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12:00 AM
Wait, you've literally never voted/flagged to close a post?
 
I've flagged some.. but never voted. That requires 3000 reputation points.
 
..and there is noway I'll get there without answering more Questions. If I were Cody, then maybe. Having an average score of 7 :O
 
What do you mean by average score?
 
The average score per Answer :)
Check it out: What is my average answer score?. Mine is crawling.. :)
 
12:07 AM
1.72
 
BTW, close cycle 2 :) This time my post needs debugging details apparently, and is also opinion based. This is fascinating :D
 
3.66
 
Heh.. yes, now it'll probably also get one or two delete votes.
 
2.61
 
And 7.73 for Cody.. that's pretty impressive.
 
12:10 AM
Very :)
BTW, if a user comments on my main post, should I ask them to have the discussion on meta instead?
 
@cigien What exactly was on your mind when you asked that question? Did you ask for the explanation of Python internals or were you looking for basic for syntax in C++?
 
It was an experiment as mentioned in the meta post. Please ask these questions on the meta post itself, I don't want to discuss any details here.
 
@Scratte hey, you might get lucky and answer a question that has a 500-rep bounty or something
Oh, nice, mine is 4.66 :-)
@Scratte Cody does know a thing or two, after all. Though moderators all have inflated rep because many users associate extra authority with the diamond and blue username
 
@TylerH How would that change the average score?
 
@Scratte More viewers are inclined to upvote your posts when you have moderator styling assigned to your user card
 
12:17 AM
No.. how would answering a post with a bounty change the average score of my posts?
 
@Scratte I was addressing your "no way I'll get there" comment
Of course you will eventually get to 3k even with an average answer score of 7
 
@TylerH Yes.. unless I answer more posts. Since I'm not I'm unlike to answer one with a bounty, no?
It's not like one goes "Oops. I accidentally answered a post. That also happened to have a 500 bounty on it" :)
 
Ah I see; you're implying that you aren't planning to answer any more questions
 
I just said that I'll not get there unless I answer more posts.
I find bountied posts to be very.. messy. Perhaps it would be better to wait until the bounty period has ended.
Hmm.. 2 delete votes and no reopen votes. That does not look promosing.
 
12:26 AM
@Scratte mine is 0,999 as I'm active in a niche tag. But I'm still happy to have a bronze tag, which I share with only 124 other users. All is relative...
 
@TylerH That used to be the way it was: pending delete votes were hidden from moderators until the post was actually deleted. But that bug was fixed some time back. We can now see pending delete votes from the timeline. Also, as @AdrianMole said, we can see some information about actions taken by the flagger (but we almost never pay attention to this, except for teh lulz when someone upvotes + flags as spam).
 
@Vickel You seem to be always such a happy and positive person :)
 
@JeanneDark It has happened before, yes, and it's always quite amusing to see. But, to the best of my recollection, neither @Scratte nor @AdrianMole have done this. I was just describing a hypothetical, and I chose as the target someone whom I figured could handle the joke.
 
So that means that there's nothing wrong with upvoting while flagging spam? And it actually makes moderators smile? :)
 
@Scratte I live in Portugal, we have lots of sun, great beaches + surf, it's relatively warm climate, even in winter, great food, great wine and beer, and beautiful relaxed people around you... that helps!
 
12:30 AM
@AlonEitan I rather doubt that is a scam... It's probably just a poor, misguided person trying to ask you for programming help, since their question got closed by the evil meanies on Stack Overflow. As a moderator, you get way too many of those. But they're still better than the outright rants, and especially preferable to the death threats.
 
@Vickel Heh. I think you're just happy by nature. You know some people are always grumpy, even in the best of conditions. Some will always find whatever there is to be happy about :)
 
@Scratte well sure, that's a statistic fact, but the lower this percentage of grumpies is, the happier the people. And Portugal is not a rich country, it is rich of cool people enjoying the rich natural playground given to us.
 
Do you mean to say that happy or grumpy is contagious? :)
 
@Scratte I'd definitely say so! example: look at our cousins in Brazil...
 
@Scratte Y'all ain't seen nothin' yet. Try running that same query on my Meta account. :-)
 
12:35 AM
@Vickel That's a lot of cousins! :O
@CodyGray Meta doesn't count. Even I have silly points on meta.
 
