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12:00 AM
@Joshua Well, that makes it fairly clear you don't think it's a duplicate. :)
 
12:52 AM
If anyone knows anything about nginx and can make out which bits of this wall of text are actually relevant to the question, please feel free to edit it. I'm too tired for this one stackoverflow.com/a/64635866
 
 
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1:55 AM
What is "Luncheon meat detected" supposed to mean :>
 
@Spectric spam
 
@Spectric: spam
I asked that same question when I first saw that phrase
 
Very strangely, the NATO on the cv-pls I've just posted is the OP reposting part of the question as a self answer, 6 years later..
 
@Spectric wasn’t obvious to me because I guess don’t think of Spam (the product) as “luncheon meat”
more like “canned meat” would make the reference more clear … because I don’t think there’s anything about Spam that makes it specifically a luncheon item rather than also dinner item
 
Ah, I know SPAM
Makes so much sense now
Thanks guys
I've just tested out the new chat mobile version, and it's not too shabby
 
 
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5:57 AM
^ question is a spam seed, both should be flagged (SD has the question reported already)
 
both are eligible for del-pls
 
6:14 AM
Out of curiosity, does it make a difference if a post is deleted by users or by weight of spam flags?
 
6:26 AM
@Nick the latter feeds to SpamRam and applies a -100 rep penalty to the poster
 
@RyanM So I guess it depends on how egregious we feel the spam is as to whether to vote to delete or just let the flags take care of it
 
Well...I don't have delete votes on SO, so for me it's between a spam flag and a custom flag
in my experience, most of the posts I custom flag for spam are deleted by moderators without using a spam flag
 
@RyanM that's a good approach too...
 
but also some of the stuff I custom flag would result in dropping a large number of spam flags onto a single user, which moderators tend to be reluctant to do (quite reasonably)
Usually I'll custom flag posts from people with legit contributions
 
that makes sense. The last SD report definitely didn't come under that umbrella...
 
@Makyen This one escaped the binning :)
Speaking of that, I never understood nor received an invite to Graveyard as mentioned here. Is it something removed?
 
Strange, I'm invited to graveyards all the time ;)
 
@Spectric Please use the format defined in the FAQ for requests. Specifically, this is missing a [tag:cv-pls].
@Vega Thanks.
 
yw :)
@JeanneDark I am trying to smile... :D
 
7:17 AM
@Vega Sorry for the delay in responding. I broke something which I needed to fix first.
@Vega It's possible that you're only invited to the Graveyard once, so you may not remember it. The invitation is only repeated when you "clear" the invitation. I'm seeing if I can double-check the conditions which clear the invitation. I know it gets cleared if you actually enter that room, but that should require that you be able to write to the room, which nobody other than ROs, and moderators should be able to do at this time.
 
@Makyen Thank you vey much for taking the time :)
@Makyen Does this mean there is an invite I don't see and is pending or I cleared it once and now I don't receive anymore? Sorry for the slow comprehension
 
7:40 AM
@Vega You're invited to a room any time a message of yours is moved to that room, unless you've already been invited to the room and have not cleared the prior invitation. One way to clear the invitation is to enter the room to which you've been invited. However, IIRC, clearing it by entering the room requires that you are able to post messages (i.e. "write") to the room, so the invitation doesn't normally get cleared for non-ROs. Thus, non-ROs not getting multiple invitations.
For RO's this means that if you enter the Graveyard, you get a new invitation the next time something is moved. This is a very noticeable difference when one becomes an RO.
 
@Makyen Aaah, understood, thank you :)
 
np
 
"i am new bee"
 
There are 991 questions from the new bees :o
 
7:52 AM
The Queen Bee is in SOCVR
 
it's actually quite cool to see the transformation from a new bee to an adult worker.
 
8:40 AM
What is this? It looks like NAA but I wonder if it's maybe even spam. It's just a generic unregistered account so can't check affiliation. It looks somewhat clickbaity.
 
@JeanneDark ^ yup
 
Thanks!
 
 
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9:45 AM
Is this answer NAA? It kinds of answers the (off-topic) question but it has even fewer details than that comment. I always have a hard time judging such posts on problematic questions (like link-only when question just asks for links).
 
So frustrating... Why?
 
@Lankymart My interpretation of "Why" is because you left a comment instead of downvoting and moving on. :)
 
10:11 AM
@E_net4iscleaningup try to give people benefit of the doubt, but I'll learn.
 
