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12:00 AM
Happy Monday. :)
 
@DanielWiddis Just what we need in this room ... another Fanatic! :-)
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OK, off for game night, see you happy people tomorrow! :)
 
12:25 AM
Does this Q look POB?
 
@Machavity this statement in one of the answers would suggest so: "So there is not a correct response to your question, it will depend on what you want to do."
 
I thought so but wanted a second set of eyes. Thanks
 
 
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@Vega odd — why did that question need 4 votes for deletion? I thought only 3 votes are needed?
 
@sideshowbarker there's a formula which depends on the number of upvotes the question/answers have...
 
ah OK
 
@sideshowbarker should probably be mod-flagged as it may be an attempt to get around question asking limits
 
 
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5:30 AM
So I was looking up php and utf8 and found an exact copy of this q&a on another site: semicolonworld.com/question/72870/utf-8-all-the-way-through. Is there anything to be done?
 
@Nick I cannot advise, but found this: meta.stackexchange.com/q/24611/704698
 
5:48 AM
@Vega thanks ... in a comment to the newest answer I found this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/200177/…
 
 
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7:49 AM
@Nick yw. It is a complicated subject :/
Is this on-topic?
 
@Vega CVed as general computing
 
@desertnaut Thank you :)
 
@Vega there could be argued that there is some rule violation here, as the post is old - but I just edited it, so it is now eligible ;)
 
@desertnaut there's a deleted nato on that post, so it was OK
 
@desertnaut It was active today, after a spam post, though?
I CVed it at the same time as the spam flag, but was hesitating
Thank you for the heads up :)
 
 
 
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10:20 AM
 
10:50 AM
@Georgy you mean the question, not the answer you linked to?
I flagged this as spam but at the very least it's off-topic: stackoverflow.com/questions/64100487
 
@tripleee out of close votes so early? :P
Probably not spam.
 
the OP's previous post was egregiously off-topic (not on Stack Overflow) but I'll leave it to you to decide obviously
 
Ah, I didn't notice the link in the question that points to the employer/company
that makes it a lot worse
 
It is plagiarism with spam link
 
OK, spam it is
 
10:57 AM
@AndrasDeak they have given away nearly all of their 8k rep in bounties; that's remarkable regardless of what you want to call it
 
@tripleee Ups! Yeah, I wanted to link the question.
 
@Georgy Please link to the question not the answer
 
@Dharman Should I post the del-pls again?
 
Makes sense to me
 
@tripleee seems they are assigning bounties on their own questions with "authoritative reference needed", so I won't call it dedication
 
10:59 AM
@AndrasDeak dedication to asking
 
@rene Could you, please, delete this request? chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50560747#50560747 I used a wrong link there.
 
Out of del-votes; there is no my del-vote on above post.
 
11:24 AM
So that's what happens if I reply...
 
@DavidBuck I'll be happy to grant you these privileges in other rooms but in here you need to request them via the room owners
 
@tripleee Thanks for the offer. I already spend faaaar longer than I should every day on SO related activities. I fear that more privileges will just make things worse...
 
I am supposed to be working and I am on SO instead
 
that's how it goes (-:
 
We need a privilege where Smokey kicks you when you give feedback
 
11:34 AM
!!/kick andreasdeak
 
@Dharman No such command 'kick'.
:50561066 No such command 'kick'.
 
@Dharman No such name 'andreasdeak'.
 
YEah I made many typos LOL
 
11:50 AM
@DavidBuck That made me smile. You are so right about this :) They call it privileges, but that's a ruse :)
 
@Scratte Does this explain why your rep is slowly getting lower and lower?
 
@DavidBuck Yes, partly. One can also note that just one up/down vote can be a means to separate ends at the same time :) Decreasing reputation is however harder then gaining it, since I don't just use the privilege lightly.
 
12:07 PM
Morning
 
o/
 
o/
 
I'm sure the message between both o/ was not why Nathan cleaned up. I'm sure.
 
12:49 PM
^that probably needs to be redacted or deleted...
 
@SurajRao flagged for mod attention, let's hope it takes
 
What's the proper request if someone makes numerous condescending remarks in the same comment thread?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica mod flag the post with explanation for comment cleanup and disengage..
 
1:17 PM
RO individual user being discussed up thread, please clean up.
 
@DavidBuck delete voted instead
@bad_coder link please?
 
