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@bad_coder You can check the json response..
 
@Scratte No use user-script-fu :) I found a duplicate for it.
 
@bad_coder I'm not sure how finding a duplicate solves the puzzle :) Except that casting a close vote revealed it not to be :)
 
@Scratte It could have been a bad audit, but I took a risk and even found a duplicate for it.
SOCVR is depressive right now, all the normal people are sleeping.
 
Wait.. what? I'm not normal? Am I depressing too? :D
 
1:42 AM
@Scratte I should be asleep, and no we are normal but staying here late-night is a habit I've got to change.
@Scratte meta is depressive, that much is true.
 
@bad_coder It is.. very. Every time I go to meta, I feel like I want to log out and not log back in again.
 
2:26 AM
@bad_coder thanks for finding the dupe I hammered it...
 
2:44 AM
@Nick hi :) don't mention it, always better to have a dup target
 
3:01 AM
@Nick Have you seen this feature request?
 
@Lankymart When the situation is "hot", you gotta back off. No matter whose fault it is, continuing to do stuff is just going to antagonize the situation. You were too close, too passionate at the time to see that, which is why (after discussing among several of the mods), we thought a suspension was important just to deescalate things.
We know that a suspension is pretty frustrating, so we didn't make the decision lightly, and I think I can speak for the team in saying that we're really sorry it went down like that, but we didn't feel like we had much choice.
I don't think you necessarily need to take any major life lessons from this, other than when someone is calling you out about something, you should refrain from otherwise engaging with that person (addressing their call-outs on the applicable Meta post is fine, of course). That means not continuing to comment on their posts, not continuing to vote to close their posts, etc., even when your votes/comments are completely legitimate and would be 100% permissible during 'normal' times.
Regarding some of your other comments here... it really helps to stop seeing this as a grind.
You post answers not for the benefit of a single person, but for all the hundreds of people who come by later and benefit from it.
I don't do much VBScript, but I distinctly remember benefitting from one of your answers once. It was an old answer that I just happened to come across, but it still helped me, and I was thankful for that. Those are all the people you're helping, people you never meet, people you never see comments from... nameless, faceless people who are nevertheless happier and better off because of work that you've done.
When you're active and visible, you're going to run into friction, people who don't like what you say or do. But as long as you're doing it for the right reasons, you have to just let that roll off of you.
You say things like, "I hardly answer now and when I do most of the time it bites me in the ass.", but that's just not true.
It isn't a bite in the ass just because one single person who asked a question doesn't like the answer you gave them.
You've done fantastic work here over the years, and no occasional comment from a disgruntled jerk is going to undermine that.
 
I do wonder if this sort of discussion should be held in private
 
It normally would be, but it was brought up in here... so...
Also... this problem isn't specific to Lankymart, but something experienced by lots of hard-working, underappreciated curators. So, past the first message or two about the suspension, this is general advice/reassurance. :-)
 
fair enough, but then to broadcast to all, perhaps in meta. SOCVR is a limited sampling of users
 
Rene already tried to get me to write more Meta posts
 
3:17 AM
Rene should write more, in my opinion
I've always been impressed with what he has to say
 
Yeah, I agree with that
If Rene writes more, then I can just spend my time nitpicking his grammar. Way easier for me. :-)
 
@Scratte You do: "blatantly off-topic". I gotta say, I much prefer closing non-English questions as off-topic versus "unclear". How do we know if they're unclear? We can't read them! In my experience and intuition, this is a very confusing reason to have a foreign-language question closed. The asker might re-read it dozens of times and insist that it is very clear and concise. But they've misdiagnosed the problem, because the close reason is wrong.
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter I'm of the same opinion, but some writers are best enjoyed with a sparing output. Like drinking wine, you have to enjoy every sip. Glad Cody addressed the issue up thread, I wanted to see a good answer given to those legitimate concerns.
 
