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9:00 PM
@Nick That's extremely helpful, thank you. I didn't really know about that change, or at least hadn't read it on meta. So when you say off-topic, you mean community-specific-reasons?
 
Yes :p, because they mean the same thing
When I say closable, I mean off-topic and/or any of the other reasons we already mentioned (TB/POB etc)
 
@Nick Is off-topic used instead of community-specific-reasons in any of the official docs as far as you know? Apart from the help/on-topic page that we're discussing.
 
Not sure
Certainly used to be in a few places, but think most got changed
 
@cigien It was actually off-topic for most of the existence of SE. It only changed to "community specific reason" when the post notices changed.
 
@Nick I don't have a preference either way, but I do like consistency. That help-page should say "community-specific-reasons* instead of off-topic I think. Turns out, it's pretty simple to change the help-pages apparently, so I'll give it a shot.
 
9:05 PM
@cigien You think that, I think everywhere it says "community-specific reasons" should say off-topic :p
 
It was confusing. It also confused new users. People could say their programming post was off-topic.
 
@Makyen Yes, I just learned that from the link Nick shared. You probably know this, was it intended to switch over all usages of off-topic?
 
@cigien Off-topic is overloading a general term. The rest of the world has a definition which isn't the same as it would be if we just used it for a specified set of sub-reason here. ..sorry I read that wrong. Please do change all off-topics to "community-specific-reasons* :)
 
:p I had just written 3 sentences explaining why consistency is good.
 
@Scratte It's still confusing, and will likely be confusing into the foreseeable future, at least until SE makes the flag/close dialog more understandable (at least to indicate that an item is going to open another page of the dialog when it's selected).
 
9:09 PM
Note btw that I can't change anything directly. I can only make a reasoned argument to those who can.
 
Sorry, that was my mistake for sure :)
@Makyen They just need to add in some dots, and update the flag help page. I find it frustrating that there's no visual on that page anymore.
 
@Makyen The issue is they need to make it more understandable without being overly verbose, and that ain't always easy with some audiences
 
Hmm.. not overly verbose? You know you're talking to Makyen, right? :)
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dur
10:05 PM
Sorry, wasn't reading here for long time. The script for showing open CVs is gone, right? Or do I have to install it again or something different?
 
@Dharman I don't see why that needs focus. Seems to be a very specific question.
 
@cigien Don't you have a function in a standard library in Python that can check if a string is contained in another string?
 
@Dharman Yes, there is. And I suggested that as a target in a comment. Why does it lack focus though? You clearly understood the specific question the OP is asking.
 
I don't understand the problem.
 
Your close reason is completely incorrect.
 
10:15 PM
If you think it is a duplicate then I am perfectly find closing is as such.
For me it's unclear where is the problem.
 
As I said, the problem as I see it is, your close reason is completely incorrect. And everyone closed it as with that reason, which is obviously not your fault, but still.
 
@dur I think you mean the "UnclosedRequestReview.user.js", also called "Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS)". You can find a link to it at Any resources to help?
 
What do they mean by a sequence. Your link talks about lists. I understand a sequence to be a string
 
If they meant lists then is it possible that the items are not consecutive?
 
10:18 PM
@Dharman That sounds like a reason for Needs Focus. I don't entirely agree, but I sort of see your point. And thank you for answering my question.
 
Meh, the target has already 25 questions closed against it. I don't see that question adding anything to the corpus
Rather than correct closure, I prefer useful closure. That question doesn't need to exist on the site.
 
Of course that is just the reason I picked but the other 2 people can choose a completely different reason
 
@Braiam I agree. That question should be deleted. But for the reasons you stated. It's an unneeded dupe. I'd just rather not accidentally close a question like that if no dupe exists, and closing as Needs Focus instead runs that risk.
 
Again, we don't have to visit it again if closed as non-duplicate ;)
Useful > correct
it's more useful for the site to just get that question out of our minds and sights ASAP
 
@cigien the dupe target looks like a legitimate question, with an example input and an example output; not the case with the one we closed
 
dur
10:22 PM
@Scratte Thanks. Yes, that is the script I was looking for. However, I cannot find an install link (like the other script to send CVs). Did I miss it or is there no link?
 
