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12:01 AM
Hmm, I thought rollbacks to any revision cleared any red flags raised after that particular revision. Am I wrong, or did that change recently?
 
@Dharman you are the unambiguous king of the del-pls realm :)
 
12:18 AM
@bad_coder I used to post so many cv-pls requests; it was starting to affect my life. But now, I don't post any ... I'm cured. I became a moderator!
 
@AdrianMole where does the quote come from?
 
@bad_coder My future? (Is that what the "future perfect" tense is??) xD
 
@AdrianMole I had forgotten "your majesty" quotes himself in the future, although shouldn't that be 2nd person plural then :P ?!
 
12:45 AM
@cigien There's a recent MSE post which discusses that this is not operating as expected.
 
@Makyen Oh, I'll look for it, thanks. Can mods see during which revision a flag was raised? If y'all can, is that something that's looked at when handling flags?
 
@cigien Yes, but only by looking for the timestamps and/or in the timeline. However, the fact that there's been an edit since the flag was raised is noted in the flag handling page in the basic view, but it doesn't say which revision the flag was raised against. Admittedly, that "edited" note isn't all that visible. Personally, I added some CSS to make that note more obvious.
 
@Makyen Ok, I assume you were referring to this one. It seems I saw that post (I've voted on it) and forgot all about it. That's unfortunate.
The issue that I noticed (it's come up a couple of times in the last few days), is that when a post is edited to contain some rude content, I R/A flag it. But there's a reasonable chance that someone else will rollback the version that has rude content. What should I do about those posts? Is it fine to R/A flag?
This is the example that just came up. Revision 4 is R/A IMO, so I raised that flag (from CHQ where I noticed it), but it got rolled back. I happened to notice that, so I retracted my flag, but I don't typically monitor every post I flag, so I'm bound to miss one sooner or later.
 
1:31 AM
@cigien If it's really R/A then it's reasonable to flag it as such. If it gets rolled back, it is a bit more likely that a moderator won't notice that it's been edited since the R/A flag was raised. My opinion is that the flag should be marked helpful/declined based on the contents of the post at the time it was flagged, with the possible exception of disputing the flag instead, in order for the -1 from a "helpful" spam/R/A flag remaining on the post.
However, if the OP really made the post spam/R/A, I'm not always that eager to mark the spam/R/A flags as disputed. It generally depends on the circumstances.
 
@cigien @Makyen In that particular case I felt that OP was just frustrated at getting no answers but lots of downvotes, so I rolled the post back. Had they done it again I would have flagged myself. I tend to keep posts I red flag open until they are resolved (one way or the other) to allow myself the chance to retract if necessary,
 
1:46 AM
@Makyen Ok, that makes sense. I'll flag according to the state the post is in when I see it, without worrying about whether the post might get rolled back, or edited in any way.
@Nick Your rollback was reasonable. Leaving it would have been ok too I think. I do like the idea of monitoring posts I red flag, but it's not really a sustainable strategy for me. Perhaps I'll adjust my criteria for raising R/A flags when the OP is frustrated.
 
 
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3:31 AM
higher order typo perhaps; I wouldn't have been surprised if it really worked like that but it don't. I edited it to improve the post and still decided to downvote.
 
 
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5:45 AM
^ probably approve the pending edit on that too, I rejected it when I hammered it but then reopened
 
6:14 AM
 
6:30 AM
is this server related? stackoverflow.com/q/67068562/1841839
 
@DaImTo Possibly, but " is there any service or app" is definitely seeking recommendations
 
@DavidBuck i cant decide what to close it as :)
 
@DaImTo yes and/or an external service. It is closed now.
 
7:02 AM
@karel you can escape square brackets in titles with a backslash \[ and so make the link look normal, eg. Take the [tour].
 
I saw it a few minutes after I posted it, but it's too late to fix it now, although the link is OK.
 
Isn't that something the userscript should do that for us? Assuming you used the userscript ....
 