@wim Flagged by the OP to request deletion. They couldn't do it themselves because it was accepted. Mods will generally indulge requests to delete accepted answers when they come from the OP on the basis of the answer being wrong and there being a better answer already posted to the same question.
It wasn't a NAA flag; that wouldn't have been accepted. Neither would a custom flag from a random user saying, "This is wrong/harmful".
@wim It wouldn't, actually. That's a bug that we discussed in here some time back. Acceptance status only ever shows in the question timeline, and it doesn't show there when the answer is deleted.
(Oh, my sockpuppet already said that. Cool.)
 
3:29 AM
hmmm
 
HAHA! I got legit confused with Bart again. That brings back memories of good old times.
 
Oh, so it wasn't just me then. Y'all really look the same.
 
@rene 365 days today of consecutivly visiting the site. I promised I'd log out, but I'm a sucker for hats - so I'm staying for Winter Bash :)
 
@cigien It was a common occurrence back in the old days, when MSE and MSO were the same place, and Bart was as active as I was. We also had very similar ideas, similar senses of humor, and similar writing styles, so it went beyond just the similar avatars.
@bad_coder I thought it was decided we weren't doing Winter Bash again this year
 
@CodyGray hottest thing on meta right now even has a pretty site and all.
 
3:34 AM
Ah, cool, OK.
That's nice to hear, actually. I was going to miss it if it was gone for good.
But I distinctly remember hearing chatter last year that they weren't planning to do it again.
 
I...don't see the problem.
 
@CodyGray neither do I, but nothing on meta is complete without a polemic :)
 
That's what is great about Meta.
@Scratte Thanks! High praise for my posts there. :o)
 
3:56 AM
@CodyGray ok, first 60 seconds - The Critical Drinker :D
 
4:11 AM
@CodyGray that was unrelated to you. I posted it because The Critical Drinker's has consistently captured my attention during November, I can't get enough of his rants.
 
OK, glad you clarified. I couldn't manage to figure out how that applied to the joke that I made, but moved on to something else without bothering to express my confusion.
 
@CodyGray arrgghhh I'm horrible, I say the most awkward things at the worst possible moment. Good that you didn't worry about it.
 
It wasn't really that awkward, and it certainly wasn't horrible.
 
4:42 AM
Can a mod or RO remove this request? The OP has deleted the question.
 
It got closed first, before it was deleted, so I'll just send it to the graveyard.
 
5:13 AM
@KenWhite Please link to the request you are asking about. Without out a link, we don't know what request you are talking about and can't know if it's been done or not.
 
@bad_coder just took a look - no idea I'm afraid, I haven't ever used custom filters
 
5:25 AM
@Makyen Sorry. I thought it would be clear that I was referring to the request that was in the same block as my removal request. The comment was in quick succession to the removal request.
 
@Nick custom filters is my favorite feature :D it's excellent, I keep tabs with it on my daily reading.
 
@CodyGray You’re absolutely right, I was too close. Appreciate the kind comments and I do try to see the bigger picture when it comes to leaving answers, but first it requires a question worth answering. I don’t blame the mods in anyway for what happened, if anything you guys were backed into a corner and I didn’t leave you much choice. Sorry about that.
 
5:43 AM
@Lankymart It's no problem. That's what we're here for. Just also want you to know that there are no hard feelings from us, and we aren't trying to send you any larger messages that your curation is unappreciated.
 
6:03 AM
Those days when you want to read your favorite tag but have to close 5 duplicates first...
 
I like those days. They're better than the days where you have to close 10 duplicates first.
 
clear duplicates are less of a problem than just really really bad posts
 
Absolutely
Primarily because they can be handled by a single gold tag badge holder. Crap questions require too much coordination to deal with.
 
@CodyGray LOL mods get my respect, wish I always defer to you guys without becoming a nuisance,
@tripleee I still put in an effort to find a duplicate or leave a comment when I can, bad questions generally don't even allow for that much.
 
