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12:06 AM
@cigien Since you mention it, that's just a label that is actually negative. Associating a place with drug culture.
 
12:36 AM
waffles
 
12:46 AM
@eyllanesc morreu Maradona.
 
1:05 AM
@bad_coder I'm not sure what you mean. What's negative about the music?
 
Is this just NAA?
 
@cigien that wasn't what I said.
@Scratte mmmhhhh....might be some form of spam, but NAA will do.
 
@Scratte no, it's abusive
 
I'm not sure I would R/A flag that.
 
just deleted as such
 
1:10 AM
I'm also in a dilemma. But I'm soft on the inside.. and the outside.
 
It's been deleted as R/A or Spam.
 
Those moderator lurkers.. they're very effective :)
 
@cigien why you were not sure?
 
@desertnaut Not sure :p But I feel bad flagging as R/A unless I feel they deserve it. This didn't feel like that.
I'm hoping the lurking mod will clarify this one :)
 
"plz my dad has cancer and I need money"...??
 
1:12 AM
@desertnaut it's the money part that's "abusive"....
 
@bad_coder so, if it was just the dad & cancer part, it would be just NAA?
 
I really don't know. I don't see a problem with others flagging as R/A. I flagged as NAA, and it was marked helpful. I think it achieves the same purpose here.
 
@desertnaut yes it would change things...Money remits to scam, the whole thing felt like spam. But there's a remote possibility (call me naive and in good faith) that it is true (and it was just a person expressing themselves).
 
Even if it were true and their dad was suffering from cancer, how is raising the issue on Stack Overflow anything other than abuse of the site?
Can PHP cure cancer? Or even JavaScript?
 
@AdrianMole that's in a broad system definition of abuse.
 
1:21 AM
Yes - the broad definition is what R/A flags can and should be used for.
 
Well, if that's the system definition, then the flag is appropriate.
 
grobagsgdm%% s-- eekishnetpsoblurts.
^ That's R/A in the same definition!
 
I flagged it already ;)
 
@AdrianMole that is abusing my ability of interpretation, what did you just say? :)
 
Read it backwards ... then it becomes A/R.
 
1:24 AM
@AdrianMole LoL you actually got me reading it backwards, but I think I saw the word "cheeky" in there :)
 
strulbosptenhsikee --s %%mdgsgaborg. I just don't understand the double %
 
It's a C/C++ thing: %% is how to print %.
 
@AdrianMole ah yes, printf(%s)
 
It's funny how programming is just about repeating stuff: && || %% ==
 
@AnnZen I'm already out of close votes :(
@AdrianMole I think you have a rare ability "to make things right"...Wish I had that ability, but I don't. I wonder how I could work on developing it.
 
1:43 AM
@bad_coder Just ask Adrian to write a program for you ;)
When a user has a score of 110,627 in a tag :O
 
@Scratte who?
 
@bad_coder VonC also just made a million reputation points! Congratulations VonC for reaching a million reputation
 
@Scratte just noticed, I was confusing him with the other SO'er that made 1 million recently.
 
@bad_coder Gordon's top tag score is only 84,893..
Interestingly there's a major difference in total Answers.
It seems Jon Skeet and VonC have sort of the same ratio of Answers to reputation points.
Wow!.. and I just noticed the top tag score of 241,043 :O
 
I'm a little confused. Why so many down-votes?
 
1:56 AM
@cigien It started out as a self-answer. May have been a factor.
 
@Scratte That's the thing. I watched that post from the beginning. I even down-voted the answer, and up-voted the question. But I think the question got 2 down-votes after the answer was deleted. Which is strange.
 
Some users can still see those.. it's impossible to work out human nature though.
 
No, just very hard :)
 
@Scratte logging out of SOCVR, good night ya'll o/
 
Well.. how do you work out that two different humans will do opposite things. It's not like you can find a definite pattern :)
@bad_coder Have fun :)
 
2:02 AM
Sure, I didn't say it's easy, or that we even know how to do that. But we don't have any evidence that it's impossible either.
 
You're nitpicking me? :D Do you have any evidence that it's "very hard"? Does "very hard" imply possible, but not easy? :)
 
No, not nitpicking at all. "Very hard" is evident from the fact that many people have tried, and failed. For it to be "impossible", one would need to show there is some fundamental reason why we can't know those things. And that's not been shown.
And I think it's "possible" because while people have failed, progress has been made.
 