@JeanneDark I wouldn't flag it. It's basically answering the Question, as you noted :) But in review, I'd Skip it. There's no "right" action there as it's opinion. I speculate that someone will say you should have flagged it and suspend you if you don't, someone else will say the opposite.
 
@Scratte Thanks! That's also what I thought. Right action may be downvoting, but I will skip.
Has just been deleted
 
@JeanneDark Not just the Answer.. the thread was deleted :) So the problem is in fact he Question :)
 
That's always the trickiest case
 
10:30 AM
@Lankymart Can 20k+ delete that answer?
 
@Dharman I guess we could, but I don't think that's the right course of action here
just wait until the question is old enough to delv-pls
 
the answer is a duplicate
 
@Dharman yes I know
if it's a clear copy/paste from a different question then maybe
still I see no urgent need to twist the rules; the question will be eligible for delv in two days
 
11:19 AM
 
"bro I try my best to find any salutation but im failed"
 
Try this: Tanks in Avelange :)
 
11:34 AM
🚽
 
So.. a brainstorm is really just: Thoughts In Avelanges..
 
🚽
 
Are you in your "happy place"?
 
 
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12:59 PM
I just saw somebody edit "Plz give me fast. My exam is ranging" into "System of ODE pls halp with hw" :facepaw:
 
Morning
 
If I want to say "It has been recording at 2 Hz intervals", how do I do that in proper English? An interval should be in seconds, not Hz, right? "At 2 Hz rate"? "With 0.5 s intervals"?
 
multiple NAA on this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/64607297/…
 
Rob
I'd go with something like "It makes a measurement every 0.5 seconds", or "twice a second", depending on how precise you intend to be
 
1:12 PM
^ that
 
@Rob I like "It makes a measurement every 0.5 seconds", the other not so much. Is it possible to use Hz though? That's what we normally characterise instruments with. "It's measurement rate is 2 Hz"? Oh, and it should be precise, as it's for an academic article
 
@tripleee agree, it would have roomba'd anyway in 30 days if it hadn't been answered but the waiting for the delv-pls isn't a big issue.
 
Rob
@Adriaan That sounds fine to me, at least grammatically. I haven't personally heard anyone use hertz outside of describing waves/clock cycles/refresh rates. But... I'm not really in electrical engineering :)
 
@tripleee Since the multiple NAAs are all from the OP, what's the right way to address that? A custom flag on the question?
 
@Rob hehe, me neither. I'm just a lowly geophysicist who works with the data. No instrument building for me. Thanks a bunch!
 
1:18 PM
@cigien Custom flag would be easiest. But they're all gone now
 
@tripleee Hmm, OP just deleted all their answers. So your comment worked :)
@Machavity Ok, will do. Thanks.
@Machavity Oh, I see, you deleted them :)
 
1:42 PM
I'm having a little difficult with this post. The OP keeps rolling back to worse versions. I already rolled back, and left a comment, but that hasn't worked. I don't want to upset the OP by rolling back again. How should I approach this?
 
@cigien If you feel strongly enough about it, mod flag. If not, just walk away.
 
@NathanOliver It's not a great question, but with the output version it's not terrible either. I'll probably just walk away, thanks. If I were to mod flag, I'd basically give the above reason, right?
 
@cigien I think they're just confused as to what to include and why.
@MrUpsidown Is that an official close reason?
 
@Scratte Yeah, I think so. They're very clearly putting in a good faith effort to add the output image to the question, but possibly haven't realized they don't have enough rep to add images. :(
 
@MrUpsidown Then you can just say that "No MCVE", no?
@cigien I posted a comment. Maybe it will work..
 
1:54 PM
 
:50834276 For a cv-pls request, or any other request, it's better to just focus on the merits of that particular post. If you feel that the OP is exhibiting some problematic pattern of posting, then mod flag it again, and this time try to be even more precise about exactly what you think the issue is.
 
Yes, right
don't educate users
 
@MrUpsidown SOCVR's most important rule is to moderate only posts, not users. We also ask you stick to standard close reasons
 
@Scratte I think it might have, thanks for that :) Some kind soul has edited the post into shape, and OP hasn't rolled back yet.
 
@cigien I'm a bit cautious with my optimism. It seem they edited in the image again, which makes it "Needs debugging details".
 
