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12:34 AM
@Machavity or other RO: this request should be binned, as it's been answered by the requester
@Machavity or other RO: this request should be binned, as the target self-duplicate is now deleted
 
12:50 AM
 
@TylerH If only I hadn't been out of close votes when I found this question yesterday...could have saved you from that bad audit :-(
 
 
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4:59 AM
That is an effective clean up, rene. Please give us more of that.
 
lol
 
5:17 AM
@rene probably don't discuss that particular topic in Charcoal
thx (-:
 
thanks
 
 
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7:01 AM
@PetterFriberg you excited as well Björkloven may still reach the Elitserien! (3-1 behind in the final, but we'll see)
 
\o/ Adriaan always excited.. but I actually had no clue... lets keeps are thumbs crossed.
 
8:04 AM
@rene I think I phrased it wrongly. I was referring to attribution, not the choice of Question author :)
 
@Scratte ah, do you want retry that?
I'm happy to delete the comment
I'm not overly attached to it
 
Not really sure. It's not general to the Question. It's specific to this particular case.
If the Question was mine, I'd probably not want to accept an Answer that forgot attribution :)
I can easily remove my comment too. I just noticed the first comment on the meta and went to check it out.
It seems your Answer was posted 14 seconds before the comment.
 
8:21 AM
@Scratte ah, I didn't even check the original question on Main
@Scratte I've slightly edited.
 
Nice touch about the downvote and accpet :) I've removed my comment.
 
There is an answer which is a copy/paste of an existing answer (from a different question). The newer answer also contains a link to the original, so there is some form of attribution. Not sure if it's worth a mod flag. Is the newer answer eligible for a del-pls?
 
Meta seems to be divided on this. Some say it's fine as long as there's attribution. Others say it's not and that an answer can't just be a quote due to "Do not copy the complete text of external sources, use their words and ideas to support your own." from How to reference material written by others
 
@VLAZ I usually custom flag answers that consist entirely of copied material. They're typically deleted. Here's a recent example (10k link)
 
@Scratte The answerer was new and didn't know about the ability to flag as duplicate. That was resolved in the comments but the answer stays.
@RyanM OK, I thought it wasn't a mod-flag thing. But if you say it's fine, I'd do that.
 
8:39 AM
Also this might be obvious, but make sure to link where it's from so that mods don't have to go searching
 
Yeah, just posted it and added the link. Although the link already exists in the answer. Thought it's already a dupe answer, why not add a dupe link in the flag. Duplicates all around.
 
@VLAZ They usually do. I've found that if I close-flag the Question against the duplicate, the Answer goes missing. I assume someone flags it :) Maybe it's Ryan :P
 
People delete their own answers surprisingly often
 
@RyanM well yes but...this one wasn't deleted. It's been 17 hours since the answerer last interacted with the post.
 
Maybe they haven't logged in for 17 hours..?
 
8:48 AM
@VLAZ I was mostly responding to Scratte there. I just flag things and if the OP beats a moderator to deleting it, then they save the mod some work :-)
@Scratte It could be me :-) especially if it's just a link to the answer that they didn't bother even copy-pasting. I definitely flag those on sight.
 
@Scratte that's still 2 hours after the user was told about how flagging as duplicate is the appropriate course of action and the newly educated user did actually flag the Q.
 
@RyanM peer pressure mainly. :P
 
@VLAZ I see. Perhaps they figured it would hurt to keep it around..
I'm not sure if the redirect to the target is broken if there's an Answer there or if the Answer needs to be either accepted or upvoted to break it.
 
@ewong There was a bar at the sea called "Pier Pressure". I keep being reminded of it when I see the badge. Just random piece of knowledge. It's a pretty good name for a bar.
 
A bar as in a place to drink or as in a horizontal piece of construction? <-- fixed my typo? :)
 
8:56 AM
Well, it was a place to drink. But also had vertical pieces of construction. It's raised above the sea. It's an actual pier. So...both?
But I'm pretty sure the name belonged only to the drinking place. Not the construction pieces.
I guess it also had horizontal pieces of construction. Again - an actual pier.
 
I was imagining a big log of wood put on the beach as a bench :) Usable when the tide is low.
 
9:27 AM
wrt to stackoverflow.com/questions/67500839/… this feels a little like a 'hacking attempt'
 
@ewong those are not disallowed in principle. Whether they are useful is another story
 
@rene thanks. I'll just skip it.
 
