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12:08 AM
@cigien I understand and fully agree on what you have written in a procedural level. My point is on a different level: if there is a rule in place in order to protect something, which rule is OK to break if you do so unknowingly, then that something was not worth protecting in the first place, and the rule is pure BS.
 
^ I am actually thinking of nuking that whole question in 2 days.
 
12:25 AM
@DanielF Your first course of action needs to be posting a question on the Meta site of the SE site where you think they should be migrated. Get that community to clearly express their desire to receive these old questions. At that point, you can contact a CM (perhaps using a mod as a liason) to discuss the possibility of getting the questions migrated.
Other than that, as was mentioned, a historical lock is an option, but has significant disadvantages, as you note. I'd be hesitant to apply that, unless there was evidence that those questions not being locked was causing significant problems. I don't really see the issue with leaving them here, but closed. (If any of this useful content ever gets deleted, ping me. ASAP. I'll fix it.)
@desertnaut I support anyone who leads a crusade to maintain the quality and scope of content on Stack Overflow.
@desertnaut I wouldn't say that the onus is on you, as the requester, to go check Meta for any prior mentions. However: (1) if it was Meta that brought the post to your attention, then obviously hold off on making requests about it in here, and (2) it needs to be left to the discretion of ROs to bin requests if they feel that they were too recently discussed on Meta.
(Having a request binned is kind of like having a question closed; it doesn't necessarily mean that you did anything wrong. It just means that someone with privileges made a judgment.) Also, cigien already made this point better than I did, so that's nice. Thanks @cigien!
 
@Dharman Meh. I'd leave it. I nuked some of the terrible answers, tho
 
@CodyGray good to know; if I ever meet such a person, I will inform them that they can count on you
 
:-)
 
@CodyGray BS rules, when they get conflated with interpretations, assumptions, and opinions, only bring more BS on the table.
 
While I understand and agree with what you're saying, I also think that's inevitable. The alternative is not having rules, which results in worse BS.
I strongly prefer to have humans interpret the rules and apply judgments in individual cases, rather than to have inflexible blanket prohibitions.
 
12:35 AM
nope; there are rules, and there are BS rules. I am clearly talking only for the latter.
 
You think that it's BS to have a rule that says you shouldn't request closure of a question here that is under active discussion on Meta?
 
@CodyGray if you go back, you will clearly see that my issue started when this "if ever' entered the discussion (seemingly from nowhere)
 
Ah, that phrasing wasn't intended to be taken the way I think you read it.
That is, it wasn't trying to establish a rule saying "never".
 
you were not the first to imply it; you have just confirmed it - rene said the exact same thing
@CodyGray didn't I mention something about interpretations, assumptions, and opinions??
 
Meh.
@JimGarrison Neither of those are close reasons. When making a closure request, please use either one of the close reasons provided by the system or a legitimate custom close reason.
@desertnaut The reason I included the phrase "if ever" was basically as weasel words. I was allowing the possibility that the rules might be interpreted that way. I was not trying to establish that as the rule.
 
12:42 AM
only you did so
 
@JimGarrison Please provide a valid reason next time. The question might be unclear or too broad, but being a homework question with no effort is no reason to close
 
I did not mean to do so?
 
@CodyGray what's that supposed to mean? You have just re-iterated that you are allowing the possibility that the rules might be interpreted that way
 
Allowing the rules to be interpreted that way is not the same as saying that the rule is meant to or must be interpreted that way.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null (invalid/inappropriate close reason)
 
Coming from a mod (+ rene), it is not that different either
 
12:48 AM
Frankly, I think "ever" is a little silly. I would not plan to (ever) enforce that.
The point is to prevent posts from getting handled in here when they are under active discussion on Meta. The problem is setting a threshold/brightline for "active".
 
It is not just silly; it is laughable and ridiculous. Allow me very kindly to suggest that, next time, you refrain from adding such "weasel words" in similar statements
 
Weasel words are handy for keeping our options open.
If, at some point in the future, I or some room owner decides that a post should not be actioned in here because they feel it's under discussion on Meta, I don't want to get into a debate about whether it's been "long enough".
 
and your plan not to ever enforce it is not a surprize, simply because it is not enforceable
@CodyGray so, the practice you came up with in order to keep such possibilities open, was "if ever"...
in order to avoid a future debate
 
Yes? Why does that seem so unreasonable to you?
 
suggesting in a current debate something that, according to your own words, is "a little silly", just in order not to limit your options in a possible hypothetical future debate? well, I don't know... I'll let you guess
 
12:59 AM
You do realize that everything I say here, on Meta, and virtually everywhere else is regularly thrown back into my face, right?
 