2:05 PM
@Scratte No, the code is there as text. There's also an image of it, but that's just superfluous.
 
But.. a debugging Questions needs more than code, no? An input, and output, and the expected output too.. all in text :)
 
@Scratte True. I'm personally ok with screenshots of the output terminal in cases like this; often OP doesn't know which parts of the output are relevant, and may miss out relevant info when they paste it as text. Anyway, Machavity seems to have spotted something, and are handling it :)
 
@cigien I see. I could also easily see the error and what the problem might be. But.. screen readers cannot fetch the text from the image. And images takes more time to download on mobile devices.. and may be blocked by some firewalls. There are a lot more reasons in Why not upload images of code/errors when asking a question? :)
 
@Scratte Ah, I see, I keep forgetting the problems with images, thanks for reminding me :) Maybe if they posted both the image, and the text version of the output, that would be ok? Then all the necessary info is there without the images, but those who can see images can verify there's no discrepancy between the image and text.
 
@cigien Yes, that is done in some cases. I don't think there's a problem with it. Personally I find the image to be distracting fluff, but I don't flag a Question for closure just because it's there :)
 
2:20 PM
@Scratte Yes, that seems reasonable. Thanks for the help.
 
You're welcome :)
 
2:36 PM
@JeanneDark why should it be deleted? Please remember to put the reason it should be deleted in your request, not just why it won't auto-delete.
 
@TylerH Sorry for that. I was now unsure whether I should add details like score and answer score or not
 
@cigien Dangit, you removed the C++ tag on me 30 seconds before I could hammer :p
 
requests don't need post score details included, but a reason why it should be deleted
@NathanOliver You can add it back and still hammer :-)
 
Also, for some reason I can't edit the dupe targets. I though any gold tag badge holder could do that. Did that change?
 
@NathanOliver Oops :) No worries, obvious C or C++ dupes like that get closed in seconds anyway :)
 
2:39 PM
No roomba is a pretty good reason for something to be deleted, but that means you evaluated the question and you found that it does deserve deletion despite automatic system not being able to do it. Generally the close reason is also the reason for the deletion, but there could be a valuable answer or an edit after closure that invalidates the close reason.
 
@Dharman No roomba is by definition a reason not to delete it; it's the system saying "this doesn't pass our metrics for automatic deletion". What follows is an implicit "Therefore it needs a separate/further reason"
 
@TylerH I've been meaning to ask about this. I sometimes come across C questions that I know are dupes. I'm not comfortable with adding C++ tag just so I can use my hammer. Is there some criteria I can use for judging when, or if ever, that's ok to do?
 
@NathanOliver I believe you have to have a gold badge tag on the question still to do that
Let me try to find the details of that post Mach made on Meta
 
@NathanOliver I do not think there's a check when editing the list if you added the tag. The check is only there for closure. But the author may be confused if you add in a tag, edit the list, and remove the tag again.
 
I meant it's a reason for 10k-ers to delete it. If a question is closed as a typo and OP accepts the answer then the reason is "Typo (no roomba: accepted answer)"
 
2:42 PM
@NathanOliver Yeah, the question has to have a tag you have a gold badge in
 
Aha, yes, I need to add the tag, change, then remove the tag
 
But if the question already had C++ and someone else removed it, you adding it back doesn't count as "you added this tag", since it was there before
 
@TylerH But it was incorrectly added by the OP.
 
All good now.
 
@cigien Doesn't matter, so long as you aren't the one adding it for the first time, you can add it and then get dupe-editing privileges if you have a gold badge in it
Now if it doesn't belong, then sure, remove it again after you're done (as Nathan has done here)
The bug we found a few months ago was that for questions already closed as dupes, I could add a totally unrelated tag that I have a gold badge in, which would grant me dupe-editing privileges. This was true even though I was the first one to add that gold badge.
We tested on this question
 
2:48 PM
@TylerH Yes, I suppose if this only works for question already closed as dupes, there's not much potential for abuse.
 
3:00 PM
Is this question on-topic?
 
@JeanneDark It needs details/clarity anyway.
 
I agree
In Triage everyone else thought that question was fine
 
@JeanneDark That's weird. Frankly, I've never understood Triage. Machavity convinced me to give it a shot again, so I'm going to do that.
@DalijaPrasnikar Sorry, I don't understand the close reason. What does "new answer" mean?
 