6:25 AM
@bad_coder yeah, they can be thorny, but still with a gold badge they are trivial compared to things which are just barely not a reasonable duplicate of anything but still just a reiteration of a common FAQ with unclear scope and too few details
 
@Yatin poster has since added additional info in the comments.
 
> What is different between your laptop and colab? For example, which versions of Python and any libraries do you use on each platform?
 
@Yatin good point, I'm not a colab user. Just stating there might have been additional info coming in.
@Yatin I edit your comment into mine to give the user additional info. Hope you forego attribution on this.
 
@bad_coder No need... that is from the first comment...
 
@Yatin Honestly, I should be wearing my glasses (I've been noticing an increased difficulty in catching the comments.)
 
6:49 AM
Also it is better to have the entire traceback instead of a single line...
 
 
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10:36 AM
@tripleee LOL 0/10 would downvote again
 
I wish there was a checkbox for that in the close reasons
 
11:05 AM
NAA link-only answer no longer points to relevant resource.
 
@CodyGray but.. I always put a comment on the post :) Leaving all that stuff to clean up.
 
@mickmackusa Erm? Everything? 😅
 
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman Needs focus stackoverflow.com
 
@E_net4isbeingimpersonated Everything once again? 😅
Oops, StackOverflow 404!
 
11:38 AM
@PraveenKumarPurushothaman whoops I was too hasty and didn't paste what I copied. Bhargav took care of it already. stackoverflow.com/a/22498725/2943403
 
@mickmackusa Okay.
 
11:49 AM
Is this an Answer?
 
@Scratte I'm not sure to be honest
 
@klutt Heh.. that's why I asked. I'm not sure either :)
Hmm.. some didn't think so. But I still think it had some value.
That must the real advantage to being >10K. Seeing Answers that lead to answers.. instead of just a Question with.. nothing under it.
 
I would say it's an answer... code is correct but sonar giving false positive
 
@PetterFriberg I did the equivalent to the moderator button, but for me it's a slow process :)
 
Actually I also have that warning on sonar... the current code of sonar has a problem
 
12:02 PM
Is there no way to turn them off by saying "This is fine"?
 
you must wrap the .get() within an ifPresent() otherwise you get the warning
@Scratte yes there is with annotation, but you can also ignore as false postive in final sonar report
it's only sonar (a code control) system
 
@PetterFriberg Yes, I see the comments are saying the same thing.
 
Yeah sonar is missing that you have already checked ifPresent in other way... like in question...
 
@PetterFriberg Yes, I think double-beep has some issues with it too with Belisarius
 
@Scratte userscript fixed, thanks for reporting
 
12:13 PM
@SamuelLiew How did you find out? I didn't even ping you :)
It prompted me to look through it myself. I just removed the remove() :)
 
@Scratte I have a system to monitor keywords around the network as well as chat and sends me a daily summary
If you mention my userscripts I'll know
 
Same as mentioning Shog9 3 times. He'll show up ....
 
@rene I thought that was Bhargav?
 
@SamuelLiew Good thing I didn't accidentally put a typo in there :)
 
@Adriaan You wanna try that?
 
12:23 PM
How does one retract a cv-pls that I ended up answering? /retract/ doesn't give me anything on the FAQ, and the request is too old for me to delete myself.
 
I think the best say to get Bhargav's attention is to post an NAA "Posting this NAA to get Bhargav's attention. Since a deleted Answer is better than a declined flag. How are you doing today? :)"
@yivi Ping a Room Owner saying you want your request binned with a link to the chat message that has your request.
 
that ^
Only problem: Find a room owner ...
 
yes, trying to get a clue about that. not a huge chat user.
@rene aren't you a room owner?
 
