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12:03 AM
@desertnaut yes, the CV reasons are what I thought. But I was surprised your CV didn't land almost immediately, you having run out of votes explains why :D
 
@bad_coder I would have probably missed it, it does not include the tags I normally monitor. Anyway, good job (voted now)
 
12:31 AM
 
 
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2:15 AM
@KenWhite now eligible for del-pls
 
@Nick Already done. :-)
 
@desertnaut All time close-record for the PyCharm tag was 10 in 1 day, when I started monitoring the tag. I've been closing about half the tag on a daily basis since. Lately I spend more time evaluating posts there for closure than actually picking something to answer.
 
^ Lately I spend more time evaluating posts there for closure than actually picking something to answer. amen
 
@mickmackusa yep, I decided to take it easy for 2 days (when I got back the newest questions list was a complete mess.) Now I can hardly read the listing with so many closed questions mixed in.
 
@bad_coder I am too scared to take it easy in the tag pool. It is positively flooded with new volunteers and super high reppers who do not know how to close anything. Then everyone flames at me for my curation -- calling me the php sheriff. I need a break, but there aren't enough active people who I can trust to "do the right thing".
I am woefully outnumbered.
 
3:32 AM
@mickmackusa lol, current sense give to "sheriff" in the Portuguese speaking world actually derives from a recent well known movie, check here "Sheriff, you are a boaster sir. The gentleman have 10 seconds to eat their lunch."
 
3:51 AM
Google Translate choked while trying to translate the comments, but yes, I am being called a bully as well.
 
4:09 AM
@mickmackusa lol, that's a cult movie in the context of (the contemporary) new era of Brazilian cinema called "pós retomada". The name of the movie is "elite squad" if you haven't watched it I recommend it with subtitles. (It's an engaging action flick portraying social conflict).
@mickmackusa "the sheriff" there is a random recruit chosen to act in a dual leadership role that also causes him to be brutaly ostracized and pressured to be the next drop out.
 
5:05 AM
should I mention that these were out of the suggested edits queue? I did some last week as well
 
5:29 AM
Morning
 
\o
 
6:19 AM
Did we just witness full-blown spam (seed) on MSO (likely thanks to teams)?
 
@JeanneDark Yes, IMO.
 
Thanks. A strange sight.
 
took them 6 to 8 days to discover that route ....
 
@JeanneDark what were you referring to?
 
@Nick there was an SD report, it's still visible in Charcoal if you are curious
 
6:33 AM
 
@JeanneDark @tripleee thanks - it's a sad day for MSO, although I guess it gave a lot of people the opportunity to get their first red flag :)
@tripleee I think definitely spam seed. it's gone...
 
must be one of those days ending in a "y"... :p
 
 
7:44 AM
@mck is it? What is the difference between two given libs with the same features / goal?
@mck maybe it is. I gave it an edit. Does that invalidate your cv-pls?
 
@rene Somewhat similar to why are folktale and ramda so different? I think.
Asking for a difference between two things.
 
That clickhouse thing seems rather broad
 
mck
@rene Yes, even if it's not a recommendation question, it still needs more focus/details
 
8:00 AM
^ the offensive answer is editable, but I'm not sure it adds something new and doesn't just repeat what the accepted answer says
 
@JeanneDark meh, let's NAA it tp get it removed
 
@rene I've removed the offensive bit and flagged NAA. I don't see any point in giving a red flag to a new user for something trivial.
 
being at 1 getting a -100 penalty doesn't seem much of a problem. Besides, I never mentioned red flagging but fair enough. Will handle with care.
 
@rene Sorry, I wasn't saying you did, but it does look like someone might have based on the -1 post score. Anyway, I left some (hopefully) helpful comments for the user
 
I sometimes spend two clicks on posts that have not much value. Now I even spend 3 on it.
 
8:14 AM
:)
 
8:27 AM
@JeanneDark how is that customer support? Its a question relating to the next update of the api. Anyone can answer that not just customer support.
 