3:16 PM
It means it is old question, but it has new answer posted
 
@cigien Added when question would normally be too old for a cv-request here (also NATO = new answer to old question). In this case, the question is 4 months old so is fine anyway. New activity makes them eligible for such requests again. (else no question older than 6 months)
 
"I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because ... - Machavity♦" - Why do moderator close comments say "voting to", when it's single handed, they don't really vote to close, they just close
 
Because...
 
@JeanneDark Ah, I see, thanks. Seems like many regulars are not aware of the latest 6 month time-line rules. Makyen is slacking off again ;)
 
Speaking of Triage: I thought this question was closeable a typo (the class name is Photos and they try to import class Photo). Everyone else thought it was fine and my request here a while back was also ignored. Am I missing something and the question is fine?
 
3:21 PM
@cigien latest or not... I could never remember how much is allowed anyway...
 
@DalijaPrasnikar No worries, nothing wrong with that info in a request, even if unnecessary. I'd just never seen that before (or known that that's what NATO meant), so I asked :)
@JeanneDark I don't think so. Looks very much like a typo to me. Everyone thought that was fine? You're scaring me from trying Triage again :p
 
@cigien Not everyone. One other reviewer also flagged, then three times "Looks ok"
 
@JeanneDark Very strange. Maybe it's a php thing that I'm unaware of, but I'm comfortable voting to close as typo. Also, I might be misunderstanding what "Looks ok" means in Triage, but that doesn't look ok to me :p
 
@cigien That the post is fine as it is and doesn't need to go into one of the review queues
 
3:32 PM
@JeanneDark Hmm, I'm not sure at all now. I'll read the Triage guidelines/rules more thoroughly, and get back to you if I understand them reasonably well enough.
 
@cigien The Triage FAQ
 
@NathanOliver Nah, just close vote, it would be deleted in 9 days
I don't feel the need to delete it "now"
 
Pretty much my thoughts
get out of my head ;)
 
There's a pool table in here, so no...
 
3:57 PM
@Nick Maybe the auto text should be "I'm closing this question because ..." instead, when a mod chooses that option :)
 
@JeanneDark I've posted some requests here too, that I saw as obviously not OK, that never got a vote here.
They'll be removed after about 4 days, and I usually retract my vote then..
 
@MarcoBonelli It is a typo, but it's not an obvious mistake. Perhaps better to close as dupe of this.
 
@cigien damn I kind of hate how the accepted answer there is not helpful at all, even though it actually is very valid
 
@Scratte In these cases I don't know if maybe the question is okay after all
 
Three different people posting an answer on a typo question is also depressing...
 
4:08 PM
@MarcoBonelli True. Though the top-voted answer (with many more votes than the accepted one) is very nice. There's a meta post suggesting that the top-voted answer be at the top, instead of the accepted answer, and I'm inclined to agree.
 
@MarcoBonelli They get the most answers
 
@JeanneDark Usually if it's OK, someone will mention it :)
 
Maybe they then are not okay but also not so harmful, urgent
 
@leonheess I voted and edited out some noise quickly pre-closure before I noticed, but the last activity on this question before that was 7 months ago. I'll let this one stay, but do note that we have a limit of recent activity within the last 6 months for cv-pls requests.
 
@JeanneDark Or it takes too long to read it, or no one is an expert. I usually expect the first :)
 
4:12 PM
@MarcoBonelli Agreed, but only when high rep users do that. I completely understand low rep users having different priorities; I used to do that myself, until other users pointed out the issues with that.
 
@cigien How do you know they didn't get all their reputation by doing that? ;P
 
@Scratte I don't, I just don't like assuming the worst of people unless the evidence is overwhelming :)
 
@TylerH I didn't know that - thanks for the heads-up (:
 
This question was edited to show a code attempt. It still needs a few more details, but it's mostly ok. Is it worth undeleting?
 
@cigien No
Who is going to find "Please write this on java codes" a useful question. It's just a plead for free software.
This is not a suitable question for Stack Overflow.
 
4:21 PM
Can we vote to migrate ... to Reddit?
 
@Dharman Indeed, the title, and the question needs some editing. But it was a plea for code. Now the code attempt has been added.
 
I still don't find it useful. Let OP rethink their contribution and if they decide they can make something good out of it they can ask a new question.
 
