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5:00 PM
Any chance it's plagiarized?
 
@Scratte Not from any answer on that Q&A at least.
 
@Lankymart correct me if I'm wrong but aren't like only like 20 users in VBscript?
It's obvious that you will run into the same users all the time
 
This was interesting. Did they expect this to fly?
 
@cigien I can't see it obviously, but if someone found the exact same on Stack or some other site, they may have raised a custom flag.
 
@cigien Also note that none of the other answers is "accepted" - so, maybe that one was accepted and its poster wanted to delete it. In that case, the only way would be to ask a mod to do it, as you can't delete your own answers that are accepted. cc @wim
 
5:11 PM
@AdrianMole Aah, that seems to be correct, at least based on Cecil Curry's last sentence in their comment. Nice catch.
 
@SecretAgentMan Just flag it as NAA. It'll be removed in 5 minutes.
 
wim
That was my original thought but it would show in the history if it was ever accepted: stackoverflow.com/posts/9977889/timeline
And if it wasn't accepted, OP could have just deleted it themselves
 
Some RO can eliminate this request since the OP has provided an MRE
 
@wim No. I think that the "accept" information is removed when a post is deleted. It's not on the timeline. But one can check the reputation page of the user.
 
@wim Accepts and unaccepts aren't shown in timelines, for either question or answer.
 
5:13 PM
@wim No, this is a bug actually. It was discovered in this room a couple of days ago. I'll check the transcript and link to it.
@AdrianMole Accepts are shown in the question timeline IIRC
 
Nope. Check out one of your own. Only a green tick next to the "answer posted" - but that will go when the answer is deleted.
 
wim
huh. maybe the "unaccept" event is simply the removal of the accept event??
 
@AdrianMole Right, that's what I meant. It's a bug that that info disappears when the answer is deleted.
 
There is no "accept event." The green tick is no longer displayed if it is deleted but, I remember Jon Clements telling us that the information is still there. So, if it is later undeleted, the green tick will come back.
 
5:17 PM
@cigien The information is not there in the timeline at all. Even for an open, un-deleted Question with an accepted Answer. I just checked a "normal" post.
 
@Scratte Check here - My green tick is shown in the question's timeline. But no separate event.
 
wim
Interesting, didn't know that. So the current theory is that the answer was accepted, and a person most likely the answerer themselves flagged it for deletion
 
@Scratte Do you mean undeleted specifically, or just never deleted? In the latter case it's definitely visible.
@wim Yeah, that's my bet.
 
@AdrianMole Thanks. Grrr.. darn user script removing that little tick. I guess the "PostTimelineFilters" has to go now.
 
wim
@AdrianMole I wonder what happens if asker then accepts a different answer, and then the deleted one is undeleted? two accepted answers? HTTP 500? :D
 
5:22 PM
I think that will be OK, as the information is kept/refreshed even for deleted posts. And the "accept" info is likely recorded in the question database entry, so no problem.
 
@cigien It wasn't there at all due to a user script :( Even picking "Show all" it was still hiding that little checkmark.
 
Oh, you and your userscripts. It'll be the death of you one day ;)
 
wim
why would you hide accepts with a userscript ?
 
Can someone respond to the comment addressed to me here? I can do it myself, but if someone's comfortable with unity that would be preferrable.
The wiki tag for this is not even clear about the distinction :p
 
@wim I think you'll need to ask Samuel that :) I defaults to not show all the votes lines, but.. asking it to "Show All" still doesn't show the tick :(
 
5:27 PM
@cigien Looks like "duplicate" was a better close reason for that, as indicated by the first close voter's comment. Did you get that from review?
 
No, it was a request posted here. I asked about the duplicate itself, and TylerH confirmed it's off-topic. That target has been closed in fact.
 
5:41 PM
@eyllanesc @TylerH
 
@AdrianMole Well, I winged it with one of Cody's meta answers. But if I get push back I will vote to reopen.
 
wim
@Scratte ah ok, it was accident. I thought you had some script that you wanted to hide accepts with.
 
Quoting Cody can only ever end in tears! ;-)
 
Ha :D
Haha, that's not actually Cody. I was misled by the glasses :p
 
@cigien nope, probably not; will line up for delv-pls once it's ripe
 
5:57 PM
@tripleee Ok. It wasn't a useful question, that's true. But if I remember correctly, I mentioned it because your close reason said Needs Details, and that wasn't correct.
 
maybe it would have turned out to be a programming question once they added the details; I was just being cautious
 
Fair enough. I don't remember the post exactly, but it had seemed clear to me. No big deal, I've just recently started trying to be as particular as I can with close reasons, hence all the follow ups.
 