@DaImTo Doesn't this apply: Why can't I ask customer service-related questions? They also ask many questions ("Will apps that only use the Google Fitness SDK to read steps be affected by the April 27th specification change of Google Fit? We build by v11.8.0, do we need to change to v20 and distribute to the Google Play Store before the April 27th?") and I'm not sure it is of lasting value ("before the April 27th?")
 
@JeanneDark again i don't see that as customer service related.
 
Your answer is mostly guessing, too
 
Zoe
I second customer support on this
It's way too localized to be of lasting value
Would be much better directed at a google forum or something
 
I was about to CV it before you answered. The point of customer service questions is that the SO community can't answer them definitively, which is the case here. If they need a definite answer, this isn't the place to get it.
 
8:40 AM
@JeanneDark im sorry you feel my anwser is a guess
 
Zoe
@DaImTo You have several "I think", "probably", and similar wordings. It's not an unreasonable assumption
 
@Zoe I have updated my answer for clarification to exactly what the change is that was made, why and how it may or may not affect their application as they are unclear as to which type of data they are currently accessing.
 
Zoe
@DavidBuck Strictly speaking, this is a double-edged sword: certain rejections in various application stores could be considered to have definite answers that can be answered by the community, but we don't allow them because dealing with policies in app stores isn't on-topic. When the question is whether it needs to be redistributed before a specific date, that's a matter of Google's policies and internal systems - AKA customer support, not programming
 
9:01 AM
Wow! Three spelling errors in one word ... polimorfizm
 
@AdrianMole Isn't that a prescription drug?
 
@AdrianMole It appears in 4 different posts so it must be valid...
 
@AdrianMole More seriously, might be Russian or Polish or similar.
 
Polysh?
 
@VLAZ Polish indeed
 
9:05 AM
It seemed Slavic-ish. And I picked the two Slavic languages with largest amount of speakers. So, yay me.
 
it's not like the conventional English transliterations of Greek phonemes is obvious, straightforward, or logical, either; if that's how it's spelled in Polish, makes vaguely sense to assume it's the same in other languages
 
@VLAZ According to Google Translate, it is the transliteration of полиморфизм as well. So right on both counts.
 
Yeah, it'd be the same either way. Russian (or Cyrillic) transliteration would normally result in the same word because the letters that form it are also the sounds for pronunciation. A transliteration is also the literal translation of Cyrillic words. But it's a bit flawed because then English has these extra ways to pronounce some vowels or letter combinations.
 
@VLAZ Polish is weird because it uses both digraphs and accents for some of the native sounds which do not have correspondents in the Latin alphabet
 
The name "Ivan" is quite annoying. In lots of movies it's pronounced "Ai-van" With the i sound of iPhone. But the correct pronunciation is "ee-van" with the i sound of idiom.
 
9:10 AM
Czech is vaguely more logical, using accents throughout
 
@tripleee Yep but I tried to avoid that - I mentioned the Cyrillic to Latin transliterations. According to a Polish girl I know, the Polish pronunciation rules were made as a form of torture.
 
Should this lesser page be deleted or merged into the duplicate? It has a lot of votes, but the earlier dupe is a better basket of insights. stackoverflow.com/q/11539511/2943403
 
they are fairly logical still compared to English orthography
 
Having worked in China for years, I'm well aware that the question "But why is it pronounced like that?" is usually only answerable with "because it is"
 
sometimes you can flesh it out a bit, like "because when Caxton began typesetting books, he employed Dutch craftsmen to whom this particular spelling convention from their language made perfect sense for English, too"
or "because other words which are vaguely similar to this one are Latin loans which got borrowed through French, and then people just assumed this one too obeyed the same rule"
or "actually, it's not; it's just that Americans can't spell their own language"
 
9:17 AM
The symbol & is called "ampersand". This actually started as a mistake - it is called "and" like the conjunction. It was part of the English alphabet for a while until it was removed as redundant. When saying the alphabet out loud you'd end with "X, Y, Z, and per se and" meaning that you also add the literal symbol "and" at the end. "andperseand" turned into "ampersand"
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hadn't heard that one!
 