@AdrianMole god I wish
or Quora
 
I need beer! I've just been asked by a journal to review a manuscript about a new piece of software. They sent me the manuscript (which describes what the software does and includes a 'case study' example) but they didn't send me the ... uh .. software!
 
@Dharman Why a new one? What if they edit it more?
 
4:24 PM
integration to those sites would actually be a killer feature
Ugh, I need more votes in a day
 
@Scratte This question needs so much work that by the end of it they would end up with a new question. Given that this is closed and deleted by users asking a brand new question would be a better option.
 
@TylerH "Majesty" is a sufficient form of address ... you don't need to deify me!
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@Dharman I can't see it. I expected it to be a new user trying to fix their deleted Questions. Some of them are told to do so on meta.
 
@Dharman I understand that POV. On the other hand, if you see the comments, the OP has mostly addressed those points in the edit, and there's no way to communicate to them that a little more work is needed. I fear this gives them the idea that their responding to feedback is ignored, and that will put them off participating.
@Scratte Yes, that's exactly what's happening here IMO. Seems like we should give them a chance when they actually take the effort to respond to the feedback, and make the suggested improvements.
 
@cigien That is a good outcome. They should not contribute such questions. They need to study [help] and maybe read some other exemplary questions to understand what makes a good post on this site. Until they do that we don't want their low-quality posts. Undeleting it would send a signal that with a small edit they can get what they wanted. We don't want to send such signals. They have to work for it.
Also, they have not addressed the issues from comments. They have made no improvements to the questions whatsoever besides adding the code.
There is no question there, there is no content, it's just an abuse of SO's resources.
They have been given a link to How to Ask, so if they want to improve their question asking skills they have all they need. They don't need any of us to hold their hand and show them around this site.
@Scratte It's a -8 score question asked an hour ago and immediately closed and deleted. The contents I have quoted here chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50835842#50835842
 
4:36 PM
@Dharman Ah, you are completely serious about your "delete everything" philosophy. I wasn't sure before, but I think it's clear to me now. Thanks for clarifying that. Perhaps I haven't been around in SOCVR long enough to feel as strongly about that. Maybe I'm being naive, but I currently feel that a little bit of hand-holding can't hurt. It is the OP's first post, and I feel like they could benefit from another chance.
@Dharman Anyway, I think I shall vote to undelete, and if the post gets undeleted, I'll vote to close it again, and explain to the OP what additional improvements they need to make. Is that a reasonable approach to take?
 
Hopefully, the system didn't immediately question-ban them, so they can still get a second chance. Unfortunately, this question is such a low-quality that it can't be undeleted. It was deleted by 3 users because it is beyond repair. We did them a favour by removing it quickly. -8 is a generous score. My philosophy is to keep only the useful content. We are not a help desk or a tutoring site.
Let me say that if this post gets undeleted in the current state I will mod-flag it as abuse.
By undeleting it you will probably cause even more harm to the OP. They will get more downvotes and probably a permanent question-ban
 
@AdrianMole hehe
 
@Dharman Oh, I didn't realize that. And I certainly don't want that.
@Dharman Can you clarify what you mean by "abuse"? Do you mean an R/A flag? I fail to see how this post qualifies.
 
This post should not be undeleted. Maybe abuse is a wrong word, but if a mod deletes it then normal users can't undelete it I believe.
Same as in a roll back war. When people roll back good actions, then a mod can step in and lock it.
 
@cigien It's 50/50 really. Sometimes is the other way around.
@cigien I mean, 18k and 29k you would guess that they know how the site works by now... lol
 
4:46 PM
@Dharman Ah, I see what you mean. Flagging for a mod to prevent it being undeleted again. Ok, fair enough, you should do that if you think that's the right thing.
@MarcoBonelli I'd rather not discuss specific users, but yes, with rep with high, one would hope that they would not answer typo questions. Maybe no one ever thought to bring it up with them? IIRC, the first time anyone mentioned it to me was when I had 25K.
 
@cigien idk really, I sort of learned it by myself but I don't recall exactly how.
 
@MarcoBonelli My guess is someone slipped the knife in without you realizing it ;) Best way to teach someone, I've found :)
 
@Dharman I see. Perhaps they don't even know it's deleted.
 
@MarcoBonelli nope
 
4:59 PM
@Yatin oh god... I even have a downvote there which means I saw it when it was posted. Meh.
 
