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2:43 AM
Why is it that when I click "Run query" on a SEDE query it shows me "{"captcha":true}"? Before it used to just show me a captcha because I don't have an SEDE account/.
 
 
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4:40 AM
@10Rep if you mean literally that text is shown then it sounds like a bug
 
@10Rep do you have cookies / scripts blocked? Anything in the console?
 
4:56 AM
Is this a bug? Does it look like this to you too?
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Yes
But how did you get to that URL?
 
@AlonEitan Clicked Edit here
 
Oh, so it's definitely looks like a bug
 
Disappointed I can't add a tag wiki telling people to please not...
 
5:26 AM
@10Rep previous bug report: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/354414/… but no repro. If you have more info, please share it there.
 
 
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7:15 AM
@JeanneDark Are we moderating Meta now?
Oh, it was not migrated. Never mind.
 
8:15 AM
@desertnaut You can escape square brackets in titles with \
 
@JeanneDark thanks :)
 
@desertnaut But PLS HELP
 
@E_net4theflagger always :)
 
8:39 AM
Could be this an answer? My flag got reclined and now it is upvoted
 
^ also duplicate
 
@Vega I suggest you open a custom flag, and point to their comment that explains that it is actually an answer to another question (not obvious at first glance that it is NAA, so little surprise the flag was rejected IMO). Have left a comment myself too
 
@desertnaut Great, thank you! I will do
 
@Vega just deleted :)
 
@desertnaut Yes, I was just reading the mod message on my flag. They say that mods cannot see the comments. In fact, I was hoping the review queue would see
Thank you again :)
 
8:53 AM
@Vega anytime
now, is this an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/67891716/4685471 it just "explains" the error, w/o corrective action (not even a hint)
 
Does anyone know why we have an api tag?
 
@Lino Someone probably created it and folks started using it. So someone else then added the tag Wiki to tell others to NOT use it.
... 91,990 questions, though. Would take some effort to get it burninated. ;(
 
@AdrianMole that's what I was thinking... created 12 years ago. Looks like a relic from the past. Maybe we should bury it again and don't think about it...
 
the tag wiki already links to the burninate request
 
So what now, create a new one? Or how else would you create attraction towards the old request?
 
9:00 AM
@JeanneDark Hehe: Every time someone uses this tag, one frog dies. :)
 
 
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10:11 AM
@bad_coder no duplicate comment?
 
@tripleee good question :O don't know why the comment wasn't auto-generated. In fact that's one of only 2 threads so far with a good answer (would deserve a merge with the canonical).
 
Looks like someone's on a clean-up spree for the [hdmi] tag. Just got 7 consecutive posts to review in the CV queue. Thought I was stuck in a loop, for a while.
 
a while loop, so to say?
 
no, a for loop
 
for what?
 
Does Python have a what loop?
 
11:01 AM
it's the ugly half-sibling of the if loop
you often need it with the ; statement
 
11:44 AM
@RyanM or neither as there's no such thing as JavaScript server-side in a Classic ASP environment as the duplicate points out.
 
@DaImTo can you check if the question has been properly edited and the request still applies?
 
12:01 PM
@Dharman OP edited question and is responsive on this post perhaps you'd like to leave a comment and provide some guidance.
 
@bad_coder You already left a comment.
 
Hard to say what it is. It's gibberish to me
 
I can't read Thai either, but it translated to something more or less understandable
 
@tripleee ... which is more or less Spam.
... A job offer, essentially.
 
@AdrianMole do you really think so? looks like a plain straightforward homework dump to me
 
It's been deleted
 
12:38 PM
@tripleee OK. In Khmer/Cambodian it looks clearer as a homework dump.
 
oh didn't check the language, just copy/pasted (the characters looked like Thai to me)
 
Cambodian and Thai are (very) distant relatives. They look (and sound) similar to foreigners but are almost completely unintelligible to each other. Same with Burmese.
 
but they use the same writing system apparently?
hmm, I guess I was just not paying attention, the letter shapes are vaguely similar in the font I'm using but it's clearly a different set of symbols
 
I think both derive from a common root (Sanskrit?).
 
not too familiar with Indic scripts but they all have very similar features
 
12:52 PM
Yeah - Thai and Cambodian are firm and angular (ruling royal families), whereas Burmese and Lao are soft and squidgy (communist, cheap beer).
 
@AdrianMole reminds me of a Yoga teacher who said everything stemmed from Sanskrit, uuhhh nope...
 
wow notifications are coming in with an 1h delay, anyone else have same issue?
 
