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12:00 AM
@Dharman so how do you know what it is?
 
@Dharman cool. anyway, congrats!
 
12:33 AM
I'm in the "default" tier.
 
 
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3:36 AM
@dur This question, for which you posted this cv-pls, has been edited to add an error log. I'm not an SME, so I can't really evaluate it wrt. having a MCVE/MRE. If you could check to see if it should be reopened, that would probably help. cc @desertnaut @Turing85 (you two voted to close)
 
 
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5:46 AM
RO - Can you please trash my last cv-pls? OP reformatted the code and it's now a valid MCVE
 
 
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7:21 AM
I just found a question from a 1 rep user which has no evidence he's tried anything, also the title is not even a question so what should I do with it? (I'm low rep so I can't actually close vote it)
I'm talking about Firebase and react native.
 
@ThatZ9 please edit to remove the onebox, probably add [tag:cv-pls] in front
 
dur
@Makyen Thanks. I added a comment. There is still code missing.
 
@tripleee I'm sorry, I don't know what you mean
Can you explain?
 
@ThatZ9 posting a link on its own creates a big preview of the destination called a onebox, edit the link to add something in front to make it not purely a link
see also the room FAQ
 
aaaagh i spent too long on editing couldnt do it
OK, thanks
Sorry, this is my first time
 
7:24 AM
@dur np. Thanks for taking a look at it.
@ThatZ9 The normal thing to do is flag for closure. Which is the "flag" button just below the question's tags. You then select "needs improvement" and pick a reason from the dialog. Some of the options open further dialogs. Unfortunately, they changed the overall dialog to make it much less clear what's going on (e.g. there's no indication what will open a further dialog vs. straight selections).
 
I have already flagged it @Makyen
 
@ThatZ9 Sounds good. You flagging it will have put the question in the Close Vote Review Queue, where it (hopefully) will be looked at by three or more users who will choose to either vote to close or indicate a review response of "Leave Open".
This room also deals with closing questions, by having people post requests, but we're a bit selective, because we just don't have enough people and close-votes to handle everything. As a result, we limit what questions we permit making requests about and how many requests people can make in a day, etc. We have a website with a tour and FAQ, which goes int much more detail.
@ThatZ9 BTW: Please keep in mind that code is only required for debugging questions, and an attempt is only required for homework problems. That someone hasn't tried anything doesn't inherently make a question off-topic. Some of the best questions on Stack Overflow are "how-to" questions which just have some text asking how to do something, without any code in the question. Such questions, when narrowly focused can be very helpful to a large number of people.
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However, such questions do need to be tightly focused on one thing, not a list of things the OP wants done, and the question needs to be very clear as to what is being asked. Having code often greatly helps to make a question clearer and more focused, but it's not required, if the question is already clear and sufficiently focused to fit into our format.
 
 
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9:13 AM
Sorry for the influx, couldn't get on at the weekend.
 
@Lankymart what is this weekend people talk about? Never encountered one ...
 
9:52 AM
@rene It comes right after vinyl friday :)
 
Ha!
 
10:35 AM
 
10:53 AM
@rene :D
 
 
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12:06 PM
Morning
 
@AlonEitan ^^ typo??
 
@desertnaut $_POST["insert your message here"]
No chance that this is the actual field name
 
@AlonEitan shouldn't you/someone leave a comment mentioning that?
 
I don't even understand the question... Unsalvageable IMO
 
12:28 PM
@AmitJoshi you didn't CV the 2nd one yourself?
 
@desertnaut I did; it is expired by now.
"You voted to close this question Aug 19 at 6:09"
 
1:29 PM
Is Smokey's latest catch (Link) more NAA or more spam?
 
@RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio i flagged as NAA
 
Read as NAA to me.
 
That was amusing. Someone flagged comments letting them know they had posted a NAA. So... comments flags declined and deleted the NAA.
 
@Machavity Can we say 'the biter bit' for that case?
^^ I have translated it from French, so I am not sure it was correct
 
1:49 PM
@Vega In the US we'd probably say "hoisted by your own petard" (a nod to Shakespeare)
 
@Scratte no, it does not reset (definition of reset: manually set a suspension to 1 or 2 days, so that the next one becomes 2 or 4 days).
 
@SamuelLiew Oh. That's good to know, thanks :) At least I'll know why my next vacation is longer :)
 
2:24 PM
@Machavity I will keep that one, thanks :) In French it is "L'arroseur arrosé", which in literal translation is "The sprinkler/waterer sprinkled/watered"
 
3:16 PM
^^ Spam
 
@rene I remember the other day I was bemoaning not being able to search SEDE for reviews of a certain type. Can SEDE count the number of close votes a user has in general? Trying to see votes by ID = 6 and UserID = mine returns nothing
 
@TylerH no, only when the question is actually closed. Juggle with the JSON in PostHistory, typeid = 10
 
grumble grumble
thanks
 
@TylerH vote id = 6 is deprecated 6 to 8 years ago
@TylerH try meta.stackexchange.com/a/323259/158100 but I have a newer version that is even better.
 
