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12:11 AM
 
12:47 AM
Needs Debugging Details or Duplicate? stackoverflow.com/q/67154090/2943403
 
Interesting case, Caused by typo turns into canonical with subsequent periodic edit war over if the typo in the question should be corrected or left "as is".
^^ more to the point, what is the correct decision on a suggested edit?
 
 
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@cigien It looks like a homework which needs some effort from the user
 
@Vega No, it's not homework. Or at least the OP never claimed it was homework. Also, the problem statement is clear, and sufficiently focused, so no additional effort is required.
 
It has homework form and not every user claims that it's their homework. The user is a student btw
After checking the history they had some code but was removed. I am out of ideas there
 
@bad_coder At long last, now my avatar has a theme song.
 
3:53 AM
@mickmackusa I'll be honest, I still don't fully understand the lyrics in that song (not a US natural). But seems appropriate for a ferocious reviewer as yourself. And the song sounds really cool.
 
(shame that I'm called a bum, though)
 
@mickmackusa LOL I had never noticed :D it's in a colloquial way :P
 
MacHeath background: lxg.fandom.com/wiki/…. (granted I am somewhat of a serial php killer)
 
@mickmackusa I was just reading that now, it does get A LOT worse :|
 
4:05 AM
@Vega Given the wording in the help-center, I can understand closing a homework help question that doesn't have an attempt. However, the question must say that it's about homework for that to qualify, otherwise every "No effort" question could look like homework, and that would effectively make "Lack of effort" a close reason. Which it isn't currently. Also, the failed attempt was removed because of a discussion that was had yesterday in this room. I can link to that if you want.
 
@mickmackusa aahh well, back to music "the usual sir?"
 
 
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7:52 AM
 
@cigien The question has morphed to something else via all that edits. The reference to DNA, as a major (IMHO) search keyword disappeared; the Op's code is gone, too. It became a 'sterile' how-to question. Sure, SO is better with how to questions, but SO is also for debugging questions. The user had a debugging question and now they will be 'spoon-fed'
 
8:22 AM
Is this an answer? Is the last line a rhetorical question or a real question?
 
9:19 AM
@DaImTo there is some guideline somewhere, asking not to post links other than to the question to be closed before the question link (or something very similar); makes sense (I clicked to the other link first). A link to Webapps Se is not actually necessary here
 
@bad_coder yeah, thanks for covering my lazy a$$ :)
 
@desertnaut they seem to use the userscript and that includes any custom reasons you used, which we also require. Their custom reason ended with a link to an SE site. I'm not sure if we need to overcomplicate this. The two links saga was caused by dupe vote requests where we closed the wrong question because of two links. I guess we can't solve all issues with our brittle setup.
I think we're fine for this specific case.
It doesn't look like my tools get confused by it but let me try to confirm
\o/ works
 
@rene if you say so, I have to believe you. I can only guess any relevant guideline had a practical rationale behind it; and as said, I clicked on the first link instead of the question, and it is not the 1st time it happens
I also include links to my custom message, but I don't reproduce it in full here
 
Yeah, I can see how that goes belly up. Maybe @Makyen can add a clear separator with enough whitespace between the custom text and the actual link.
@desertnaut what is your work flow then? Do you use the cv-pls userscript?
 
9:34 AM
@rene nope
 
@desertnaut Ah, okay. You're granted permission now to blame the cv-pls userscript for not being compliant with SOCVR rules. BAN THE SCRIPT ...
 
@rene I am a constructive person; I can criticise without asking for bans
 
@desertnaut hehehe :D
 
@rene I literally laughed-out-loud: " The two links saga was caused by dupe vote requests where we closed the wrong question because of two links."
 
Glad I made your day.
 
9:46 AM
"making my day" takes a little bit more than that, but it was indeed a good laugh :D
 
@bad_coder Dutch saying Een dag niet gelachen, is een dag niet geleefd
 
@rene I like this saying, and I only had to look up the last word: geleefs (verb, past participle "to live").
"A day without laughing, is a day not lived."
 