Refer the footnote from answer in my above del-pls request:
"Fwiw, I'm not sure this question classifies as programming related. You might have better luck here: healthcareit.stackexchange.com (UPD: The Healthcare IT site didn't have enough activity during the beta, and has been closed"
 
1:23 PM
@bad_coder That is not really moderating a user, is it? I mean we also link to Jon sometimes to notice something without trying to moderate or say anything bad. It's just observation, no? Some times users are linked because they have a similar avatar to the orange helmet :) Or just as blurry as the flower.
 
Better to be on the safe side and just not post links to users
 
@Scratte One ore more remarks were lightly snide, if the user or someone else saw it they wouldn't like that kind of focus on one single person. Besides, the users actions were inside the rules, not a matter of curation. If it were warranted or unambiguously innocuous I wouldn't have said anything. I think this keeps within SOCVR spirit.
@NathanOliver This.
 
1:48 PM
Why did you tag me @bad_coder ?
Ah I understood. Well I was pointing it out as it was something funny I noticed, didn't have any bad intentions, I've no idea what is it you thought my comment meant
 
2:14 PM
@IslamElshobokshy As I explained it could be construed as rude, and discussing individual users is not a habit in this room. Can safely be grouped under "(...) not having the appearance of targeting users." FAQ #20
 
2:36 PM
@bad_coder it wasn't a moderation discussion tho, simply an observation. We do it often with Jon.
 
3:43 PM
What makes that suddenly I don't see close(1) on the question in my last request? Could it be bug? The target was deleted
 
@Vega the identical duplicate was deleted; probably now close as "needs more focus" which is what happened with the earlier question (identical save for the title)
 
@tripleee Yes, thank you:) I am not sure if I should retract the cv-pls and repost with the new reason? I am not be able to revote
 
@Vega I guess just leave it, the comments on the question should hopefully guide any visitors who click on your cv-pls
@Lankymart 10k+ user ... astonishing
 
@tripleee I kind of did a double-take, because I wasn't sure if I was overreacting at first.
 
@tripleee Reputation is rarely a gauge of how well you know the entire site.
 
4:12 PM
@Braiam Reputation is really only an indication of ... how much reputation you have. :)
 
@Braiam honestly, don't know how you make it to 10k without knowing how the site works?
 
Ask a few good questions?
 
@Lankymart I think that we have a recent example of that :)
 
I queued up a bunch of other common duplicates (mainly in the tag) last week, they all seem to be sitting at 1 close vote ... anyone who can't find a good use for their close votes this afternoon might want to take a peek in the queue
 
Zoe
@AdrianMole Nah, you ask hundreds of bad ones :') (I know of a user who actually does that... 20k+ rep, near or over 1000 questions, and most of them are trash)
 
4:14 PM
BTW, remember that the value of upvotes on questions was greatly inflated @Lankymart
 
@Braiam But only after having previously been deflated, IIRC. (That was long before my time, though.)
Maybe I should post some C or C++ code as Java (I hear the folks there are more generous with their upvotes than the grumpy old fogies of C++) and ask why it doesn't do what I expect. xD
 
@AdrianMole I think we are seeing votes from different angles: the value of a upvote was inflated for questions, since it raised (you get more reputation for the same vote).
That hasn't changed in a very long time.
 
Yeah ... upvotes on questions gave only +5 rep. when I started out, but that was 'recently' increased to +10. However, IIRC, the original system had +10 for questions, as it did for answers. In the recent change, the 'inflation' was applied retroactively; don't know what happened when the Q rep. went down though (or exactly when that happened).
Personally, I think we should get a +1 rep each time the Audit Machine "congratulates" us! ;-P (But, if so, I would accept a -5 each time I hit a "Stop! Look! Listen!" banner.)
 
It's too easy to subvert audits so giving out rep for them could be easily farmed.
 
hehe - exactly my point! ;)
Is this worthy of a del-pls request, or just leave it to the LQP review?
 
4:47 PM
If someone wants to hear Shog dogs
 
5:12 PM
Are Shog dogs related to meta hounds?
 
5:25 PM
@tink Why?
 
5:55 PM
@AdrianMole I ran out of close vote reviews for the day
 
@Braiam - because there's a dedicated stackexchange site for database related things?
At least I assume that that was what you were asking about
 
@tink The first requirement for voting to migrate is that it has to be off topic on the site it was asked, the second is that it's on topic for the target site. It isn't off topic for SO.
 
I see ... then why did you back the vote?
 
I voted as duplicate.
 
Heh. Right.
 
6:46 PM
Another long lost cousin :D
 
7:19 PM
RO pls delete this request - question was cross-posted: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50564041#50564041
 
7:38 PM
I see they updated the html on the close vote popup window again...
 