@TylerH To be fair, I earned almost all of my rep before standing in a moderator election. And after being elected, I've posted maybe a dozen answers. But don't take this as an indication that I know anything. After all, a large part of my rep came from answering WinForms and C# questions, and I've now forgotten pretty much everything I ever knew about that.
@Scratte Nuking spammers also makes moderators smile. Lots of smiles to go around, eh?
 
@Scratte yeah, since the times when Spain and Portugal divided South America between themselves and still counting... :)
 
@CodyGray something something WinAPI
 
There is that. Also assembly and compiler code-generation.
 
@Vickel I used to live there, when I was a child. In the northern part of South America.
 
12:39 AM
Colombia?
 
Mmm, Columbian food is delicious.
 
No. One of the tiny counties at the top on the right side. They send rockets off from there :)
 
central america, then?
or do I have to open bing maps?
 
I assume @Scratte means Guyana or French Guyana.
 
No.. the top part of Sounth America. On the right. North of Brazil :) Yes, Cody knows about geography too :)
 
12:43 AM
@Scratte there are 3 canditates
could be Surinam as well
 
Only one of them sends off rockets ;)
 
Yes, only French Guyana does
 
Haha. I do know about geography. But I did not know any of them sent off rockets.
 
But I didn't stay there. My family moved to Denmark, and I've been an on/off resident here every since.
 
Who cares about rockets when you have delicious food?!
 
12:44 AM
It is the French cosmodrome there
 
@Scratte Wait... does that mean you aren't ethnically Danish?!?
 
@CodyGray That's a tricky question. I am and I'm not.. but no relatives in South America. I was born in Denmark.
 
Born in Denmark, so technically Danish, but not genetically?
 
@CodyGray Yes, also genetically.. sort of :) The Danish does not care where you are born. It's the relation you have that counts. So being born in Denmark has never made a person Danish.
 
@Scratte the "happiness" factor we talked about before truley gets reduced with each rocket which is launched, I'd say :(
 
12:46 AM
Is the "sort of" because you have earned honorary Dane status by virtue of liking rugbrød?
 
@Vickel Oh. I can tell you don't like rockets. Why?
 
@Scratte so your real name must be Scratteson
 
@Scratte Ah, jus sanguinis supra jus soli.
 
@CodyGray No. I'm Danish due to heritage :) Rugbrød is just awesome :)
 
@Vickel -sen would be the traditional Danish surname ending
 
12:49 AM
^yes sure the Norwegians are the 'son's, right?
 
^^ What's that guy doing talking about neither geography nor ethnicity?
Yeah, "-son" is more Norwegian. Also sometimes Swedish. Swedes do both.
 
@Vickel Funny thing about that. In the old days, only men had sirnames from birth. Women didn't as they took their husbands names. The sirname was always based on the father's name. So a boy named Peter with a father named Rasmus, would be names Peter Rasmussen. (son is not Danish, that's Swedish :-)
 
What's fun about Norwegians and Swedes is that they aren't necessarily patronymic, so you get things like "-sdotter".
 
I had a Swedish colleague who became very upset if her surname was spelt Johannsen - turning deep red and muttering something about not being Danish.
 
@Scratte /s/sirname/surname
Not to be confused with Suriname
 
12:51 AM
I wonder if the Russian 'ev' and 'ov' has the same origin?
 
@AdrianMole Heh! Cute!
 
@CodyGray Suriname, the one between Guyana or French Guyana. The circle closes.
 
I like closing loops.
@Scratte What I never understood about that is where does it stop. If Peter has a son, the son's name is <Whatever> Petersen?
 
Now, I think it's in Iceland where they have -dottir has a surname. That means daughter :) So they were more modern than we were :)
 
So the fact that Peter's son's grandfather is Rasmus gets totally lost?
@Scratte Norwegians and Swedes did that, too.
 
12:54 AM
And what would Magnus Magnusson's son be called? (He actually has a daughter who - incorrectly - goes by the name of Sally Magnusson.)
 
@CodyGray That was in very old time, but yes. Rasmus has a son, Peter Rasmussen, that has a son Lars Petersen.. and so it goes. But it ended a long time back, and now it's just a surname.
 
