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1:46 AM
Is this on-topic? It's asking for a list, but the requirements are well defined.
 
2:24 AM
@JohnDvorak I don't follow. The code is complete, and the bug is described clearly in the question. What is the question missing?
 
@cigien It's got too much code.
 
@JohnDvorak I disagree. There's only about 10 lines of code, unless you're counting the print statements.
 
Clearly the print statements don't belong into a MCVE. For starters.
Some functions should be possible to merge to reduce the impact of the code style choice of leaving curly braces on their own lines.
 
Sure, but I think that's a bit of a stretch. It's not like the print statements, or the curly braces on their own lines, or any of the formatting gets in the way of reading the relevant code, which is what I thought the purpose of making the code minimal was.
 
The print statements don't make it easier to answer the question.
You are aware you're defending a homework dump, right?
 
2:33 AM
@JohnDvorak No, they don't. I agree completely that the question could be improved, but I don't think it's close-worthy in its current form.
 
There's always "resolved in a way that's not useful to anyone else"
 
@JohnDvorak How is that relevant? I couldn't care less if the question's a homework dump or not. It's on-topic and doesn't break any of the rules, that's all I'm saying.
 
do you think it's useful to have it open?
 
@JohnDvorak Not really, but I don't find most debugging questions to be at all useful.
 
How to edit this question? Seems like it could be boiled down to 1 sentence, the body and title being equal.
 
3:00 AM
nice of them to tell us it's a competition right in the title
 
@JohnDvorak OP has added in their attempt, and given examples of where their code fails. Is it ok now?
 
Still no. For starters, it's from an ongoing competition.
Second, an answer would have to ignore the code anyways, since its logic only covers a small part of the task.
 
@cigien I don't think that last edit improved readability...
 
@Nick Do you mean my edit?
 
yes
Methinks it's worse now. Polished, but sparse.
 
3:11 AM
@JohnDvorak Sure. Feel free to rollback, or edit it to be cleaner.
 
@cigien yes. The white space/content ratio is too high
 
@cigien Let's not spend any more time on a question that will self-delete in ten days
in general, and in concrete
 
@Nick Yeah, agreed. I edited it to be a little more compact.
 
Once again, let's focus polishing efforts on a question that has some value.
 
@JohnDvorak But I don't think it should be closed any longer, now that a MRE has been added, so it self-deleting is besides the point.
 
3:15 AM
As I said, it's too broad now.
And opening it would allow the asker to cheat at a competition.
 
@JohnDvorak Hmm, you mentioned that before. I don't see any mention of it being an ongoing competition. Besides, that's not actually a reason to close a question. I've had flags declined with the reason that SO doesn't enforce those things.
 
IIRC it's because SO would get in legal trouble - supposedly, at least - if it started enforcing foreign terms of service via their moderators.
 
So are we supposed to be closing questions where the OP is trying to solve a competitive programming question, and they run into issues?
 
3:31 AM
wow this is the first time I have tried to use stack overflow chat. So cool! Hi everyone! Hope everybody doing well amidst this pandemic. :)
 
quickly, where's the canonical for stackoverflow.com/questions/67144945/…?
or slowly, at least
 
Hi o/
 
3:57 AM
@RyanM perhaps you're being too liberal.
 
This quesion is a duplicate of a duplicate, created by the same user, who created a new account to post the 3rd duplicate. I can't vote to close it though because there are no upvoted answers on the original question.
Nevermind the OP just deleted it
 
@tony19 Raising a custom flag is the best bet in those situations. I think posting identical questions from multiple profiles is an abuse of multiple profiles, and they should be merged/deleted.
 
@cigien Gotcha, thanks
 
4:35 AM
@bad_coder I wavered a bit on that one...in the end I decided it was borderline, but did improve the post slightly. Your edit is, of course, much better. In retrospect I missed that it also code formatted "AVD", which I'd probably have rejected if I'd spotted.
 