@bad_coder spot on!
 
10:31 AM
@MrUpsidown how's that a recommendation question?
 
10:47 AM
 
@JohnDvorak how is it not? "I am looking at the docs, did not find this option..."
 
@MrUpsidown functions aren't external resources
 
You can disagree with the reason, it's still a bad question.
 
@mickmackusa: with a "try this...." answer
 
11:17 AM
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Q: Let's go off-[script]!

TomerikooSome time ago I encountered the script tag through the newly created tags section of the 10k+ /tools. At the moment there were just a couple of questions and since it seemed unnecessary I retagged. Now, some months later, this tag already hosts 400+ questions (and growing)! I think this tag is no...

 
12:03 PM
Morning
 
12:20 PM
@mickmackusa I would not delete that question. It has a title that is far more likely to be searched on than the duplicate you closed it with.
 
@Nick Once it's deleted we can edit the title to match ;)
 
Zoe
@mickmackusa That can't be deleted
 
@Zoe why not?
 
Zoe
> This question cannot be deleted because other questions are linked as duplicates of this one.
Every single dupe needs to be deleted before that request becomes valid
 
@Zoe now you've given @mickmackusa a challenge! :)
 
12:26 PM
 
Zoe
I see 6 dupes on the list
 
Then how come it has one delete vote already?
 
@Braiam it's pretty sad how many of those questions have almost exactly the same title as the linked dupe. Evidently exactly 0 searching was done before posting...
 
Although, mick can change the target dupe, which makes the issue moot
One of the very few cases where it's actually useful O_O
 
Zoe
@Tomerikoo I have no idea, but deletion right now is blocked
 
12:59 PM
@Vega I think the "DNA" bit was a red herring for the problem. And yeah, the OP wouldn't learn as much if they're spoon-fed, but we don't generally care about that (not being a help desk and such). Anyway, Tomerikoo found a perfect target, so it doesn't need to be reopened.
@cigien @NathanOliver Could this be binned please? A duplicate target has been found.
 
Thanks.
 
@Zoe huh? I've already cast my delete vote and there was no interference. The vote stuck and there was no prompt denying me.
 
@mickmackusa This is not eligible for deletion, it seems to be a target for 6 other posts. Those targets will need to be adjusted first. You have a hammer, so I think you should be able to do that easily enough.
Oops, I see Zoe already mentioned that.
 
Zoe
1:08 PM
@mickmackusa Again, I have no idea why you were allowed to. It shouldn't be possible.
 
@Nick I'm actually burning out. I don't have time or energy anymore. I need to finish my presentation for joomla day USA this weekend and I don't have enough time for that either.
 
@Zoe All questions, regardless of score, can be deleted after being closed for more than 48 hours. The only thing that changes is the higher the question is voted, the more delete votes it requires. IIRC, it caps at requiring 9 delete votes
 
Zoe
@NathanOliver But not if there are dupe targets linking to it
That blocks deletion regardless of votes or time passed since closure
 
Oh, looks like there might be a bug then.
 
There are no bugs, only feeturz.
 
1:12 PM
Should I try adding a delete vote to see if it allows it for me?
 
Zoe
Sure, why not?
 
I get the error message.
 
@NathanOliver 10*
 
dang off by one errors shakes fist ;)
 
@mickmackusa I wouldn't delete that either. 217k views vs 99k for the target
 
Zoe
1:13 PM
Still makes the request invalid for the near foreseeable future
 
I've binned the request as we can't delete it. cc@mickmackusa
 
So, what happens if a post that is linked as a duplicate target gets 6 spam flags? Just sayin'.
 
