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12:56 AM
So ... this chap is asking how to run someone else's tool .... stackoverflow.com/questions/63984800/… Does the fact that the tool is written in python make this a programming question?
 
1:32 AM
> Ok, so if "really" is the sticking point, I think we can safely remove it. Really. — Shog9
The subtle burn :D
 
 
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3:37 AM
I downvoted a post, and left a comment saying why the answer was wrong. Sad part is they replied by saying "Hey, give me back my reputation @10Rep". How does one avoid this?
 
@10Rep By not commenting? ;)
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@10Rep By not commenting.
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3:59 AM
@Vega I have a dislike for anonymous downvotes. I sure don't like getting downvoted anonymously. So I try to leave a comment. Maybe SO should just implement some "comment anonymously" feature.
 
4:11 AM
@10Rep How about they too comment back anonymously and, taking advantage of that anonymity, with an agressive language (because the one you got was a bit fanny to me)?
 
4:26 AM
 
5:12 AM
@Makyen - apologies - now I've edited it, I've changed my mind about the last CV-pls - If you (or another RO) are about, could you please remove it.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
6:23 AM
For a question asking "where a class is defined in certain package" (e.g. stackoverflow.com/q/63982119/1426539), would typo/non-repro be an appropriate close reason? Should it be left open?
 
6:48 AM
Is this question okay? It looks a bit broad to me, but maybe it's answerable. I also noticed a typo in the usage guidance of tag kiwi-tcms: "it's plugins" when it should be "its plugins".
 
7:35 AM
 
8:02 AM
\o
 
8:30 AM
@Scratte out of votes already?
 
@Nick Scratte (like me) doesn't have enough reputation to vote to close. Can only flag.
 
@Nick ^ what JeanneDark said :) But my flag was disputed in Triage, so I put it here.
 
@Scratte sorry - always forget. Anyway, I've hammered it.
 
I saw that :) Those hammers are very useful :)
I think Triage reviewers never read the comments :(
 
9:00 AM
^^ SD report is at least NAA (only a link to some article)
 
Flagged as VLQ
 
 
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11:50 AM
Is it rare for this room to not have a single active request?
 
#mondayBlues?
 
I occasionally wonder why the → SOCVR Request Graveyard script doesn't also move its own prior messages to the graveyard, just leaving the most recent one.
 
Sorry, I am busy with other stuff and I have not been making many requests here. It's probably why there are no cv-pls here now.
 
@DavidBuck One can move the move messages? :)
 
11:56 AM
@DavidBuck because you can't. At least as a normal user those messages stay if I try to move them. I guess a mod could do more "harm"
 
@rene 'It's not possible' is certainly a good reason for leaving them
 
Morning
 
12:15 PM
@DavidBuck Only moderators can move the "moved" messages
I'm not sure there's any impetus for Mak or myself to try and move them regularly either
 
@Machavity Would that leave a move message though? :)
 
It does. I'll use Nathan's move message as an example
I've only ever used it once myself, when I had to do a bunch of bins. I then bulk binned the move messages
 
What do PHP experts feel about linking these two together? stackoverflow.com/questions/17717506/… and stackoverflow.com/questions/26757659/…
 
@Dharman Neither are using prepared statements so can we delete them both? ;-)
 
Well, we could if they were closed.
I wanted to delete them 2 years ago but unfortunately I am powerless here
 
Surely there is a better example they can be closed as a dupe of?
 
There is 1 2 3
All 100x worse
This one would require serious editing first
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Here is at least a sane response: stackoverflow.com/q/8723707/1839439 but not very useful IMHO
 
12:57 PM
@DavidBuck Thanks! ... I guess ... ;)
 
This is the only reasonable duplicate target: stackoverflow.com/questions/14774425/…
But... it doesn't show how to store the path in the database using prepared statements.
 
@Dharman Well, time for a self answer :D
 
2:22 PM
Is this valid answer or is OP talking about some other issue (NAA)?
 
@SurajRao I saw that one, too, and I am also having trouble deciphering the context. I think it's a "me too" sort of thing but I'm not sure.
 