I'll let you know in an hour ;)
 
1:47 PM
This is NAA, right? Or am I looking so hard I'm missing something subtle?
 
@AdrianMole I'd sum that up as "Cool story bro"
 
It seemed to me like, "I have an answer to your problem, but I'm not going to tell you."
 
another interpretation would be "DM me and we'll settle on a price"
 
hehe
 
Is this answer plagiarism of this much older one? They omitted the code formatting, left the brackets in "dynamic include ()" empty, and changed "x" to "object" in the last paragraph.
 
1:55 PM
@JeanneDark yes 100%
the code formatting would be lost if the newer user just selected the answer on the page and copied it
for example
either way it's easily enough for plagiarism to me
However, the older one could also be plagiarized from somewhere and the newer answer got it from the same location
 
@TylerH Thanks, that makes sense
 
@JeanneDark In fact, there is a deleted 'answer' on that which also points out that it is plagiarized from the answer you also linked.
 
@AdrianMole I know, I saw that NAA back then.
 
Which makes it odder - why didn't the mod who deleted that NAA also delete the plagiarized (accepted) answer?
 
depends on what the Mod sees when they review NAA flag. I think they dont get the view of the whole Q&A...
 
2:05 PM
He would have seen the post he deleted, which contained the plagiarism claim. Perhaps he has different 'modes' for handling different flags ... I could understand that.
 
Is this NAA? there is a very similar post that was Mod deleted. Duplicate answer in same question?
 
2:26 PM
@SurajRao More like they found the same resource and copy-pasted it
 
I think it's maybe from here originally
Meh, maybe not, it's all over the place.
 
NAA ? or is there an attempt somewhere?
 
2:43 PM
@SurajRao So he's done that but can't share code, just the general concept? Uhm...
 
code that is not running very well...
 
3:40 PM
Is flagging this as spam too harsh?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I think your comment is about the right level ... but how many other posts 'in quick succession' are there?
... looks like only 2.
 
Yes, there were two, but they were within an hour of each other.
Hmmm.... Maybe "several" is the wrong word, now I'm second guessing how I wrote the comment.
They are excessive self-promotion, a hard spam flag seems a bit harsh though.
Not sure, it's borderline
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I would decline that myself. It discloses and tried to answer. If there's a pattern, mod flag
 
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@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Maybe not, since the post author does self-disclose. But, absent some code showing how the linked project solves the problem, it may be NAA. Or, just a downvoted, not-very-good answer.
 
Well, they're an established user who has made some decent contributions, so maybe let's not be too hasty about raising the red flags? Hopefully, your comment(s), the downvotes and a few NAA flags will encourage them to delete those two 'answers'.
 
3:48 PM
Lack of disclosure by itself doesn't necessarily indicate spam
 
Thanks - wasn't sure how to handle that one. I'd hate to apply a hard spam flag unnecessarily to someone who's otherwise making useful contributions.
 
Is this NAA? I thought "Your Java version is outdated. Updating the version will fix the problem." would be an answer.
 
@cigien Just vote to close the question, it is not about programming.
 
@E_net4theflagger Yeah, the question could probably be closed. I'm curious about the answer though.
 
4:08 PM
@cigien yeah it's the right answer, the errore is that they have old version, anyway it's also a super dupe..stackoverflow.com/questions/10382929/…
 
Does this answer count as an answer? To me it is more like a comment
 
@PetterFriberg Ok, thanks. Yeah, I'm not at all interested in keeping the question or the answer. Just wondering if it's an answer, which if it's correct, it probably is :)
 
According to SO rulezz (at least the old ones, not very active lately) that is an answer.
but yeah no need for that, so I would just leave as it is..
 
Yeah, I'm definitely leaving the post as is. It got reported by SD, and was marked naa, so I was wondering about that. Also, I don't know about the old rules, but I believe it's not NAA by the current definition as well. I can totally see a mod deleting it anyway.
 
4:17 PM
@Machavity While lack of disclosure doesn't, necessarily, indicate there's an intent to post spam, it does make for a valid spam flag, as it's a lone criteria explicitly mentioned in the flag dialog. I would, at worst, "dispute" a spam flag on a post where there's no disclosure of affiliation. However, under most conditions, particularly when the OP only posts one or two such posts, I'd rather see a custom flag and/or a comment explaining that disclosure is required.
That would, of course, also depend on what it appears the user's intent is, as deduced by the content of the post and any other posts they have made. In other words, a user that appears to be trying to actually post good content gets a lot more leeway than one which just creates an account and starts posting answers about some "new, great thing" they made/are affiliated with, even if that thing is actually relevant to the questions on which they are posting answers.
 