9:51 AM
wrt stackoverflow.com/questions/67501180/… this poster has 2k reputation which clearly means this person knows this site more than I do. So them posting it in SO means I still don't know what Off topic means
 
Reputation doesn't necessarily indicate familiarity with the moderation side of the site.
 
@ewong I've seen users with much, much higher reputation not knowing what SO is about or how to use it
 
Yep, rep is a pretty poor indicator. Badges might provide a better clue, especially the moderation-wise badges.
 
but the person has 2 gold badges...
anyway.. since I'm questioning myself.. I'm going to call it a day..
 
@ewong Voting-related and famous question (views)
 
9:56 AM
@ewong I have 78 gold badges and I have no idea what I'm doing here ....
7
 
 
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11:12 AM
@ewong in this case, the question is on-topic because git is a tool primarily used for programming
As for rep being a questionable indicator of experience, seems like a relevant time to break out my list of the highest reputation users with only one post.
 
11:58 AM
Morning
 
Morning
 
12:22 PM
@Nick also it's spam
 
@RyanM yeah, I've been following the conversation on Charcoal... I looked at them all and I agree on their own they seem harmless so I thought it might be good to get rid of them the normal way too...
 
fair enough :-)
 
1:03 PM
Interesting voting pattern on the meta announcement for the new fonts. 18 downs votes before the change, 91 down votes after the change.
 
@NathanOliver the downvotes sprung forth from the font of discontent
11
 
you get a star for that
 
:D
 
1:28 PM
@RyanM Meh, it happens :-) Bad audits gonna bad audit. I've been hit with dozens of them over the years probably
Important thing is that it's always a one-off surrounded by 'correct' audits
@RyanM nice
@NathanOliver Folks didn't see/know to care how much of an impact it would have/how much they don't like change
Also, I'm kind of surprised; I run Windows 20H1 on my machine and I don't have the new mono font that is allegedly shown if users have it (that MSFT introduced in 2018, apparently)... I still see Consolas (even with my user style fixing the font turned off)
 
I think I'm seeing segoe, but not sure. Whatever it is, I don't like it. Too hard to read in the smaller fonts.
 
I like segoe, its nice and clean and when you zoom out too far on low res screens it fragments the letters :)
 
@NathanOliver I meant for the mono font (code), sorry
I was seeing Seguo UI or whatever for normal text
 
2:19 PM
Cascadia Mono, that's what the font is called
 
2:57 PM
Why is this a review audit that expects a positive action?
 
@blackgreen because +7 and no downvotes
 
:(
I failed it...
 
@blackgreen I gave it an edit
 
are you saying that it's a legit question?
 
@blackgreen It's a question about a tool used primarily for programming
 
3:04 PM
Yes, with edits from me and TylerH I would say so
 
actually
looking at the answer, it's a duplicate
 
@TylerH isn't there a Gradle tag as well?
@TylerH yep, it is
"solved"
 
is this called typo? [see OP's comment]
which cv-request-type is suitable to close this question?
 
@Espresso Looks that way
 
4:58 PM
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Q: Not a [weak] candidate for burnination?

Jeanne Darkweak with 118 questions and no tag wiki excerpt 1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No, from the tag weak it's not clear what it refers to, just that something might somehow be weak. And regarding ambiguity, these are some of the usages...

 
5:19 PM
@JeanneDark I think this is great step; Because there is a lot of outdated answers on Stack Overflow.
 
5:51 PM
@JeanneDark bummer they are only showing it 1% of the time
I don't want to refresh the page of a perfect outdated answer candidate 100 times and get throttled by the site
 
It's just an exercise ;)
 
Yeah, but it should be like 25% or something
 
6:13 PM
@KevinM.Mansour And what do we do about "outdated answerers"? ;-)
 
@AdrianMole We can delete it or edit it to be up to date. :)
 
@tripleee yep, the tag wiki states if it's just using the CLI, then it's off-topic on SO; it needs to be about programmatic use of the tool (e.g. calling the app from PowerShell or something, I guess) to be on-topic
of course, I don't know who put that info in the wiki... couldn't be a rogue edit or it could be agreed-upon SME precedent...
 
6:29 PM
@TylerH I wonder if we can write a userscript that makes the controls visible every time.
 
@IanCampbell they're populated via server-side code so unfortunately not
 
I've been refreshing a certain page for a while, I wonder if they have already thought to thwart my attempts.
 
I mean, technically I guess you could write a script that injects such a control and lets the user interact with it... but Stack Overflow wouldn't get the response data :-P
 
Not exactly sure what "1% of the time" actually means, though. Needs details or clarity. Is it 1 in every 100 views (by all users) of the same post, or 1 in every 100 views (of any post) by the same user, for example?
 