@desertnaut Wow, I was thinking that I was too aggressive with my requests, but it seems that I don't need to be shy about requesting. Cool link. I hadn't considered doing a chatroom search like that.
 
7:28 AM
Is this possibly spam? The question is somewhat questionable, but the answers looks still suspicious.
 
@JeanneDark It's certainly written in the style of spam, but does answer the question. Better to close the question as POB.
 
Thank you
 
7:46 AM
"ANY ONE HELP TELL ABOUT EXACTLY HOW TO DO ?? URGENT! PLZ:-)"
 
8:24 AM
I wonder how many people fall for that scam
Interesting behavior when you flag a link-only answer as VLQ and it receives an upvote: Profile shows flag is pending, flag dialog gives no indication, only that VLQ can no longer be raised (but I can raise another flag).
 
8:52 AM
is this actually an answer?
 
@Ruli the question is: recommend me as thing. The answer is: This thing will fit. So yes, that is an answer even to the question asked. The question is at fault here, not the answer
 
9:07 AM
Is this consider as link-only? [if we delete the link, then that can answer the question too]
 
@EsTeAa I wouldn't consider it link-only. Link-only is something like "Have a look at this great [article](...)."
 
@JeanneDark So, we can say, when a answer is fully depends on the provided link, that called link only answer?
 
@EsTeAa Yes. For a more thorough discussion see this great article.
 
@JeanneDark thank you, but what should we do with that, leave it as not NAA, or edit and delete the link and leave it as not NAA?
 
I would not flag it unless there was something wrong with the link (eg. undisclosed affiliation).
 
9:39 AM
@JeanneDark thank you
 
@JeanneDark not to mention terrible English.... shudder
 
10:02 AM
Just posted my 900th answer :D
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@desertnaut Okay, nice! Now I have to ask: Is that including deleted ones? ;) Or did you actually wrote 2500 answers but those regex answers didn't stick ;)
 
@rene hmm... does the "Answers (900)" indication in my profile include deleted ones? :-0
 
@rene :) I can totally relate to that...
@JeanneDark I think that might even beat @RyanM best one
 
@Nick am I mising the joke here @rene ??
 
@desertnaut nope, that are just the valuable bits ;)
 
10:12 AM
@rene still don't get it, but if you say so...
 
@Nick yeah, I have had this few times where I was close to a gold badge on meta, I had the rep but not the required number of answers. Man, did I wrote some crappy answers to even more low quality questions just to grab that dupe hammer ...
@desertnaut you're fine. It is a nice achievement. Up to the 1000.
 
10:29 AM
 
@Dharman photo of printed code with non English text
 
migrate to SOru?
 
Re: the first spam post: I'm disappointed they didn't tag it
 
11:33 AM
The machine learning tag seams to be just as bad as the Google analytics tag for attracting off topic questions.
 
@desertnaut I gave that an edit. I'm not 100% sure it is an pure recommendation, also given the answer?
 
@rene there is still the title; you do have a point, my initial thought was to post the request as "focus, recommendation" - if it is not a recommendation request, the question "What's the solution of time out problem" is arguably way too broad
also not sure if we should use the answer as justification
 
stackoverflow.com/q/67074148/1841839 what should this be closed as?
 
@desertnaut the solution to a timeout problem might be: set timeout = Int32.Max. You have a point with the title. Not sure I want to edit that. I'll refrain from voting. Let's see what happens.
@DaImTo that is not a coding problem, right? Maybe start with unclear? I wonder if that wouldn't fit on webmasters.se?
 
@rene Does webmasters handel GDPR issues? I think thats my biggest issue with it its GDPR related.
 
11:47 AM
good question, I dunno.
 
lets go with that and see what happends.
 
12:12 PM
@rene please remove this "announcement", as OP deleted the question :( chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51979806#51979806
back to 899...
 
Can't you undelete one?
And you still posted the 900th answer ... It just didn't last :(
 
Raise a mod flag if the question + answer is worth keeping
 
@desertnaut we track how many answers we have given?
 