@desertnaut this is actually a good question:"How do I keep data pre-loaded in memory in between runs" (obvious answer: keep it in a separate process.) I think a good duplicate target would be better (although the phrasing is broad, the problem statement is actually accurate.)
^^ If a Java SME would care to find a "keep separate process running" canonical.
@wim \o good to see you on SOCVR Aussie @Wim :)
 
6:13 PM
@Braiam there are about 10 - 12 that actually know what they are talking about but then there are between 20 - 50 questions being asked most of which are dups, typos or just too broad.
 
I got the ticks back on the timeline :) Yay :)
 
@Scratte How about the tocks?
 
we dont talk about the tocks, capt'n hook gets upset when they are mentioned
 
6:29 PM
@AdrianMole I changed those back to blue ;)
Is this Answer a rhetorial question?
 
@tripleee you have 0 votes left today :)
 
@bad_coder again
 
@Scratte No, looks like a clarification question to me. I flagged as NAA.
 
@cigien I got that impression too as they have been unresponsive to my comment.
 
@eyllanesc moved to /dev/null per your request
 
wim
6:50 PM
@bad_coder I'm not active here but it's still a good place to find people with a lot experience about how main site works
 
Heh.. at least no one is expecting new users to know any of that ;)
 
@wim definitely the right place for curation questions, I just took the opportunity to say hello since it's not everyday you drop in.
@Scratte care to find a good duplicate target for this one?
 
@mkrieger1 hello, please note FAQ #11 that requests should be on questions that under 6 months old. Please also post 1 separate request per line.
 
@bad_coder That's single request, and the post was posted today. The first link is to the proposed target, which shouldn't be part of the request.
 
7:05 PM
@bad_coder I think I'd need to know something about machine-learning to do that :(
 
@cigien ok, the request was somewhat confusing having 2 different stated reasons.
 
Agreed, it didn't really follow the format.
 
@cigien yeah it's confusing when you run out of CV's and can't mark the target yourself.
 
7:22 PM
@wim To be sure, you'd have to ask Bhargav, however some mods (especially him) do have a history of deleting bad answers when they see them. I've seen him doing it for a long time now, so it isn't a new occurrence.
It's perhaps an outlier that this answer was highly-scored, but otherwise nothing out of the ordinary, I think.
 
Is this R/A or Spam? Or just plain crazy off-topic?
OK - I went with spam.
 
Doubt anyone would decline a red flag on stuff like that.
 
I wanted to put both red flags on it. :)
 
7:39 PM
@AdrianMole Yeah, anyone who dares mix Java with Python deserves what they get :-P
 
hehe
 
7:58 PM
@bad_coder sorry, I missed that - I guess you are referring to some of my cv-pls requests...
 
Is it OK to say that someone's post on main is sort of just a rant?
 
On main? Do they have a ♦ after their username?
 
@AdrianMole Yes, I'm commenting on an NAA by a moderator and I intent to say "This isn't really an Answer. Nice rant though :)"
 
@Scratte: if it is not an answer, it is not an answer, rant or not
 
8:08 PM
@Scratte link? I want to watch the fireworks :-P
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter It was a nice rant ;)
 
@Scratte probably this answer. Not sure how "nice" it is though
It's not mean, but it doesn't belong on the main site.
@TylerH: see above for link
 
Yes. I have been outed :O Queen didn't bat an eye.
 
I don't see any moderators there... :-(
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter The Answer or the comment?
 
8:11 PM
Already flagged by a Molerator.
 
@Scratte the "answer"
Your comment is fine
Well sort of fine, "nice rant"?
 
OK. I wasn't confused that the Answer is NAA. I just wasn't sure if it was unkind to call someone's rant a rant.
 
@Scratte: when in doubt, leave it out. It adds nothing of use to the site.
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter They're just frustrated. They're not taking it out on anyone. So in terms of rants, it's pretty nice, I'd say.
 
@Scratte: again, I'm not criticizing the OP, other than for posting a non-answer
 
8:15 PM
:) All's good then. I'll make some coffee.
 
@Scratte: sounds like a plan. I think that there is a beer in the refrigerator that is whispering my name
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter Your real name is "psssssss"? :)
 
@Scratte Conversations with my beer are on a "need to know" basis only
 
8:37 PM
@desertnaut yes. you it was in direct reply so you can follow the links upward.
 
