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12:50 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Hey, [another one](Ajanthan) for you to review if you please.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis I think you missed adding the link to that message, unless you're referring to some post that Hover is already aware of.
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis: yes what @cigien said
 
1:39 AM
@Makyen - Linux (Ubuntu 18.04) and Chrome 87.0.4280.141
 
2:03 AM
Is AF supported on Safari?
 
2:47 AM
@SmokeDetector why
 
3:04 AM
I guess there's no real point migrating this to meta? :) stackoverflow.com/q/65729907/9473764
 
@Nick Hehe. Love the comment: Duplicate. There was a million of troll attempt. Make sure your trolling original when posting.
 
 
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4:28 AM
@AdrianMole yeah, I think that would have picked up a few stars in this room :)
 
5:42 AM
@tripleee You can't ask for downvotes in this room ;)
 
oops, thanks for noticing!
 
6:49 AM
 
7:48 AM
@SmokeDetector still not sure about this one, they posted a spammy-looking NAA twice on this question but it really looks like they are trying to ask how to apply the solution to their site
 
8:22 AM
@Makyen Why did SD get noisier in here? I see it's now reporting feedback and autoflag information in separate chat messages (now moved to Graveyard). Did some settings get lost in a reboot?
 
@CodyGray SD posts messages about FP feedback on autoflagged posts into the rooms the post would have been reported into. For most SO posts, that includes here. The intent is to actually get the message/ping to the users whose accounts were used, so they can take a look to see if they want to retract their atuo-flag.
I'm not sure why it was posted 3 times. The only thing I know of which would cause that is if someone changed their feedback more than once (e.g. did FP, then changed to TP, then another FP came in). Having it happen twice could be from someone giving NAA feedback and another person giving FP feedback on the autoflagged post. However, the post ended up with 3 TP and an NAA, so some feedback was changed.
 
I've never seen those messages before in here. Only in Charcoal HQ.
Is that simply because autoflagged posts are only rarely reported in here?
 
I can confirm that feedback was changed on that post multiple times. There was some debate as to what feedback was appropriate for that post, and so there was a NAA that was changed to TP and then I think back to NAA again. I don't know why it was reported here, if as you say, it's usually only reported in Charcoal HQ.
 
8:41 AM
In my opinion, spam overrules R/A. If it's spam, then it's spam. If it's not spam, then look to see if it's R/A. I'd say that was spam due to the spammy link.
 
Ok, thanks
 
Why did you remove your message?
 
In truth, it's not worth the seconds spent worrying about it. The system handles them nearly identically. Either flag will work.
@cigien To make me look clairvoyant.
@jps On second look, it seems like they might be trying to do this using the SDK? I don't know. It's still a very low quality question.
 
@CodyGray Hmm, it kind of makes it look like you're just voicing your opinion about stuff, more than appearing clairvoyant.
 
@cigien One of the disadvantages of being a genius is that you often appear crazy to others.
 
8:44 AM
The moment I saw the SD report disappear (and before Cody had posted their message), I figured my chat message no longer served any purpose.
 
@CodyGray True. And a genius is just a crazy person with an audience anyway.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, it's just quite rare, but those FP on autoflagged post messages have been in here, when it happens (rare), for a long time.
 
@JeanneDark Ah, I see. I thought you removed it after Cody's reply. Makes sense now.
 
jps
@CodyGray right, maybe, but still VLQ with almost zero own effort.
 
@jps inb4 @cigien could mumble something about "zero effort" not being a close reason.
@cigien Nah. I see a lot more people paying attention to crazy people than to geniuses.
 
8:48 AM
@CodyGray I'm been mumbling a bit much about that recently I feel, so I'm taking a breather on that for a short while.
 
@Makyen OK, I guess I have just missed any occurrences. Your explanation makes sense. I thought I was seeing the same kind of noisy feedback that always gets posted in CHQ, notifying when the first feedback is submitted for all posts.
@cigien Thanks for the notice; I'll try and pick up the slack, then.
@cigien No... I just see deleted messages, and I'd already started typing that response, so I went ahead and submitted it anyway.
 
@cigien In this case I wouldn't have deleted the message. I did so because with the post in question having been deleted (and therefore the SD report disappearing), my question about which flag to raise lacked context and I didn't want to waste someone's time answering it.
 
@CodyGray Thanks. When you get tired of it, I'll step back in. Maybe the problem will be sorted out by then :)
 
Oops, I'm tired of it. :-)
Other things I'm tired of: bad review audits.
 