4:54 AM
@cigien No, the fact that it is a question about a competition is something that should not be considered wrt. closing. It is something you can consider when personally choosing to answer, but that it is for a competition does not, by itself, make it off-topic here. cc @JohnDvorak
 
@RyanM hey, happens to everyone (a review were you change your mind right after hitting the button). Coming from you I trust it's such a rare occasion I might as well mention it.
 
Yeah, appreciate the feedback :-)
 
@cigien For this question is "timeout: the monitored command dumped core" really the error which would be produced?
 
@Makyen is it merely too broad then?
 
@Makyen It's not the error I would expect, but the division by 0 is UB, so depending on the environment the code is being run in, it's certainly possible.
 
5:06 AM
@JohnDvorak If the question is too broad, then it's too broad. I have not looked at any specific question with regards to the above statement, so I can't address if a specific question is too broad. The fact that it's for a competition, interview, homework, etc. shouldn't enter into deciding if it's on-topic or off-topic.
 
@Makyen do look at the question then. It can't stay open.
 
@JohnDvorak Which one?
 
"Find the length of the longest sequence of identical characters in a string" seems quite focused to me.
 
You may reask it, just not as is. Though I'd still not recommend it until the competition's over.
 
5:18 AM
@JohnDvorak Ask it how exactly? Personally I would remove the attempt (and risk it being closed for lack of effort, but that's a separate issue), but the problem statement seems fine. Also, and this is not relevant to it being closed/open, but why do you think it's an ongoing competition? It looks like a standard question from a competitive programming site.
 
The problem statement has a lot of extraneous specifications irrelevant to the core issue.
You don't expect input format specifications in a good question. Or the time limit. Or an about us link to the competition organizer.
Or second person speech.
 
Ok, edited. I think all your points are covered now. Is it ok?
 
I morally object to helping somebody cheat at a competition
 
@JohnDvorak That's understandable, and perfectly reasonable. I take it there's no objection to reopening the question then? Obviously, you shouldn't answer it.
 
You're still helping them by getting it open
 
5:26 AM
@JohnDvorak That's a reasonable position to take. It's quite reasonable for you to refuse to help the person or give an answer. However, Stack Overflow's position is that it being for a competition doesn't matter wrt. it being open/closed.
 
what's the rationale?
 
@cigien It's unclear to me what they are wanting. Their attempt appears to be completely misunderstanding what the problem statement is asking for. Are they wanting debugging (for what they are attempting) or new code written which does what the problem statement asks for?
@JohnDvorak I'd suggest looking on Meta. There are a variety of posts which put forth the position that we really don't care, as a site, what the particular thing is for (to a very large extent), but that each person can make their own judgement as to the activity being something they are willing to participate in.
 
I grapple with the discomfort of not closing no-effort requirements dump virtually every day. meta.stackoverflow.com/a/406860/2943403 @JohnDvorak
Cigien has asked me to cease requesting cv-pls for no-effort questions (which are sufficiently narrow) and I can't really argue against the policy. I find these questions to be disrespectful, but if we suddenly had a close vote reason for it, then half of SO would be justifiably closed. ..okay, 48%.
 
I wouldn't mind closing 48% of SO, if that leaves more of the remaining 52 answered
 
@Makyen The original post (Rev 1) was a "how-to" question (that I think was focused). Once the post was closed as "Needs focus", OP added their attempt. I'm pretty sure OP doesn't care if their attempt is fixed or if a new solution is provided. Would it be acceptable to rollback to Rev 1 (with a bit of cleanup) and make it a straight up "how-to" question?
 
5:43 AM
... let's not forget that 77% of SO is duplicated content!
 
Let's make closures even cheaper!
 
6:26 AM
^ closed by deceze
 
6:48 AM
@cigien I think that would be a better basis for a question. I would still not be thrilled with it, but would at least understand what it was wanting as an answer.
 
7:03 AM
@bad_coder Are you sure it was a true positive?
 