Of course! What I don't get is how you think you will avoid it by throwing such weasel words and then trying to partially cancel them. Where do you think that leads?
 
The original phrasing? It avoids constraining future options for enforcement. Now, you've asked me to explain, so I am explaining my actual thoughts.
 
Which are again available for anyone wishing to throw them back into your face in the future...?
This is what I meant where do you think that leads. You want to keep future options open? Perfectly fine & understandable - what I would seriously suggest is trying to say less, not adding more ("weasel words")
 
I have a hard time saying less.
 
WHat is the result now? In order to avoid future hypothetical debates, you are having one with me - here and now
 
1:08 AM
I'm not trying to "win" anything in this discussion.
 
That makes two of us
 
1:27 AM
@πάνταῥεῖ The target on this isn't right.
 
Does this qualify as an answer? stackoverflow.com/a/65911668/1839439
 
@Dharman yes, it tells OP how to copy their divs, manually. Not quite what they were looking for so downvotes and vtds are appropriate...
 
1:58 AM
@cigien Minor note: the person you replied to cannot vote to reopen, because they have <3k rep
 
@RyanM Yeah, true, I didn't look. They can raise a flag, right?
 
There isn't a specific reopen flag, so they'd only have custom flags at their disposal, which isn't great. They could edit to make it clear the target is wrong and wait for the reopen queue to handle it.
I can't imagine most mods being willing to arbitrate the correctness of C++ dupe closures.
With some notable exceptions due to them being SMEs.
 
Right, as it should be for arbitrating dupe closures. Yeah, it's not a lot of great options. In this case, since there was a single closer, they could have messaged them I guess.
Frankly, I'm not used to giving curation related advice to low rep users on Main. It just doesn't come up all that often.
@πάνταῥεῖ I just realized I can't actually ping you in a comment without auto-complete because I can't spell your username. How do I do that?
 
Copy type an @ and paste, I believe even a would be fine ;-)
 
See "How do the names get matched?" here
 
2:11 AM
Oh, do you mind testing now. I'll write one.
 
Sent. Did you get it?
 
Sweet. Thanks :)
 
@sideshowbarker I don't think this needs code or a concrete attempt; it seems pretty focused to me
 
 
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3:42 AM
@RyanM @cigien And...that's precisely what happened. Fortunately, they are getting exceptionally lucky, finding a mod who is willing to arbitrate the correctness of C++ dupe closures. :-)
They had one other shot, too, if they'd run into a Tree.
 
4:34 AM
@Shree Isn't that question asking for the official Spark SQL docs? That would be on-topic.
 
4:46 AM
@cigien Not sure about the official link but request for the off-site resource. Attract to spammy posts. Already accepted answer. I think no harm to close.
 
@Shree Request for off-site resources are fine if it's for official docs. This post is over 3 years old, and hasn't attracted spam yet. We don't close questions because there would be no harm in closing them. We close questions only when there is harm in leaving it open.
 
The answers are entirely link-only answers. This is not good for SO because links die. I support the closure.
 
How is one supposed to provide links to the official docs, except as links? If we don't allow that, literally every request for official docs becomes off-topic.
 
Answers are expected to embed/hardcode the insights directly into the answer. When those links die/change, then the answer is useless. The question has and will attract low-quality answers. @cigien
 
^ +1
 
5:01 AM
@mickmackusa I'm confused. Are you suggesting that the entire documentation of Spark SQL should be pasted into the answer as text?
 
There is no reason for that post to have been closed.
 
@CodyGray Why do you close and reopen this post: stackoverflow.com/questions/59784675/…? It seems that you did that action to involidate the other 2 closing votes, don't you think that you are abusing your powers of moderator?
@CodyGray I do not dispute that but some members of the community vote because we believe that, and you come with your superpowers to eliminate our closing votes
 
Do you not think that I should be able to vote because I believe something?
 
