshy that can easily be on-topic by removing the word 'tool'
 
@TylerH quote: "I know I can search the source files of these external stylesheets one-by-one, but I need a simpler way/tool that may be available within Chrome DevTool to check/search the existence of some class in all included stylesheets." in the end it will be either a recommendation or opinion based
IMHO it is not a specific coding issue.
 
1:50 PM
"How can I search through source files for specific CSS classes" is a specific programming problem
Depending on the dev tools OP is already using, there is likely a way that doesn't involve a tool recommendation
and OP already included that they are using Chrome Dev Tools
 
incredible junk magnet stackoverflow.com/questions/57925636/… but not sure if it's closable
 
2:09 PM
@tripleee looks closeable to me, OP isn't asking a question
so I would close it as "unclear" (or "needs detail and clarity" to today's youth)
@Makyen you can't lock a deleted answer?
hey, I saw a spam post on a non SO site, that's rare that I see them before they're caught
 
2:30 PM
@TylerH You can. I just tried. For science
 
The next question is, can OP undelete a self-deleted answer if it was locked during deletion :-)
 
why not
 
If it's locked, the answer is no (not including comment locks). Locks prevent any type of voting on a post, including deletion
 
that's an invalid state
it can't be locked and self deleted
oh, right, you just proved that wrong
lol
 
so today we have proved that Makyen just likes pushing buttons :-P
 
2:46 PM
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Q: Do we need the [mixing] tag?

Steve SummitIt doesn't even have a description (it's still in search of one). Actual usage seems to be a mixture (sic) of questions about programming using mixed languages, and mixing paint.

 
3:00 PM
@TylerH Actually, applying a lock would have been more buttons, as I would have had to also specify a length of time. :) Alternately, I could have just undeleted and re-deleted as a moderator, which would have prevent the user from undeleting, but wouldn't have locked it (i.e. they could have edited it). Doing that would have been the same number of clicks. :;
@TylerH :) (I forgot to give a general response. :; )
 
3:16 PM
I can't vote on that
 
> Dontclosethequestion
 
@Makyen a mod lock is more than one click (or two for confirming...)?
 
@TylerH How many depends. Mod-locks include the need to specify the timeframe for which the lock applies. How many additional clicks and/or keyboard interactions are needed will depend on which one is used, if the timeframe is the one selected as default for that lock, and/or the use of userscripts, which still need to enter a timeframe, or use an assumed timeframe (for some lock types).
 
Ah, timers
wonder if it would be better if the default was to perma-lock something, and only lock it for a specific duration if the mod explicitly chose that setting
Though most mod locks that are applied on the site are probably 24 hours, I am guessing, not permanent locks
the only permanent lock I can think of that would be worthwhile (as opposed to deleting content) would be historical lock, so I'm sure that is a minority use of the power
 
3:48 PM
@KevinB it helped ...
 
That was a train wreck
Hope they don't undelete or repost
 
I hate when people get a downvote and immediately delete, before i've had time to leave a comment
 
I hate it when people answer terrible question instead of posting the new answer on the duplicate target
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seems like that'd be an easy scenario for just-in-time notification to the user informing them that deleting their question to repost it is counter-productive to their ability to continue participating
 
Kind of a trade-off with our desire to have people clean up low-quality contributions themselves, without us having to do it for them...
 
3:56 PM
whelp
 
The idea is that if they keep posting and having to delete low-quality contributions, they end up not being able to contribute any more low-quality stuff. I have few complaints about the design.
Just let the system work.
 
eh, i'd rather those willing to learn be given the information/ability to, etc
 
You can create sockpuppets to upvote your questions and avoid the ban
 
I wouldn't say they're not given the ability to learn.
One or two bad posts isn't going to trigger a question ban.
@Dharman Then, you can get a different kind of ban!
 
4:02 PM
If an OP gets downvoted on the original revision of a post and makes a substantial edit, which includes some code syntaxed content (beyond a couple words put between the ` tags) maybe those downvotes should get refunded to the voters who can then vote again if they want... maybe a soft notification of some kind so they can track which questions had their downvotes refunded
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just a thought
I'm pretty hungry right now though so it could be an insane thought
 
🤮
 
I guess users should just click 'follow' if they want to track that kind of thing
 
Definitely seems insane. A notification if a post gets edited?
Yeah.
Adding a long code block to "cancel" downvotes?
 
and we should just alert users when they try to delete and say "why don't you edit the post instead and wait for users to read your edit"
 
Also, how could we tell apart a substantial edit from vandalism?
 
4:05 PM
How, indeed. Maybe we could add a new review queue...
 
@E_net4theflagger I mean you probably couldn't do it exceptionally well without an artificial intelligence tbh
 
@TylerH yuck, no thank you
 
 
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7:13 PM
dawgs
I greet you
 
🚽
 
not the response I was expecting, but I'll take it
 
The YouTube channel at the bottom of this answer have the same logo than the user that post it. Should the link be removed? I don't think it adds nothing worth to the question.
 
I'd say absolutely remove it. It's a channel, not even a specific video. It's an advertisement.
 
@Magnetron No, just add the attribution
but yeah, if it isn't on topic then remove
 
7:23 PM
The channel is broad in topic
 
@Dharman Yeah, the link is for the channel, not a specific video, the channel is about programming, but in the question looks like advertising, that's why I said I don't think it adds worth content to the question.
 
@gunr2171 \o
 
o/
right, if it was to a specific video, that's a different story
linking to the channel is the same as saying "come to my library to learn stuff"
 
Yeah, we remove those a lot. Feel free to edit them out. If the user insists on it staying, mod flag and someone with a diamond can convince them
@gunr2171 The meeting administrator has joined the call Hey!
 
@Machavity Thanks! Was just about to edit when you did it.
 
7:34 PM
hello mr hard hat man
 
8:14 PM
@gunr2171 yo dawg
 
sup
 
8:43 PM
 
9:12 PM
 
9:41 PM
@gunr2171 Good to see you! I hope everything is going well.
 
Everything's actually going cistern for him, unfortunately, not well
 
:)
 
I think he'll be alright as long as things don't start going aquifer
because then your dwarves will all drown
I'm somewhat surprised that I was able to segue so smoothly from dad jokes to Dwarf Fortress references
 
10:17 PM
A wild gunr appears.
 
no I don't
lies
 

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