M--
@TylerH AGAIN!!!
 
@M-- yeah my user style is broken suddenly
 
M--
Should this be deleted: stackoverflow.com/questions/10127982/… ??
 
@M-- oh yeah
one big "me too" post
 
@TylerH I wonder if your remark, while technically correct, might have been a bit spiky. The content of that answer was thoughtful (and maybe even useful) even if it is NAA, and so the author (being brand new here) may somewhat baulk at your response. I think it's fine to describe why it might be deleted, but it's better to address it to the author, with enough diplomacy to soften the blow of future deletion.
 
7:55 PM
@TylerH What part of the popup was changed? With a quick look, I'm not seeing the change.
 
@Makyen It looks like they added back some verbiage or changed some position property at first glance
I no longer need position: relative and left: -205px properties on one of my selectors for example.
@halfer (balk) I think it was OK -- maybe 'rambling' wasn't the best term... it was 'verbose' or 'long-winded'... which I think rambling covers OK... it was lengthy and inconsequential, if not confusing.
 
I was gonna say "Oh yeah, they added an edit button" and then I realized that wasn't a UX change...
 
X-D
 
@TylerH I didn't know baulk had different spellings - interesting! Looks like the "u" is OK for Brit English though - grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/balk_baulk_bulk.htm
 
interesting
I shouldn't be surprised
those Brits
 
8:06 PM
@TylerH We apologise :=)
 
subtleties like this are responsible for the bulk of foreign speaker confusion
 
@AndrasDeak that's boulk in British English
 
:=)
 
8:45 PM
Is this new? And how to get rid of it?
 
@Scratte It ain't new. But just click it and you're good.
 
@E_net4 If I click it, it will make me join 20 rooms! I just want it to go away.. it's taking up space.
E_net4 the short name? :D
 
Shouldn't this edit be rejected? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/27263861
 
Interestingly the request generator will give a warning if a post hasn't had "recent activity". I expect it's set to the previous one month?
 
@Scratte I think if a post is too old it gives a warning saying the post is against the guidelines? I got that too.
 
8:57 PM
@10Rep I'm not sure. I don't think so.. it has Answers.
 
@Scratte Yeah, that's what I thought. Edits to code should rarely be approved
 
Also. I do not think it means what the editor thinks. At least it's misspelled if it's what they likely thinks it means.
 
While I appreciate the sentiment from the editor, profanity in code is not quite the same thing. I've only run across one where it was so egregious it had to go
 
@Machavity But is it even a profanity if it's misspelled? :) I mean what if I put "duck" or "piip" in my code? :)
 
@Scratte Yes, it's currently set to 30 days for the warning. I'll change it to an approximation of 6 months.
 
9:02 PM
@Scratte Not really. Even Smokey wouldn't nab stuff like that
 
@Machavity I'm happy about that, because I've linked to "Rubber duck debugging" more than a few times already :) If anyone were to assume I had made a typo, I'd be in trouble :D
 
@Dharman It has an upvoted answer already
 
9:19 PM
Does the annoying "Please consider adding a comment if you think this post can be improved." information go away at 2K? It's a little insulting to be presented with the same information over and over and over and over... unless Stack wants uses to downvote less.
 
nope
 
When do you see it?
 
@Dharman Every time I downvote a post.
 
I don't see it on Stack Overflow but I remember seeing it on other SE sites
 
ah, maybe it's tied to the site rep rather than network rep
 
@Dharman In 2015 an Answer by Shog9 to Am I still supposed to explain my downvotes or not? said it would go away at 2000 reputation points, but it's a bit old now. If @JohnDvorak keeps seeing it, then it's certainly not at 2K anymore.
 
I'm not >2k everywhere
only on SO
 
@Scratte It could just be the "System AI" trying to 'help' you? I get a similar thing sometimes on Meta.SE when I've put in a spell of upvotes on answers: "Questions need upvotes, too" or something along those lines.
 
@JohnDvorak Hmm.. so your "nope" means "I'm not sure"? :)
@AdrianMole I get that too, but only if I keep going on Answers. I also think it doesn't care which way one voted.
@mickmackusa No.. if the link is gone it still says "Better use DOMDocument and XPath"
 
9:26 PM
Indeed - maybe reputation makes it go away? Try! Get a few hundred rep. points and see. (It would be easy for you, I know!)
 
@AdrianMole I can't.. I promised myself :)
I've considered zapping the pop'up information thing, but I like that it warns when one only has a few votes left for the day.
 