5:18 AM
@CodyGray The point is that you are a moderator who abuses and eliminates my vote, or do you think that my vote is worth less than yours?
@CodyGray Do you think I can do the same with one of your actions?
 
Questions get reopened all the time, so... yes?
 
the friendly bin room has been frozen again, I can't remember what I did last time to unfreeze it (but vaguely recollect some mod stepped in, and did something which was supposed to prevent it from freezing again)
 
@CodyGray No, they don't reopen so quickly
 
@tripleee Mods don't have any way of preventing a room from freezing. There is a bot that will automatically post a message in a room to keep it from freezing; maybe a mod set that up for you? I've unfrozen it for you manually, though (mods can do that).
 
@CodyGray thanks, good enough for now ... I'll try to figure out who to get to put a bot there
 
5:25 AM
The JS folks have a bot for keeping chat rooms thawed. Sam Liew has a script that keeps them thawed whenever he visits one.
What did you move to that room? It shows that a message was moved, but... no message appears?
@eyllanesc So the problem was that I acted too quickly? I should have waited longer?
 
@CodyGray It was this message.
 
Ah, misread the timestamps.
 
@CodyGray No, the problem is not the time, but you abuse your power to annul my vote
 
@CodyGray yeah, they displayed confusingly for me as well, it said "74 days later" both above and below that one
 
That's what I thought! But now it looks correct, once Makyen gets ahold of the link. I assumed I had just misremembered or misread.
 
5:37 AM
Move messages posted in the destination room don't have a link to any messages. Move messages in the source room link to the oldest message which was moved. In this case, there was only one message moved. So, I went to the source room (linked in the move message in the destination room) and followed the link to the moved message, which was in the move message in the source room.
If there was more than one message moved, finding which were moved would require either remembering the movement notification when it came over the WebSocket or when announced in the room, or going through the history for every message looking for when it was moved in order to match the movement timestamp to the move message.
 
Yeah, the weirdness for me was what tripleee also remembered: it said "74 days later" both above and below the moved-in message.
So I excluded that one from the list of possibilities, even though the link had suggested that was the one.
 
5:55 AM
@cigien The first subquestion in the question seems on-topic to me. What standard does Spark SQL comply to? However the second subquestion takes a turn for the worse when it asks: Where can I find a comprehensive list of the SQL supported by Spark? Stack Overflow does not endeavor to be a "traffic router". When answers to the question are entirely comprised of link-only content, then the knowledge is deemed too fragile to rely upon.
This is fundamentally why SO doesn't permit link-only answers. Because the only appropriate answers are links, this page should be closed and deleted.
To save the page, remove the request for off-site resources. Then remove the answers that are low-quality / link-only. Then the page becomes empty and useless for researchers. Effectively, it is not a good page for SO.
 
 
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@cigien Are you noticing that the users that posted an answer to that question don't actually need to know anything about the question tags? All they need to do is know how to use Google search. As stated before, my stance is that the whole page should be burned. The question generally asks, [Can I have a hyperlink please?] Do we want people earning tag points in this way? I think not.
 
usefulness of the post for new visitors should be the metric, not whether the information was hard to produce
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@mickmackusa 1) I'm a little confused. Is the question poor because it can be answered by non-SMEs? I'm not sure I follow that logic. 2) And as I mentioned, asking for official docs is an exception to the Seeking Recs rule. If I'm wrong about that, I'll ask for my request to be binned. 3) Yes, you've made it clear you don't like the question, but you have not given a standard reason to close it.
4) I couldn't care less how users earn tag points, or reputation. If the question is worth adding to the repo, I'll add it, regardless of whether users earn rep from it or not.
 
7:16 AM
@cigien I support the current close reason. It is asking for an external resource.
If those links die, the page falls flat and becomes useless. This is gospel for why we delete link-only answers. The question is only as useful as the links posted. How about we open the page and convert the link-only answers to comments under the question?
It could also be reasoned that the question is Too Broad because it is asking for all of the correct syntax for all of SparkSQL. A narrow question would say, I have a query that looks like "this", but there is a syntax failure. How do I correct this one query?
Randy, on the page, offered a link as a comment. This seems like the most generosity that should be afforded for a closable question.
 