10:14 AM
Presumably, this sort of post, although well-intentioned and likely to be helpful, is still actually NAA.
 
10:44 AM
Is this typo? (See comment)
 
@EsTeAa The question says that they can't change the TD width. The commend basically suggests to change the width of the TD. The response was "that worked thanks!". I'd agree it's not terribly useful for future visitors. Unless they also decided to just not do the thing and google to find out they need to do it.
 
11:01 AM
@EsTeAa And now there is an answer that makes it seem like a dupe
 
11:27 AM
@desertnaut This will roomba.
 
@Dharman hmm... seems I am still confused with some of the roomba details :(
 
@desertnaut It has no answers and a negative score.
 
@JeanneDark @vlaz @Dharman thanks - I had the mistaken impression that this does not apply to posts closed as dups
 
@VLAZ WOW! THANK YOU
 
11:32 AM
@desertnaut Dupes are only special insofar as any answer, regardless of score, prevents Roomba. Else it just takes a little longer for duplicates to Roomba.
 
@JeanneDark thanks
 
@Tomerikoo You're welcome. That would be one firstborn, please.
 
@VLAZ Will be delivered upon birth
 
Thanks. So far, I have several firstborns pledged to me. Now I just have to figure out what to do with them once I get them.
 
11:37 AM
._.
 
11:54 AM
 
Is this NAA? I got confused by the up-vote and too much words...
 
@Tomerikoo looks like NAA to me.
 
@Tomerikoo I don't see an answer to the question ("Where and how do I change that behaviour") or any question. Looks like report of a related problem to me.
 
Thanks for the confirmation @rene @JeanneDark I wasn't sure
 
The OP was also already aware of parameters being added ("I figured out that strapi adds a parameter to the file e.g ?2304.4005 which corrupts the get of the file to AWS.")
 
1:12 PM
Quite a lot of answers in French posted today.
 
@JeanneDark Probably a response to new lockdown restrictions in La Republique?
 
@AdrianMole Then let's hope the restrictions can be lifted soon!
 
@JeanneDark Amen to that! (Sorry, don't know what's French for "amen".)
 
@AdrianMole Possibly "ainsi soit-il"
 
Maybe. Don't have an Aramaic->French translator handy.
 
1:27 PM
That must be one of the, if not the, least readable images of code.
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Zoe
Ikr
 
Zoe
I've seen a lot of bad questions containing images of code, but that image is pretty much what you'd hang up in a museum to define unreadable
 
@JeanneDark it honestly looks arabic due to the bottom half of each line being cut off for some reason
 
It's certainly possible, but it's too blurry for me. I think we have a better chance at identifying what kind of flower rene is ;)
 
1:42 PM
 
1:56 PM
I need your opinion about this answer
 
@JeanneDark Thank god they included all that white space. Otherwise I wouldn't know what default resolution they normally keep their monitor /s
 
Anyone see anything odd about this NAA answer? I flagged it a day ago and despite dozens of flags being handled already, it's just sitting there, despite the fact that it's obviously NAA. stackoverflow.com/a/53434019/7508700
 
Not enough downvotes
 
@Dharman There are never enough
 
It also doesn't help when there's an incorrect review
 
2:03 PM
@Machavity True, but that's from 2018, so my NAA should have put it back into LQP
 
@Machavity Mods blaming innocent reviewers ... shameful!
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole "innocent"
 
Did someone say downvotes?
 
@Zoe All reviewers are innocent until deemed guilty. ;P
 
Sec, lemme get my pitchfork downvote wand
 
2:14 PM
@AdrianMole No, until they chose "No action needed" or "Looks ok"
 
@JeanneDark Heh. I've been summoned for Jury Service on Wednesday. Maybe I'll be elected Foreman of the Jury and, when asked for the verdict, I'll say, "Needs Community Edit!" xD
 
@AdrianMole The only correct action is to raise a flag!
 