Wait .. yes ... I am
 
room owners look like this, no? In italic
 
12:26 PM
awesome. Thanks @Scratte
@rene please bin this one? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51020848#51020848 I've answered it in the end. Enough specificity to make the dupe claim inappropriate.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null on request
@yivi here is the FAQ item on it: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-flag
 
Thanks @rene. Should have searched for "remove". The word "retract" wouldn't go amiss in that faq item, IMO.
 
I though we were suppose to read the entire FAQ every time we were wondering about something. It keeps in fresh in memory ;)
Is this an Answer?
 
@yivi fixed
 
@rene I came for the close votes. I stayed for the service.
 
12:37 PM
@Scratte it doesn't read like one
 
 
 
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Was that burninate-request tag added just to get the post to feed here?
... a cunning ploy.
 
any chance we actually want failed audit posts here?
 
Maybe, maybe not. But probably better suited for Sam's Bad Review Room.
Folks (including myself) have often brought 'bad audits' up in conversation, in here, so ...
 
@AdrianMole It was meant to as a chance for you to boots your meta points ;)
 
2:50 PM
hehe - Opporchancity siezed!
 
Off-site resource request: Can anyone point to a place to learn how to type properly, so I don't ping users by continuously editing messages? :) Like.. "boots" should "boost", but if I fix that, it would be the 4th ping on that message. :D
 
always proofread before submitting
 
Should this get a red flag, or do we cut the new user some slack? Currently, I have NAA on it.
 
I do.. but then I miss something. Then I realize I missed something else. I think I'm broken.
 
Latest SD report is R/A. flag please.
@AdrianMole Why is that spam? Looks like R/A to me.
 
3:02 PM
For Smokey, those two are the same
 
@JohnDvorak Ah, I see. Thanks.
 
@cigien It's spam because it's linking a paying website. But R/A would work, I guess, but only because of the content of that website. But I think spam and r/a flags work happily together, anyway.
 
That makes sense. I should lurk in Charcoal at some point to understand how this works. I plan on asking for SD privileges eventually.
 
@Machavity Stealing my thunder on Meta, huh? Still, I guess you need the rep.
 
3:18 PM
@AdrianMole I have nearly 100k Meta rep. Just a few more answers... ;)
 
Well, anything I can do to help...
 
 
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4:26 PM
Do question editors get pings from comments?
 
if you use their fullnames, yes.
 
@AdrianMole There's a lot of pingable people involved with questions that never show in the autocomplete
 
@AdrianMole The @ doesn't auto-complete if that's what you're asking.
 
I realized it didn't auto-complete. Just wondering: so they'll get the ping, assuming I've spelt the name right - one of those tricky ones. ;-)
 
4:30 PM
@AdrianMole Oh come on. It's not hard to spell πάνταῥεῖ :P
 
No - it was "Big Eric" from the C tag! I wasn't sure if an abbreviated name works for editors, so I typed the whole thing in. Looks OK.
 
@AdrianMole Just remove spaces :) And when you want to complain to moderator editors, remove the diamond ;)
 
If I wanted to complain about a mod-edit, I'd start a rant on Meta. xD
 
4:47 PM
Of course.. for fast reactions remember to mention them in the title.
 
Yes, and tag as
 
Is there actually some tag specifically for complaining about a moderator?
 
@cigien On Meta, you can use and proffer your desired action against said moderator. ;-P
 
@cigien tag as abuse and moderators. Do add to get the right crowd ...
 
@AdrianMole Action against a mod is a "feature" huh? Will do :)
@rene Ah, yes the combo tags make sense, thanks. Maybe I'll add as well ;)
 
5:05 PM
@cigien I think it's called .
 
@Scratte Nah, I think it'll be fine if I rant politely :)
 
6:31 PM
Huh, this is strange. I want to remove ++ from this title Bellman Kalaba — Help fix bugs in C++ code, but the system won't let me. Why is it fine with one but not the other?
 
I have posted another answer to stackoverflow.com/a/49986004/874188 but really, what to do about a broken answer with 13 upvotes? Edit out the erroneous part?
 