(1) Nothing is a round square. (2) A round square is impossible. Deduction: Nothing is impossible.
 
@cigien Sort like starting from walking trying to get to the speed of light. Making progress doesn't really cut it ;)
 
If a question says something like "I wanna replace all [tag name] tags with another tag", then an answer says "don't use regex, use DOM then offers a link to php.net/manual/en/book.dom.php ...is this really An Answer? If feels like a "hint", because I don't think it attempts to resolve. Should I flag it?
 
2:09 AM
@AdrianMole Nice.. I'm even reading up on logic. I can't remember the name of this fallacy :D
 
@Scratte But we have clear, fundamental reasons why it's impossible to reach, or at least go faster than the speed of light. We don't have that kind of "proof" about human nature being impossible to understand.
 
@mickmackusa It will probably get declined since "don't use regex, use DOM" is a partial answer..
 
@Scratte That's what I fear.
 
@Scratte false syllogism IIRC. Here's a penguin to explain it :)
 
2:12 AM
Did the maximum age for a question to be proposed here (to close vote) change from 6 months to 6 years?
 
Maybe it's the Round Square Copula?
 
@mickmackusa Can you share the link?
 
@cigien Yes.. but is it because "impossible" isn't a "category"? Ah.. it's non-distributive.
 
@AnnZen I have explained in the respective request
 
2:14 AM
@desertnaut Oh, thanks!
 
@mickmackusa I wouldn't flag that. It's just VLQ I think.
 
@AnnZen the subject question was linked from this one we have just closed; we would not want the OP to come back at us complaining "but the other question is open (and valid)"
^^ bending the rules? yes...
 
@desertnaut Not at all. The term "active" is meant to be used in this context as well. The OP used that open post as part of their question, which means a post that should be closed is recently visible (i.e. it was active in the last 6 months). I don't think this is bending the rules in any way. An RO should confirm of course.
 
@cigien sounds reasonable
not quite sure though if linking is included explicitly in our rules as an activity criterion
 
I don't think it's explicit. IIRC it's intentionally a bit vague because there are a lot of corner case, making an enumeration painful. I'll look in the transcript, this was discussed fairly recently.
 
2:23 AM
@cigien The penguin is a different fallacy. It comes under "fallacy of the undistributed middle" Syllogistic fallacies
@cigien There's a flag called VLQ :D
There is a rule for when a post is being as an example, if I remember correctly. And that rule doesn't have an recent activity requirement. are a bad example used to justify other posts that are off-topic and/or low-quality
 
@desertnaut This is the intent. If you go down the transcript a bit, there's a suggestion for clarification to the FAQ, and agreement that it should be updated. I think the FAQ was updated as a result, but I can't find that particular message.
Searching is hard :(
 
@cigien whoa! you rock!!
thanks
 
@Scratte That's just a specific syllogistic fallacy though right? I'm looking at the list and I don't remember half of them :(
@desertnaut np
 
@cigien Yes.. I plan to forget the names of them by the morning. I know one when I see one :D
 
You like doing logic in words? I prefer symbolic notation myself. Words are tricky ;)
 
2:36 AM
@cigien Affirmative conclusion from a negative premise is however one that is used a lot as an actual argument as the example there "We don't read that trash. People who read that trash don't appreciate real literature. Therefore, we appreciate real literature."
 
@mickmackusa it is an answer, if not a very good one. All you can do is downvote and vtd (and perhaps put in a del-pls request if it's eligible)
 
@cigien Most humans use words :) Just trying to do the impossible, I guess..
 
True, words seem to work. Some bits of logic I still remember, i.e. which I understand, I think of symbolically though.
 
I think it's much easier when one uses formal symbols and notation. The hard bit is to spot a fallacy in an argument.
 
Ah, I see. That's because the words are tricky ;) Try writing the argument down as symbols, and focus on symbolic manipulation. You often end up with the right result, and you're not biased by the associations the words have in real life while you're figuring out the fallacy.
 
2:53 AM
Strangely I use sets to point out the fallacies :)
 
3:11 AM
I'm not seeing an Answer here. Yet is was "reviewed" an hour ago. Did I miss something?
 