@mickmackusa I'm really not sure how to respond to this without essentially repeating everything I've just said, but I'll give it one more shot. 1) It's a question asking for official docs. That makes it an exception to the Seeking Recs rule. 2) Yes, asking how to fix a syntax error would be a narrow question, but that's not even remotely close to what the OP is asking, so I don't see how that's relevant.
3) Yes, links can die, but if the links are the answer, to my understanding that is acceptable.
Since you've already voted to close the question, if you still disagree with my argument, it seems your only option is to ask an RO to bin the request and/or raise this issue on Meta.
 
Finally, when I searched Google for "What is Spark SQL", the second result was spark.apache.org which clearly has menu items dedicated to explaining the SQL syntax. I don't see any real value in the page. Anyone looking for it is going to find it without Stack Overflow waving them through.
 
@mickmackusa The existence of a resource somewhere else does not preclude it from being added to SO's repository.
 
I don't know why you feel "1.)" is an exception. If I asked, "Where is the online PHP Manual?", that little doozy would be downvoted to oblivion and swiftly closed.
 
@mickmackusa Valid, useful questions get downvoted to oblivion and swiftly closed all the time. What's your point?
 
7:32 AM
That SO has no interest in collecting pages comprised solely of hyperlinks which eventually die/change.
 
@mickmackusa Also, I feel (1) is an exception, because I've been told that. There's a Meta by Shog9 that keeps getting referenced every time this comes up. I can look it up if you like.
 
@cigien yes please.
 
@mickmackusa That's fair. But for resource requests for official docs, it seems that link-only answers are inevitable. If you don't like it, then you should raise it on Meta. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding this, and requests for official docs are not in fact, on-topic. Or that requests for official docs can be answered without links.
 
7:52 AM
@Nick we've got the best keywords for keto articles.
 
@RyanM you should have posted that as an answer! :)
 
@Nick do we undelete now? /s
 
@VLAZ I think it's probably still off-topic... :)
 
8:49 AM
@CodyGray I've posted on Cross Validated Meta, let's see what they say
 
@AdrianMole I agree that youtube links might not be worth as a reference. Especially because half the links stop working after some time. They are worthy as a comment. However, I did come across some useful youtube links here, and are linked to the correct time of interest (cfr this answers penultimate link]. Dismissing them all might be overkill.
 
@DanielF "There has recently been a trend..."?? Really?
Some of the posts you link to were closed years ago
 
One was
most in the last year or so, some not even by your efforts
I'm still not attacking you as much as you seem to think I am
 
9:06 AM
thanks for letting me know!!!
there is not the slightest need to refer to any recency here, but... it sounds better, right? Otherwise, why now ("because we have to preserve and protect such questions from some maniacs")?
 
That's almost my exact thought process, although I didn't have any specific person in mind as the "maniac." Nothing ever gets done without a little urgency.
Certainly the most pointed threat ("they could be deleted!") has nothing to do with you. But there certainly are delete votes on some of those questions.
 
as are undelete ones
not a single one of the questions you have posted could be benefited from new answers; are all questions about textbook topic or a definition, where the theory is stable & clear for some decades now
and no one is out there to destroy existing value
 
@desertnaut I think you can have the same content but using different presentation. A new answer can present ideas in a different way that is more approachable to some.
 
9:22 AM
@VLAZ in off-topic questions with already 7-25 existing answers? And why this is an issue here?
 
Sorry, I've not followed the discussion. I was just commenting on the single statement about the theory being stable and thus not worth any new answers. If a topic is off-topic, then of course there is no new answers needed. That's we close such questions. However, forbidding answers on the basis that there is no new information to be given is not correct in my opinion.
 
@VLAZ nope, there is a context, and a very specific one; there has been already noticed in previous discussions on the subject that simply having such questions closed actually resolves any issue. But somehow even this has not been deemed as satisfactory by @DanielF on the basis of "new updates on the subject".
 
All those question seem to have or had great value for people on internet, the quest that Daniel have to save them seems noble. Personally I would even vote to keep them open on SO if they are maintained, just protected them from NAA answers, but yeah if migration to other site that seems also like a good solution
 
@PetterFriberg Why they need saving? Are they in danger?Ffrom whom? and why we cannot do it here by simply locking them?
 
I don't really see the need to lock them, what is the real problem of having them open?
 