Agreed. Some parts of this project's implementation leave me scratching my head.
 
6:33 PM
^ Almost certainly "by design."
 
@AdrianMole it's probably literally code that says result = rand(100); x = 2; and if { result = x } then { show }
that's horrible pseudo code, I blame being distracted
 
I would blame the new font - if the new font were implemented in chat.
 
I get distracted by the HUGE new diamonds.
 
@IanCampbell What are those?
 
@user1271772 In the new font the diamond next to a moderator's name takes up more vertical space
 
6:36 PM
I see, I'm using Ubuntu and the font was just changed to the Ubuntu default.
Which OS are you using?
 
@user1271772 See here
MacOS 10.15.7
 
I see.
By the way I posted something here earlier based on this smoke detector note but I can't find it here or in the graveyard, does anyone know where I can find it?
I don't seem to see any deleted messages either
 
@user1271772 Once a request has been acted on, or is no longer valid, it is moved out of this room by one of the room owners or moderators. Read more in the FAQ: socvr.org/faq#what-is-graveyard
That act of moving it out of the room breaks the linkage
 
@user1271772 you don't have anything public: chat.stackoverflow.com/users/1271772/user1271772?tab=recent did the message talked about a user? Maybe a mod deleted the message in that case.
 
6:46 PM
Occasionally, if a smoke detector linked post is acted on within 2 minutes, SD will delete its post automatically.
 
It's a bit bizarre because I don't see any deleted message by me
 
Ah, sorry, I guess I misunderstood the question.
You're looking for something YOU posted?
 
@user1271772 nobody can see deleted posts, except mods
 
@rene True, but I would at least be able to see "user272..." on the left, and "deleted" on the right
Deleted message shows up as a regular mesasge but with the message replaced by a grey colored "deleted" text
 
not if a mod deleted them.
 
6:53 PM
@rene comments?
 
no, chat message
 
ROs can see deleted messages
 
not if proper mod deleted
 
Mods can hard redact chat messages as well, but I doubt that's what happened here (the notice they posted something cannot be removed)
 
@Burnination-Feed that is pretty excellent burninate request @JeanneDark
 
7:03 PM
@rene ah I see, mod-deleted chat messages
 
@rene You see 3 messages before the one I'm replying to, it says "(removed)"? If my message was deleted by a mod it would say "user272" on the left and "(removed)" on the right, am I correct?
 
@user1271772 Yes I believe so
 
@Machavity What is a "hard redact' ?
 
same as if you self-deleted
 
Yea
 
7:06 PM
@user1271772 Means ROs and maybe even mods can't see the original contents of the message, like the feature that mods have for questions/answers
It removes the contents from the public revision history entirely
 
Mods cannot see the content after redaction either
 
used when someone posts sensitive/protected information like credit card numbers, health information, doxxing info, etc.
the redaction feature on posts takes 2 mods to complete, I dunno about chat redaction
 
So, this would not have happened if my message was: " blatantly off-topic: (URL of gaming question asked on SO)"
 
Probably the worst that would happen was moving it to dev/null
 
@user1271772 Correct, if you posted a cv-pls it will either be moved to graveyard eventually or dev/null if there were some issue
unless you accidentally deleted it and didn't realize, then it wouldn't get moved
well, actually I dunno, it might... I don't know if the userscript looks at deleted messages
it can since it runs under RO permissions
 
7:08 PM
If I deleted it myself, I'd still be able to see my username on the left and "(removed)" on the right
 
but I don't know if it does
@user1271772 Yes, in the transcript of the room wherever the message currently resides
 
It doesn't look like I have any recent messages in the graveyard. I'll check dev/null
 
Is the message you're looking for a cv-pls that was originally posted here? Or are you talking about a message that was posted in Charcoal HQ (which is on a completely different chat server)?
 
But only 2 messages were moved to dev/null in the last 24 hours and they were before I posted here. This was the smoke detector message I left right after posting the cv-pls here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/57963081#57963081
I posted a cv-pls here, then posted on Charcoal HQ saying that I did a cv-pls in SOCVR.
 
Any chance you posted it in a different room than here? Or did you use the generator?
 