Yeah, Sweden dropped it by mandate in 1901; Norway in 1923. Not sure about the rest of y'all.
 
@AdrianMole I find that to be just funny. I mean people make mistakes. Nobody can spell my surname. I've had jobs where my name in the system was wrong for ages :)
@AdrianMole The tradition ended. There was also a time where if you were born to a bricklayer, you became a bricklayer. No choices.
 
Nah. You could also become a priest. :-)
 
@CodyGray only the first born male, right?
 
12:59 AM
Really? I though that was also a family thing.
 
But I guess a priest's son couldn't become a bricklayer?
 
I think anyone could, but I could be wrong. It varies from culture to culture, time period to time period, etc.
I know a little bit about Scandinavian society in the Middle Ages, but much beyond that, and I'm not your best resource.
 
@AdrianMole I'd probably pick bricklayer.. but I'm a bit weird :)
 
Aren't priests just laying the foundation on earth for a kingdom in heaven? :-p
So it's really all the same...
 
@CodyGray That's unfortunate, because I'm not old enough to remember :D
 
1:01 AM
You don't remember when your parents died in the Black Death?
 
@CodyGray They didn't. We went to South America to shoot off rockets..
 
Ah, right.
 
1am off for bed, bye all, /o
 
What do I do about this? I hoped for an edit or a response, but I do not think one will come. I may also be mistaken.
 
That's spam.
 
1:10 AM
How can you tell? It's not a throwaway account.
 
Judging by the username, they may know your parents.
 
@Scratte The user name is the same name on the github account.
 
2 answers with the same content
 
2 doesn't make a pattern, does it?
But if it is, it should probably go to charcoal.
Hmm.. what do I tell Natty?
 
Natty doesn't do spam. Advanced flagging will report to Smokey if you use it to flag spam.
 
1:15 AM
I guess I'm going to go with not NAA. But Natty wants to know about it.. :)
 
Natty and Smokey probably exchange data in Bot Dreamworld.
 
You know I can't just not say anything with those big puppy eyes looking at me with "Pwease.. is it NAA or not NAA?"
 
I think you're confusing Natty (tiny wee eyes) with a different puppy (big blue eyes).
 
1:29 AM
@AdrianMole A still never shows the whole picture :)
 
1:41 AM
@HovercraftFullOfEels The answer makes it seem like the question is focused enough.
 
1:59 AM
@cigien It also seems to show research effort, so I don't understand what's going on there.
 
Don't know. Maybe it's a trivial question. Anyway, it doesn't lack focus, which is the stated close reason.
 
2:20 AM
@cigien Yes, people use "Need more focus" for "Lacks effort".
And I don't even see that it does that.
 
True, and I've only recently come to realize how common that is. Going through the graveyard has been very illuminating. However, I'm not sure the question demonstrates research effort. It might be solvable with a simple internet search, I don't really know.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I'm not sure that was flaggably rude, but in any case, I edited out the questionable part
 
How does one find out when a question was protected? It doesn't seem to be displayed in the timeline.
 
Should be - do you have an example you can link?
 
@cigien it should be; example?
ninja'd
 
2:28 AM
Ninja protection.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica This one. It's already protected, but I can't tell when.
 
@cigien Oct 5 '15 at 8:58, by Samuel Liew
 
Ah, I see it now, thanks. I didn't scroll down that far. What's up with EJoshuaS's request then?
 
What to do if someone repeats a previous answer and an officially discouraged answer is posted in the same thread?
 
Users with less than 15k rep. don't see that a question is protected (unless they have less than 10 rep.).
 
2:33 AM
Yep. Only way for us mortals to tell is to check the timeline (it's mildly annoying; I consider hiding this to be somewhat of an anti-feature, at least for curators)
 
Oh, I see. EJoshuaS assumed that since the post was getting a lot of action, that it needed protection.
 
It's a relatively new (~ 1 year old) feature. Only those who either can't answer it (< 10 rep) or those who can unprotect (15k+) see the blue banner, now.
 
That's a good point. Why is that information hidden from anyone?
No worries :) It was a reasonable assumption. That post gets a lot of action.
 
Yeah, exactly - I forgot to check the timeline.
 