Well, speaking "off topic" ... I made a decision many, many years ago, to "never make a promise!" (It's a faith, thing!) If I mean "yes," then I say, "yes!" That's enough of a bond. If I should later learn something that changes that 'bond' ... then, so be it! Be real; be human; but don't try to be God!
 
@AdrianMole But.. once one makes a decision or a plan, it's easier to stick with it :) Why make the plan if one can just change it?
 
... and never make a deal with anyone (including one's self) that will later prevent from doing what is right.
 
@Scratte Surprise!
 
9:34 PM
I need someone French for something completely off-topic... :(
Can't think of any active regulars in any chatroom I frequent :D
 
... otherwise, you're entering the territory of "funny hand-shakes" and other 'secret' Societies.
@AndrasDeak Je comprends Francais.
 
Do tou also pronuncier it?
 
... and I think Vega is a native speaker.
 
oh, nice
 
@AdrianMole I just made a commitment :)
@AdrianMole Yes, I'm pretty sure Vega is a gold badger many times over in French :)
 
9:36 PM
@Scratte Up to you! I shall never judge you ... but, if I can help, then I'll try.
 
@AndrasDeak Oui! Si il-y-a besoin.
 
@Vega apologies for the off-topic ping but science beckons. Wikipedia tells me that Coriolis is pronounced as "[kɔʁjɔlis]" which suspiciously looks like the "s" is voiced at the end. We are tought that it's pronounced as "Corioli" (think ravioli). Is wikipedia right? Only a few months ago I learned that Dirichlet is pronounced with a "k", not an "sh" in the middle :'|
 
There's the strange thing in French where the rules for normal words don't always apply for names. I remember the fragrant "Anais Anais" being pronounced with the s-sound.
 
There are rules? :)
 
9:42 PM
Oui :)
 
French is strange.
 
O m e l e t t e d u f r o m a g e
 
good way to freak out actual French speakers :P
 
Qui a coupe le fromage?
 
@AndrasDeak - but regardless of how the French pronounce "Coriolis", English has successfully clobbered every other word from any foreign language .... maybe you just shouldn't concern yourself with it? :D
 
9:46 PM
@tink I'm teaching physics to Hungarian students, so I prefer the source :)
 
=D
 
... la langue Français est éstranger
 
"estrange", I know that one, that's Spanish
 
but I spelt it wrong. ;-(
 
> French content detected
 
9:48 PM
va tu faire un autre quelquechose!!
 
What have I started...
OK, let's see
 
@AndrasDeak A very long "Excuse my French", it seems :)
 
Be careful with all the French. rene may come in and make you all go Dutch
 
GGGGrrrr...
 
Creo que en español sería extraño ... ;)
 
9:50 PM
@Machavity Is there a reference there, that I'm not getting?
 
@Machavity Dutch? You mean Germglish?
 
@tink Now you're just showing off. ;-P
 
Heh
 
ເບຍອີກ
 
@Scratte Nope. Sometimes I see it, sometimes I don't. It's weird, tbh.
 
9:52 PM
@AdrianMole Får du ikke øl nok? :)
 
@Scratte Pii bah!
 
@10Rep yeah, it absolutely can't be tied to network rep
 
@AndrasDeak English: We use a lot of words. German: Hold my beer
 
meh, those are cheating
 
... the goodlady that runs my local pub served me a pint of cider, by mistake. I was in such a good mood that I just drank it, anyway. Now, we get the repercussions.
 
9:54 PM
@AdrianMole మేము భాషలను చూపిస్తున్నామా?
 
@AdrianMole instead of? Apple juice or whiskey?
 
@AdrianMole What is that?
 
Germans don't use many words. They only use few at a time. They invent a new one for each occasion, though.
 
@10Rep Dunno what that is, but it ain't Lao.
 
@JohnDvorak das ist überhaupt nicht wahr! Lies mal ein paar Bücher von Kleist ;)
 
9:56 PM
@AdrianMole It's called Telugu. Don't try entering it into google translate though.
 
@10Rep Why not? it works fine
 
@Scratte It just means (in a sort of friendly way, mostly): You have mad ghosts controlling you!
 
@AdrianMole Oh.. in what language? (I do.. but it's just me)
 
@Scratte Lao/Thai - transliterated as best I can.
 
@AdrianMole Ahh.. that explains why google translate had no idea :)
 
10:00 PM
@Scratte Try: [ผีบ้า](ผีบ้า)
... hmm .. markdown doesn't like that?
 
you need a valid URL for the second part I think
 
@AdrianMole That's ok.. I'm just doubly a mad ghost :) Scratte, the double mad squirrel ghost?
 