7:13 PM
@IanCampbell this link: chat.stackoverflow.com/?tab=mine&sort=people which would only work for my account, shows that I'm only in 3 rooms: SOCVR, Git, Google-Apps-Script.
I didn't post in Git since 10 days ago
It's also easy to see that I didn't accidentally post in google-apps-script either
 
@user1271772 You have 2 meesages in the graveyard: chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
Ok it seems Nathan found it
 
I swear I must have looked right past that message. This is why Nathan is the RO.
 
I also checked several times
 
7:17 PM
Thanks everyone for helping me figure out where it went. I wanted to see what action was done on it, largely because if I'm using the cv-pls feature incorrectly, I should learn the reason and improve how I use it. In this case del-pls might have been more appropriate but I didn't realize that until later.
 
We should nominate Nathan for Room Owner. Currently he only just has an italicized name.
 
What a terrible audit. I would have definitely failed that.
 
@IanCampbell I took one for the team
 
7:33 PM
 
 
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8:38 PM
@rene Thank you :)
 
(I am the author of the edit; not sure if that makes me "involved")
 
Following up on my latest cv-pls ... who sets the scope for tags, should we be looking at modifying some old ones given the changes (extra sites, different focus) within the stackexchange network? The curl tags states that "ANY" usage of curl is on-topic, but the question above imho isn't really programming related at all ...
 
8:59 PM
@tink Maybe "The Team" should extend the Outdated Answers project to include outdated tag-Wikis?
 
Heh ... cheers @AdrianMole ... who's "The Team"? :D
 
Sorry ... de Teemz.
 
The Company Team
 
Right =}
LOL
 
How often does the new thing show up? Does it only show up to a selected testing group? The post wasn't too clear about that. I haven't seen it yet, personally.
 
9:06 PM
@10Rep "We are showing the prompt 1% of the time, but may increase sampling if we aren't getting enough responses."
 
Nothing about the way this question was answered makes sense to me stackoverflow.com/review/close/28961712
 
Why the hell do I get a notification right now that I have earned access to the close votes queue?
 
@Turing85 It happens on a schedule if you haven't used the queue for N days. I forget what N is.
 
@IanCampbell obviously too small. i propose setting N to Graham's number...
 
Haha, I agree
@DavidBuck You've seen the 45 comments going back and forth between the answer author and the question author?
 
9:12 PM
@DavidBuck I think the answer is just not concise. the important bit seems to be a = [text.lower()]
 
This says N is 30 days.
 
I've seen all of the comments. No idea why it's a string in a list. Even now it looks as if the answere thinks it's what the OP wants and the OP doesn't understand what the brackets are for.
Can't believe it took 5 edits and 45 comments to arrive at string.lower()
 
@DavidBuck I assume that OP does not know what OP wants... so nothing unusual, just daily business with customers :)
 
How did it reach 40 comments without them discussing it in chat? That's gotta be a world record.
 
I guess I've got something to spend 45 comment flags on...
 
9:20 PM
@DavidBuck They reached the conclusion fairly quickly, but the comments are more like a real world discussion.
 
@10Rep I'm still convinced that the answer has given her a string in a list because the OP used a list comprehension, and I'm sure the only reason the OP used a list comprehension is because they didn't know better. Just a rather atypical interaction.
 
9:37 PM
@DavidBuck LOL ... you better believe it ;)
 
I mean, using list comprehension to lower all the characters in a list is just dumb if you consider that string.lower() does the same thing at half the cost (best case O(n log n)). So the answerer is very new to python.
 
I am not entirely sure whether this question is on- or off-topic. My guts tell me that it is a k8s/nginx-ingress problem and therefore off-topic.
 
What's going on here? Is there an answer buried in that story, somewhere?
 
@AdrianMole It's an answer. No idea what the question is, though.
 
@AdrianMole I think it could be edited to answer a question. I don't think it attempts to answer the question.
 
9:43 PM
@AdrianMole It seems like an answer because the question is extremely off-topic, and the answer adresses that.
 
Just delete the question and that'll take care of both problems.
 
@IanCampbell Yeah - seems like the best solution.
 
The question says, "Why did my hdd stop working" and the answer is "Google got hacked". The question will probably get roomba'd.
 
But is 10 days soon enough? It hurts my head.
 
9:46 PM
If you have del votes to spare, go ahead. But I have none ;)
 
@IanCampbell Is, "It hurts Ian's head" a valid reason for a [del-pls] request?
 
oh come on stupid rule you can't flag as R/A after retracting a spam flag
this is why we can't have nice things, exhibit 1 million
 
Agreed
 
^^^^ Spam and R/A are two completely different things, so they should be seperate.
 
Saved by the hardhat. Better for headaches than ibuprofen.
 

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