The argument was that those between 10 and 15,000 can't do anything about it, so what's the point of showing it. Personally, I disagree.
 
2:36 AM
I didn't realize that it was already protected. I guess a RO can bin the request, then.
 
@AdrianMole Yeah, agreed. All information should be visible to everyone by default unless there's a reason not to.
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Just ping an RO. Not that there's any hurry in this case. It's not like anyone will do the wrong thing.
 
Also, note that, if two (I think) or more low-rep. answers are posted on an active question and are subsequently deleted by not the posters, then "Community" automatically protects it.
 
@Makyen Can you bin my most recent [protect-pls] and [flag-pls] requests? The first one was in error and I'm having second thoughts about the flag-pls one.
 
@AdrianMole ohhh new things. Any link.
 
@RyanM Does one flag R/A, or vote to delete, or both in this case?
 
2:43 AM
@Shree Maybe this post? Auto-protect isn't new, I think.
 
@cigien I flagged R/A, in this case I think your delete vote would be wasted since I cannot imagine a moderator not deleting such an obvious NAA, even if they didn't find it R/A. If you don't think it's R/A, I'd suggest an NAA flag.
 
@AdrianMole I assume Shree is asking about the latest change, i.e. hiding the fact that a post is protected?
 
That one can be edited to be not R/A, but probably not worth it, as it's going down soon.
 
@Shree meta.stackexchange.com/q/89532/165261 is the completed [feature-request] for auto-protection
 
@cigien In which case I know I don't have a link. I looked for one after a chat in here some time ago.
 
2:46 AM
@RyanM Hmm, I don't feel it's R/A, since that part could be edited out. If NAA, and delete votes are wasted here, I guess I'll leave it.
 
Thanks @RyanM @AdrianMole . Some time I really confuse what's going on.
 
Confusion is the expected state on Stack Overflow. Well done! :)
 
@AdrianMole Posts on MSO and MSE are much harder to find than posts on main, at least in my experience. In fact, Cody and I chatted about this yesterday while trying to find the discussions on whether "questions should start out closed". Cody found a related one, but swears they can remember a Shog9 answer that went into it in detail, but even Cody couldn't find that one. Which made me feel a little better about my MSO/MSE searching skills ;)
 
@AdrianMole that would be this one, cc @Shree
 
@RyanM Heads up, I edited out the R/A bit, and flagged as NAA. You might want to retract your R/A flag.
 
2:55 AM
@cigien Thanks, done. Switched to NAA.
 
Switching is not really necessary, right? Since one or more NAAs are all the same.
 
True. But I have a lot of flags and I never use them all :-)
 
Ah, ok then :)
 
plus, easy helpful flags +1
 
I've been wondering about that. Members here seem to be very into their flag stats. Why is that? Is it for Samuel's brownie points, or whatever that they hand out?
 
3:00 AM
For me, I just like seeing the number go up. I do try (fairly successfully) to avoid declined flags, but I don't really care about hitting any particular "tier," especially because I consider that script's methodology to be very flawed in how it counts stats (ignores spam, R/A, and comment flags; counts disputed, retracted, and aged away the same as helpful).
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Cody has stated that there's no reason to protect a post at any time. The system will do it. Users should not do it. cc @cigien
 
@RyanM Ok, that makes sense. I like having good stats too, but ever since I found out that flag stats can be gamed by just flagging "thank you" comments all the time, I lost interest in that.
 
@Scratte And another say to check if a post is protected is to just open it up in a different browser and go to the bottom of the post. You will see this
 
I have 20 declined flags to 2665 helpful flags, for a 0.0075:1 declined:helpful ratio. Which I'm pretty happy with.
 
Is that across all types of flags?
 
3:04 AM
It is. A lot are from comment flags, though I have no idea how many were instadeletes vs. actually handled by a moderator. Full stats, if you're curious. I'd guess at least half my comment flags are actually moderator-handled. Probably more, but not sure.
 
@Scratte Oh, I didn't know that. Is there a meta somewhere on this?
 
2 messages moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
@cigien No. It was said in chat. But I trust Cody :) Here you go
 
@RyanM how did you catch so many rude/abusive and SPAM flags? By sitting on charcoal?
 