@tacoshy it's actually little more than a link-only NAA, but the guidelines for such answers in the specific case of questions asking for recommendations (as this one) is not to flag the answers as such (if I am not very mistaken)
 
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Q: What is the purpose of the [hyphen] tag?

C. PeckI recently came across the tag hyphen, defined as The hyphen character, also known as the dash or minus sign. To me, this seems equivalent of having a tag like ? or even e for that matter. Is there some meaning I am missing for this, or can we burninate? hyphen experts, please advise.

 
@Makyen Yeah, I should probably clarify that linking to a library/repo without disclosure is unlikely to be sustained as spam. Linking to a website is less savory and paid services is the worst of the "legit answer" spam
 
@NathanOliver not wanting to put pressure on your agenda or time but I dropped a question in Slack for the RO's and the transcript has progressed a bit so I'm afraid you might miss it. If you find a few minutes check the back room script for Sunday, 13th. It is not urgent. Just a FYI.
 
@rene Missed that. reply sent.
 
thanks
 
 
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8:26 PM
@AndrasDeak sorry about that 3:0 :P (cc @Vickel)
 
@bad_coder that's off-topic :) thanks anyway
 
@Vickel it's not off-topic, SOCVR allows a reasonable margin for casual conversation, good thing too.
 
@bad_coder I was kidding, out of joy :)
 
@Vickel Andras's sense of humour warrants a slight taunt :)
 
@bad_coder Portugal lost the 1st game and the last game in 2004, so everything is possible
 
9:35 PM
Just came in the room, here .. but, even by your standards, @Dharman, that's a big batch of delete requests! Are they all causing harm, really?
 
yes
 
... "unhelpful" != "harmful" ???
 
> Closed questions that are of no lasting value whatsoever should be deleted.
 
Of course, PHP is way out of my field, but closed Q/As with nett overall -ve scores sink down to the bottom of the SEO stuffs, even without us making them pink.
... BTW (in case you don't yet get me) I'm just asking about things, rather than asserting Yay or Nae.
So, what harm is this one doing? And why should we delete the (seeminlgy) decent answers?
 
9:52 PM
Meh, the system should be cleaning out these anyway.
A question with 2k views in two years, while the target has +400k on 7
 
that linked one has 12k views, but 0 voting activity 5 years
 
But what harm is it doing? It kind-of 'smells' like a wee bit personal against the answerers.
 
i mean
you keep bringing up harm
is harm a requirement for deletion?
 
@KevinB Yes!
 
@AdrianMole Nope.
Deletion is a opt out system.
The only thing that saves questions from deletion is value.
 
9:57 PM
And who are we to judge what value others may find in a closed post (if they even find it)?
Before voting to delete, please check whether there are any good answers; if so, then the question should be flagged for moderator attention as a potential merge candidate. We don't like to lose great answers!
 
members with privileges
i don't necessarily agree with deletion in all of the cases listed above, but certainly some of them
 
What Kevin said. We are supposed to know how to extract value out of posts and look for signs of it.
A duplicate question with all their posts in negative/neutral score isn't a sign of value.
 
... I don't want to fall out with any of you guys in here. Like you, I care about this Community. I just want to learn/discover/understand how curation should work.
... I was very keen to cast delete votes, when I first earned that right. But now, after engaging in a number of Meta.SO posts, I'm a tad confused. I just want to know...
 
There's a misquote for Migelangelo when asked how he created the statue of David, he said "I just removed everything that wasn't David".
 
I as a rule don't actually act on posts brought up here, nothing against the room, just my own choice. but, what I do is i look at the question, and determine whether or not people who have that problem will find the question given it's title, contents, and answers
you can look at the views and voting history to sort-of back that up
 
10:03 PM
@AdrianMole This one is not answering the topic at all. The question is "Php Ensuring a unique username" and only 1 answer shows how to make a unique constraint.
 
one of those has 12k views, clearly people have found it, but have they found it useful? did the target gain views?
 
If that was the questoin then we have much better duplicates
So the question is unclear, a duplicate of unrelated issue and the answers have no value
 
Yeah, I hate those bait and switch.
Where the title is about something and the body about something totally different.
 
@Dharman I'm not questioning the closure. I'm just confused about why it should be made pink. It won't come up on any search from non-members, so why is it harmful? It's not like we're saving space on the database.
 
