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@πάνταῥεῖ I see sample input, sample output, an expression of the required logic, what is going wrong and a code snippet. What is missing?
 
@mickmackusa Debugging efforts and observations. I am a bit picky about such information. Besides that the example is far from minimal.
 
I'll bow out as I don't C++.
 
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3:56 AM
I'd like an opinion on a macro pile: stackoverflow.com/q/66450490/14768 open/close?
 
@Joshua I can't see any reason to close it. Do you have some specific reason in mind?
 
The code block clearly isn't complete enough to try to compile, but that's more of an excuse. To me it looks like a doomed question due to trying to make a bad idea work.
 
Yeah, while it's possible to do, I agree it's a bad idea to try doing it that way. While I wouldn't mind closing the question, I'm not able to come up with a valid reason to close it. At least, the real reason I would be closing it would be a reason to close most macro questions, and I don't think that would be a good idea :)
 
 
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7:18 AM
What is the favorite way to flag the answer where the poster just copy pastes their name in non-English a few times? ^
... I mean how would Mods prefer to have it flagged? I've heard of "abuse of resources" but not sure what is best here.
It isn't spam.
It's just rubbish.
 
@mickmackusa I decided on VLQ. I'd be careful with R/A flags because not all mods would mark them helpful (I guess only the minority would). But you could use a custom flag and add the google translation. It makes it clear that it's abuse of the system. I only do this if they are actually insulting people though.
 
I think I did NAA, but I wasn't confident that it was the most ideal. @JeanneDark
 
@mickmackusa If it had been in English (let's say "John John John...." I would have flagged as R/A) but with foreign languages I'm more careful and usually use VLQ unless google translate shows it's spam or insults. VLQ is pretty fine for non-English content (especially since actual answers may get translated) and also covers gibberish. A bit of a weaker R/A flag.
 
@JeanneDark I used to use VLQ for non-English content until I got a mod comment on one flag to tell me to use NAA
 
@DavidBuck I remember that you mentioned it once. I didn't experience problems with VLQ though, not for non-English content or link-only answers.
 
7:33 AM
IIRC it wasn't declined, and I've done lots of VLQs for non-English in the past, so it's probably not a huge deal or you'd have had some declined by now.
 
@mickmackusa I picked R/A because it's nonsense
and also because it's seemingly got a bunch already and I'm pretty sure a handling moderator would look closely instead of assuming we all suddenly decided to misflag non-English content at once
 
7:49 AM
is it just me noticing this or is there suddenly a lot of airline spam popping up on SO?
 
There's was a lot of it already yesterday and the day before
 
It's not just you, we're up to 21 in the last week
 
@TheGrandJ they are on the fly
 
 
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11:24 AM
Is this NAA or is the "I conclude that there isn't other possibility than to update our OS and Xcode." enough?
 
11:42 AM
^ I am not reporting that to SD. Looks like an honest question. Off-topic. Also too old for cv-pls
It survived for 1 year 5 months! 🤯
 
@Yatin Also, don't bother delete-voting the answer ... just delete the question and it will take it with it into the pink void.
 
Yeah makes sense.
 
@Yatin: ah,... did not see that
 
Np... it had to go.
 
@Yatin Maybe they were waiting for the Spam-Flag system to break? ... Oh, wait ... they missed their chance! :-)
 
11:53 AM
Hehe :p
 
12:48 PM
 
Morning
 
@NathanOliver Good morning! This is awesome btw :p
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I'm consistent ;)
 
Also, Good morning
 
:p
 
1:06 PM
is this NAA?
 
Hm... I tried editing it but it looks more like a comment.
 
 
2:00 PM
Are these 200 edits waiting to be made?
 
Yeah, but if you do that then I guarantee it will result in a war with that user
I think this deserves a Meta post or a mod should talk to them
 
Honestly it's a better question for Meta. I wouldn't touch that as-is
Flags are great when you have a clear course of action. Meta is better when you need to determine what that course of action is.
 
I'm personally willing to let it go. They don't harm the site by posting these noisy keywords and this is not a war I want to fight. But if someone wants to go to Meta and set this matter straight then be my guest
 
@Dharman Yeah, but if it's allowed, I would like to do the same.
 
Is it part of the solution? No? Then remove it from the post.
 
2:06 PM
It may benefit people searching for the answer.
 
Same as Cheers, good luck, regards, HTH, etc.
This is what question tags are for.
 
No, I meant how SO search really needs it.
I'm only saying if it's allowed.
 
Better ask Meta
 
@AnnZen The general rule of thumb here is "avoid noise". I know of at least two users who regularly violate that and post needlessly long noisy answers.
If I had to hazard a guess, this guy is doing it for SEO reasons, not realizing that it adds no value to either SO or SEO
If you need to add keywords to your answer, instead of including them naturally, you're doing it wrong
 
@Machavity Isn't search engine optimization a good thing?
@Machavity oh okay
Thanks, bye.
 