6:46 PM
@tripleee If you feel like you can edit it into shape, go for it. But if OP rolls back, there's not much you can do. The answer just seems wrong, not actively harmful, so a mod won't get involved. You've left a comment saying it's wrong, which is good. Down-vote it, and if it ever goes to a negative score, vote to delete it.
 
I seem to have downvoted a year and a half ago when I left the comment, so not holding my breath ...
the OP was seen 13 hours ago so I left a comment
 
If the OP was active recently, then go ahead and edit. That's more likely to get their attention than a comment. If they agree, that's great. If not, you'll have done everything you can.
 
 
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8:17 PM
@cigien notice how your copy-Question is getting the attention. Now that's the one being closed and no one seem to be closing it as a duplicate. Unless I'm reading it wrong and it was already like that when you posted.
 
I'm not sure what you mean. Are you referring to the for loop post? My copy-question as well as the original question are both open currently. And no one has found a duplicate they are willing to use as a close reason I guess, though lots of users seem adamant that it must exist. And I haven't changed anything after 2 edits based on comment feedback.
 
@cigien The other post can be closed as a duplicate of yours, no? But none of the close votes have picked that option :O
 
Oh, I see. Yes, absolutely. I don't want to do it myself, for obvious reasons. But the issue here I think is that users are not really serious about the dupe closure for either question. They want to close as too trivial, but are just using some other reason since that doesn't exist. There are now a total of 7 (I think) Needs Debugging Details CVs cast across both posts combined, which is quite amusing :p
 
..what debugging details?!? It's tragic if you ask me. Almost as bad as deleting posts that I find value in :P
 
8:33 PM
Touche :) I'm sorry about that. As I've said many times before, I learn best from mistakes, and those mass deletions appear to have been a mistake, both on merit, and in the way that I approached it. It's not an excuse of course, just an explanation. If it's any consolation, I intend on using my undel-votes more liberally than I used to :)
 
Not to worry. If I get to 10K I'll use them too. And they never expire :)
 
Not if, but when you get to 10K, I hope :)
 
Sorry.. if :) I'm not even sure I'll go for 3K. My Answer rate has dropped to 4 times per year.
 
Aah, pity. Together we could get 2/3rd of the way to undeleting valuable posts ;)
 
lol! I see what you're trying to do there :)
 
8:38 PM
As has been said in here recently by one of the High and Mighty Few, you do get some most bizarre close reasons on questions. And it only takes one spiteful (or just plain misguided) CV to push into the queue ... where the robo-reviewers get to add the other two. My 'personal equivalent' to cigien's for loop question is this one ... which was closed as "Needs debugging details."
 
I remember that one clearly. How on earth did that ever get closed? :(
 
Exactly! But I can never resist a chance to give it a wee plug!
 
Well, I upvoted your answer the day you posted, so I can't do much more :)
 
Not a problem. Views count, too!
 
Now I want to go through all of my old answers to see if any were closed incorrectly. I'm scared of what I'll find now.
 
8:42 PM
Digging can be dangerous, in this place.
 
Indeed. Still, mustn't let that stop us. We just need to carry a ladder along with the shovel ;)
 
That's is why I an unhappy about Stack not giving that information on the Answer page on one's profile. It only gives the title of the post, but hides the information if it's closed.
I meant to write a user script that puts the information there, but I never got around to it.
But there is a meta post for a feature-request on it. I won't hold my breath though.
 
Dupe closures show up on the answer page though, right?
 
@cigien I do not think so. I think only the title is shown. The title of the actual Question one answered.
 
@DavidBuck What does #38 mean? I don't get it.
 
8:47 PM
It's somewhat easier for me. I only have to open op a handful of post (all the ones I answered). But having the relevant information on a list of 30 answers on is just easier.
 
#38 is pythonic 'equivalent' of nth
 
Huh, never heard that. Is it a play on python3.8 or something?
 