@Scratte Aah, thanks for the link.
 
3:08 AM
@bad_coder Yep, mostly. I don't use autoflagging, so those are all cast manually. A decent number (a few dozen, at least) of my post flags are also spam-related, because a good chunk of what I see in Charcoal is non-obvious spam that requires an explanation.
 
@RyanM I find counting retracted, disputed and aged away are fine. They were raised, so one put effort into them. And they were not declined, so they were not wrong to raise.
 
@RyanM ok, I was wondering...That's a lot of specific flags.
 
@RyanM I have about 20 declined flags already, out of less than 700 flags :(
 
@RyanM Nice list. I think we've raised the same amount of flags, only mine are almost only post flags.
 
@Scratte I've retracted a few flags because I decided that I was wrong to raise them. Aged away/disputed is evidence of very little, especially because it's very, very difficult for close flags to actually be declined, especially if they're cast in Triage (IIRC a unanimous result is required to decline a close flag - I don't recall if Triage can decline them at all). But also we've discussed this before, and I think we just disagree :-)
 
3:13 AM
@cigien Do you use the flagger statistics userscipt?
 
I think at any rate we can probably agree that not counting Spam / R/A doesn't make sense :-)
 
@RyanM No. Triage disputes flags. Making me work harder.. I check up on them and then post requests here. And almost all my retracted ones were due to edits from author that made me retract them, so only because I kept on eye on the post :)
 
@Scratte I haven't actually used any userscripts at all. I'm worried that I'll get sucked in by them :p
 
Yeah, I think only CV queue can decline a close flag, but it requires 3 Leave Open votes and no Close votes. It does happen, though.
 
Yes. I didn't for me. All my declined flags were by moderator.
 
3:15 AM
But if it's in Triage, then it's not in CV queue. So a decline is quite unlikely for flags cast there.
and I'm pretty sure moderators can't decline close flags...at least not directly. Maybe they can by voting in CV queue.
 
@RyanM You cannot get a flag declined from Triage. Only disputed.
Ahh.. interesting. Maybe if a moderator decides to "leave open" in the close vote queue, it'll get declined. What's the odds of that?!?.. They seem to close it all.
 
So basically, a sub-3K user could cast consistently completely wrong close flags from Triage and they would have no chance of a decline, just increasing their flag stats.
Unless, perhaps, Triage incorrectly agrees with that user and then CV queue declines it.
 
@Machavity This answer is marked as Spam/R/A. Did my edit not change that? Or is it because there were existing R/A flags that you marked helpful?
 
@cigien Most of mine were early on while I was learning to flag properly. My ratio has slowly improved over time.
 
@cigien I guess you do. You get a nice little medal on your profile from the flagger statistics one. And then you start worrying about what will happen to your accuracy if you get a declined flag and that you'll have to flag another 1000 posts to get the little green medal..
 
3:21 AM
@RyanM Ah, good to know. I've hardly had declined flags since I've been in this room actually. Being surrounded by people who know and care about this, doesn't hurt :)
@Scratte That's not an advertisement for starting then ;)
 
@RyanM Yes, I think people flag and close vote the wrong posts in there. But that's a different topic in a way. The flagger statistic is not public to anyone, so one would only be cheating oneself :)
@cigien Well.. one does get hooked by it. Since there's a goal. I know exactly how many more flags I need to get that little extra tick of 0,01% to get 99,84% accuracy.
 
Yeah, I definitely don't want that kind of pressure :p
 
@cigien The user scripts for me started with wanting to see the results of reviews on the history page. Then I think I used the Roomba forecaster. Then I wanted to be able to toggle the sidebar away on posts with long code lines, and double-beep made a script for that, which I find very handy..
 
Is there a user-script that tells you which close reason is appropriate for a post? Now that would motivate me to start using them ;)
 
Being able to colour code moderators was really nice. Things start to kind of open up when you realize that you can control the user interface that you see. I've made a lot of changes. I did not like it when the increased the line space, so I reverted that for myself. I've also made my own colour sceme for syntax highlighing of code, because the default is just not very good..
@cigien You mean is there a script that can think for you? I've tried to install the Answer script, but it seems incompatible with reality. :)
 
3:34 AM
Ah, too bad. Someone should get on that ;)
 
@cigien I just deleted it. Marks all flags helpful
 
Ah, so it just displays as "closed as R/A", and doesn't actually affect the OP?
 