2:39 PM
@SurajRao On a further re-read, it appears to be along the lines of: "Here's a solution I came up with for your problem, but it doesn't really work."
 
3:07 PM
 
@AdrianMole That's very helpful :D
 
@Braiam Hehe - I suppose, using the "pictures of apples" analogy, it would be a solid steel model of an apple.
 
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Should this be closed and locked/become a community wiki? Or just closed? stackoverflow.com/questions/22569176/…
 
@M-- Eh, why?
 
3:39 PM
Is this comment unfriendly stackoverflow.com/questions/63992997/…
 
@ArghyaSadhu no, it is factual
 
3:54 PM
@M-- I think it's fine as is
 
M--
@Braiam why should be closed or locked?
@TylerH ok, I don't have a strong opinion about it, will let go
 
@M-- That's what I'm asking :)
 
Is there actually an answer in this PHP/Laravel answer? It's obviously incomplete, but I have no idea if what is there would count as an answer stackoverflow.com/a/63992650
 
4:42 PM
@DavidBuck What is it lacking?
 
@Braiam "Therefore I can suggest to" what?
 
@JeanneDark If there's no answer contained in the post, then it's prime for deletion.
 
@Braiam Not being prescient, or familiar with PHP, I do not know. All I know is that it doesn't sound finished.
My concern is that I do not want to be on the end of a "declined - flags should not be used to indicate technical inaccuracies, or an altogether wrong answer" message
 
@DavidBuck declined: this flag isn't indicating a technical inaccuracy nor wrong answer, but that the content doesn't represent an answer at all.
Have anyone read the question... it's an atrocity :(
 
4:53 PM
@DavidBuck I think your flag would be declined. Don't do it :)
 
@Scratte I haven't done it.
@Braiam It's a PHP question ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@DavidBuck That explains many things...
 
5:22 PM
@DavidBuck We usually accept these question here
 
6:13 PM
@Dharman Do we? I thought that looked clearly in DBA.SE's territory. I'll withdraw if you think it's OK.
 
I am not sure what is on-topic on dba.se
but plenty of questions about phpmyadmin are here. Otherwise why would we have that tag
 
We have many tags that make me ask the question why they are here...
@NathanOliver Could you please remove this . Thanks.
 
@DavidBuck Because people associate tags with hashtags. It has the same ending so it must be the same thing, right!?
If instead of tags it was called categories or topics, it would have been so much better.
@Dharman the fact that we have a tag, doesn't mean that any question is on topic for the site. Case in point: , , :D
BTW, I support any effort to remove all OS tags. OS's are too big for being relevant to programming.
 
6:30 PM
most things beyond language and library tags are not relevant to programming
 
@DavidBuck It was moved in my cleanup script batch
 
@AndrasDeak I can get behind some of those, like where you need to interpret Debian policies about packaging, but for the OS itself... nah.
 
6:49 PM
 
7:40 PM
Is it just me or has Stack Overflow slowed down?
 
7:55 PM
What close reason do I use for a Question that just asks if the code works as they expect?
 
@Scratte if the "they expect" is incomplete then no MCVE or unclear
 
It states what the code is suppose to do, very clearly. Then asks if the code does it. There's code and.. it works ;D So there is an MCVE and it's clear and focused. I has a question.. there's not a single close reason that fits
 
grounds for downvote
 
But.. should it not be closed then?
 
@M-- Needs mod-flagging
 
8:02 PM
@Scratte sounds on-topic, alas
 
@AndrasDeak That kind of blows my mind :D I'm not happy about it :)
 
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8:19 PM
@DavidBuck Check out the comments and deleted posts. It needs multiple mod flags.
 
@M-- It all seems a little bizarre, and that's not even counting the picture of a pigeon. I can't see all of the deleted stuff so I can't really be sure who said what to whom about what, but it's obviously gone off the rails.
 
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@DavidBuck that user has posted their answer 12 times the one you see is the 13th). Every time the other user posted same comments, criticizing their answer. They've deleted and posted again. There were many comments fighting over who has posted comments first, who's harassing, etc. It's a hot mess.
 