7:21 AM
@Vega uuhhh, don't know :| it was certainly "needs debugging details".
@Vega may I ask your opinion?
 
@bad_coder It was indeed in need of debugging details, but wrt spam, it was not tp :)
 
@Vega thank you, I had never understood (or consistently forgotten) what wrt means. Using a kind of newspeak mixing fancy acronyms with boolean logic that sentence could be rewritten as:
@Vega indeed ndd, ¬ wrt spam, ¬ tp :)
 
mck
7:54 AM
I should probably stop scrolling through machine learning questions...
A blackhole of close votes
 
8:08 AM
@mck Maybe we need a second room : SOCVR Black hole ....
 
Ola!
 
@DavidBuck What off-site resource is that requesting?
 
@RyanM It's not, but the actual close reason text is "Seeking recommendations for books, tools, software libraries, and more" and the OP's question "Could anyone advise as to which way to go?" is definitely seeking recommendations. Equally could be POB.
 
@DavidBuck I changed that line in a way that I don't think invalidates the answers. Thoughts on whether that fixes it?
 
8:29 AM
@RyanM Definitely blurs the line. Still feels like a recommendation question, but I'll let it go if you think that's the right call.
@rene would you mind moving this to /dev/null please
 
9:20 AM
@rene is speaking Portuguese? :O
 
@bad_coder if I am then Obrigado is the other word I know.
 
9:41 AM
@rene I see you are fluent! Next step is establishing close ties with the Cape Verdean community residing in the Netherlands. Extend your Portuguese to also include Creole. I know you like electronic music, here's their take on it NEUZA "Nta amabo".
 
10:21 AM
@JonClements He should be hungry no more today :/
 
 
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11:24 AM
Is this question on topic?
 
Not in my book, but people might argue
It would be more suitable here opensource.stackexchange.com
 
11:51 AM
@JeanneDark can't believe that someone upvoted this!
 
mck
@desertnaut artificial-intelligence... another black hole of close votes
 
@mck yeah, plus inappropriate use of the tag :(
 
12:32 PM
@mck Will the two black holes form a binary black hole? :D
 
@Machavity do we have a policy of not removing possible spam links from questions that are not link-only? stackoverflow.com/a/67148653/4685471
 
@desertnaut Spam should not be edited (meta.stackexchange.com/questions/110030/…). Spam is unsalvageable and should be flagged as spam.
 
12:47 PM
Would y'all mind looking at this question for reopening? While it is relatively broad, it seems specific enough to be answerable, and is only asking one, clear question.
 
@RobertColumbia again, this holds for pure spam; there are posts attempting to answer, which may include a (possible) spam link.
 
@desertnaut I'm not seeing how it is not spam. The user's username is the name of the site, and they link to it in their profile. I don't see why they could be here other than to shill for their website. IMHO 100% USDA SPAM.
 
edits different from removing links might also be in place (e.g. disclaiming affiliation); but I am still not sure
@RobertColumbia there is an attempt to answer. "Being here only to shill for my website" is not a directly verifiable statement
 
@desertnaut that's true, but then nothing is directly verifiable. We have to use our brains and try to figure out what people are up to.
 
@RobertColumbia not the case; link-only spam are spam, flaggable, and not editable. Not the case here
"use our brains" here might as well mean edit to add disclaimer
 
12:56 PM
@desertnaut it could be. I'm going to step away from the post.
 
@RobertColumbia yeah, me too. I did what I perceive to be my job and finished.
 
1:11 PM
What a question and what its answer!!!
 
2:07 PM
@Nick It's not spam. Just a poor NAA. The link points to a list of VB scripts for printing related stuff
 
@Dharman I disagree. The whole point of the linked page is to download vbsedit
 
No, I think you are focusing too much on that download link.
If you ignore that then what is left is a repository of scripts
 
and none of those scripts is actually relevant to the question
 
I voted to delete it but I am not going to punish the user.
 
