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12:11 AM
@Makyen is any of the above discussion archived somewhere? It seems like it would be really useful to have a permanent record to refer people to.
 
@Nick I know it's not what you meant, but the chat transcript is a fairly permanent record. It's not perfect, but ...
I'm open to suggestions. It would probably be reasonable to have that as a Charcoal Team Q&A, but then that would require people to join the Charcoal Team, which they may, or may not, want to do.
 
@Makyen I just find it hard to search the chat transcript. Also you have to know it's there... I don't think it's unreasonable to have it in the Charcoal Team Q&A, probably most people who are that serious about curation have joined/should join anyway (yes, I know... :)
 
 
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4:43 AM
@rene please trash this ^^
(my cv-pls not the sd report)
 
4:56 AM
How hard would it be (and how useful?) to have an @RO command that pings the most recently active Room Owner? Anyone here any good at scripts? xD
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I should reject an edit on a closed question if I feel like the edit doesn't make the question openable right?
 
5:38 AM
@Nick The userscripts are described in a section of the Charcoal homepage. The logic of keeping profanities out of the chat transcript is too common-sense to document.
 
6:02 AM
@Yatin That's up for debate. Many people say that you should, yes. Others say that any edit that significantly improves the question is a good edit, and you shouldn't reject edits based on a quirk/bug of the system.
 
Understood. Thanks :)
 
Also, even if you've decided to reject based on a quirk of the system regarding the reopen queue, if it's not the first edit to the question since closure, then you shouldn't reject on that basis, since the quirk no longer applies.
 
Talking about edit reviews... I had one yesterday that was on a question already deleted. Can't remember that happening before. Is that supposed to be? I actually remembered the question from an organic encounter - OP deletedit.
 
@AdrianMole How difficult it is depends on what, exactly, you're wanting it to do and where you expect the userscript to be running. :;
 
What is the most appropriate (and most helpful to the OP) way to close this page where the OP is trying to parse invalid json? stackoverflow.com/q/65757654/2943403 I can see myself close it a few ways, but what is best?
 
6:08 AM
@Makyen Something along the lines of what the Smokey !!\blame command does ... but not a random recent user (obviously), just a recent RO. Would that be possible?
 
@mickmackusa If a duplicate can be found that would be helpful, then I generally prefer this route. That duplicate might be a literal duplicate ("this is invalid JSON"), it might be suggesting a better way than parsing JSON, or whatever else. If a duplicate target cannot be found, then I'd leave a comment and close as no-repro/unlikely to help others in the future.
@AdrianMole So, a bot running in the room that would detect @RO and then reply to it by pinging the most recently active room owner?
 
Okay, I'll hunt for a dupe.
 
@AdrianMole If you're wanting anyone to be able to do that, then it would need to be running as a bot on a machine somewhere, which requires all the normal code for a chat bot. If you're wanting anyone who is running the userscript to be able to do that and have "@RO" changed to the most recently active RO between the time the user clicks "send" and when the message is sent by the browser for posting to chat, then that could be a userscript the user runs.
If you're wanting to have "@RO" in the actual messages that is posted and have all the ROs notified, or even the most recently active, that could be done via a userscript running on the ROs browser, but each RO would have to choose to run it.
 
@mickmackusa That's just my opinion, because I think that pointing to a Q&A containing relevant information is not only more useful to the asker, but also to future viewers. Plus, closing as a duplicate can be done more expeditiously than any other type of closure.
 
I don't disagree with that.
 
6:14 AM
@Makyen Bot or script, not really my call or preference. I just think some sort of function along those lines would be helpful - as much to the ROs as to other users.
... I suppose a Feature Request for a built-in system would fall on deaf ears.
 
Yea
 
Especially because this is the only room that would really benefit. The utility is minimal. I wouldn't support time/effort being put towards a system-wide feature request like that over other, more important things.
Not to mention chat isn't undergoing development anyway.
A bot is probably the best-case scenario. No real advantage in having that run on SE's side, versus running it elsewhere.
 