Already? Come on, give it a few days at least.
@CodyGray Yeah, I felt bad for the OP on that meta. Sincere question, and never nice to have to respond with, "yeah, system is currently buggy, oops".
 
8:51 AM
@CodyGray Yeah, some people like those, others feel they are just noise. Given that they now are posted by a different user, metasmoke, you can just hide the posts from the user, or ignore the user everywhere. That user doesn't do anything other than post those feedback messages, so that's all you'll miss.
 
I wonder what happens if a bad reviewer faces a bad review audit.
 
@Makyen It posts other feedback messages, which I think are significantly more useful.
@JeanneDark They get it correct. Which means they get it wrong.
 
@JeanneDark Yeah, that's reasonable. I prefer messages not being removed, so as to keep track of stuff in the transcript, but in this case, as you point out, there was nothing to be lost by removing it. Of course, Cody had to come and answer it anyway, but so it goes ;)
 
;)
@cigien I only do so if it's short or was never meant to be posted and I believe no one saw it. It goes without saying that these messages receive the most attention. Mods know and see everything anyway.
 
@CodyGray It posts a message whenever a feedback type which wasn't previously on the report is added to the report. Thus, you might get one of those messages for each of TP, NAA, and FP on the same report.
 
8:54 AM
Like when you posted your bank account password. But everyone saw it anyway.
@Makyen It also posts, e.g., confirmation of watches.
 
@CodyGray Thanks for reminding me ;)
 
You changed that already, right? :-)
 
No, I trust the RO's and mods in here :)
 
Well, I'm neither of those, so I'm going to hack into your bank account now. Don't change the password yet.
 
You didn't see it ;)
 
@CodyGray No, those are posted by SmokeDetector. The only thing the metasmoke user posts are the feedback messages. If you go back a couple/few months, then everything is posted by SmokeDetector, but the metasmoke user is currently only posting the feedback messages.
 
Oh, I see. Well, looking at the actual transcript instead of relying on my own faulty memory, metasmoke does post other status announcements, like when a reboot is occurring. But, yes, it seems SD does post the confirmation about changes as well as reports that blacklists have been reloaded. I'm sure there's a pattern in there somewhere, but it isn't obvious to me.
 
@CodyGray Yes. It posts a message when it, itself, reboots (it's actually a separate instance of SD that doesn't do anything other than receive those messages from MS and post them), but if you're ignoring the feedback, then those reboot messages don't really matter. When someone gets the time to integrate using more than one chat user into SD, then it won't even post reboot messages, because it will be in the same instance/code as the active SD instance.
 
Quick answer and upvotes
 
9:17 AM
@CodyGray Was this a race-condition? stackoverflow.com/posts/65733288/revisions Why did my edit get registered if I didn't change anything?
 
Since it was the exact same edit, but by two different people, an empty diff is produced and counts as a revision.
Maybe the team is still looking into it. ;-)
 
Huh, very interesting, I hadn't seen that before. Yeah, our edits were identical, so an empty diff kind of makes sense. I guess.
 
It's not even been 8 years. These things take time to fix ;)
 
@cigien Didn't find the pending feature request for a pop-up that says, "Ninja'd"
 
9:22 AM
That would be fun. Then there'd be a bug when 2 users ninja a 3rd at the same time, and so on ...
 
Why would that be a bug? Everyone just gets pop-ups.
 
Hmm, true, not a bug then.
 
9:38 AM
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Q: Burninate implicit-cast and re-tag to implicit-conversion

LundinThe tag implicit-cast doesn't make sense in most programming languages - the tag name itself is a misconception. As correctly stated in the tag wiki: In C and C++, there is no such thing as an implicit cast. There are implicit and explicit conversions; a cast is explicit by definition. Consider ...

 
@desertnaut delvotes on answers are always 20k+.
 
@E_net4theflagger thanks (I always wonder) - corrected
 
And FWIW, one might rather go through the usual flagging and waiting. There's usually no need for hurry unless there are other problems.
 
"the usual flagging and waiting" :-\
But yeah, agreed. That definitely counts as NAA in my assessment.
 
@CodyGray :|
 
10:39 AM
copy that
 
11:04 AM
Is this answer accepted? stackoverflow.com/a/65616078/1839439
 
@Dharman Well yes. Is there a glitch in the platform?
 