@Scratte I agree, it looks like it should be a comment to the answer you posted in the comment. And the reviewer should be put in the bad reviewer corner.
 
@Nick I think they perhaps just upvoted my comment.. :(
 
That's a bad review. It's not an answer, but I would custom flag instead of NAA flag.
Well, it's converted to a comment now :)
@Scratte Isn't the question too broad?
 
@cigien I didn't look a that. I just noticed that the Answer was still around. I must admit that commenting on Answer and not flagging them seem to reveal a lot of strange reviewers.
 
3:27 AM
Do you mean generally, or on this answer?
 
On this Answer. But.. naah. I think it looks fine. It's just looks like a short howTo Question to me.
 
Yeah, that's reasonable. I CVed myself, but I'm not confident enough to make a request. I'll see what the review queue thinks.
 
Then it will be closed. Nothing survives the close vote queue anymore.
..and I find it useful. I wasn't confused about what they're trying to do.
 
Is that your usual pessimism, or do have evidence that good posts tend not to survive the CV queue?
 
Do you have evidence that they are not? :D I've asked about a few recently. But.. I tend to just see them disappear 10 days after closing. I only ask about some of them. Others I ask the answerer if they've noticed the closure. Mostly.. I just do nothing and get depressed.
 
3:34 AM
No, I don't have evidence that they are not. But that should be the default assumption, right?
 
Ahh.. but I'm not the only one noticing fine posts getting closed in the close vote queue lately.
But I have noticed that posts do not make it out of the queue unless they are long, as in it takes more than 5-10 minutes to find out that they are unanswerable. Then nothing can close them. Not even this room.
 
Long, as in length of the post? I've never heard that before.
 
I edited ;)
 
Ah, I see. I don't know about that. Many long questions are obviously unanswerable.
 
No. That's not what I mean at all. I mean long in time to spend on them.
 
3:39 AM
@Scratte Is this in chat, or on meta, or somewhere else?
 
Both in chat and on meta.. but.. in comments.
 
@Scratte Oh, I see. I misunderstood. But that makes sense. A post that takes a long time to evaluate is less likely to get closed.
 
The problem is that it wastes a lot more time total.. All the ones that thinks they may want to Answer it. Most are probably not able to close vote.
 
@Nick I have done all that I can. (I posted a new answer on the page.)
 
I think also.. that.. the answerer used to be a regular here :D
 
3:43 AM
@mickmackusa You could post a del-pls.
@Scratte I'm not really sure what you mean. Whose time is wasted exactly?
 
@cigien he can't now he has posted an answer.
 
@mickmackusa Oops, sorry about that. I missed it :(
 
@cigien The users that read them. Because they are not closed.
 
@Scratte So users who can't VTC are wasting their time by reading posts that are open, but should be closed?
 
@cigien Well.. if I spend 15 minutes on a post and find that it's unanswerable and I then flag it.. and nothing. Then I expect others will also do that, and the fact that they do not get closed does mean that I certainly wasted my time. It's frustrating when those posts do not get closed, but short HowTo Questions that are answerable do get closed.
 
4:03 AM
Ok, I understand that can be frustrating. This may not be helpful, especially since you're relearning logic and are busy at the moment, but this, like many of the issues you bring up, would be mitigated if not outright solved by you just not preventing yourself from earning privileges.
 
@cigien I think you are confused about me gaining privileges and me using them.
I've flagged banned myself. A privilege gained at 15 reputation points ;)
 
Ok, you'd solve your problems, or some of them, by using the privileges you do have.
 
No.. I wouldn't have enough time or votes to feel like I made a difference.
I remember just recently someone with a lot more privileges saying they didn't know how to fix it.
Anyway.. I think I need to sleep an hour or so :)
 
I don't know about that. I feel like my time and votes make a difference, however small, and I suspect many other users feel the same.
Good night :)
 
 
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5:33 AM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Isn't that asking about replacing a specific tag? The target doesn't look right.
 
@cigien The tagging seems to suggest that they wanted to do it with a regex, and that's what a lot of the answers focused on.
If the answers are all just going to be "don't parse HTML with a regex" it would probably be best to just close it as a dupe of the canonical post on that topic
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, I translated and CVed as non-English. But the OP hasn't said the tutorial is their own, so no disclosure.
 