@desertnaut No, I allow you your moment of glory. It is still something you're allowed to be proud of and share with us. I'll remove it /unstar it once the stat is off by 6 to 8 answers (up or down).
 
@rene just needs to go and find another question or two to answer :)
 
12:19 PM
Yeah. I can relate. If you're just on the edge, it is so frustrating when someone decides to ruin your party.
 
@rene When i learned about gold badges trying to get one really stressed me out.
 
@DaImTo yeah, my SEDE gold badge on MSE gave me nightmares. So hard to reach and once I got there it would take a single delete or vote to put me back a bit.
 
Is this actually an answer? (Looks to me like, "I tried this but it didn't work...")
 
@AdrianMole doesn't look like an answer to me.
 
@rene yeah the first one on Google-api drive me crazy, but I got one on Google-oauth and didn't even realise it until i duplicated closed a question. Congrats on your gold badge :)
 
12:26 PM
@AdrianMole looks like NAA to me... really hard to understand the +2...
 
@Nick Yeah - the +2 baffled me, also.
 
@DaImTo Ha! nice!
 
@AdrianMole the question seems better suited to superuser too...
 
@rene Well, I flagged it NAA. If it gets enough delete/recommend deletion votes in LQP, then it goes to the moderators' Magisterium
 
@AdrianMole Would make a good audit ;)
 
12:32 PM
@JeanneDark 'Good' in the sense that it would appeal to those who are 'evil'? ;-)
 
To those who depend on MSO for entertainment ;)
 
@rene thanks
 
1:14 PM
@DaImTo the number just stares us in the face in our profile
 
@desertnaut I need to get a life. I just answer stuff i don't check the numbers much.
@Zoe Snarky answer. Google deprecates stuff created as a 20% project and that person left, and no one wants to work with old stuff when there are new shiny things out there.
 
@desertnaut congrats!
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@Dharman at least it wasn't a photo of a printed photo of code...
 
2:02 PM
 
^ Vandalized their own question by turning it into a request for recommendations ... interesting
 
Do we have rules against helping people be evil? stackoverflow.com/q/67076458/1841839
 
No, but they're usually too broad or otherwise lacking details. In this case I suggest "Needs debugging details" because it's not clear what's not working.
 
2:20 PM
Is gmail down for anyone?
 
@Braiam hacked / ransomware ...
@Braiam works for me. So no-repro. I close you as such.
 
@rene Yeah, something wonky is going on. Using proxies is working :(
 
2:56 PM
Yay, a national ISP has problems. Nobody can work with remote services.
 
3:08 PM
which one
 
NSA?
 
@Dharman Claro Dominicana, which is the local subsidiary of Claro Internacional. A Carlos Slim corporation.
 
@Braiam I pinged you, check your inbox.
 
@bad_coder When I decide to check my inbox I read it ;)
 
@Braiam well then I'm asking you to read my ping.
 
3:16 PM
@bad_coder When I decide to check them ;)
 
@Braiam that's considered a lack of courtesy, have it your way.
 
3:37 PM
@Braiam talking about the Dominican Republic, wikipedia says 1% of the population are slaves (literally "in slavery", "enslaved", "enslavement" in the strict sense of the word). Is that true?
 
4:03 PM
@VLAZ Who says "and per se and" at the end of the alphabet? AFAIK Z is the end of the alphabet...
 
@TylerH Zee or Zed?
 
@AdrianMole yes
 
ok that has to be a record for lack of effort.!
 
At least there is an explanation
 
ok he gets points for the title.
 
4:17 PM
@DaImTo nope. "see title" is a winner.
 
thing is there's like 5 403 errors, bet i could guess
 
4:42 PM
@TylerH if per se and were at the end of the alphabet, one would
 
4:58 PM
Just stumbled upon this question. I'm disgusted about the number of h1/h2/h3 tags in the answers. I wonder whether to do something about it stackoverflow.com/questions/3746725/…
 
@LucasBustamante If formatting bothers you then edit them
 
6:15 PM
@JohnDvorak it seems like that was only a thing for a few decades in the 1800s
@DaImTo questions asking for help with violating laws or 3rd party terms of service are closeable, so if you think someone is doing that, that's an option
 
@TylerH & was part of English at least around the first half of the 19th century. Not sure when exactly it was removed from it but dropping it left the 26 letters of today.
 