2:23 PM
@Dharman Well, we can agree to disagree. As I said, none of the links are relevant to the question, and if you actually follow the links they all start with a button which is intended to download vbsedit. So I really don't see any point in the site other than getting you to download the product.
 
Ok, but then I would recommend to use custom flag and ask moderators to check if it is spam or not. Asking people in the room to flag a non-obvious spam might not be the most efficient way. I don't know if there are previously deleted answers pointing to the same link.
 
The answer was deleted anyways.
 
It might be spam, but I really don't have enough evidence to cast a red flag on it
 
mck
When I'm compiling a latex document on overleaf I'm seeing this... i.stack.imgur.com/HKvlY.png what a funny example of error messages
 
2:46 PM
@mck Task failed successfully.
 
 
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4:45 PM
@Makyen Ok, I understand, thanks. I'll make some edits to the question.
 
5:06 PM
^ Suggested edit: Add (thankfully rejected)
 
hello!
 
The above item from SD seems OK - not sure what it is trying to flag?
@PyCoder64 Hey
 
5:51 PM
Is this spam? There is the slightest attribution "our" but this is clearly self-promotion with not much attempt of a real answer
Otherwise asked - is this spam or just link-only NAA?
 
@desertnaut If the link is spam, the whole post is spam. If the link merely lacks disclosure, but can stand on its own, removing the link is useful (as well as linking to, say, the help center promotion page)
 
@Mac Thanks for the implied answer :)
 
@Tomerikoo For stuff like that, it's at bare minimum NAA (and would be deleted as such). If it lacks disclosure it's technically spam, but I'd go with NAA for a one-off post. Spam works better if there's a clear pattern
 
And now thanks for the detailed one. Got it
 
Had someone spam 5 separate posts this morning from someone who never disclosed it was their library
 
6:14 PM
@Machavity if the link (as part of a greater answer) merely lacks disclosure, why adding disclosure is not a valid option?
 
6:59 PM
Hello All,
I hope you are doing fine.
In a post I had recently, someone downvoted me with no idea why. I tried to add as much details as I can and I also added my approach:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67151741/representing-large-number-of-data-on-a-frequency-chart?noredirect=1#comment118697704_67151741
Can you please help me?
 
stray downvotes are just a fact of life; I don't think I understand what you mean by "the horizontal part data is intermingled with each other" though - are you trying to ask how to prevent the X-axis labels from overlapping?
 
@tripleee. Yes\
 
also "how to better represent" sounds like you are asking for design opinions, though I guess you are really just trying to ask for help with this specific detail
 
@desertnaut Depends on the answer. If it's a one-off and not link-only, disclosure is typically all that's needed.
 
downvoters rarely return to reconsider their votes but if you can edit to clarify your wording and the precise scope of your question, hopefully at least you could avoid additional downvotes
 
7:06 PM
@tripleee. Thank you
 
sure
 
@tripleee. How about now?
 
7:25 PM
@Abraheem please do not post bare links to your posts in this room. See our FAQ: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-not-noisy
 
How to handle a question written in two languages (English and Russian)? Should we delete the Russian part if it is more or less identical to the English part?
 
@Abraheem generally clearer, but you seem to have two questions - try to ask only one question per question, and what does "using timestamps on the horizontal bar" even mean? The X axis already seems to contain something which you call "Timestamps" in the legend
 
@Steve If they posted the same thing in two languages, I'd say it's OK to remove the non-English part
 
Yep, someone has already done that.
 
 
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9:10 PM
An answer of mine from Nov 2019 was just accepted by OP... :-0
 
@desertnaut LOL same happened to me earlier today! An answer from June '19 got accepted
 
@Tomerikoo hmmm... do you think it may be some secret experiment by SO...? LOL
 
Might be. I'm just happy with my new 15 points $$$$$
 
You mean point$$$$ ?
@Tomerikoo out of CVs, sorry... :(
 
Me tooo /crying emoji
 
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