So, I'll just keep pinging rene at the most unsociable hours I can think of, until we get something done. ;-P
 
At which hours is rene sociable?
 
TBD
 
6:30 AM
@CodyGray thanks for that link. I was referring more to the sort of information linked to in this message, not the retention of profanities.
 
6:58 AM
@Yatin someone ate it already ...
@CodyGray shakes petals furiously
 
7:11 AM
@SmokeDetector will you please flag spam correctly? You'll get your self flag banned ...
 
7:35 AM
@rene More likely to get its "flag proxy volunteers" banned.
 
True, Smokey is the prime example of how a sock-puppet master would operate.
 
hehe
By the way, any @RO bot/script would need to do something about all the Rob, Robert, Robby and any rococo users.
 
Yeah, just vote for me as Mod and I'll reset all those names to default ....
 
Then there's the coco ROs.
 
IIRC, it requires at least 3 letters to trigger the actual chat ping @ad
 
7:45 AM
Case proven!
So, who wants to make a RO-bot?
 
backs away slowly
 
8:37 AM
@rene waves back
@AdrianMole How can you be so sure there isn't one already?
 
static_assert(rene!=RObot);
^QED
 
Compiler error 4706: Object of type Flower cannot be converted to type Bot
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9:53 AM
@CodyGray impl From<Flower> for Bot {}
 
jps
10:08 AM
@CodyGray re: thanks, should have looked into the timeline ;)
 
@jps Always good to look at the timeline of fun.
 
Thankfully, Cody is here to delete all ;)
 
The paradox is that deleting is fun.
 
jps
should we retag all question which can't be serious with the tag?
I mean, I see dozens every day and think "you can't be serious"
 
Noooo
There's nothing fun about low-quality questions
(Scary thought: most of those people are serious.)
 
jps
10:13 AM
I'm afraid they are
 
Can moderators remove a question ban?
 
@cigien No. It says that in the Help Center.
 
@CodyGray Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks.
 
Not even CMs can lift them.
"Stack Exchange cannot lift question bans by request."
 
10:18 AM
Ok, found the text. I didn't know that; haven't had much cause to read that page.
 
I link to it so much, I have the URL memorized.
My iPhone's predictive text will predict it.
 
Wait, you actually do this stuff from your phone? I thought you were joking about that.
 
No. That's definitely not a joke.
I do a lot less from my phone now, thanks to COVID, than I used to.
I used to do most of my daily moderating from my iPhone. Much less so now.
But still some.
(My jokes are usually funnier than that?)
 
You kept on bumping into other people?
 
@JeanneDark It was mostly while siting.
 
10:22 AM
Interesting. Do you use the SE app, or just the site directly? I've found both to be painful to use. I'm very bad at typing on my phone, so that's part of it I'm sure.
 
The app? Heck no. You can't moderate from that anyway.
I'm also horrible at phone-typing. It's a constant source of frustration.
 
From the site, I'm not able to see everything I can from my computer. I haven't looked in a while, but simple things like seeing the up/down votes separately doesn't work IIRC.
 
The app isn't maintained anyway
 
Everything works.
It's exactly the same site.
Use the "responsive" view.
 
Oh, never heard of that. I'll check it out.
 
10:25 AM
For a while, dupe-closing was semi-broken on mobile because the dialog extended far outside of the viewport, with no scrolling possible. But I figured out workarounds...
They call it "full site" or something. Look in the footer.
 
Next to "Help" that also nobody ever finds? ;)
 
Will do, thanks. I'm only going to do it to see if it works. There's no way I'm actually going to interact with SE on my phone.
 
It's better than interacting with emails...
At least for me. My email client doesn't have a "destroy user" button.
 
There's a userscript for that ;)
 
Oh, please send teh codez!
 
10:28 AM
@CodyGray Definitely. I just assumed that I was missing something. I don't stress out about not getting jokes.
 
 
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12:12 PM
@cigien What is the point of this comment? OP may have mistagged the question, is that really a big deal?
 