@AdrianMole "I'm sorry, sir. You can't edit the defendant's actions"
 
Zoe
@desertnaut I think you got the wrong link
That was closed 29 minutes ago
 
@Zoe ^$#&*$# you re right, thanks
 
Zoe
2:20 PM
^^
 
closed by @Machavity now
 
@Machavity But I can defend the editor's actions. :)
 
fuz
2:38 PM
I do not understand why my question was closed: stackoverflow.com/q/67050798/417501
This must be a mistake.
 
Zoe
Nope
SO isn't a changelog
 
@fuz the closure looks fine to me.
 
fuz
@rene Why would Super User be a better fit? This is about specific details only programmers care about.
@Zoe So in a similar way, the hundreds of questions every day asking about changed APIs are off topic, too? That doesn't make any sense at all.
 
@fuz it is too broad. The close reason is wrong.
still needs to be closed
 
fuz
@rene How narrow would it need to be for you not to close it?
Narrow it down to one of the three points?
To one specific instruction?
To one line in the spec?
The mind boggles.
 
2:43 PM
@fuz you want us to create a list for you. It is unclear how long that list is and if it is complete.
 
fuz
@rene That's because you have no idea about the problem domain. To an assembly programmer, this is actually fairly clear cut.
 
Zoe
@fuz There's a difference between asking about a specific change and asking a specific question to that and saying "So there's a new version of <this technology>, please tell me everything that's now better or new"
 
@fuz Why don't you ask: If have this assembly <code> I would like to be sure it runs on ARMv8-M Mainline. How can I verify that?
 
fuz
The thing is, going over the manual, 95% of the stuff is exactly identical to how it is in ARMv7. And hunting down the details is a mind numbing task. I am sure others have already colated the details.
@rene The answer is “yes”. All ARMv7 code will run on ARMv8-M. This is not the information I need. I want a diff so I know what new features they are.
 
Zoe
If you already know it's 5% different, you already have the info you need though :eyes:
 
fuz
2:46 PM
Because it says nowhere what the pretty small set of stuff is that is actually new.
 
@fuz then what is the problem? Why do you need the diff?
 
fuz
@zoe Are you trying to be intentionally dense? I've checked about 10 pages out of the over 1000 of the manual to get a general impression.
@rene So I know what new stuff is there for me to use as a programmer/compiler writer.
For example, suppose I generate ARM code. I need to know which new instructions I have to teach my backend.
 
Zoe
@fuz Nope, but whatever floats your boat.
 
fuz
For comparison, Intel has these sorts of diffs. The diff is usually a few pages and can be summarised (to a degree useful as an answer) in one or two paragraphs. So definitely in scope for a Stack Overflow answer. And tremendously useful.
 
Zoe
So you're looking for someone else to go through 1000 pages so you don't have to? You're not making great arguments for reopening it here
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fuz
2:49 PM
@Zoe No, I'm looking for someone who has relevant experience or has already went through the pages (which there undoubtly are people). Knowing specs like these by hard is an assembly programmer's daily bread, so it's really not much to ask.
 
Zoe
Yeah, exactly. You're looking for someone else to go through 1000 pages for you so you don't have to
whether they've already done it or not is completely irrelevant from a closure point of view
 
Please don't add meta commentary to your question
 
fuz
I still don't understand how that makes the question off topic. It has a defined scope.
 
Zoe
@JeanneDark Reverted
 
fuz
and is also answerable within the space of a Stack Overflow answer.
 
Zoe
2:51 PM
@fuz "Please make an program that does <insert list of requirements>" also has a defined scope. Doesn't make it any more on-topic, nor does it mean said scope is good
 
@fuz Is it? if there are 900 pages with changes?
 
fuz
It is “asking someone else to go through 1000 pages so I don't have to” in much the same way as questions asking people how to get started with HTML is asking someone to go through 1000 pages of W3C specs so the beginner doesn't have to.
@rene From my experience, I can tell you that the actual amount of changes are very few. And I have done some random spot checks to make sure of that.
 
Zoe
@fuz No, it's more equivalent to asking for a short summary of the entirety of W3C (or another source of documentation) for "learning purposes"
 
fuz
Again, you have no idea about the problem domain yet are certain that this is an insurmountable task.
 