Yes, but Cody said it was fixed some time ago
and I just found a fresh one, so it looks like the bug is still not fixed
 
@E_net4theflagger What glitch are you referring to?
 
@Yatin I don't know, hence my question.
 
No... but why are you calling it a glitch?
What are you referring to here?
 
11:23 AM
@Yatin The green tick is still there, despite the answer is not accepted
 
If it is an unneeded dupe then we can nuke the entire Q/A
 
where did you get that image?
 
By hovering on the check mark
 
Interesting
 
I didn't even know that this is an option!
 
11:41 AM
 
I wonder what I should do now. If it is not a bug then why did the system keep the answer accepted after the sock-puppet was removed?
 
12:23 PM
@Dharman I doubt it's a sock, since those are dealt with account merge
 
@Braiam It was an obvious sock. Sock accounts are almost always deleted, never merged.
 
@Dharman That would be a problem, since then how the system reverts back self voting if it doesn't know that they are the same account.
 
When you delete an account all votes and activity is deleted with it.
 
Observations don't match that assertion :)
 
Sometimes mods miss some questions like this one, and it is never deleted. I always assumed that the accept vote is removed as well, not reassigned to the community user.
I'm not sure how that happened. It looks like a bug, but I am not sure.
 
12:38 PM
According to the moderator cheat sheet, it's staff that invalidates votes @Dharman, so they made a mistake or they made a mistake or the moderator made a mistake or it isn't sock puppetry.
 
12:50 PM
@desertnaut the question is tagged not sure that really classes as general computing.
 
@user692942 tags by themselves dont say much; is anything c#-retaled in the question itself (or, for that matter, in the answers)?
 
@desertnaut "For example I can do this all easily using MIcrosofts Remote Desktop Connection manually, but is there a library that I could call?"
 
@user692942 ooops!! so, you can now VTC as a recommendation request! :)
 
@desertnaut "I could write a client/server service application that could handle the automatic connection, negotiation and playback, but I was wondering whether there are any options that are supported by each OS that I could trigger remotely."
@desertnaut Admittedly, it's a bad question I'm not debating that, just think the close reason isn't right.
 
@user692942 it's is admittedly not always easy to find an exactly accurate close reason for some Qs (this being probably such a case)
@user692942 we usually do not open a 2nd request in such cases
 
12:58 PM
Morning
 
@desertnaut doh, I didn't mean to (force of habit)
 
@user692942 np
 
@Braiam " You can also just delete users that were clearly created only to upvote another user, instead of contacting the community team. Make sure to use the sockpuppet deletion reason." When it is an obvious sock-puppetry like the one I mentioned mods can delete accounts themselves. Usually, there is no approval needed from employees. I doubt that this case was escalated to employees, all votes were undone when the account was deleted with the exception of that one acceptance vote.
 
A mod handling this might have missed the question and didn't delete it, but the answer should have been unaccepted. I do not understand how it could happen that the vote was transferred to Community user
Never mind, I found the answer meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/385888/…
In that case...
 
@Dharman That is in plural ;) It should be "all users involved", not just one.
 
What do you think about this answer: stackoverflow.com/a/65721531/11573842?
 
2:15 PM
@Yatin looks like a link-only NAA
 
Ok thank you :)
 
"So please don't vote to close, if the site you recommend doesn't fit."
 
2:31 PM
@JeanneDark I got some nice downvotes from it though.
 
wow
 
Whelp, I did goof did I
 
those will get reversed.
 
I'll let you know if I get hit.
 
@Dharman If they wanted to really hurt you, they'd have serially upvoted you ;)
 
2:34 PM
Ugh, blood upvotes.
 
2:52 PM
@Braiam If we delete an account as a sockpuppet it will invalidate any votes made by that account. If we don't think it's a sockpuppet, but another user entirely, we have to escalate to CMs who have a tool to invalidate votes. So sockpuppets are the only exception we have
 
@Machavity Well, you may need another need another explanation, because observations don't match that assertion ;)
 
@Braiam How so? Don't have time to scroll that far back right now
 
The conversation was about acceptance votes. They are moved to community user when a sock-puppet is removed
 
Ah, yes that is true. But that happens if the account is deleted for any reason.
 
3:03 PM
Exactly, that message is generic to any account deletion.
 
Is "I’m voting to close this question because it was answered in the comments." a valid close reason?
 
Hardly
 
Oki Doki. One mod flag coming right up!
 
@Yatin Unless it has to be closed, no.
You can simply flag as no longer needed and use instead a valid reason.
 