@Braiam How are you judging that? The reason you gave is that it's a dupe. If you don't know that a target exists, why isn't it useful?
 
@cigien Because there are 25 other questions pointing to it. There's a point where more duplicates don't help.
Useful > correct again
There's nothing useful by closing it as duplicate.
 
@Braiam I'm not claiming that closing it as a duplicate is better necessarily. I'm simply pointing out that 3 users closed it before knowing it's a duplicate at all. And apart from the duplicate reason, the post looks all right to me.
 
@cigien And I'm pointing out that we are discussing a non-problem.
 
I don't do it often but I agree with Braiam. At some point closing with a duplicate just because is not helpful.
 
10:26 PM
We are discussing for at least 5 minutes something that shouldn't exist on the site. Just don't do it. There's nothing useful discussing it anymore. Out of sight, out of mind.
The objective should be: get rid of this. If you agree with that objective, using duplicate closure is not useful.
 
@Braiam I don't agree with that objective. Not before I discovered that it's a duplicate. The post could have done with editing, sure, but it certainly didn't need to be gotten rid of.
 
@cigien I don't care about that question. If you want to invest more energy, do not drag anyone else into it. For me, that question was solved in the way more useful I found. I would like to focus on the next.
In other words: vote and move on.
 
Ok, it's not clear to me why you feel I dragged you into this conversation, as you put it, but I do apologize for making you feel that way.
 
Don't worry. I just feel that the collective time is more well spent on something we can actually solve that isn't solved.
 
@cigien It's useful to discuss this if you want to preserve the question. Either as a useful duplicate or as an answerable question. If the question needs to be closed either way then just choose the reason you feel is right and move on
 
10:33 PM
@dur Yes. That is the "*-pls Request Generator". However that one linked is not the "alpha" version. That one can be found in a link in this message. Please note that the preview doesn't work anymore, as the message says.
 
FWIW I chose the reason that was most suitable in my opinion and I didn't think it is a duplicate, but when you asked me to explain my reasoning I was happy to do so.
 
@Dharman Yes, I see that point of view. IMO, there are a non-negligible number of questions that get closed that shouldn't. I feel that addressing incorrect close reasons is one way of doing that. I could of course be wrong, or doing it poorly. I'm open to feedback on that.
 
If a question is closed but shouldn't be then you can raise an objection and state your case or even post reopen-pls here.
 
@Dharman That's interesting. Yes, you could explain why your close reason was appropriate when asked, and I expect that you could do that with most, if not all your close reasons. However, it seems like it should be the other way around, i.e. decide the reason first, and then use that to close, and make a request.
 
@Dharman BTW, my opinion was to nuke that question from orbit. The problem wasn't even a conceptually interesting one. Read like one of those assignments.
 
10:37 PM
We don't really decide the reason here. I suggest the reason I think is the most appropriate but you can use any one you want.
The reason I chose should not compel you to pick the same
 
@Dharman Are you suggesting that I shouldn't bring up if a post if it was closed for the wrong reasons, but only if it shouldn't have been closed at all?
 
:51090677 ? That made it pretty hard to help you :)
 
Yeah, pretty much. It's about evaluating the potential outcome. Do you expect us to reopen and close again? That's not feasible so making an issue out of it seems unconstructive.
 
dur
@Scratte That is the link for the generator, which I already have installed. I don't see a link for the review. Did I miss anything?
 
@Dharman I think it's a good time to bring up a close reason when it's requested. If one thinks the close reason it wrong. The user posting the Question should get the best guidance.
 
10:41 PM
@Dharman Ah, I see the confusion. No, my goal is not to reopen and close posts with the correct reason. Rather, I'm hoping that users use the right reasons when making requests in the first place, so that useful posts don't get accidentally closed, or deleted.
Scratte's point about the user seeing the right thing in the banner is also nice.
 