Zoe
You gave up after 10 pages. That doesn't help your case
 
fuz
2:54 PM
@Zoe Yes. Such a question would be e.g. “how does SMTP work?” Perfectly fine, yet requires the answerer to summarise 1000s of pages of specs.
 
There's a lot of folks in here who know a lot about closure. And I tend to agree that's... really broad
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fuz
I did not “give up” (in fact I'm still collating and would have most likely self-answered by the time I'm done). I just decided to open the possibility of someone else having already done this.
So far I've found about 10ish important things that changed and would be relevant for an answer.
 
@fuz if you insist that we have no idea about the problem domain then I can't help you any further.
 
fuz
@rene Do you have? If so, I'm sorry.
I see no contributions to [assembly] and 0 points for [arm] on your profile. So I assume you do not (or at least don't like to answer questions in this domain).
 
@fuz are the changes subgrouped? It might be possible to ask about a change in a more limited set of spec, like has heap access changed. But I also don't know enough about assembly to help.
 
2:58 PM
It doesn't matter if I have or not. I can reason about closure / re-open and keep that separate from my actual knowledge in a tag.
 
fuz
@code11 I have already subgrouped the changes into three main points.
I can restrict the question further, e.g. asking only about instructions that have changed.
But as people feel comfortable judging if this is too much to ask without having a clue about what I'm asking about, I doubt this would change anything.
 
@fuz I see 425 reviews in your profile so I assume you have not much experience with closing and re-opening.
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@fuz It's not about [arm] tho. It's about answerable questions. There's three separate questions alone in your question. Per the help center "This can often be fixed by breaking the question into multiple questions or focusing on a specific part of the problem."
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fuz
@Machavity I agree. Part (3) can be eliminated. However, part (1) and (2) are strongly related and make a lot of sense asking together.
@rene I'm sorry. How many reviews does it need for me to have enough experience? 1000? 10000? 1000000?
@Machavity Would you reopen the question if I get rid of 2 of the three points? I don't believe this would convince anybody with the points that had been brought to the table.
 
@fuz It is about the spirit, not an exact number
 
fuz
3:04 PM
@rene I believe with 425 reviews I have a good overview over the general concepts. Yet I would not dare closing a question unless I understand what it is about.
 
If it was broken up, I could see it being reopenable. Changes between specific versions is something we have other similar questions on
 
fuz
@Machavity Well it doesn't really make a lot of sense to break it up (since the two questions will have pretty much identical answers except for some “doesn't apply to baseline” here and there), but if it makes the site happy I can do it
 
@fuz awesome: we're on the same page.
 
fuz
@rene No, I don't think so. But for now I'm playing your game if it makes you happy.
 
I'm very happy.
 
fuz
3:10 PM
I understand how enforcing rules over common sense can cause that feeling.
@Machavity ^
 
I think that's fair enough for reopening. Looks to be in the same vein as C++. Anyone else disagree?
 
Feel free to mod open it.
 
I agree it's now acceptably in-scope
though I'm not personally a fan of 'list of' questions... just go look at the release notes
 
fuz
@TylerH Unfortunately there are no release notes that go into sufficient detail.
 
3:24 PM
@fuz Shouldn't you reach out to the creator(s) then? How would some Stack Overflow user know the answer of what exactly has changed between the two versions?
 
what if the publisher didn't release release notes?
 
fuz
@TylerH There are many industry professionals with very deep knowledge of these details on the site. They have answered similar questions before.
I wouldn't have asked the question (except perhaps to self-answer) if it was a matter of 5 minutes of googling.
 
@JohnDvorak Technically, not our problem. Look for a better vendor.
 
@Braiam hard to do after you'd already bought the hardware
 
@fuz I'm not saying you haven't done legwork, just that I don't think such questions are useful on SO. Poke the creator to share exhaustive documentation on their website.
 
fuz
3:28 PM
@Braiam Or after manglement decided to use this hardware.
 