@M-- well, Martijn has certainly done some cleaning up in that mess (even since you first raised the issue here) ... and he seems to be active now, so he's probably dealing with it.
 
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8:36 PM
Hopefully, it wasn't (isn't) pretty at all.
 
Agreed! Two high-rep users who really should know better.
 
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I like the picture though: i.stack.imgur.com/DDkS5.jpg lol
 
Seems familiar .. I think I've seen it before on S.O.
 
@M-- I've added another mod flag.
 
M--
@halfer not necessary, it's been dealt with
 
8:49 PM
 
@Machavity I certainly didn't mean to suggest doing them manually. Just an idle thought that the Graveyard script could catch them too to keep the place tidier, but if it's not possible, it's not possible...
@RyanM Never played it. Should have got the C64 version when it came out...
 
@DavidBuck I suppose it's possible, but I kinda like leaving them TBH. It's a visible sign the ROs are engaged (I'm not sure rene ever really sleeps anyways)
 
9:06 PM
Yeah, move messages are great for transparency
 
@M-- Great {thumbs-up}
 
@Scratte I have no idea how the answerer know about those details :O
 
9:22 PM
@Scratte There was code in the question before it was edited out.
 
Someone is deleting SAP questions. Is there a reason for this. I know SAP is not great but why delete the questions?
 
@Dharman Why not?
 
They can be useful.
 
if they are being deleted is because they were closed, and they wouldn't be if they were actually useful, no?
 
@khelwood Oh!.. Thanks :) I did not notice that.
 
9:26 PM
@Dharman And somebody else is deleting lots of PHP questions. ;-P
 
@khelwood But.. that looks like vandalism.
 
meh... it's difficult to say what is useful about proprietary system like SAP. e.g. stackoverflow.com/questions/9938477/… is a rather bad question but the advice is useful.
 
They ask a Question, then gets an Answer. Vandalizes their Question which results in downvotes and close votes and ultimately deletion.
This Question should be rolled back to version 1.
 
Leave it
 
9:33 PM
Why?
 
It's bad either way
 
Can anyone offer me a sound justification for why this page from 2015 stackoverflow.com/q/27929875/2943403 was used to close this page stackoverflow.com/q/9635968/2943403 from 2012?
 
@mickmackusa Why is age relevant?
 
Are you asking about the age or the contents?
 
Age of the questions. Mick included the date the question was asked, I'm asking why is that relevant.
 
9:40 PM
@mickmackusa Why not? Nice day for it, decent weather today.
 
If there is no overt justification for closing an older page with a newer page, my gut tells me that the closure is reversed/inappropriate. This is why I want to hear if there is a "good reason" to chronologically reverse the closure.
 
It has more answers and fuller explanation.
 
The accepted answer on the open page provides the exact same technique as the accepted answer on the earlier page.
 
I can't find anything wrong with it
Then the duplicate closure makes sense
 
The process for duplicates is usually: are they really duplicates? Which has better answers? Which describes better the issue?
 
9:44 PM
A question with an answer was closed as a duplicate of another question with similar answer that has better explanation and other alternative answers. What's wrong with that?
 
The one that outweigh the other in the later two question is preferable to be the target. If the first fails then questions may be related but are not duplicates.
 
Seems rather unfair that Alex answered a unique question, then 3 years later it is deemed that the question that he answered is a duplicate of a page that didn't exist when he answered. I know folks say that a page's birthday shouldn't matter, but in this case it feels wrong.
 
Well, lets put it this way. He had 3 years basking on the glory without improving the question he answered so the later duplicate wouldn't happen.
The later question happened, and was better than the one it answered. So it was decided to be used as the canonical of these questions.
 
@mickmackusa Stack Overflow is not about the users. It's about the content. We really do not care who asked or answered what. The reputation is only for giggles and to give you more work as a caretaker.
Not often I agree with Braiam, but I am with him 110%
 
{giggles}
 
9:48 PM
Which moves us to the next issue: you should always make sure that the questions you answer are the best they can be so they become the canonical for the issue the question is about.
 
Age of question doesn't matter as long as your actions improve the quality of the site and help others find answers quicker
 
@Braiam And you can get badges for editing/improving questions that you have answered well!
 