I don't think one can always chose the best reason. This is why it's a voting system so that the majority wins
 
@dur What is the review? I'm aware of two scripts. The one that sends requests into the room. And the one that works in the room to see what requests are still actionable. I've linked both, I think.
 
dur
@Scratte Sorry. I'm looking for an install link for reviews (a button under "send" and "update" on the chat site).
@Scratte Yes, I'm looking for the second. Both links are for the first script, right?
 
@dur I do not think I've ever heard of that. What does it do? I mean what happens when one pressed the button?
 
@Dharman It's not a question of the best reason. Any correct close reason will do. And I'm not sure what you mean by majority wins. What does the majority win? I don't even think it's common knowledge how the specific close reason is chosen when multiple users vote differently.
 
10:44 PM
@dur No. The first one is the URRS, that looks for actionable requests inside the room. The second one I linked is the request generator that sends requests from posts into the room. That one is the SECloseVoteRequestGenerator.user.js.
 
It takes three to close a question. If the reason I chose is not the one you would chose then what's the harm. The other two people can chose the more suitable one. After all, how do we precisely define the correct reason?
 
dur
@Scratte Maybe I miss something, but both install links are for the generator. Could you paste the install link for the other script here? Thanks, again.
 
@Dharman I'm not sure what you mean. I'm aware that a question could have multiple close reasons, and I don't mind particularly if different members choose different ones. Choosing an incorrect reason however, I think is worth calling out.
 
Then I don't think we are on the same page.
 
Ah, so if I understand correctly, so long as the question should be closed, it doesn't matter to you which reason is used?
 
10:50 PM
@dur It's this one that is the first one. The URRS. It's the third item on the list. That will take you here
 
I don't feel like I chose the wrong reason. If you were to vote as a duplicate then I still woulnt' think you picked the wrong reason. There is no wrong reason if the question needs to be closed
The resulting message might be wrong but that's a small detail
 
"There is no wrong reason if the question needs to be closed" I can't resist being cheeky and pointing out that Seeking Recs would be a wrong reason for that post ;) But I see where you're coming from; the exact close reasons are less important to you than closing the question. I feel differently of course, but at least we understand each other now I think. Thanks for clarifying.
 
The goal is to either close the question or leave it open. A side quest might be to preserve a helpful signpost. If the destination is to close the question then any reason is the right one.
Even if you picked seeking recommendations I would not complain. It would be a right reason
 
@Dharman That is fascinating to me. Thank you for being so clear about your position. I'm finding it very informative.
 
@dur If you're confused about how to install it, just click on "raw" on the right side at the github site.
@Dharman I'm not agreeing on that at all. There are some users that go to meta and ask about what to do. The majority probably don't understand it, and especially not if the reason doesn't fit. There's noway to get good content if the users that post get the wrong guidence.
 
dur
11:07 PM
@Scratte Yes, but this is the source code, is there no install link like for the other script?
 
@dur Lets call them URRS (the one with the image) and the Request Generator. Which one are you asking for an install link for? But when you look at the source, the install link it really right there. The install link just points to the same place as if you press "raw" :)
 
dur
@Scratte Ok, thanks. Yes, I was confused. I always used the install link, which opened it directly. Didn't know or couldn't remember, that I have to switch to the raw.
 
@dur Are you using Tampermonkey?
 
dur
@CertainPerformance Yes.
 
@dur No worries. I am always more confused about how to get from the install link (raw) to the source :)
 
11:10 PM
In TM, if you just have the source code, you can copy it (plain text) to the clipboard, then click on TM icon at top right, "Create a new script", paste in everything, save
 
But this is a very long script :) So.. that's a little tedious :)
 
dur
@CertainPerformance Thanks, bur now it is already installed. Thanks to Scratte. Last time I installed it, it is 3 years ago. I couldn't remember the name and installation link. The other script was easier to find and install.
 
11:23 PM
Is it just me or does the URRS not show the active reopen requests when searching for them?
If I search for "tagged/reopen" without the user script active, I see two requests on the top by cigien. But if I use the URRS, then at first it loads the two, but once I click on one, it disappears. Now none of those two will show.
..never mind. It seems to be a "feature" :)
 
11:52 PM
Can a C++ SME review this post I closed? The OP insists that the target is insufficient.
 

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