I heard about this, but I've never actually seen it :)
 
@MarcoBonelli Same, I was there too. Unbelievable mess by someone you would expect would know better
 
Anyway I think that's enough chit chat as we shouldn't really discuss users here.
 
I forgot about that question. Thanks for reminding. :D
 
5:34 PM
^ interesting answer
 
5:50 PM
@Yatin You don't need to flag a post NAA more than once. It's not like a red flag where a post is removed with 6 flags. Any number of NAAs just sends a post to the Low Quality Posts / moderator queue. So unless you can't flag it yourself, the request doesn't make sense :)
 
@Scratte I was a little confused with this answer... it kinda comes under the category of "apoefnaewijov" kinda answerers... But it doesn't seem "rude"/"offensive"
 
@Yatin Heh.. ok. But it's still just NAA, no? :)
 
hm... true.. @rene please trash this request
 
This self-answer looks like NAA to me. I'm out of flags for today.
 
5:57 PM
@JeanneDark True. Flagged :)
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I hesitated too, but went with delete vote by lack of evidence
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica lol
 
6:13 PM
Q: How do I get more beer into my glass? A: Take the bottom out!
 
Make a car faster by removing tyres and wheels?
 
@JeanneDark no, no, no, by removing the breaks !
 
Would you CV this? If so which reason?
 
You don't need to remove anything to make a car faster. Just install the "Don't Panic" dashboard.
 
6:21 PM
^^ I had a deja-vu reading the comments, before realizing it was me commenting...
 
lol
 
@MarcoBonelli Unfortunately, I'm not really sure there is a close reason. Closest might be the "this one was resolved in a way less likely to help future readers." part of typo / no repro. Back in the old days there seems to have been a "not constructive" close reason.
 
@MarcoBonelli If you really want to close it, you can argue that it's not a programming problem, it's a math problem. You can then use a custom reason. But.. how to increment a variable is a programming problem.
 
@JeanneDark yeah I think I will go with typo / no repro
 
@MarcoBonelli Ha, there's a dupe in python. Can't find a C one though.
 
6:24 PM
@Scratte hmmm also a valid reason but requires more work :')
 
@cigien 9 answers... I wished I hadn't clicked those links
 
@cigien "Asked 6 years, 7 months ago Active 1 year, 8 months ago Viewed 34k times" - wow, just... wow.
I guess that actually was useful to somebody.. :O
 
@MarcoBonelli You should see some of the C and C++ questions I've come across :p POB, typo, too broad, etc. with crazy numbers of views, and answers, and lots of up-votes on everything :( What is acceptable on SO appears to have changed drastically.
@JeanneDark Sorry :) And no recent activity so nothing to be done :(
 
@MarcoBonelli Yes. They are. Because those are the things one starts with when learning a new language. I think every language tag has at least one.
 
@cigien I could argue that it makes sense to allow some off-topic content that is e.g. a really common mistake and therefore useful to most. I came across some posts like that.
 
6:29 PM
And usually before one gets good at working out how to solve the problem oneself.. so obviously the internet is the place to search for it :)
I'd like to stress that just because a Question is basic does not mean it's not OK to ask it on Stack Overflow.
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@MarcoBonelli True. But I think commonly faced typos are on-topic. I'm not even referring to those, they're all right.
 
It needs to be useful to future visitors
 
I don't think it would be in anyone's interest to close those old ones either, as they are indeed useful and are also programming problems. It's just not programming problems for experts :) Closing and deleting those would just make room for a gazillions new ones to be asked. And no duplicate targets.
 
BTW they edited the question after closure with an edit message that says "Fix trivial typos" ironically they added a meaning less = before the code.
 
@Yatin That wasn't the OP though.
 
6:35 PM
just noted. My bad
well that is even worse isn't it
 
Oops. Ninja'd..
 
typo while removing typos :)
 
It's an honest mistake, I'm sure :) I would edit, but the question won't last long anyway.
 
It's fixed. Amazing what a simple comment an accomplish ;)
 
@Scratte Nicely done :) Yeah, I've found that to work very often.
 
6:39 PM
I removed my comment as I didn't expect them to reply to it. Now it looks kind of weird :)
 
@Scratte It's gone. All's well that ends well :)
 
BTW the link on a closed question doesn't mention "unlikely to help future readers". I wonder if this would confuse new-comers as to what was wrong with their question...
 