They don't get a -100 unless Community deletes it
 
Oh, ok, so I needn't have bothered with the edit, since a mod would have gotten to it before community deleted it. If you had seen it before my edit, would you have deleted it as R/A?
 
@bad_coder That repeat of a previous answer makes no sense to me. I've removed it. That would be a case where you can raise a custom flag for moderator attention, pointing out that it does nothing more than repeats a previous answer, adding nothing whatsoever new to the discussion. However, I don't know what you mean about "an officially discouraged answer". What's discouraged about it? We don't moderate the correctness of answers.
 
3:41 AM
Ohhh. If mod delete is as a SPAM , they don't penalty -100 ?
 
@RyanM You no longer see a big blue banner that says the question is protected?
 
@CodyGray Nope, only on sites where I have no earned rep, and Law.SE, where I can unprotect.
 
@Shree Mods can either flag a post as spam (which automatically reaches the threshold and nukes it as spam, with the associated penalty), or just delete the post (which doesn't apply the spam penalties).
 
@Shree Mod deletion is just like 20k in that regard. Mod flags are binding so if a mod flags it R/A they get the -100. There's no other way for that penalty to be applied
 
@RyanM That's odd. And new. So they only show it to users who would be affected by it and moderators, I suppose.
Oh, oops. Didn't mean to jump in on top of @Machavity's existing conversation. Still trying to read the transcript since I left for dinner.
 
3:43 AM
@RyanM what's written where the answer box would be?
 
Ohhhh. Thanks.
 
@JohnDvorak oh, I'm realizing that what I said is not actually true...because I do see it on sites where I don't have 10 earned rep. Edited my message to correct that.
 
@JohnDvorak Only if one has less than 10 earned reputation points :)
 
oh. Huh.
 
@AdrianMole That's not in any way new. That's been happening for years.
It is so effective that being able to manually protect posts is almost entirely useless.
 
3:45 AM
@CodyGray yep, added at the end of last year
 
About the only time you'd want to manually protect is if you caught something being Reddited before it got any traction.
@RyanM Was relieved to see that I hadn't commented there, but would not have been at all surprised if I had...
 
With so many people using irregardless, I feel an urge to upvote a post that uses regardless.
 
@Scratte are you doing so irregardless of the quality of the post? hides
 
When I find RyanM, I'll pull that ir out! :)
 
3:50 AM
@Scratte Nope, if a mod votes "Leave Open", it just marks the flag as disputed. I've done that once or twice. It's actually a good question, though, whether it's even possible for a mod to decline a close flag. I don't know the answer. I suspect it is possible, but probably requires a userscript.
@RyanM If the question is old, it could have received an answer disconnected from the Redditing.
 
True. Fair point.
 
@Scratte Urrgghh!! Please edit that!
 
@CodyGray Oh. So one moderator and two other users are required. That's nice :)
 
Where did you get that two other users are required?
Oh... yeah, I see. Mod "Leave Open" votes are binding.
 
Undisregardlessness?
 
3:52 AM
@CodyGray Because one can get a declined flag from the Close vote queue if everyone picks "Leave open"
 
@Scratte Nobody tell Scratte that it's possible to write a userscript that just awards CSS-based medals. They have no real meaning.
 
@CodyGray Nothing have any real meaning.. everyone dies at the end :)
 
Do mods use Sam's script/medal-system to help them assess flags?
 
Sam might.
Not entirely sure if even he does. I certainly don't, and I don't know any other mods who do.
I did install it once, when I basically installed all of Sam's scripts. I contributed a patch that made the medal look more like an actual medal.
But I immediately turned it off because it's stupid.
 
@AdrianMole Some of Sam's ecosystem has been rolled into the official interface. But the stuff he uses to automate that... I don't use it
 
3:56 AM
I guess the flagger's history shouldn't really count when assessing/evaluating the flag.
 
@CodyGray No.. it looks less like a medal and more like a flag now. I didn't like your line break, so I removed that.
 