@oguzismail Well, OP originally had 4 different language tags. My guess is the OP just misunderstood the tag system. The comment seems reasonable to me. though it's redundant now that both the points have been addressed.
 
12:32 PM
@ekad This is amazing. I voted for del-pls even before you posted it here :D
 
@Dharman :D
 
@TomerShetah I don't see any sign of an answer in that post, so yeah it is NAA
 
1:02 PM
Would you flag this as spam? stackoverflow.com/a/65760539/2359227
 
@TomerShetah Why?
 
@TomerShetah I don't see how those scripts are relevant to the question.
 
@TomerShetah seems like NAA at least
 
Maybe custom flag to provide context. If it's their first post (I see no other in their profile), the spam penalty might be considered a bit harsh by some mods.
 
Just flag as NAA should be sufficient - doesn't look like spam
 
1:07 PM
Rather a new question
 
yes
 
@TomerShetah Yea not spam flag-able. They have mentioned affiliation. You can mod flag if you think they are promoting their stuff.
over-promoting
 
Lesson 1. in Marketing: there no over in promoting ....
 
1:39 PM
^ the last period is a link
 
1:53 PM
@desertnaut Why should we delete this? It looks quite useful, no?
 
@Dharman not sure it actually is
 
It has a lot of views and the answer has a lot of upvotes. I believe it helps people identify a problem that is not immediately obvious.
 
it was a typo; lots of views probably generated by search engines are not necessarily meaningful or a valid proxy for actual usefulness
 
General computing?
 
Yeah, but this is one of the typos that we actually want to keep. Does it cause any harm? Do you think it is misleading for people searching for that kind of error?
It looks to me like a lot of people are making similar typos and it helps them identify the problem
 
1:58 PM
buidscript instead of buildscript?
 
yeah
 
we will probably make the world a favor, permitting more relevant pages to come up in relevant searches
 
I'd keep that question around. It looks good to me.
 
it's a free world, after all :)
if I had that kind of error, I would be greatly disappointed if my search led me there
@Yatin looks like
 
@desertnaut Thank you :)
 
2:06 PM
 
@Yatin np, but pls keep in mind I am not the guru of GC :)
 
@Dharman the meta-commentary belongs in a comment and not in an answer
 
@Yatin I was starting to remove it but then I got confused as to where does the answer start
 
Lol
I am having the same issue
 
shouldn't be that difficult (the code is not identical with the question) - what about now?
 
2:10 PM
Yay roll back war
 
I donno. I flagged as NAA as I cant see any answer in there
 
Hm.. I wouldn't flag it as NAA. It is an attempt to answer to say the least
 
it is indeed - NAA is not appropriate here
 
2:32 PM
@desertnaut What do you make of the comment? I still have a hard time understanding what it is. Is it an answer or a comment?
 
@Dharman not an expert on the details, but I guess that with the meta-commentary removed, it qualifies as an answer (my guess is that your NAA flag will be declined).
and since I guess it was exactly the meta-commentary I have now removed that triggered your attention in the first place (and understandably so), maybe it's time to drop the issue
 
Yeah, I can't make heads or tails out of this. If the code works then why not close the question as not reproducible. If the formatting was the issue then why did they reformat the code in question?
 
 
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4:20 PM
 
@Spectric That's all that needs to be said ;)
 
 
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6:03 PM
Can we make a table in markdown?
Like does SO support that?
 
@Yatin Like this?
 
@JeanneDark Thanks :)
 
6:17 PM
Not 100% sure this is spam. But it should go! Can we close/delete by votes?
 
Yea it must go
After the edit I am also doubtful about spam
 
7:10 PM
Simple fix for cvr generator userscript: s/.post-menu/.js-post-menu/g and adjust case of text if desired.
 
@JimGarrison This has been fixed a couple of days ago
 
@Dharman Interesting, in Firefox requesting the script update claims there is no update. I'll delete my previous post.
 
Maybe you are using an old version. Try reinstalling from the link on the right side in the star board
Burn the which!
 