@Yatin There ways that one can get confused on Stack Overflow is.. in between countable and uncountable infinity.
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But they have an answer in a comment, so I think all is well for the author.
 
7:26 PM
@vestland Did you mean Needs more focus?
 
7:47 PM
@Dharman Yes, that just might be an even more appropriate reason fro closing the question. I think almost any category would be appropriate...
 
 
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9:54 PM
@Adriaan A typical way to say that would be "it has a 2 Hz sampling rate", "it has a sampling rate of 2 Hz", "it has been recording data at a 2 Hz sampling rate for N days/weeks/months/years", "the sampling rate is 2 Hz", etc.
 
For anyone who wants to influence the help: Review queue Help Center draft: Triage queue
 
When looking at the proposed First Posts queue and Late Answers queue, a new button seems to be described: Delete. I wonder if that is accessible to everyone and.. how much that could be abused if it is.
 
10:11 PM
@Scratte That might have been unintended. If you have delete votes, then the late answer queue gives you a delete button instead of recommend delete. Might be what happened with the mockup.
 
@Scratte I think Catija means if you cast a delete vote it counts as "reviewed"
 
@NathanOliver Late Answers doesn't give me a "Recommend delete" button..
 
Aha. That's the LQPQ. lol, it's been too long since I've reviewed I guess.
 
I also noticed that they've introduced something I find a little disturbing in Review queue Help Center draft: First posts queue. The item "show research". That's new.. and doesn't correspond to any close flags/votes at all. So do they mean to say that "HowTo" and "What is the difference between" Questions are now banned from Stack Overlow?
@Machavity If that is the meaning, then it will certainly confused new reviewers. As they're usually at 500 reputation points.. about 9500 points away from that option, no?
Are there ever any Questions in the Low Quality Posts queue? Review queue Help Center draft: Low-quality posts queue seems to have a "Recommend Close or Close" option. Is that new?
 
10:36 PM
@Scratte I think only mods see the LQP questions
And I asked Cat about it and she's reworded it for clarity
 
@Machavity I do not think that's reworded yet though. The "Recommend deletions" are gone from the proposed First Posts and Late Answers :)
 
11:03 PM
 
11:18 PM
If I incorrectly downvoted and delete-voted an answer as a 'copy' (because I have now realized it was posted within a few minutes of the other one), should I just live with it, or can I mod-flag to get my actions undone? :-(
 
@AdrianMole You just del voted, or you were the final del vote?
 
@AdrianMole What do you mean by "copy" exactly?
 
I'm the first and only delete vote at the moment ... I'm assuming that, if a mod deleted/undeleted the post, my delete vote would vote would vanish. But would I then be able to undo my downvote?
@cigien Very similar code - but the timing makes it look like it was just a case of near-simultaneous posts. Here.
 
@AdrianMole I don't think a delete state counts as an edit but not sure
 
@Machavity Lets test it :)
 
11:22 PM
@Machavity But a mod could make a 'null' edit, is not? ;)
I made a boo-boo and I seek redemtion!
 
@AdrianMole Not exactly. You're probably referring to redaction. Another mod has to approve those
 
@AdrianMole Ah, I see. I'm not sure a mod would look kindly on a flag for that :p
 
Our residents mods are bottomless reservoirs of kindness.
 
@AdrianMole Ah, then you should be ok ;)
Just to clarify, up-voting the answer to compensate for Adrian's boo-boo would violate the rules, correct?
 
Yes.
 
11:26 PM
Ok, seemed obvious, just thought I'd ask. Thanks :)
 
@AdrianMole I edited the answer. You should be able to retract your votes now
 
If you don't see the Answer getting undeleted by kindness, then you have two options: You can collude with 2 other users to have it deleted and then undeleted. Then you can test to see if you can then retract your downvote. Or you can make some edit to it and then retract your downvote, but then your del-vote will be on it for ever and ever.
 
@Nick Thanks !
Can't retract delete votes, though. They're very sticky.
 
@AdrianMole You can get it deleted and then un-deleted. Then it'll go back to have no delete votes.
 
@AdrianMole Typo in your comment, "... means to [rectify] my error".
 
11:29 PM
@cigien Only if he asked you to do so. Even I can't tell if you upvoted a question
 
I already made that hint; I don't want to further test the "bottomless kindness" theory! :-)
@cigien Rectification ... That's the name of the game!
 