Zoe
It'll be deleted and the links die, probably. The odds of that happening are essentially 0 though
 
@Zoe The odds of that happening are essentially 0 though ... doesn't seem to stop folks buyin' lottery tickets. :)
 
Zoe
1:53 PM
The odds of winning an arbitrary lottery (AKA the first number I copied of Google) is one in 302.5 million. The odds spam gets past 3k users (as well as everyone who can flag) not once, but twice, as well as slipping past SmokeDetector twice, and that one gets closed as a dupe of the other makes winning the lottery seem common in comparison :')
 
2:03 PM
@AdrianMole Community doesn't have any restrictions that mere mortals do. Also, I think moderators also don't have restrictions.
 
2:28 PM
 
4:18 PM
Why ain't the accepted answer pinned to the top of this thread? stackoverflow.com/questions/55092480/…
 
@AnnZen The answer is from the OP.
And when it's posted by the asker, it is not pinned to the top.
 
oh
 
4:33 PM
Need a close as what opinion please stackoverflow.com/q/67165839/1841839
 
@DaImTo Custom - this is not Google/YouTube customer support?
 
mck
4:59 PM
(out of CVs)
 
Is that seriously spam that they're hoping people will run the code and vote for their baby?
 
@DavidBuck I had no option to win. I'm pretty blurry ...
 
@rene Better blurry than spammy.
 
true that
 
6:24 PM
"Only" 300 points away from my Python hammer and I will leave you alone with all those duplicate requests... :)
 
6:41 PM
Out of CVs...
 
@bad_coder The SOCVR version of "it's 5 o clock somewhere..."
 
@bad_coder Triggerhappy? ;)
 
7:17 PM
@klutt Yeah, I'm doing my Spring cleaning and in between I took 5 minutes here, there...
@TylerH SOCVR version of "the last bar closed."
 
7:40 PM
can I delete my own question if it has been already answered?
 
@entithat Generally, no.
 
I'm ashamed of that :(
 
@entithat If you feel there's a compelling reason (and I don't think embarrassment is one), then you can flag for moderator attention and explain why you want it deleted.
 
oh great. Thanks
 
If the question has lots of downvotes, and no answer is highly upvoted, then a moderator may take some sympathy and delete it.
 
7:46 PM
@entithat Do note that what most users consider compelling reasons are not actually compelling reasons.
If the reason is "I'm embarrassed", then, well, sorry...
 
Moderators aren't really known for their sense of compulsion.
... unless it suits their Greater Agenda! ;-)
 
@TylerH just asking for the future \
 
However, you can always use the "Contact Us" form at the bottom of the site (in the footer) and request that a post be completely disassociated from your account. It will take a while for them to get around to it, but an employee will eventually disassociate it from your account for you, making it as if someone else asked the question.
In the case of disassociation, you'll lose all rep gains or rep losses from your account that were associated with the post, as well as all other records normally accessible from your profile.
It will appear as if another, anonymous user asked the question from the beginning.
 
actually, it is a good option
Thank you for the information
 
That's useful if an asker is embarrassed by a question, for example, but isn't very useful if an asker accidentally shared secure/private information like credit card numbers, healthcare patient information, or copyright-protected code.
 
7:50 PM
got it
 
 
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8:55 PM
:52023824 The edit doesn't seem consequential. The last paragraph appears to provide an answer to the question in both revisions
@tony19 That does not seem even remotely appropriate for Superuser.
Too Broad, perhaps, but modifying a website using a JS framework is not a 'general computing' question.
 
9:11 PM
@MarcoBonelli You may find this meta Answer interesting.
 
@Scratte uhm? Why should I?
 
@MarcoBonelli Since you can see the deleted post in question, and I imagine.. your own posts, I figured you'd notice yourself in there somewhere :)
 
@Scratte oh, I did not notice one of those was mine. Thank you.
Pretty funny, first time I've seen that happen to one of my answers :')
 
You're welcome. Some say being plagiarized is the highest form of flatter ;)
 
Haha I does feel flattering in a way
 
9:31 PM
@mickmackusa mick vs string into array :D
 
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@Braiam there is are a surprising amount of bad closures in this list and I'm just getting started. Some serious curate/love is required here.
No wonder the dupe target has so much attention, there are many roads leading to it.
 