@VLAZ It was "part of English" for a lot longer than that... like 1600 years ago.
But ampersand was added to the alphabet 'saying' in the 1800s and then by the end of the 1800s it was gone again.
 
6:30 PM
ampersad?
 
@NathanOliver amperfrownemoji
 
Am I being trolled or am I being ambiguous?
 
@AdrianMole Hit him back! Tell him you will only accept answers in Swahili that use PHP 8.0
On a more serious note... I have no idea what that comment is saying either way
 
@AdrianMole they are just confused. That answer is fine.
 
6:45 PM
Do we have any Java folks active?
 
@Machavity I can check
 
I have a flag on this question regarding the reopen. They seem similar but I'm not convinced it's a pure dupe. A SME would be helpful here
 
@Machavity it's open?
 
@PetterFriberg Yes, and that was done recently. There's a request to re-dupe. Since it sat for years closed it's made me wonder
 
The dupe is better it's more general and have a better answer, overall it's old tech...
 
6:56 PM
@PetterFriberg That's what I was looking for. Thanks!
@AdrianMole I went ahead and nuked comments since it went to chat
 
@Machavity Thanks - the matter seems to have been resolved amicably.
Note to self: Be grumpy, very grumpy! :)
 
@Machavity I tried to think of a joke response to this but I'm coming up with nothing :-(
@Machavity makes me wonder if the dupe target should not have java in the tags?
 
@Machavity you should trust Balus more then me on that one :D, but yeah Balus have a really good answer on the other one and if I had same problem I would like to see that.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it should, at least in place of HTML. There is nothing to do with HTML in that
 
@TylerH yeah crawl back to your css :D
 
7:10 PM
I argue the [forms] tag should be replaced with [http] as well but, meh
@PetterFriberg Hey at least I can center an element on a page!
 
that's true...
 
shoves a rug over the <center> element to hide it
 
we have a GridBagLayout but noone knows how that works to center stuff...
 
@TylerH html*
forms isn't a part of the transfer protocol :)
 
7:12 PM
@Braiam no, http
HTML -> Java and Forms -> HTTP
 
I hate you.
 
The tag in general is of dubious usefulness/value
@EsTeAa got something?
 
@TylerH got that answer, I don't know what to do
 
@EsTeAa is there an issue with the answer? If so, flag/vote as appropriate
 
@EsTeAa Delete the question
 
7:14 PM
@EsTeAa close and delete that
 
@Dharman you got ninja'd
 
it's way too broad and in any case that answer is bad
 
@TylerH I am not sure, I am not familiar with that app (fluid), found it, so bring it here for all your attention :)
 
"Please if there is some more difficult way to do it DM me"
 
@Dharman @PetterFriberg that closed now
 
7:18 PM
yeah now we just need 20K to delete it, or we just wait for roomba..
 
@PetterFriberg No Roomba due to the accept; I have bookmarked it to return in a couple of days
 
let me know I will delete vote it also...
 
I don't have 20k, a poor human :(
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Yeah a puppy is watching us
Hi Jon :D
 
howdy... how goes the day?
 
7:22 PM
all great and you?
 
can't complain :)
 
You already got your vaccine?
these puupy's needs their vaccine
 
The puppy just pushed a vaccine :D
 
@PetterFriberg not yet... should be end of month I guess
 
darn UK is much better EU... EU have really made a mess
 
7:29 PM
Jon doesn't have Covid rabies :(
 
/me wipes foam from mouth... - yup all good here! :p
 
I can't even start to tell how upset I'm with EU... so I will stop here.
 