The system automatically weights flags to some extent based on the accuracy of the flagger. But that's really just to prioritize, the same way that it weights posts more heavily that have multiple pending flags.
@Scratte Oh, okay. I didn't remember. I changed something.
I like whitespace.
But not Whitespace.
 
Well, the line break made it harder to find what I want to see from it. If it had been 4 lines, it had been fine, but you just made it two lines where the first text is very short and the other is very long, so I though it just made it look silly.
Wait.. what?!? "The system automatically weights flags to some extent based on the accuracy of the flagger"? :D :D So.. I'm making myself a higher priority by this silly flag stats hunting?
 
Are you talking about the tooltip?
The system weights very differently than Sam's script, so... likely no.
 
@CodyGray Yes.. that one that says "horrible flagger: 110 flags, 22 declined (accuracy 75,80%)"
 
4:12 AM
@CodyGray thanks, I honestly didn't know about the possibility of raising a custom mod flag for erasing repeated answers that don't add anything. ( The second case "an officially discouraged answer" is a quote from the official documentation. I had posted a comment but deleted it. What I'll do in such cases is edit the question with a link to the warning in the official docs.) Thanks again, good curation!!
 
@bad_coder Erm... No, please don't edit the question to invalidate the answers. If you want to warn people that the advice suggested in an answer is discouraged by the documentation, leaving a comment is the correct course of action.
 
@CodyGray no, no! I mean edit the answer to include a link to official docs. (OK, a comment is also fine. My initial thought was exactly that.)
 
Well, OK, but you still gotta be careful with that. Don't edit in something that violates the author's intent.
Like, don't put a big banner on top of the answer: "WARNING: This answer sucks. Don't do it."
Just use a comment for that.
And possibly a downvote.
 
@CodyGray Yes, better be careful and gently leave a note in the comments.
 
I have done that before.. and found my comment removed :D I think the author flagged it.. no idea why someone would go ahead and remove it though.
 
4:19 AM
Sometimes, moderators remove comments for no good reason...
 
I didn't feel like raising a flag to protest the removal of my comment. I'll just let users find out when they use the code in the post.. Lets hope they test it before putting it in their production environment.
 
@Scratte I'm aware but it will in general still be the safest option, unless I know the poster isn't the kind of guy to take offense, in which case he might edit in the comment himself.
 
@Scratte Yeah, raising such a flag doesn't really work out terribly well in general.
 
I find that some users appreciate the warning. If I know that something is discouraged, I'll say that if I use it.
 
Why was my spam flag declined on this? Is it because the OP is offering their services, rather than looking to hire someone?
 
4:29 AM
@Scratte Absolutely agreed, that's why I clarified what I was referring to when I said that it "doesn't really work out terribly well in general". I'm a big fan of leaving comments pointing out flaws in solutions. When I use SO to find answers to my problems, I always read the comments on answers, looking for any caveats.
@cigien Unclear.
I would have validated that spam flag.
In fact...
 
@Scratte just a side note, mods in general are very conscientious about not deleting relevant technical comments. The few mistakes I've made in that sense resulted in a declined flag, and rightly so. (It's possible an SME reviewed your comment flag and made a different technical judgement.)
 
@bad_coder Hah!
For that sentence to be accurate, you'd need to add a lot more qualifiers.
Like, "Cody the mod"
@cigien I've changed the status of your spam flag to "disputed". While an unwanted and clearly spam-flaggable question, I don't think it's reasonable to apply the implied spam penalty to that account.
 
@CodyGray You want all the credit for yourself :D I'm guessing there are other mods out there sharing your views ;)
 
There probably are, I just don't want to call them out by name without their permission. But I can also say that there are definitely other mods who do not share my opinion on this, and delete comments indiscriminately, almost simply because they got flagged.
 
@CodyGray Ok, that's reasonable, it looks like a misguided OP, more than malice. I just wanted to know if I made a mistake by flagging. Thanks for the clarification.
 
4:34 AM
@CodyGray I couldn't comment :) but you've mentioned it before and I take your word for it.
 
@cigien No, it was a good flag. Job offers and stuff like that is technically spam flaggable. But we might dispute it if we think the penalty is inappropriate in a specific case. I don't know why the mod who handled it happened to decline your flag. I think that was a mistake, personally.
 
No worries, happens to everyone.
 