We're in Phase 2: does the tag weigh more than a duck?
 
7:21 PM
Witchforks?
 
@JimGarrison From this and your earlier comment, I get the impression you're using the release version of the Request Generator, rather than the alpha version. Are you doing so because you need Greasemonkey compatibility?
 
I would have sworn the above got asked, CVed and closed maybe 2 hours ago ...
 
@Makyen Yes, I am using GreaseMonkey. When I click the "install" link in the star board (which is starboard :-) sometimes it just loads the js in a new page and takes several attempts to get the install dialog. Is there a better alternative to GreaseMonkey?
 
TamperMonkey or ViolentMonkey
 
@JimGarrison Unfortunately, after the Mozilla-mandated move to Greasemonkey 4 (GM4) from Greasemonkey 3 (GM3, which was great), I generally recommend against using Greasemonkey 4. For a more long winded reason why, one of the times I've pontificated on the issue is here.
 
7:38 PM
Windows Action center: Hey User! Here is a notification for you! ... Okay, let's have it .... All is good! Nothing to report! ... They must have some really bored or really troll-ish developers over in Redmond ....
 
@Makyen Recent versions (4.x) of Tampermonkey appear to be closed-source. How can we trust in its benevolence? (Is this question appropriate here? If not, please redirect me to a more appropriate forum)
 
@JimGarrison Yes, Tampermonkey has been closed source for quite a while. The only thing you have access to is the minimized version which is available as an inherent part of it being a browser extension which doesn't have a separately installed executable (i.e. all browser extensions, by the way extensions work, have to provide JavaScript/CSS/HTML as text, but it can be minimized/obfuscated).
There is certainly a level of risk with using Tampermonkey, or any browser extension (there have definitely been some which are bad actors). If it concerns you, then I'd recommend Violentmonkey, which is open source.
 
@Makyen OK, thanks. I guess the TM author(s) have an incentive to make sure their code is clean, and any shenanigans would likely be discovered fairly quickly.
 
8:01 PM
@JimGarrison Yes, TM's author does have an incentive, and issues are likely to be found eventually. However, that doesn't mean that damage wouldn't have already been done. I was much more comfortable with it when Mozilla required a manual, human review of all new versions of browser extensions. Unfortunately, Mozilla dropped that requirement a couple/few years ago and only does manual spot-checks of some extensions, while relying on fully automated review for the vast majority.
 
8:12 PM
After mentioning that, I should probably say that Google also only does automated checks of Chrome browser extensions.
 
 
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10:06 PM
@bad_coder why? it was resolved in the comments as basically a typo/non-reproducible
 
10:25 PM
@Nick it's not a typo, and it certainly is reproducible. It's a bug (and from experience more folks will run into it). I don't know what your experience with this type of issue is but bug threads tend to prove useful. "Being resolved in the comments" is no reason to not convert a valid answer, into an answer.
 
@bad_coder I guess that's my misunderstanding, from reading the comments I thought they just left a line out of a config file, which seemed like a typo style error to me.
 
@Nick read the link to the github bug report (and please notice the poster is an undisputed SME - contrary to the close voters). You have to consider finding the bug on github 1º takes time, 2º takes expertise. If the thread isn't kept on the tag, a few weeks or months another thread just like it will show up. Better keep this one over doing the work 2X over.
 
@bad_coder maybe you should remove your last 2 comments in that thread, as they are no longer needed?
 
@desertnaut Done. Thank you for the warning, I hadn't checked back in the meanwhile.
 
@bad_coder anytime
 
10:35 PM
@bad_coder I'm just reading the question, which says "It was solved by adding language_data.js to be loaded in conf.py". The question would have remained on site and searchable even if still closed. Anyway, it's open now and someone has answered...
 
@Nick yes, which is a recent bug. The solution is intricate because it goes against the normal, expected, and established way of using Sphinx-themes. (If I ran into it I'd put R&D time between 1 and 2 hours to solve that step alone.)
 
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