9:35 AM
NATOs
 
Just protect, that way 90% of NATO is gone
 
and bad example for new questions pointing to them as justification
 
lol, that's an old argument, with all the crap on SO there will always be bad examples...
Anyway my point is only that it seems to be useful content for people.. so therefore any effort to maintain this content should be in our interest
 
nobody argues otherwise
OK, I will just sit back and relax, very curious to see if SO moderators will find insulting such a request toward a third party, "hey guys, could you please take over these valuable stuff from us, because, as a community (including us, mods), we are such useless idiots that we cannot preserve them, and we may even delete them and destroy existing value; please, guys?"
 
9:53 AM
Why would they? Discussing solutions to maintain value in best possibile way seems reasonable. Anyway I will also just sit back and relax :)
 
@PetterFriberg em... because it implies that we (including them) are such useless idiots, maybe?
 
baah if we think they need to be closed and locked on SO since we are afraid of new answers and setting bad example...
 
Should that be closed as a typo? stackoverflow.com/questions/65916053/…
 
Should this be closed as too broad?
 
9:58 AM
 
@Letsintegreat yeah
 
@Letsintegreat or "Needs details or clarity"
 
needs more focus is ok also
 
10:18 AM
should we roll back unauthorized translations of non-English questions?
 
@tripleee If I can't judge if translation is correct or not I would not touch it.
 
the translation is unremarkable but what hope do we have that the OP can understand an answer in English?
@starturtle: Please do not translate questions from other languages. We have no idea whether the OP can actually understand answers in English. — tripleee 47 secs ago
 
@tripleee Who cares?... if the question is good
 
not particularly no
 
I know that meta FAQ says to not translate (but it has been edit overtime by different mods), personally I tend to not agree, if question is good why not translate and post a good answer... baah :)
 
10:27 AM
no reopen votes so far; let's just hope it stays that way
 
as long as it is in non-english however it should be closed as unclear
 
@tripleee yeah it will probably roomba.. even more reason to not rollback.. (just busy work and upsetting editor)
 
Needs more focus? How will somebody look at their whole code and understand every bit of it, then answer?
 
or community reason > debugging details which includes the MRE requirement
 
10:38 AM
link broken?
 
yeah, irks me that /help/mre isn't a symlink to mcve
 
Yes, this reason makes more sense!
 
@tripleee we need to be glad the search will return a hit for MCVE: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/313675/… ...
 
11:01 AM
Is this poor spam, or a poor attempt at code formatting?
 
@AdrianMole smells like spam to me
 
@AdrianMole ^
 
Should this NATO be closed as No Repro? Note that last edit of the question edits the code. Refer the comment and accepted answer.
 
@tripleee I thought so, but wasn't sure if it was maybe relevant to the question (of which I know nothing).
 
@AmitJoshi it's reproducible. There should be a dupe for it, in fact (with many things linked against it...)
 
11:14 AM
Looking at the description of , it seems this tag is only related to PHP, should questions based on python tagged as fpdf be edited to remove the tag?
 
@AmitJoshi I've linked the duplicate. Also rounded up few more instances for it. There are currently just over 780 questions linked to/from that dupe. It's a VERY common problem - it's better to have more visibility to the solution than close instances of it as "you did something wrong".
@Letsintegreat Most likely. Users sometimes just add any tag that seems relevant. + is common regardless of which one the users actually use. Or on questions that aren't using Apple environments.
 
True.
 
@Letsintegreat Interesting puzzle -:)
 
That for sure xD
 
11:30 AM
 
11:52 AM
Does this belongs to Code Review?
 
@Letsintegreat Does it not belong here?
 
It's PHP - move it to Jokes.SE.
 
@Letsintegreat I don't think it makes sense to propose a migration in any event; it would need to be a lost more specific to be suitable there, either
 
I see.
 
11:55 AM
perhaps at this point the most constructive (or least inconstructive, more like) would be to nominate it as a duplicate of some suitable "how to do SQL from PHP properly" canonical
(or is that deconstructive?)
 
@tripleee I doubt that such question exist
 
quick duck duck going gets me stackoverflow.com/questions/3364969/… which is admittedly less than stellar, but literally my #1 search hit
 
12:39 PM
@Letsintegreat Definitely not. It would get closed there. It should be closed here as well
 
^^ Somewhat astonished this got an upvote!
 