I find the earlier question to be very succinct and clear.
 
Yet, somehow it didn't attract similar quality answers
 
hi @HovercraftFullOfEels =)
 
9:52 PM
@Turing85: hello
 
Hmm. As I read the questions again, I think the questions are related but not asking the same thing. The earlier one wants to produce a multidim array from the dot notation. The later one wants to traverse a pre-existing multidim array as dictated by the dot notation. In other words, the newer page does not ask the dot notation to be formed into an array -- only read as a path.
 
10:14 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica it has been closed as a "not likely to help future visitors", which I think is appropriate since the answer is, "study the basics"
 
10:28 PM
Ooff :( 17 pending flags.
 
@Scratte You should have 200 available per day by now. 17 which are pending isn't all that many. :)
 
@Makyen It is to me. I keep circling the post to see if they're edited. Also, I don't count comment flags, since.. hmm.. I don't use them..
 
I love when question authors ignore questions in the comments, but are suddenly around to delete their question when it gets closed :-\
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yeah, that works, it is a useless question.
 
@RyanM That is funny.. in a tragic kind of way.
 
10:33 PM
@tink I think that's more "General computing," but definitely 100% closeable.
@Scratte You really should consider the "follow" feature, it's basically tailor-made for this exact use-case.
 
@RyanM ... well, the desired output hints at programming (no package manager I know generates that type of output) ... but anywho ;)
 
@tink Yeah, we're in agreement as to the desired result :-)
 
=D
 
@RyanM The think about it is that it's still active when the post is deleted and I don't want that. It also doesn't tell me when a post gets deleted.
 
@Scratte oh, yeah, that is annoying. They really need to fix that.
I had to do some PHP development and server administration this past weekend, and oh boy am I glad for the Stack Exchange network's existence.
 
10:36 PM
I reckon you used a lot of Answers on howto-Questions? :)
 
I don't think I could possibly have figured out how to write the find command I needed to without this answer.
The find DSL is...kind of impenetrable without examples like that.
Also this Super User answer because software installation on Linux is...sometimes a fun adventure.
(It's a shared server so I don't have root, and I needed to jury-rig a Mercurial install)
 
@RyanM I noticed a few things about that thread.. I'm happy to see that the Question wasn't closed though :)
 
@Scratte Yeah honestly I think the find DSL is basically a programming language, so I'm fine calling that a programming question...
 
I generally always land on a no-code howto Question every time I need to know something, and find a good Answer.. I've landed on a few debug Questions, but they generally don't have any Answers I can use.
 
Maybe I'll write a self-answered Super User question for "how to install mercurial without root" since I don't think there's a comprehensive answer anywhere...
It's mostly that Super User answer I linked, but you also have to modify the launch script to use the local python location.
 
10:54 PM
@RyanM But.. don't your Questions get closed? :D
 
@RyanM Maybe a PR to add a --user parameter?
 
@Scratte Of the three questions I've had closed across the network, I cast a binding dupe vote on one of them, and one of the others got to +11 :-)
 
@RyanM Huh.. You got +11 for a duplicate Question?!?
 
(the dupe I closed myself ended up at +1 apparently is now at +1/-1)
 
@RyanM Funny.. I get directed to the target and have to click the linked post on the sidebar to get back to the actual post :) But the MSO post is still ignored by moderators :)
 
11:09 PM
@Scratte I mean to some degree it's a problem staff need to solve, since it's network-wide policy (and can't be edited by site moderators), and I think the suggestion from the dupe target is excellent.
 
@RyanM I know that, but.. the questions are not answered. There's no one who will say "Yes, please ignore all plagiarism on Questions", but also no one will say "Those declined flags were a mistake by the handling moderator". Not sure how staff can change that.
 
Mainly, it would be nice for staff to clarify what the rule that's supposed to be being enforced is. Moderators are currently stuck trying to interpret ambiguous rules, and coming up with different answers as a result.
 
..until a take-down notice comes in on a post where a comment about plagiarism has been sitting there for 6 months or so :D
 
11:44 PM
@RyanM The help center is more of what you call guidelines than actual rules.
 

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