@JohnDvorak I'm sure that they knew that before hand. Don't know why the surprisedpikachuface.jpg
 
fuz
@TylerH Right. Because ARM ltd. is just going to do that. Maybe I should try...
 
@TylerH why wouldn't it be useful?
 
If developers don't require vendors to document their stuff, who's going to do it?
 
@Braiam us, apparently
 
3:29 PM
@fuz I mean one would think being a major processor company they would track that stuff and already have the information. Maybe the document simply isn't publicly listed and you have to contact sales/support for a copy. Maybe it's a guarded secret they refuse to share, I dunno (but that info isn't listed in the question).
 
fuz
@TylerH Have you ever programmed in assembly? Knowing which CPU generations support which instructions is one of the most basic things you need to know. For x86 for example there are tons of resources about this out there.
 
Vendors (and people in general) move based on (dis)incentives. So, you need to incentivize vendors to do that. Using SO to list all the changes is a clear disincentives. Why I'm going to invest in something someone is doing for free?
 
@JohnDvorak because it's a very broad question with no good answers: either the answers are just gonna repeat what's readily available, or they're going to be incomplete/unverifiable answers based on what someone has discovered through experimentation.
 
fuz
@TylerH ARM doesn't really bother to make this kind of document. They have their Architecture Reference Manual and that's supposed to be enough. ARM just assumes that people don't program in assembly and toolchain vendors pay people enough $$$ to figure this out on their own.
 
@fuz I don't think assembly is unique in knowing the specifications is useful for being able to write code. But that isn't my point.
 
3:31 PM
@TylerH it could be complete but still a compilation of multiple sources
 
And probably ties in with the more specific question: Is SO a changelog?
 
@JohnDvorak You could go in the right direction by having a CW answer as the top/accepted one, but that requires the question to be CW to enforce on a system level, at least.
 
fuz
@Braiam even if it is not a changelog, that doesn't make any questions asking about what changed off topic.
 
SO is a collection of questions and answers, and "what's the difference between v7 and v8" is a question ... with a potentially useful answer if it does get one.
 
fuz
I assume and am fairly certain that the answer is less than a page of text btw.
 
3:33 PM
@fuz No, it would make it a very boring question.
 
@Braiam There do seem to be a number of those types of questions. I checked for an example that I know the domain about, that of java 8 to 11 and theres lots of stuff like this, which I would consider too broad.
 
Also, one that will have no authoritative answer.
 
fuz
@Braiam Many exceptionally popular questions are fairly boring.
 
@Braiam answers don't need to be entertaining, just informative
 
@fuz Note that I am not saying the question is off-topic (as per current site rules). If you look you'll see I am one of the reopen voters. :-) The previous messages are all just my personal opinion/viewpoint on such questions.
 
3:33 PM
@code11 Existence of questions doesn't make another one a acceptable one.
 
fuz
@Braiam and neither does it make it inacceptable.
Is there a relevant meta question on this subject?
 
There are a few ones on MSE I believe
 
@fuz Yes, they are not pretty. For your cause, that is.
 
but none of consequence on MSO as I recall
 
I'm voting to close this question because it is boring.
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fuz
3:35 PM
I mean clearly we don't want the [big-list] type questions.
 
... then there's that old joke (based on truth) about the Yellow Pages entry: "Boring" - see "Civil Engineers"
 
@JohnDvorak They need to be practical, not just informative
 
fuz
What's mainly bothering me here is actually not the closure, but rather people proudly exclaiming that they closed the question while knowing that they have not understood what I'm asking for.
 
@Braiam that looks plenty practical to me
 
@JohnDvorak Which practical problem I'm trying to solve?
 
3:37 PM
@Braiam emulation / cross-compilation?
That's just one option.
I don't suppose that Fuz posted the question just out of sheer curiosity
 
fuz
@JohnDvorak There are a number of motivating things. One of them is wanting to update the disassembler shipped with mecrisp-stellaris which due to space constraints needs to only be able to disassemble the instructions that are actually supported.
 
@JohnDvorak Eh? What?
 