It is causing confusion and their further comments are not constructive. Mod flag it is.
 
3:23 PM
@Yatin Generally I convert answers to real answers with community wiki and raise the something else comment flag.
 
@Shree Ah yes nice idea I should probably make a community wiki out of the useful comment.
 
Room owner please remove my most recent cvpls request. I need to answer it.
 
@Machavity ^
 
@Yatin Don't think this is really spam, as the author provides clear disclosure. Rather NAA
 
3:35 PM
And the question looks quite broad to me
 
@mickmackusa nulled
 
@janw I remember seeing similar ones before... Will have to check MS
 
@Yatin This is the same post.
@Yatin I guess that one can be binned, as OP translated their question?
 
@janw Hm.. yea you are right... smokey reported it twice
Thanks @rene :)
 
3:49 PM
@Yatin Indeed a bit weird. Also, it seems that this was triggered by a new answer posted to that thread, which has a very similar format as the now deleted one. I wonder whether Smokey somehow picked up the wrong answer, and why the reported one hasn't been deleted a year ago.
 
4:30 PM
I keep getting "A new version of ALPHA VERSION of The Close Vote Request Generator is available, would you like to install it now?" popup even after updating the script.
 
 
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5:33 PM
@SurajRao See if uninstalling it completely then reinstalling it resolves that
might stop the prompt if there's some remnant of the old one somewhere
 
@TylerH A.k.a. "Did you turn it off and on again?"
 
@AdrianMole as always... :-)
 
6:20 PM
Heh - Nearly all the Edit Review audits I've had today have been allegedly suggested by a user called Popcorn. xD
 
@AdrianMole salted?
 
Sweet.
Not sure how the audit machine selects the username, but it seems to have spells of using a particular user. I think they're always real users, though.
 
It's a bot
 
What? The audit machine or Popcorn? (There are lots of Popcorns.)
 
Popcorn
 
6:33 PM
Hmm. When I go back to review my audits, the username is given as Community♦ - but not at the actual time of audit.
 
@AdrianMole Depends on the type. Suggested Edits are generated. Other audits use real posts
 
Yeah. So that's another 'special skill' that Community♦ has - impersonation. Should be added to that Meta post.
... in other news, I notice that Sam has frozen his "Bad Reviews" room. Would raising especially bad reviews be out-of-order for this room?
... or just revert to the old system of a custom mod flag?
 
Custom mod flag
 
Yeah, I tend to agree. Raising such issues here would be perilously close to user-targeting.
 
We mortals can't do much :)
 
6:40 PM
hehe - We feed the mods.
 
6:58 PM
@AdrianMole Don't feed the mods, and if you do: check if you still have all your fingers afterwards.
 
Always. It's like shaking hands with a politician.
 
7:36 PM
Am I just missing the question in this post?
 
@Dharman Looks familiar.
 
@Machavity I saw latex in tags and then python in the title... that usually doesn't bode well
 
First paragraph doesn't bode well, either.
 
7:40 PM
45 views, 43 from this chatroom
I thought about editing it the last time it was brought up, but I decided it was most likely going to get closed and deleted, so I didn't bother. Shows how much I know.
 
@Machavity I removed the parts that I know that are superfluous, but the math jargon about multibrot flies over my building.
 
7:58 PM
 
8:11 PM
@Dharman I thought it looked familiar but wasn't sure why
 
8:44 PM
@eyllanesc programming microcontrollers is still programming
 
@RyanM Of course it does, but the question does not go in that direction but rather to ask about the characteristics of the HW (for example, flash memory, type of packaging, pin configuration, etc.)
 
It's trying to solve the problem "When I program the 32 TQFP device on a PCB however, the device gets flashed but my program does not run."
If someone said "I'm trying to run my program on [Intel CPU 1] and [Intel CPU 2]" and asked about the characteristics of that, it would be clearly programming
I don't see anything asking about flash memory characteristics
 
It is that precisely that problem depends on the HW, so I think that the most appropriate place for that question is: electronics.stackexchange.com
@RyanM I am electronic and the questions are clear: I thought these are the same devices in 2 different packages. Is that a wrong assumption? Is that question about programming or electronic circuits?
 
9:41 PM
Do I consider the link in this answer to be a dead end? I didn't bother translating. Kill the answer? stackoverflow.com/a/5615939/2943403
 
@mickmackusa NAA
 
Is this anything other than a plagiarized version of this other answer?
 

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