@rene ref: "Close (effective 2013-06-25: Close votes are only stored in table: PostHistory)" - they're no longer in Votes (cc @TylerH)
 
3:21 PM
@rene that explains why it stopped returning results after 2013
 
Funny that they show the 'star this query' button for logged out users...
also @rene thank you for giving me 1 million close votes in that case statement :-)
 
@TylerH hmm, pretty sure we don't have a bug report for that. Care to make one? I've a bunch of small stuff pending approval: github.com/StackExchange/StackExchange.DataExplorer/pulls
 
Hmm... well that's a tad disheartening; I only have a 23% closure rate over time; only ~10k questions are closed out of ~44.5k votes.
Actually I guess the query might not count deleted items?
 
correct
PostHistory is sanatized
 
3:35 PM
that's more assuring
@rene I might post an issue but I probably won't be able to post a PR since I don't know how they check for logged in users.
 
@rene I knew it, PostHistory is a keyword of a satan cult.
 
@TylerH I'm happy to make the PR based on your report so don't worry about that. I just don't want to PR out of nowhere.
 
@rene Thinking about it a bit more, it does actually make sense to show the star this query option for logged out users because that's how they show it when it actually does have stars
 
@Braiam :D
 
So really it should just have something like a tooltip added explaining what it is and an error modal show when a logged out user tries to click it
but those are quite small fish to fry...
 
Ron
3:56 PM
o/
 
or rather developer support (?)
 
4:31 PM
Sorry, forgot to warn the folks in here
 
you will be reported to the mods for your transgression :P
 
 
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5:52 PM
 
6:13 PM
I have a post, that's a typo. I was sent to Help & Improvement from Triage, and it's now been edited. It's still a typo. Is it OK to edit such post in that queue?
 
6:31 PM
@Scratte Is it OK to edit in H&I? Editing posts is generally what that queue is for. There are caveats, given the normal things like not being the first to edit a closed question. I'm a bit unclear what you're asking here. You say that it's been edited in H&I, but it's been in Triage. The way that you're paragraph is structured "that queue" refers to the last queue you mentioned, so Triage. Are you asking wrt. editing in Triage? Are you asking about editing now, or when it was in H&I?
 
@Makyen Sorry. I meant: Is it OK to edit a post that's a typo in the Help & Improvement queue when it doesn't bring the post into being OK?
The post isn't closed. It was just sent there from Triage.
 
@Scratte Yes. While the best result would have been for Triage to end with the question moving to the CV queue, it's now in H&I. It's probably better to end the H&I -> Triage -> H&I loop by editing and then flagging/voting for closure (after you've edited to get it out of H&I) Worst case is that it makes it harder for people to see that it's a typo. A better case is that it makes it more clear that it's a typo.
 
6:50 PM
It's unlikely to be in Triage again. It was edited and it no longer in H&I. It's still obvious to me that it's a typo, and it's not my technology, so I assume it will be obvious to others. It even has a comment saying that :) I assume my pending flag has put it into the close vote queue.
 
7:15 PM
@Makyen May I ask a FR for the Stack Exchange CV Request Generator user script?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Of course.
 
@Makyen It would be nice to have an option to choose between [tag:cv-pls]and [tag:delv-pls], what do you think?
Am I the 1st with this idea??
As I am at it. An optional dropdown with commonly used close reasons would also be nice. I am a total idiot when it comes to Java Script, would contribute a pull at the repo otherwise.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I take it you're not using the alpha version of the request generator.
 
Probably not?
@Makyen Updated just now, ty.
 
7:32 PM
ah.. I wondered why the stable one seems to have very old jquery. refer here. Surely needs to be updated ?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ There are an assortment of single character substitutions which allow you to add common close reasons using a single character. The alpha version will show you a tooltip of them, if you hover over the input box. There's also a preview of the request, but it's disabled at the moment, because SE updating to Commonmark completely changed how they were dealing with in-page Markdown conversion, which caused the code for the preview to both break and cause other, additional problems.
@SurajRao meh. If the person isn't using Greasemonkey, then the recommended version is the alpha version. The jQuery update is only to get around an issue in Violentmonkey, which isn't Greasemonkey :), so there's little reason for people affected to not be using the alpha version.
 
I am using Tampermonkey on Chrome. I suspect there aren't any problemz with that?
 
@SurajRao Basically, unless there's a need for someone using Violentmonkey to use the "stable" release, I'm not enthusiastic about putting in the time to test everything (on multiple OS/browsers/userscript manager combinations) just to update the "stable" version when there's a viable alternative. Overall, I feel the development time can be better spent on other tasks (again, unless there's a need for it to happen, for some reason).
 
Moved to alpha. Stable isn't stable with violent monkey
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Nope. The only compatibility issue with the alpha version is with Greasemonkey on Firefox, which is a long story (my most recent retelling of the long story).
@SurajRao Basically, the only reason the alpha version is "alpha" is that it doesn't work with Greasemonkey. Working with Greasemonkey is and has been a goal. Unfortunately, Greasemonkey made breaking changes, which require substantial reworking of the Request Generator. Fortunately, async/await has finally become available on the most recent version of all supported browsers. So, with using those, it's not nearly as much of a pain in the rear as it once was to make the needed changes.
 