Why won't it come up from any searches?
It has 12k views so it is being found
 
10:06 PM
Well, then. It must have value as a signpost?
 
No, as I explained above, the question is misleading
It asks for one thing and shows errors for another
 
... I'm just playing Devil's Advocate ... so please don't take my comments to heart.
 
We could remove all the code and error messages and leave only the first sentence, then change the duplicate target, but we would still be left with the answers
If we go the other way around and change the title and remove the first sentence, then we need to remove one of the answers
The whole thing is riddled with SQL injection
The answerer won't lose reputation so they won't mind
 
@AdrianMole I think if one finds a question doesn't provide value, one should vote to delete that question if they can
along with downvotes etc. where appropriate
 
Maybe if someone started posting lots of del-pls request in C or C++, I would understand more. But maybe C/C++ are better curated than PHP?
 
10:10 PM
in the case you linked specifically, as has already been mentioned, it seems like a very low-quality effort all around where the title doesn't even reflect the issue OP is asking about
 
@TylerH Sadly, downvotes aren't enough to remove questions.
 
... but I could easily find 20+ posts per day in C++ that have "no lasting value".
 
Like Braiam I find it frustrating and harmful when I search for something, find a SO question with a seemingly perfect title describing what I want to do
and then find out it's about something else entirely
(looking at you, WinForms vs WebForms)
@AdrianMole So, then you should easily be running out of delete votes every day, no?
 
I tend to only cast delete votes on posts that are immune to the roomba
 
@AdrianMole I think C/C++ definitely have a much higher barrier to entry than PHP
 
10:12 PM
such as dupes (with answers)
 
@KevinB I've answered a few o f those, myself. ;(
 
for one, they're not web languages, so they're less attractive
 
@KevinB Closed questions with answers are also immune... sadly.
 
for two, they're lower level, so they're less attractive
so yes I would say they have better curation from the outset, e.g. potential askers self-curate better
volume is also probably a big factor
there are twice as many PHP questions on the site as there are C++ questions
and that's just the undeleted ones
 
Also, quite often if people dabble in C++ they have some basic knowledge. People working with PHP are often amateurs.
 
10:14 PM
Wow... that's kind of bad, huh
 
Dharman is probably responsible for half a million deleted PHP questions himself, tbh
;-)
 
@TylerH Just wait until PHP++ is released!
 
@AdrianMole They scrapped that idea.
 
@Dharman Ehhhh not so sure about that. =D
 
@AdrianMole now that would be some cthulu-level horror
 
10:15 PM
Cue everything in scientific computing.
Though the rise of Python+numpy did help that a bit
 
{buttered scones}
 
waffles
 
Edited
 
Anyway, my standard for delete voting non-dupe questions is "is this a good question that could have value for someone other than OP?" If the answer is no, it's probably delete-worthy. For dupe questions, it's "is this a useful duplicate target, and does it have an accurate and SEO-friendly title, and does that title match the problem in the body?" If no, again I likely would cast a delete vote.
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if a question is titled something like "PHP SQL query errors"... sorry but that's not helpful to anyone
You might as well just say "my code isn't working" in the title
 
10:19 PM
> My code is working, plz halp
 
Here's my point of view: Some posts benefit from having multiple signpost with different titles, or body. Sometimes there's a slightly different message. However, some posts don't require any more duplicates. Adding more just makes it harder to find the post you are looking for. And when it comes to question asking one thing and the error being about something different, such questions have almost no value.
 
@BaummitAugen I feel personally attacked.
 
But I use R
 
anyway I'm off for the day o/
 
10:21 PM
🍺
 
We're not trying to hurt answerers. They should have been prepared for this when they answered obvious duplicate. After all, they can add their answer to the canonical if it's needed.
 
would they even lose rep in these cases?
 
When I decide to delete a question I look at both question and answers. Sometimes answers on dupes are not half-bad, so there's no point in deleting them
 
these posts are years old
 
If the post is less than 60 days old and score <3 yeas.
 
10:22 PM
@Braiam I used to grade that kind of stuff as a TA. There are obviously plenty of folks who know what they are doing, but others just know enough to pass. :)
 
@Dharman Now that, I agree with. 100%. But it's not for SOCVR to moderate users. That will end badly, if it become habit.
 
Yeah, so screw them
I only care about the quality of the post
If they lose rep, then I don't care
If they keep the rep, then good for them
 
@Dharman Nor do I. But it's not our remit.
 
On another news, new Metroid.
 

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