@AdrianMole would every question about programming Tesla car MCUs be a Boring question?
 
How a changelog solves that?
 
fuz
And there is maybe a handful of new instructions that were added among the ~700 on the list.
 
3:41 PM
@JohnDvorak To me, yes. But I appreciate that there are a few other users of the site.
 
fuz
and some instructions weren't added, but merely moved between profiles, so I actually have to look at every single one.
 
If you are telling me "I have a program in arm, there's a new version and something random broke, here's the traceback", this is a practical problem.
 
@Braiam If you want to compile a program, you need an exhaustive list of things that the program might attempt to do
 
@fuz unfortunately I don't think the site has enough subject-matter experts for each tag that are also willing be curators. Active curators can only do their best in applying the rules, and some times there may be a divergence of opinions on how to interpret those rules. I would just trust their judgement, comply as much as possible, and move on. Crowd-sourced websites will always be imperfect devices.
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@JohnDvorak That's the definition of too broad.
 
fuz
3:42 PM
@blackgreen there are actually quite a few such experts on [assembly]. One of them has even commented on the question.
 
You don't really need an exhaustive list of everything you can do, but how to make it do something specific.
 
fuz
For example, one of the curators (Peter Cordes) has worked tirelessly on filling the [x86] tag wiki with heaps of reference questions.
 
:51975076" my client's emulator no longer works. the emulator didn't change, so it must have been the program they're compiling. That one's a trade secret and way too big to post here"
 
@JohnDvorak That would be unclear
 
@blackgreen the lack of potential answerers isn't a close reason
 
fuz
3:43 PM
@Braiam A changelog allows me to add the relevant instructions to the disassembler and be done in 30 minutes (including testing).
 
@Braiam "they did however tell me that the compilation broke when the program dropped v7 support and started supporting v8 only, so what did change between v7 and v8?"
 
@JohnDvorak of course it isn't. I was the third one who cast the reopen vote, btw. I'm just saying, don't take it out on the question closers, it's bound to be unproductive
 
@fuz Better documentation from your vendor also solves that, and you don't need to wait for some randos to do the legwork.
And it's better, they could publish them before you need to do them :D
 
fuz
@Braiam I have no chance to obtain better documentation.
 
@Braiam do you really think that a big honking megacorp will be more flexible to produce a changelog on behalf of some rando if they didn't already have one?
 
3:47 PM
@fuz if you don't ask the vendor for it... of course the chances would be nil
 
@Braiam so, if they bring a proof they asked the vendor for a changelog, the question becomes on-topic here?
 
@JohnDvorak And that's exactly why I don't want SO to do it. Companies should be responsible of the products they create.
@JohnDvorak Nope, see ^
 
fuz
@Braiam Makes sense. So one has to ask the vendor for help before posting on Stack Overflow or else one is doing everything wrong.
@Braiam Dude, don't try to enforce rules arbitrarily in support of your political agenda. Not cool.
 
@fuz No, you should be getting proper support from your vendor, or move to one that does.
@fuz What political agenda? It's basic expectations.
 
@Braiam should we close all hospitals to people with self-inflicted injuries (and doing dangerous sports counts as self-inflicted)?
 
3:49 PM
If I pay you for your product, I expect you to actually support it.
 
fuz
@Braiam Your "let programmers hang out dry in the vain hope that the vendor will spit out some more docs" agenda
as in, "force programmers to not receive help because that might convince the vendor to maybe do something"
 
@fuz You are characterizing: let vendors that don't provide proper documentation hang out dry in favor of those that do.
You are their client, it's your money. Make them make your money worth.
 
"we don't support AMD because AMD can't be bothered to provide any documentation. You have to buy an apple to use our product"
 
fuz
@Braiam They don't even make money from me. This is an open source project.
 
@JohnDvorak Hey, better than nvidia.
 
fuz
3:51 PM
Certain companies would love if they could stop open source just by not providing documentation...
 
@fuz And that's why I don't buy Nvidia :D
Nor I recommend anyone to do it.
 