@bad_coder No.. you just had your flag declined by the one moderator that doesn't delete every comment ;)
 
^^ Yup.
Or, one of the 2 to 3 who don't.
I'm not the only one, thankfully.
 
Maybe I'll post that as a Question for the next election..
Does anyone know what this google-chrome-extension Answer is about?
 
4:41 AM
I have no idea. It's either NAA, rude, or spam. I couldn't tell which, so I just deleted it.
 
I noticed :) It just went puff.. :)
 
@cigien I'm starting to think that my bold opinions are rubbing off on you. This is good. :-)
 
Back to focusing on this problem I'm solving.
@Scratte Perhaps you should go to bed earlier today (me too btw...)
 
@bad_coder Yes, I should.. but then Natty is so lonely now..
 
@Scratte don't worry, doggies guard the premises while you sleep.
 
4:48 AM
First I'll place a bet on my desk on whether it get's deleted or reopened :)
 
Not programming; too broad
Q: Which CPUs can run a camera without overheating? A: Literally any of them.
 
@CodyGray Not that one.. the post in the meta post :)
 
good thing really, 3 curators had rep riding on that one.
 
@CodyGray It's fascinating really. I was definitely of the view that such questions didn't have value, until about a week or two ago. Then, I figured I'd go with the actual reasons as listed, and see where that led if taken to its logical conclusion. This experiment is really interesting. It's very clear that people are relying on feelings to close-vote, and will even admit to it, unashamedly. Even proudly :(
That post has had every possible close reason suggested as a reason, except for General Computing, and Server Fault. There are clearly systemic issues with how close votes are used. It's interesting to see how divided the community is too, even about the value of the post itself. fwiw, the meta post is currently at +23/-18 which can't be too common.
 
@CodyGray LOL I hadn't thought about that :)
 
4:51 AM
@cigien Yup. That is also what I have a problem with. I've never tried to argue with people over crap questions, and I don't question people when they say that they find a question genuinely unclear or lacking information. That's got some natural subjectivity to it. What I find distressing, and what I will argue about, is when people try to couch their dislike of a question in terms of some official/objective close reason, like "needs more focus" or, worse, "resource recommendation".
This closure floored me last night.
@cigien That kind of score split is quite common on Meta posts, actually. :-)
 
@CodyGray Oh, ok. I thought this was different.
 
The real divide here is between folks who think that Stack Overflow shouldn't be answering questions that are "too easy", as if we're somehow teachers who might be undermining a student's education if we give out the answers too freely.
Objections start getting raised on stuff like "research effort", or how Googleable it is. Those are valid objections to a question, and valid reason to downvote, but they're not close reasons.
 
I've noticed a lot of utterly perplexing close votes for resource recommendations in the queue lately...I wish I knew who was casting them so that I could tell if it's a pattern and maybe do something about it.
 
I've been a teacher. It's not that I don't get the concerns. It's simply that that isn't our role, and it cannot be, simply because Q&A sites' entire purpose is to give people the answers.
 
The most common mistake there is that people think asking for the right method to call in a web API is a resource recommendation request. But some aren't even that clear.
 
4:55 AM
@CodyGray I can't tell from the rev history. What were the close reasons for the initial closure? Based on the question, my guess is Needs Details? Or maybe Needs Focus.
 
@RyanM Yeah... Apparently that means, "I think this question can be easily Googled, and so by asking this question you are requesting that someone else Google it for you and recommend you the answer as a resource."
@cigien Literally the off-site resource request reason. All 3 of the close voters used that one.
 
@CodyGray Oh wow, that's not appropriate.
 
All 3?! Bizarre...
 
Yup. See "floored", population: me.
 
@CodyGray In this case, there's an even worse example. There's a claim that my answer is a matter of taste, and hence opinion based. Fine. Then in the same breath, the claim is that the question is opinion based. It seems quite clear that a close-reason is being retrofitted to a feeling that the question should be closed.
 
4:59 AM
@cigien Your answer, the one that says, "There are two possible solutions to this" and then lays them out? What is opinion-based about that?
 
@RyanM Hopefully I haven't been making any mistakes that way (web API calls Cody mentioned is a subtle distinction). Can you give me 1 or 2 meaningful examples please?
 

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