9:48 PM
@mickmackusa Isn't 90% of everything crap, so not very surprising, no.
 
^correct
 
9:59 PM
This comment is on the link list stackoverflow.com/questions/27502567/… Does it need to be removed?
 
Comments pretty much always need to be removed.
 
10:20 PM
@Braiam Okay, after a medley of del-pls requests, adjusting dupe targets, and even reopening&answering; I've curated each item on the list. A few of the linkages were comment-only -- I've flagged them for removal.
 
@mickmackusa Why not keep this one?
 
The reason why I am campaigning for the removal of such an old flagpost with high traffic and votes is because it is role modeling posting behaviors that we do not want to role model. stackoverflow.com/q/5203950/2943403 Is showing a very weak mcve, has a code-only accepted answer from a diamond user, the page is bloated with redundant advice, the page has incorrect answer (deviated technique) and the question itself is an EXACT duplicate.
Stack Overflow does not benefit from having the same techniques sprayed across several pages -- all of which are easily found. This is unnecessarily noisey to researchers. Researchers that want to know if they've found the best advice, will need to search page after page. A better UX is to have all of the unique eggs in one basket.
If the dupe target doesn't have all of the necessary keywords or the best title, then edit it if you like.
 
I am all for deleting, but sometimes it is just not worth it. If there is less than 5 duplicate posts then why not keep some of them as potential signposts
 
When new users see that a code-only answer (of any age) to a duplicate question can generate tens of upvotes, they will be inspired and think that this is the way to earn points. Stack Overflow's massive expansion phase is over. It is certainly time to curate the best content.
This signpost is demonstrating bad posting behaviors. -- we don't want people finding this one.
If Stack Overflow is going to take the stance that answering duplicates instead of closing duplicates is "beneficial", AND answering and closing the same page is "foul play", then what I am hearing is that I should cease closing ANYTHING. I should treat Stack Overflow like the red hot dumpster fire that all other non-curators do. Maybe I should go the other way and stop closing/deleting redundant content. Maybe I should go full-blown rep hunter and make a right mess.
Since there is no "reward" for closing duplicates, then Stack Overflow is saying that it doesn't want me to close duplicates. I can't beat the herd, I should just join them in their myopia.
 
Relax, you are a little too roused up. There are literally hundreds of thousands of duplicate posts. Stack Overflow's stance is that as long as it doesn't harm anyone then what's the problem. If we find questions that polute search results, are misleading or unclear to be useful then we can delete them. Let's delete the worst ones first.
 
10:34 PM
Why does Stack Overflow need more than one mega canon for how to split the words in a string on spaces?
I am saying that this duplicate signpost does harm. It is wasteful of researchers time with its redundant and unexplained answers and it is demonstrating how to posts low-value answers.
 
Is it only me or did the advanced flagging userscript stop working?
 
Did you run out of flags?
 
@Dharman Nope, I just don't see the "advanced flagging" text under posts anymore. It was working earlier today. I don't even see any error in the console so I'm confused...
 
It works for me
 
Hmm, ok, must be an issue on my setup then
 
10:56 PM
@mickmackusa You could ask for a merge, but make sure the post have nothing you will regret later.
 
@Braiam There is nothing valuable from the later duplicate that isn't already in the earlier target. A merger would only bloat the earlier page and further damage the researcher experience.
Those who didn't curate properly over a decade ago have been well compensated for their contribution. This signpost can be taken down safely.
 
@mickmackusa At least you will have the opportunity of arguing that the same answer is redundant and can be deleted.
 
I'd rather reduce my total number of arguments and just trash the redundant page (skip the double handling). :)
 
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11:58 PM
^ Not sure if that's spam. I gave it NAA - assuming that the poster is just misguided. Google translate: I use it with a password, and I didn’t work with a password. I went to the research branch and paid the first time 50 pounds, and on the same day the same problem happened. The first time I went home, I went again and paid 50 pounds, and on the same day the same problem happened.
 

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