@bad_coder thanks - you may have a point, I am not an SME and I will not insist
 
9:37 PM
Room owner (@TylerH? @rene?) -- please remove my cv-pls request here. The question has been improved and a MCVE has been posted.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Apologies if I already asked you, but I can't remember right now. Can you please review stackoverflow.com/questions/64730223/… as a duplicate of the "What is a raw type" canonical? You could also say it's "not repro"...
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null on request
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis No, I don't see it as a duplicate. "Not repro" would be better.
 
Sounds good, thanks!
@SamuelLiew You have previously reopened this, presumably because they added an edit, but that edit does not make the issue they described reproducible. I think it should remain closed.
 
9:53 PM
poof out of del votes :(
 
And you had 30 of them...
 
@Dharman It's been a busy day!
 
10:11 PM
 
10:45 PM
@Vickel Long time ago the equivalent of those endings in English would be " 's ". So, "Ivanov", for example, was actually the same as "Ivan's" (son is implied).
 
What to do if OP realizes that code he has problems with actually works?
 
11:01 PM
Close as Not reproducible.
 
@Ruli then it is time for the cheerful fireworks ....
 
@Georgy so Mr. Steven's son Even would have been called Even Steven's :)
 
@Dharman I was just about to post the same request.
 
@Nick Would you mind if I rewrite the mysqli part in your recent answer?
 
@Dharman If you can make a significant improvement, be my guest
 
11:19 PM
@Nick Please, don't kill me
 
@Dharman also you shouldn't change people's styles, I far prefer array() to []
 
Then OP will learn to enable error reporting.
 
Is this an Answer?
 
Otherwise if it fails then they will post another question asking why is there no output
 
you don't know that they don't have error checking in an else clause which is not relevant to the question and therefore omitted.
 
11:30 PM
@Nick No, I meant automatic error checking. Manual error checking is really bad, and I am doing all I can to fight it.
 
@Dharman As long as errors are being checked, I don't see an issue. Even if you turn on automatic checking you still have to catch errors and do something with them, so whether you use a try-catch or an if-else does it really matter that much? I don't think you should attempt to force people to change their coding style.
 
@Nick Why would you catch the errors?
Catching errors for no purpose is just bad programming
Unless you can handle the errors better than PHP can just leave them alone. Besides you would not have a try-catch around every line but around the whole application.
 
Where is that Nick that hands out popcorn?
 
Because you don't want your website to crash when a user comes up with the one problem you hadn't thought of.
 
What is better, checking every mysqli function call or letting PHP tell you what are the errors automatically
A global error handler sure, but even the built-in PHP error handler is good enough. It will just display page 500
 
11:36 PM
I don't want to display a 500 to a customer. That's a good way to lose them.
 
Now that PDO also has automatic error reporting switched on by default, there is absolutely no reason to tell people to check for mysqli errors manually
That's a separate topic. We are talking about checking each mysqli function call separately
Even Stack Overflow displays 500 error page from time to time
As long as your software doesn't break too often then a simple 500 page should do the job
 
I think we need to agree that we have a philosophical difference here. I personally use PDO with automatic error reporting (that I then catch so I don't have to return a 500) but I don't think it's up to me to tell other people how they should code.
Paying customers don't want to see a 500. Ever.
 
Yes, everyone has a choice. But why would you treat PDO differently than mysqli?
The if statement only makes sense in development so pushing it into production doesn't make any sense
 
I don't. But as I said, I don't think it's up to me to tell other people how they should code.
Queries fail on production servers too.
 
If a query fails on a production server then it's a programming bug
 
11:43 PM
What if the MySQL server went down between the connect and the query? That's not a programming bug.
 
Our job on Stack Overflow is to teach the best practice. The best practice is to enable automatic error reporting instead of cluttering code with something that PHP has built-in.
If MySQL server is down then there would be other problems than just that particular query failing
 
@Nick If your query fails, what can you display that's not an error?
 
Huh?
 
Of course, you could contain the error to the specific component that failed
@Dharman regarding "I don't want to display a 500 to a customer. That's a good way to lose them."
(edited to clarify)
 
I assume you display a different error and you hide the 500 code in the background
Either, way you have to show them an error page rather than a blank white page
Any exception encountered by the software should be logged and a friendly error page displayed to the user informing them how to report it or ensuring them that everything is ok.
 
@RyanM assuming the error is non-recoverable you would display an error message of some type. The key is not to display a white screen of death or a 500 page
 
500 page is an error of some kind, though
HTTP code 500 is just a response code to the browser but you don't actually have to put the number 500 on display
 
I've got to go do some "real" work...
 

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