@Braiam to support graphics card vendors that try to starve out open source ... and indie devs ... by paywalling all documentation?
 
And yes, I know how dominant nvidia products are in certain markets, that doesn't mean that I would help their dominance.
@JohnDvorak By supporting companies and projects that do publish documentation.
 
@Braiam which is...
 
3:53 PM
It's voting with my wallet.
@JohnDvorak Not Nvidia :D
 
Aren't you voting with the wallets of everyone who wants to use open source products by starving them of software if they buy your disfavorite card?
 
I don't support vendor locks-in. And yes, I know I have an iPhone, but not by choice.
@JohnDvorak I don't see how that is relevant or even logically connected with our discussion?
 
An opensource proyect would welcome with open arms that I document their thing in their documentation repository. Companies that do it for profit, shouldn't get that for free, they are already getting paid.
 
but if the card produces finds it a loss to support open source, then by documenting their cards, you aren't doing them any favor?
 
3:58 PM
@JohnDvorak Again, not even logically connected.
 
Documentation is responsibility of the vendor, it should be on their whatever, not on SO.
If said vendor is opensource, then they should have a way for me to contribute to their documentation as they are opensource.
 
9 mins ago, by fuz
Certain companies would love if they could stop open source just by not providing documentation...
no, no, vendor = AMD, indie dev = some poor fella who just wants to run a cool tech demo powered by GPGPU
 
@TylerH Couldn't find any good hits for this changelog type question on MSE after some time searching, so I asked on meta. If anyone has a dup link on hand, feel free to eviscerate.
 
fuz
@code11 thanks
 
4:08 PM
@code11 I'd suggest adding the motivational example of what prompted the question ... as a screenshot if you want to prevent a meta effect
 
fuz
@code11 Yes, please do.
 
@JohnDvorak I do not see how that could be helpful
 
@fuz You want me to incur the meta effect on your question? I hesitated to do that since it wasn't mine.
 
to clarify what kind of changelog / changelog answers you have in mind
 
fuz
@code11 I don't mind.
 
4:10 PM
Alright. Ill edit it in. Although having the general question answered would be good as well.
 
fuz
@code11 Indeed. If it gets closed for good, I have other options for places to ask the question as well.
@code11 Now they've started voting to close your meta question
 
Thats fine if its a dup. But I think there was some good guidance people provided in there regarding where the boundaries of different close reasons lay.
 
5:05 PM
Already received 2 answers.
 
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8:16 PM
@TylerH The from @Dharman and @Vickel just above your last message refer to a question which has been closed, translated to English and subsequently reopened. Unless they disagree, I think they can be /dev/nulled
 
@DavidBuck for me OK
 
8:33 PM
@TylerH @Dharman binned as a duplicate request of VIckel's a bit before yours
@TylerH @Vickel Binned as the post has been translated to English. If you think the question is CV-worthy for another reason, you may re-request.
@DavidBuck Taken care of, thanks
 
8:47 PM
@Machavity 500 in the graveyard... Lets do 500 more.
I'm starting to consider getting a userscript...
 
9:36 PM
 
9:55 PM
@desertnaut @TylerH Could this request be binned please? It's eligible for roomba, and desertnaut asked for it to be binned already (but was possibly missed because an RO wasn't pinged directly).
 
10:10 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
@cigien yeah thanks, it's always tricky how to ping ROs when no one specific seems to be around at the time
 
10:26 PM
@bad_coder jesus... have I really posted 3.1K cv-pls requests in a year? What's wrong with me...???
 
@desertnaut nothing!! That makes you a fine vigilante, errrh, citizen =}
 
@desertnaut we need to start a "cv-pls anonymous group" :P
@bad_coder ^^ one more CV to set an all-time daily close record on this tag. (After this I'm taking a couple days off if I can.)
 
10:49 PM
@tink if you have a minute, the above ^^ sets one for the history books if reviewed before 0 UTC.
 
11:09 PM
@bad_coder =}
 
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11:38 PM
@desertnaut I'm not as bad as you. I only posted 2492 del-pls request in total.
 

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