It needed to be gone, IMHO, but I'm not sure a spam penalty was appropriate. In English, it may have looked OK: This is my website that does blah blah; can you check it?
... although, as I read what I just wrote, it starts to look more like spam to me.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica But a regex is reasonable for this. The fact that all the answers assume the OP wants to parse arbitrary xhtml is not really relevant, rigtht?
@AdrianMole There's no "my" unfortunately. I think the OP meant to disclose, but it got lost in translation. Not sure, but as currently worded, it's spam.
 
Still, the OP doesn't contradict that, so if all of the answers are in the wrong direction it seems like the question should be clarified
 
5:41 AM
Ok, that's reasonable. And I guess a decade is long enough to have waited.
 
Could be either I guess, but either way it seems pointless to have tons of answers saying "don't use a regex for that"
 
The answers are generally not great, I suppose. I deleted one of them today in fact. BTW, the dupe closure affects roomba right? It should have been closed as Needs Clarity.
 
 
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8:08 AM
Is there a grace period for editing your suggested edit? It says so here: meta.stackexchange.com/q/299892/158100 but I never tried it myself
 
8:59 AM
@rene I did try it ... it works, not exactly what I expected but good enough
 
@rene I remember being able to change an edit suggestion before it was approved
But the functionality is kind of hidden
 
yeah, I was fiddling with it to see if I could get a < 6 chars edit in.
@JeanneDark yeah, it is a bit of a surprise how it works.
And I believe surprising your users is a kind of a non-starter in UX.
 
SO is full of surprises
 
It's SO full of them.
 
Interesting that suggested edits have a grace period (IIRC even after it has already been reviewed but not yet approved/rejected), but you can't retract them.
 
 
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10:21 AM
@rene Surprisingly most waiters are also a bit´clueless if asked: "Surprise me please!" ;-)
 
11:06 AM
I really like this 10 seconds comment flag resolution time...
I imagine our mods looking at the flag queue, pressing F5 every three seconds ;)
 
How does this "not provide an answer"?
Maybe it is better off as a comment. But it does look like an answer to me
 
@Yatin Not sure. Doesn't look like NAA to me, although it could use some more explanation
 
@Yatin I cannot tell why. It does to me.
 
I just reviewed it
 
Yay.. saving a post makes me happy :)
 
11:20 AM
It is an answer
 
12:05 PM
^ "Darn it stack over flow just let me type my damm title" " there somthing wrong"
 
Do you have an idea how this question can be edited so it does not look opinion-based? stackoverflow.com/questions/61575283/…
 
@janw Maybe just ask how to convert from 3.1 to 5 like the title implies and turn the opinion-based question into a remark about 6 being released in 2021. then answers can still point out that it's better to wait. If the current answer details a bit more how to convert from 3. to 5 it also wouldn't be invalidated.
 
12:27 PM
@JeanneDark Yeah, the answer is a bit thin, and didn't even answer the original question. Your proposal may work, I will give it another thought and then edit. Thank you :)
 
1:05 PM
@Machavity It's not just that I want the edit made, I feel bad that their helpful edit would be classified as declined. It's rather old, so it's like they found it instead of randomly stumbling upon it.
 
 
2:21 PM
Can I post a second cv-pls on a question that was already closed by cv-pls but has been reopened by a mod despite being close-worthy?
 
@DavidBuck No, you have to take it to meta. From the FAQ: "If a request was completed, but the state of the post was reversed (e.g. a question you posted a cv-pls for was reopened), posting a new request for the same action is not permitted. Such situations are commonly seen as a dispute between users and should be taken to Meta, so that more viewpoints can be accommodated and a more complete look can be taken of the situation."
I assume that the fact that a mod reopened it is irrelevant. Mods are users too.
 
@cigien Thanks. I already have two such posts in this category as there seems to be a large reopening activity taking place. I can't be bothered taking it to Meta for now, so I'll just follow them and hope that no-one answers them before they Roomba.
 
@DavidBuck I think it would be all right to share the links though. I'd like to see them, if you're willing.
 
I don't mind. If an RO objects, they're welcome to remove this message. The questions I've seen were this and this
 
2:36 PM
Thanks.
 
 
4:16 PM
I finally have more reputation points than Jon Skeet has badges.
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4:39 PM
guys which flag to rise for answer like this when OP posted extended version separately, very low quality?
 