2:12 PM
@AnnZen It is... if it works ;)
 
@AnnZen I used to do SEO, back in the days when you could market a website to Google and only Google and make tons of money without directly spending a dime. Doing what he's doing is called "keyword stuffing" and it hasn't been effective for a long time
 
Presumably, the two most recent answers here are just misguided (I've flagged both as NAA) rather than plagiarism. IMHO, they should both go (but in slightly different manners).
... and the other ain't so good, also! :-)
 
I tend to agree, but be careful with NAA flags there. I could see such answers surviving. Might need a mod flag in the future
 
@Machavity In case of a "Thank you" answer that copies the helpful answer's content, does a comment linking to the other answer help?
 
@JeanneDark It does. The best flags I see in the mod queue are those that tell you "this answer copies this other one [link]", which lets me open both to compare
 
2:26 PM
Thanks! I've done that in the past and the flags had the desired effect. I was just not sure if the comments helped and another user said mods usually didn't see comments.
 
@Machavity Are you encouraging me to retract my NAA flag, then?
... or maybe I'm due for a "declined"?
 
duh, OP updated their code and finally revealed the typo they had been hiding ... can I cv-pls if I delete the answer I already posted?
 
@JeanneDark There's some truth to that. The flag is shown below a condensed version of the post. We can expand it to see comments, but for NAA/LQP it's quite possible a mod doesn't do that
Mod flags tend to invite more investigate, however. The better the flag, the more likely you get the desired result
 
@tripleee Yes ("You are "involved" in the question and all answers to the question if you are the author of the question or the author of any non-deleted, non-community-wiki answer on the question.")
 
@AdrianMole Looks like a comment to me as well. But your average user doesn't know that one. I could see it winding up disputed if it had been left to the queue
 
2:32 PM
oh closed for other reasons already
 
Thank you!
 
@JeanneDark thanks!
 
@Machavity Sounds good, thanks. I noticed that it did actually pass "Late Answer" as OK ... I only came across it via the other one (in "Later Answers").
 
@AdrianMole The question post contains "an answer" that could be a comment, too?
 
2:35 PM
@Double-expresso Yeah. But I'm "review-fatigued" on that whole post, now. ;)
 
I left a comment hoping the OP will do the job
 
 
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I've been away for a while, but I gotta say... I love the new look of *-pls generator
 
@M-- I think @Makyen likes to get the compliments ! Thanks for noticing!
 
@M-- Thanks! I'm glad you like it. I hope it's helpful. :)
 
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it is, I also like the competition with advance flagging :D (NATO and SD check boxes)
 
5:20 PM
@M-- Until you mentioned it, I wasn't even aware there was a competition. :) A lot of the credit for those checkboxes goes to @Shree.
 
 
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7:52 PM
SN10 in countdown for a test flight T -00:22 approx.
 
@rene finally
been checking off and on since 9AM
 
engine chill started, YT stream
 
That thing looks like a rocket from the '50
 
8:11 PM
SpaceX official stream is up too now youtube.com/watch?v=DDEgFsefrGw
 
NNNOOOOOPPPPPEEEEE
 
booooooo
 
Misfire
 
had audio muted due to meeting -- was there a hold hold hold at the last second?
 
no hold command
 
8:15 PM
dang
 
Nope, they fired it up and it shut off
 
Nope, just ignition, *pushuuum*, abort.
 
They're venting tanks. Done for today
 
Curious where this room thinks this question fits on the "some subjective questions are allowed" clause: stackoverflow.com/questions/804115/…
 
@pkamb I'm afraid that you will get (sees current user count) about 20 different opinons
 
8:17 PM
For the record, that question was asked in 2009.
 
Personally, I would never refer to that question for anything.
 
Can someone remind me - are we permitted to include neutral comments like "requirements only" in addition to the close reasons in our requests?
 
@Braiam never refer to it? Seems to be the canonical "merge vs. rebase" question on SO
 
@Machavity if I rude flag 3 comments on a post, do/should I also mod flag the post?
(3 by the same person)
(which is the OP)
 
@pkamb That may be true, but I presume that it doesn't exist
 
8:26 PM
@gunr2171 If there's a pattern broader than the comments, yes. Otherwise if they hit the threshold of comment red flags we get an autoflag
 
as in you specifically dislike that question / knew of it before I posted? I don't get it :)?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Yeah, that's fine, you can add any additional information about the post that you think is useful, so long as there's at least one standard reason in the request.
 
make that 4
 
@pkamb No, I said that is irrelevant. It has no bearing on any decisions I take day to day.
Nor would be an example of anything I want or not on the site.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica if it's neutral/objective, about the question rather than the user, and a reason to close the question, then yes it's fine to include
 
8:34 PM
@gunr2171 just for interest is it this stackoverflow.com/questions/66464064/…? I only want to know if I catch it all
 
yeah
 
ok thanks
 
 
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@swasheck We don't moderate users in this room. As has been mentioned, if you have an issue with a user, then raise a custom moderator flag and explain the issue. Insulting people is inappropriate, regardless of the provocation, let alone coming into a chat room and insulting people because they don't agree with you, or because they are explaining how things work in an attempt to help you.
 

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