@AndrasDeak It's too long. But, anyway, the "Pii" are 'spirits' of animism (which pre-date Buddhism). They're somewhat akin to (in appearance) the Leprechauns of Irish mythology.
... but only those who are near death can ever see them.
 
I suspect those that ever saw them were delirious at the time, likely from fever or something similar :D
 
@Scratte Herbal similarities, maybe.
... the Mexicans (or some of them) also have a similar 'legend'. Can't remember their name, but in that legend, only children can see them
 
10:20 PM
@AdrianMole How about childish adults?
 
@Scratte Maybe, but I was trying to be deep. Hrrmph.
 
@eyllanesc suspicious, those two
 
... I was in Mérida a few years back, and my host put me in an hotel named after them...
 
@AdrianMole Named after the hosts or the ghosts?
 
The tiny wee ghosts.
 
10:25 PM
I once lived in a city where superstition is prevalent. I got a really good deal on a place to live right next to a burial ground :D
 
hehe
Anyway - today has been, and shall remain, another zero-rep. day. I'm getting used to it. Bah!
 
you need to downvote more
9
 
Nearly all my downvote rep-loss comes back to me, in time.
 
@AdrianMole You need to pick them better then.
 
Why? Should folks not delete their answers with an (albeit anonymous) Mole downvote?
 
10:29 PM
@AdrianMole Some posts are incorrect but still have a lot of upvotes. Not sure how or why is happens though. They're unlikely to delete their posts just because of a few downvotes.
 
That's beyond my control! Which is why I said 'nearly' all... Those beyond help are a wasted vote.
 
No. Every little vote matters. Maybe if everyone was voting they'd be in the right place :)
 
... It would be relatively easy for me to find 1,000 answers worthy of downvoting. But, if I acted on that, I would lose the "power" to delete vote. Is that good curation?
 
..but it does feel kind of silly to put a vote on a 3894 scored post thinking that it will really make an impact.
 
that's partly why votes are limited per day :P
 
10:33 PM
It's a very complicated system. And so it should be. Stuff happens, y' know?
 
@AdrianMole All you need to do is write really good Answers and gain the same 40 reputation points, no? It would be easy for you, I know! ;)
 
@Scratte ++nGrudges!
 
lol! Sowwy ;)
 
hehe
Hmm - thought that NAA was a 'silent' reply to Smokey?
 
Maybe it works if you postfix is with "shh!" :)
 
10:46 PM
Yeah, I can always add "-" to the reply. Just didn't think it was required. I guess just "sd n" would have done the job.
 
Unfortunately I'm not a smokey-linguist, so I'll trust you on that. I get confused with all the f's and t's and u's and -'s that goes around.
 
All those weird codes also have "English" versions -we just like to show off, sometimes.
... makes us look like Unix programmers. xD
 
Well.. FP looks to me like First Posts :) and TP looks like Transport Protocol.
 
FTP! (You'd have to be Glaswegian to really get that.)
 
I thought that may be another version of FGITW :)
 
11:14 PM
Hmm.. when an Answer starts with "I don't care that this is not an answer..." is it abuse?
 
OK. Thanks. Flagged as NAA :)
I've got 5 NAA's on the same Question now :(
 
Community has protected the question with all the NAAs. I wonder what metric triggered that.
 
@khelwood Flagging more than x Answers as NAA
 
@Scratte it may not be NAA either. If the answer provides an answer in any way, it wouldn’t be NAA. If it is suited better to be a comment, then some mods decline such naa’s.
Those five answer though... crazy.
 
11:28 PM
@10Rep I don't think so, no. The "not an answer" flagging options says "This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether." emphasis mine.
@10Rep You are right that a moderator will decline it if it attempts to answer though.
 
Yea, I saw the answers you were referring to... just putting it out there.
 
@10Rep Yes, I'd say so. It doesn't seem to answer. It seems to state they have a similar problem and what error they are getting.
 
@Scratte ok, thanks. (Pinging instead of replying because im on ipad)
 
@10Rep That's fine. I don't mind :)
 
11:45 PM
Unfriendly?
Phew
What should I do with this one? stackoverflow.com/a/38167233/12708583
 
@10Rep It looks like an Answer to me. Not sure why it's downvoted, it seems like it's thorough.
 
@Scratte but read the end. Shoul I edit that out?
 
@10Rep No
 
@10Rep No. Why? It's a list of logentries.
 
@Scratte RyanM cleared it up, apparently wtf is a function in android.
 
11:59 PM
@10Rep Skip is a good choice if you're not familiar with the technology.
 

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