@Ruli Flag the smaller answer with mod flag for deletion...
 
@Yatin job done, helpful flag #500 woop woop
2
 
Marshal :)
 
Well done on 500 helpful flags. That is a great achievement
 
6:01 PM
ugh will come to these "find the length without len" python questions later, there is hella lot of them, this will need better insight
 
6:14 PM
@Ruli That's not eligible for a cv-pls, unless I'm missing something. Could you trash that please?
 
@Ruli please see rule 11: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-cv-pls-not-a-habit the bullet about recent activity says posts need to have been active over the last 6 months.
 
Huh, Homework Sunday seems to be a real thing. I'm out of CVs already :(
 
7:12 PM
TIL there's a tag dedicated to the six
 
 
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8:54 PM
@Makyen I think your comment should be the answer.
 
9:11 PM
@Dharman If that's the answer, then there's probably a variety of proposals for new close reasons which would have a nearly identical answer. I viewed an answer as more of weighing the alternatives based on available data, rather than just saying that's what needs to happen.
 
There's no way that any argument I present however valid would convince anyone to replace any existing reason.
 
Which one would you replace though? If I think it's a good idea, I'd be happy to propose it.
 
9:29 PM
@cigien Obviously the least used one is Server/Networking.
 
But it does get used as a migration path, right? Not sure if dumping it entirely is a good idea.
 
No, not the migration ones. The second from the list
 
But isn't that for migration? The first one is for Super User, and second for Server Fault. Or am I misunderstanding what migration means?
 
No, migration is the one at the bottom, it opens another menu
 
Ohh, I see, I totally misunderstood that. Then what on earth is Server/Networking for? Why not merge it with GeneralComputing?
 
9:34 PM
I dunno
 
Huh, well I'll take a look on MSO to see if I can find where the discussions about this happened in the first place.
 
After a few years I still don't know when I should be using the second option vs. the first
For me both mean: it's not about programming
 
Yeah, I'm definitely not sure either. Recently someone (I think it was Tink) made a request for CV as GC, and I said it was Server. They said that it's something they've set up in their own home, which seemed reasonable to me. You're right, the distinction is unclear, and as far as describing "not programming" goes, the distinction doesn't seem useful either.
Maybe I will answer that post after all :)
 
10:04 PM
@cigien who? what? where? ;D
 
Oh dear. Another user with a script to monitor chat? :D
 
@tink :p Not sure if it was you. Do you remember if we talked about whether a particular post should have been closed as GC, or SF?
 
Nope, just a coincidence @Scratte ... I spend enough time here as it is (some would argue too much).
@cigien - I think I do ... but then =} ...
 
Sure :) It's not important at all. I just mentioned you because I thought it was you.
 
I think the user is presented with a different message for the two different reasons, which could just be one message: If you need help as a user, Super User may be better. If you're asking about a paid software used for a business ..blah.. administration, Server Fault may be the site to ask your Question.
 
10:33 PM
@Scratte I hear you ... but some people here seem to think that anything involving "firewalling" belongs to "professional networking" ... shrug
 
@tink Ohh.. So my personal windows firewall Questions belong on Server Fault? :D
 
@Scratte in some people's view possibly? Not in my world. ;)
 
That's just funny. Wonder if any of those are users at Server Fault.
 
Heh. I'd very much doubt that ...
That would be like me inviting people with problems using find to Stack Overflow =D
 
10:56 PM
@tink find is very confusing though. Anything linux is confusing :D
 
11:08 PM
@tink I'm confused. Are you talking about bash find? I think that's on-topic.
 
@Scratte LOL ...
@cigien - is ls also on-topic? :)
 
I think so.
 
@tink I think that one is called dir :P
@cigien I don't think they are. Using commands to find files or list files isn't considered programming :)
Creating a script is probably fine. But I'm sure someone will disagree.
 
There seem to be a fair number of posts.
 
They seems to be programming related though. Not just simply "How to use find"
 
11:32 PM
@AdrianMole so you've been to Elbonia :)
 
11:53 PM
@Scratte LOL ...
I know there are many, but that doesn't make them right ... =}
While some of the arguments to find are somewhat cryptic if not obscure it's still not programming per se.
 

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