That actually looks like a troll post.
 
1:00 PM
Morning
 
Am I allowed to post another cv-pls for a question that is, essentially, just a revamp of one already closed, following my earlier cv-pls? If that was agin teh roolz then I'm sorry.
 
You want to post another cv-pls for the same question? Did the reason change?
 
Its the 'same' question but reposted - earlier one deleted by OP.
Gone now, anyway.
 
Oh yeah, that's definitely fine.
If the post IDs are different, then they are different questions basically :)
 
I suppose if it happens a third time, then I should avoid raising it here - that could be construed as user-targeting.
 
1:11 PM
@AdrianMole Only if you found it by going through the user's profile. If you saw the question because they posted it with the same tags, and you're watching that tag, then making requests for that is acceptable.
 
@cigien Hmmm. Even so (I found both earlier Qs organically) I would then more likely raise a mod flag rather than raise it in here.
 
That's true, a mod flag might be more appropriate. But as far as I'm aware, there wouldn't be even the appearance of user targeting if the questions have the same tags, and are posted within a relatively short time span. But if there's even the possibility of appearing to target users, then I agree, it's better to be safe, and not bring it up in here.
 
@cigien That's the typical dupe target for such questions (eg. just yesterday) and the answers explain how audits are chosen and what can be done in such cases (like going to the actual post and take the appropriate action).
 
@JeanneDark Oh, interesting. I could swear I've seen questions asking about failing audits be left open, and positively received. What's different about those cases?
 
I'm not sure. Maybe I didn't flag them? ;)
 
1:27 PM
Are you a phlegmatic meta-flagger?
 
@JeanneDark Sorry, a bit early in the morning for me :p I don't get the joke. Also, the question you just linked seems to be the same case. Why is that a dupe either?
 
Because the answers explain what happened and what can be done afterwards. A bad question received upvotes and was chosen as an audit, the reviewers failed it. What more there is to say?
 
Oh. That assumes that it was a bad audit, right? What if the reviewer got it wrong, and the audit was actually good? The suggested target doesn't appear to cover that.
 
In this case you might consider writing an answer explaining why the audit was well chosen.
 
1:43 PM
Yes, exactly. Which would make closing it as a duplicate incorrect, right (unless you're sure the audit is bad)? Or do you mean, write an answer on the target to cover that case?
 
I mean to the current, open question. It would be tailored towards the actual audit.
 
Ok. Then my question stands. Why is that dupe suggestion correct? This is a sincere question; on Main that would be a completely wrong duplicate closure, but several things work differently on Meta, so I'm wondering what I'm missing here.
 
I'm sometimes a bit concerned about the hasty closures of "audit failure" Meta questions as duplicates. Quite often, the answers need to be specific to the audit.
 
A blurry flower was faster ;)
 
I ... didn't notice you were discussing it here
 
1:50 PM
@cigien It's just my suggestion and so far one voter agrees, but there are 4 more votes necessary.
 
@rene Sorry, I didn't mean to discuss it in here. I've tried to keep it to the general case of closing Meta questions about failed audits as duplicates. But if this discussion has crossed the line about discussing active Meta questions, I'll not continue.
@JeanneDark Of course. I don't see how that's relevant though. As always, I'm only asking your reasons for the suggested closure.
 
@leonheess You can mod flag, but it's 3 days in. Our only option is to refund the bounty, which gives them 3 days of free bounty time. We typically let them run to conclusion at this point
 
@cigien If someone believes they have chosen the correct option and still failed an audit, I believe that the answers to the dupe target answer their question.
 
2:07 PM
@JeanneDark Ok, fair enough. Thanks for the clarification.
 
2:33 PM
Did the chat server(s) just fail for a while, or was it a local thing at my end? Main site kept going but no chat for a few minutes.
... still having grief trying to get to SOBotics, though.
 
Hmm, I had the opposite experience. Chat was fine, but Main was down momentarily :p
 
Gremlins, then.
... now I'm getting the main site grief.
 
@TomerShetah No.It's an answer.
 
@TomerShetah It is an answer. Whether or not it is a good one is another matter, but that's handled with down votes and delete votes
 
Thanks :)
 
3:19 PM
Is my last request not acceptable? Any reason for not closing it? Or did it just go unnoticed?
 