Dunno - I just made it up.
 
@AdrianMole No.. it's not :)
 
Aah, you're being "helpful". I see ;)
 
8:49 PM
At your service!
 
Go to the duplicate target. Click on "See more linked questions" under the "Linked" list on the right.. you'll get this list of 36 posts :) With the target itself, it makes 37.. so this one that DavidBuck posted makes #38.. tada! :)
 
Aah, beautiful, thanks. :) And that's useful information in a request as well.
And Dharman's latest del-pls is #3376 :D
 
@cigien It is the 38th duplicate of the same problem that's been bothering Windows users of Numpy for the last 3 weeks.
 
@cigien You keep count?
 
Haha, no I don't keep count of how many requests you make :) See the previous comments, in response to David's request.
 
8:55 PM
@Scratte Ah. I missed your helpful response...
 
@cigien No, that's #3,375, since that was closed as a duplicate and is in the list ;P Hmm.. I take it back. It is actually 3375 + the target.
 
@DavidBuck Cool, all those posts are from within the last month. Very localized problem.
@Scratte Aah, good catch (or not). Either way, to be honest, I don't see myself adding that info to a request, unless I write a user-script to do that.
 
@cigien I like where you're going with this. Are you getting closer to starting to use those, or are you waiting until I get to 10K? :)
 
@cigien I've been trying to close them as duplicates of the first one that had decent answers. Despite the 38 duplicates, it has had 38000 views so obviously most people can Google.
 
@Scratte I'm waiting till you get to 10K ;) Then together we can go crazy with the privileges and scripts. Undelete everything :D (hides from Dharman)
 
8:59 PM
I like that! It looks like only 1 out of 1000 people will post a Question. The 999 others will find their answers with a search.
 
I realise that by picking the question that had the best answers and helping a couple of dozen posts get closed as duplicates of it, I've driven loads of upvotes to the OP for posting an error message and the first answerer for giving a one line answer.
 
@DavidBuck Don't worry about the users :)
 
@DavidBuck No harm in that. Kind of FGITW. Are they really all dupes?
 
@cigien Yes. Even the ones that say they aren't dupes. The fact they all have the error message caused by Numpy 1.19.4 not working properly on Windows means that whatever their problem is, they need to downgrade Numpy and try again. Most of the people that say this doesn't work for them are doing it wrong...
 
@cigien I'm trying to redo my education. That will take priority. Perhaps I can up my game to one Answer per month :)
 
9:12 PM
@DavidBuck Yes, you're right. I looked at a few, and they all appear to be unneeded dupes. Ripe for mass deletion I think, but don't make a meta post about it ;)
@Scratte Of course. SO should be secondary to whatever you've got going on in life. What parts are you redoing exactly? and how come?
 
@cigien Some of them will delete on their own. I think there's no reason to consider cleaning up until the next version of Numpy is released that fixes the problem for good. Once it becomes a rare issue that the odd person blunders into rather than something that's got 38000 views in 3 weeks, the bulk of the dupes could happily go.
 
Fair enough. I wasn't really serious about the mass deletions anyway.
 
@cigien Currently redoing logic. Not going to exams or anything. There's just lots that I've forgotten and I don't like that. I'm supposed to be educated as stated on my papers, so I feel like a fraud when I can't remember all the stuff that it's suppose to represent.
 
@Scratte Nice. One of my favorite subjects actually. Good luck with that :)
 
When you are redoing logic can you make it easier? I think logic should be more logical.
 
9:25 PM
@cigien I just think they use too many words :(
@Dharman It really should. I agree. Perhaps I should go for AI next. I hear logic is a big deal there :)
Which is odd, because humans are suppose to be NI and they're hardly very logical at all.
 
@Scratte Good grief. I obviously missed the party but you've got 2000 rep! Congratulations.
 
@DavidBuck That's just teasing me, right? :)
 

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