@AdrianMole Now you swapped rectify and my :p
 
@Machavity Apart from the rules of the room, it's kind of a strange thing to upvote to compensate for someone else's downvote, no?
 
Hehe: Mere øl - 🍺 - ເບຍອີກ
 
@AdrianMole Phew, within the 5 min window :)
 
11:32 PM
... where there's a will, there's a way! Thanks, all, for your help. Much appreciated!
 
But I am still curious. Is it possible to un-delete vote a post that one has deleted?
 
Dunno?
 
@Machavity Ah, I see. So if I unilaterally decide to do that because I think it's fair, it's ok, so long as I don't say anything about it?
 
Cleaning up the [poetry] tag
 
@Scratte Philosophically, yes. But if that's how you wanna spend your votes, knock yourself out.
@cigien Yep
 
11:33 PM
@Machavity Ah, got it, thanks. Wasn't an entirely silly question after all :)
 
Where mods get involved is when you're targeting people with votes. Just don't do it.
 
@Machavity Thanks. I remember it being discussed before. Lots of users mentioned that one shouldn't vote to eliminate another vote. But of course it's impossible to tell why users vote.
 
It's silly to say "Oh, that poor, downvoted person. Let me offset those downvotes with an upvote". Vote on the merits
 
@Machavity Yes, that's exactly what I meant to say :)
But.. there's another catch: I see a post that I think is "meh". Then I notice it has a score of -1, and then I upvote it because I think the score is wrong..?!? Now, if I weren't going to upvote it if it has a score of 0, then it's kind of strange of me to upvote it just because it has a score of of -1, no? (I means some user..)
 
@Seanny123 FYI: The Markdown for a tag is [tag:cv-pls]. Please see "How and why do I need to format my cv-pls (and other requests)?" in the FAQ.
 
11:39 PM
I was just starting to read the FAQ. Thank you for reminding me.
 
Heh.. it's 4 months old and would have Roomba'ed in 4 days.
 
I'm more amazed that it hung around that long
 
But it was raised in SOCVR and SOCVR has a duty to delete stuff like that (or get a Diamond Geezer to do so on our behalf).
 
They even made a tag for it :(
 
@Machavity I guess that's the only reason it hung around. It was the only tag, and so less than a dozen people ever saw it.
 
11:44 PM
@Machavity How is that possible. I thought only 1500 reputation point users could create new tags.
 
@Machavity Maybe one of Yaakov's (many) sock puppets? xD
 
@Scratte 31 watchers. I suspect it's been around and we just noticed it
 
@Machavity I don't think I can access how many users watches a tag.
 
@Scratte Mouse over the tag?
 
@Machavity Oh! Nice :) The maze of the user interface keeps showing off :)
 
11:48 PM
Maybe those "watchers" are mixing up with [python-poetry]?
 
I guess I can still edit this tag :D
However the poetry topusers page is confusing. How can there even be any users on it, when there are no Questions?
 
The Triage 'tweaks' seem to be having an effect.
 
I just went through I edited all questions with [[poetry]] since there was only 10 and none of them were relevant. Maybe this change takes time to be carried out?
 
@Scratte Because it is updated only once a day. And this tag had some questions today but someone retagged them. Case in point stackoverflow.com/posts/64246724/revisions
 
@Seanny123 There's a bot that runs daily (IIRC) that deletes tags with no questions.
 
11:53 PM
@Dharman Oh! Thank you :)
 
neato
 
@AdrianMole can you please elaborate... what sort of changes?
 
Well, only 2 H&I reviews in the past 24 hours, and that queue is empty. Folks aren't clicking "Requires Editing" any more ... 'cos there ain't no such button, any more!
 
@AdrianMole It's called something else "Needs community edit". It's still there :)
 
Yeah, but now it's called something close to, "Don't click me!"
 
11:56 PM
I know you're happy and very upset about this at the same time :)
 
I'm just upset. Happiness isn't one of my tags.
 
I remember congratulating you when you got your silver badge, but I think you didn't want to reply to that as you had your eyes on the gold one..
 
@AdrianMole Not true. I think this was the first action I took in that queue after the changes were announced. I pressed requires community edit
 
@Dharman {[del-pls] Dharman}
 
11:58 PM
@Dharman Which was safe as someone announced a month long break from suspending users doing that. Just don't try it again ;)
 
@Dharman That was a very poor edit.
 
You made that edit
 
Somebody has stolen my username.
 

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