@MrUpsidown Remember that this is more like "hey guys, can you see this", rather than "hey guys, vote this way"
 
@MrUpsidown Rule #13
 
Did I mention I wanted to stab anyone?
 
Not yet! ;-)
 
I am just asking whether my request was off-topic for any reason or if it just went unnoticed
 
no issue if it's the second option
 
Probably just fell out of the immediate viewing. Yours isn't the oldest CV hanging out there either
 
ok no prob - it's just that usually it gets closed faster than that one ;)
 
@MrUpsidown As long as it is not moved it does show up in the search, any user that uses the userscript will get it presented in their view. If they don't yell at you then at least there are no issues with it. Whether it get enough votes here is another matter and not something we can control.
 
sure - all clear
 
3:51 PM
 
4:19 PM
@AdrianMole Has it sorted itself out? SOBotics, as well as Main seem fine currently.
 
Everything is working.
 
Ah, good. Pesky gremlins, always messing things up.
 
4:39 PM
@DanielF Perhaps that needs to be edited to a more neutral tone. I can't submit edits there, or I would take a stab at it myself. Something like: "Over time, a large number of machine learning questions have been asked and answered on Stack Overflow, amassing a significant amount of useful information. However, these questions are unfortunately off-topic for Stack Overflow, and as they come to members' attention, they are being closed..."
@Letsintegreat Absolutely not. Code Review has very strict requirements, including that the code must work correctly. That obviously doesn't. Furthermore, as others have said, we do not migrate questions to other sites unless they are off-topic where they were originally asked. That does not appear to be off-topic for Stack Overflow, so it shouldn't be migrated.
@leonheess In cases like that, you must flag the question for moderator attention, explaining that the question is protected by a bounty, but desperately in need of closure. It's best if you can also say that it's attracting harmful/inappropriate answers (that would provide further justification for a mod to step in and cancel the bounty and close). I've already handled this one; just letting you know for the future.
Related Meta discussion: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/252192
@AdrianMole That's a case for a mod flag: user deleting previously closed question and re-asking the same thing.
 
4:54 PM
@CodyGray OK - noted. I was playing "three strikes and you're out" but I'll use "two strikes..." in the future.
 
@AdrianMole Yes, please. No need to wait to be hit a third time.
 
Oh, I didn't know that. I've never raised a mod flag in those cases, and they happen fairly regularly. Thanks for the info.
 
I was watching the ball as it flew through the sky, wondering why it kept getting bigger. Then it hit me!
 
@AdrianMole Oh, you too? I thought I was the only one...
To be fair, they should be closed when the audit is just blatantly wrong/invalid. There, there's little more that can be done other than a mod ensuring no one else can hit that audit again in the future, which we can do with the question being closed.
@cigien Yeah, they do, unfortunately, because the system is now telling people when their question gets closed to ask a new question. We all have wanted that to be fixed for a long time, but... it hasn't.
In the meantime, it is my understanding that mods still want to clean this up and let users know not to duplicate questions.
Sometimes, I learn later that other mods disagree with me, but I have no reason to believe that this is controversial.
 
I see. I'll make sure to flag those then.
@CodyGray Innocent until proven guilty? Or ignorance is bliss?
 
5:08 PM
@cigien "I do what I want", maybe?
 
Why the "maybe"? That much is true at least ;)
 
I don't know. You were listing aphorisms. I'm not a fan of them in general.
 
To be safe, do what Cody wants ;)
 
Agreed. So no more aphorisms then. Noted :D
 
@cigien Hey!
I like aphorisms
 
5:16 PM
I am not a threat.
 
That's true
 
Just a treat!
 
I agree
 
th?reat
 
@CodyGray Edited Not sure how to attribute it to you. I just put it in the edit reasons, unless you object.
 
5:27 PM
No attribution necessary. I was envisioning that you'd put it in your own words, but I don't mind you stealing mine.
At least now, you're blaming mods ("...likely to be on the chopping block as mods get to them"). We should be able to take it. :-)
 
My own words always seem to end up more biting than I intend them
 
@DanielF The edit reason looks like the perfect place to add attribution actually.
 