@PetterFriberg If you feel like you need to take a Brexit for a while, feel free ;)
 
Please don't mention von der Leyen or I will PetterExit on the spot
wow Mac I really like your answer on meta about changelog nice work
 
7:49 PM
Have the election messages been extended?
 
@PetterFriberg For ironic?
 
8:07 PM
@Dharman How so?
 
@Machavity See Mast's nomination codereview.stackexchange.com/election
 
@Dharman Maybe it was part of the election revamp
 
@Dharman Ah, remember the clunky Meta-post-as-questionnaire? That's now part of the nomination process directly. It's a new feature
 
Oh, nice
 
9:00 PM
Great Work here :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour they were already edited out, pls see the revision history
 
9:21 PM
@KevinM.Mansour Thanks!
 
> You can now upvote comments, flag comments and link directly to comments.
OMG YES
 
@Machavity could you kindly remind me - how can a post flagged as NAA have the review concluded with 4/4 recommending deletion, and still be there?
 
@desertnaut If it has a positive score, a mod has to review it
 
@Machavity OK, thanks (I am always confused with these details)
 
It's an easy one to miss because the moderator deletion isn't shown, just the reviewers
 
9:28 PM
The system is enabling a cover-up!
 
@TylerH ? ... Ohhh.. you're talking about the moderator nominations (I think).
 
makes it look like TylerH deleted bobince's HTML regex rant
 
I'll get an ill-informed Twitter lynch-mob suitably angry
 
@TylerH @DavidBuck how the heck did you discover this?? :)
 
9:42 PM
@desertnaut I found it because @TylerH posted a cv-pls for it
 
@DavidBuck yeah, I guess the recent edit in one of the answers makes it "recent" (had VTC'd before, but could not post a request here before that edit)
 
Some sort of script magic has taken place. I didn't link the question in my message, just a cv-pls tag, but I see the wpf tag and the question in my message
 
@Makyen Yes, sorry
@DavidBuck Yep, any link posted to a question with [tag:cv-pls] in it will automatically insert the first/main tag from the question after the cv-pls bit.
That's the URRS' doing.
@Machavity You mean now that it has that typo fixed after years of me lobbying?! I would never!
 
@TylerH But I didn't link to the question
 
ah I see now
That is also/still the URRS, but a different feature. Any reply to a message that includes a link to a question, where the reply contains , will copy the HTML for the link (in this case, the URL is behind the display text this) into the reply at the end
 
10:03 PM
@desertnaut Okay
 
@DavidBuck The URRS and Archiver assume you're intending to create a request from your chat message which contains an actual request tag and the chat message to which you are replying which contains a link to a post. Both scripts will treat the combination as a request of the type which is in the request tag you use. In general, the safe way thing to do is put the text of the request tag in code format, like cv-pls. In this case, I've edited your message to have the cv-pls in code format.
 
Please any moderator can review this question ...
 
@KevinM.Mansour If you're wanting to post a request for people in the room to look at and evaluate a question for closure, then please post an actual request using the format described in the FAQ section "How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?" In addition to what you already included in the message I'm replying to, it would need a [tag:cv-pls].
 
@Makyen Thanks .. I am still new :)
 
@KevinM.Mansour Yep. no problem. Please read the FAQ.
 
10:25 PM
Is it also ok to post a request about low quality answer ..
 
10:39 PM
@KevinM.Mansour It is best to flag for VLQ instead
(I think answers need to be downvoted in order for the VLQ option to be available).
 
11:04 PM
@KevinM.Mansour You don't need to add "close" or "delete" to your requests here. Use [cv-pls] for "close please", [del-pls] for "delete please", [review-pls] for review, etc.
 
11:30 PM
@KevinM.Mansour I've assumed that you really meant [tag:del-pls] (delete-please), rather than [tag:cv-pls] (close-vote-please). However, as stated in #11 in the FAQ, del-pls requests are not permitted unless the post is at most one downvote away from being eligible to actually be delete-voted. Neither of the two answers which you listed here qualify.
2 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null, invalid requests
 

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