@DanielF You look quite black today yourself, pot!
@DanielF If you ever figure out how to resolve that problem, do let me know ASAP. :-)
 
I always just assumed it was a product of spending my formative years around military folks.
 
The mods on the smaller sites probably relish the chance to have a stab at those from SO.
 
5:32 PM
That can't be it; I've never been around military folks.
@AdrianMole Ahem, we have private rooms for that.
 
Spoils the fun.
 
Anyway, it's got two mods and a former mod on board so I'll let it stew for a day or so and then see if I can get a push for those 6 questions through se.meta to migrate as a test case
And then if that works start closing the rest for a second wave
 
Add a couple of possible questions, then there'll be 6 - 8.
 
If you've got the mods on that site on-board, they can just ask one of the CMs to do the migration.
 
6:04 PM
@CodyGray Would you object to being a mod Point of Contact for the migration on SO's side?
 
@CodyGray but why? what was wrong with the previous version?
 
@PaulRoub I think you might have forgotten to cast a CV here.
 
@cigien Maybe. Who can say? :-) Fighting cv-pls userscript misbehavior and missed a crucial step. Thanks!
 
:) Thanks for fixing it. Yeah, userscripts can be funky sometimes.
 
Sorry, but the tampermonkey script isn't working
 
6:17 PM
@PaulRoub Wait, is it general UI trouble, or something specific? Nothing I can do about it :p but there are members here who can help.
 
@cigien I actually think the root cause is Tampermonkey misbehaving WRT cookies and AJAX requests under Safari 14. If it was the script itself, I'd probably have a Pull Request going already. :-)
 
Oh I see. Looks like mega6382 is having similar issues.
 
6:45 PM
@CodyGray please notice that the idea, at least as currently suggested, is for the whole process to go through our Meta first, not for a back-door procedure between CV mods and CMs
 
 
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9:17 PM
Is this question on-topic? (got a NATO today) stackoverflow.com/questions/58711205/…
 
@janw I think it is. I doubt if it would fly on SU or SF. It has too much of a programming tool smell.
 
Not sure about on-topic, but it seems like it's lacking info for me
 
I must admit I have never heard of that tool
Seems to be some data analysis software?
 
@janw yeah, data warehouse next gen
 
I honestly wouldn't argue if someone were to say it should be asked on Server Fault; it's an enterprise-grade cloud hosting data analytics service that runs exclusively on servers.
after a few minutes of googling
 
9:27 PM
I only Googled 15 seconds
 
Did it tell you that it is a quarter minute?
 
Yes. I voted that up
 
At least there is a tag
But since I have absolutely no clue how that software works, I won't touch that question
 
I have a 5 foot pole for you?
 
:D
I fear that's not long enough...better 6-8
But reviewing on SO is actually great. You learn a lot of stuff about tech you would have never heard of otherwise
 
9:44 PM
I just stumbled upon this ... is that actually an answer? It's accepted, but ... telling people to download an SDK of their own product's website in the comments, "responding" via email?
 
@tink Yeah, I would say not an answer. It is not even link-only, because there is no link..."e-mail only"?
 
Would the link to their own SDK in comments actually make it spam? They do mention their company name in the "answer", which kind of shows the affiliation, but still
 
@tink Possibly if the code from the links in the comment was edited in to the answer, it would be one...
 
Yeah, probably the author could salvage it
 
9:48 PM
@Nick - so the plan of attack would be to ask the author in the comments to edit the answer with the code and a reference to their own SDK?
 
@tink that's probably the best solution although I note someone has already asked for it in the comments with no luck.
 
@tink This would be a possible solution, if that were a recent answer with an active author
I definitely wouldn't flag as spam, but it is NAA. The links in the comments seem to break from time to time
 
pings D:
 
a NAA flag then
 
Yes
 
9:52 PM
done
 
I've also flagged - if it gets declined, I will ask on meta ;)
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@mega6382 We're happy to look at whatever the problem is, but just "isn't working" doesn't provide enough information for us to begin addressing the issue. What OS/browser/userscript manager/userscript version are you using? What exactly happened that you weren't expecting, or didn't happen that you were expecting to happen?
 
10:07 PM
Seems like the JS renderer gives more leeway than the server-side one.
 
10:22 PM
@janw Yep. Looks like you should make an MSE post about it, unless there already is one. :;
 

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