7:49 PM
@Makyen Wow, and it also supports sending requests to the TATM. Great work guys! I'll spend you all a beer if we ever meet in RL. Take me by the word.
LOL gabilliointh is new for me. What's that in umpteenths?
 
oops, I mispelled it
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Thanks. Yes, it has a significant number of improvements.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels The oi?
 
@πάνταῥεῖ Yes, the "oi"
"gabillion" "gabillionth"
 
I'd guess one gabillion = a zillion umpteenths
 
7:54 PM
Google doesn't seem to know what "tatm" means :(
 
@Scratte Yes, we keep our own urban dictionary here ;)
 
Yes, it's very inclusive.
 
@Makyen BTW: if anyone knows a call-graph generator for ES6 JavaScript which is actually functional, having that would be quite a bit of help. I've searched, but everything I've found is broken/outdated/doesn't support ES6. What would be really ideal is an IDE which supported a capability something like "make function and call-chain async" and then changed every function, in every call chain for the selected function, to an async function which then uses await for the next thing down.
 
I also looked at Stack Exchange Glossary - Dictionary of Commonly-Used Terms which also didn't know what it meant.
 
8:02 PM
@Scratte It's not one I immediately recognized, but I was able to decode it, mostly because I know what the Request Generator does, what improvements were added, and where @πάνταῥεῖ hangs out. :; Personally, I've seen "The Tavern" as a more common way to refer to that chat room.
 
I just invented it on the fly. Guess @Makyen got it.
 
Wouldn't it be TOTM?
 
Probably yes.
 
@RyanM No. It's meant to be hard to figure out.
 
@Scratte ITYM IMTBHTFO
 
8:06 PM
@RyanM Y, TY :)
 
@RyanM Can't resist :)
 
Is this a non-programming question? stackoverflow.com/q/63891317/2943403 How to best close?
 
@mickmackusa Needs more focus (in relevance to javascript)
 
There are libraries that solve this, so you are looking for us to either write the library or to link you to it.
 
@mickmackusa There's a pretty comprehensive dupe there
 
8:45 PM
@Machavity yeah that one's not outdone by many, maybe just the NPE one
 
@Machavity OP had 3 problems, now it has 993 :D
 
lol
 
Even I know about libphonenumber and its forks.
 
9:19 PM
@TylerH I'm beginning to get all conspiratorial: Have you and your pal, Makyen, tweaked one of the userscripts to hide all new C++ posts from me until your other pal (Nathan) has had a chance to scoop my answer? ;-) Haven't seen a question worth answering for nearly three days!
 
It's not a conspiracy. Everyone is trying to help you start your quest for the shiny Lifejacket badge
 
@Scratte We don't do life-jackets in C++ ... we leave that to those who use silly stuff, like Java or Python. xD
 
@AdrianMole Hmm.. I suppose c is not close enough? Just found one for c :)
 
If it's "How do I write this C code in Java" (or vice-versa) I'm not interested.
 
..taking it to the ministry :)
 
9:34 PM
@AdrianMole ... and those who do silly stuff in c++ we call leg shooters ;)
 
@AdrianMole Thank you for the clever idea >:-D
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9:48 PM
@AdrianMole Dang... I thought it would be longer before you noticed. :)
 
Rumbled.
 
10:05 PM
@AdrianMole Must be for you only. I've answered one at least today ;)
Have to admit it was a very low hanging fruit, and I was bored.
 
@πάνταῥεῖ I have seen some (there was that one we discussed yesterday). But maybe I'm just less "in need of rep." than I was a year ago? I pass over lots of Qs that I would once have posted a cheap answer to, in order to get my +15/+25, or whatever.
 
Yeah, eagerness for rep lowers down significantly.
 
... some folks don't seem to tire of the FFIW approach, though.
 
10:22 PM
 
10:37 PM
Is anyone having issues with chat rooms needing to be refreshed in order to render properly and not have issues like links not being clickable?
Started in the last few days and there are so many things it could be...userscript updates, Firefox Nightly updates, SO changes...
 
Not seeing that. It's probably not Stack Overflow. Not using firefox though.
 
I'm using Firefox and having no problems at all.
 
Unfortunately if it's a Firefox issue, it would almost certainly affect only Nightly users
Downside to testing early releases of software :-p
 
10:53 PM
The SD report looks like spam to me? the answer and linked page don't seem to have anything to do with the question.
 
Agreed, definitely spam
 
@RyanM Hey, you are the unsung heroes of us stable users. (Thouth, I've found weird bugs in stable too, see bizarre PinP behavior and timebomb cert on extensions)
 
@Braiam I need to do a better job of reporting bugs to Firefox though...right now I'm mostly useful for telemetry ^^; but I'm a great telemetry subject because I abuse it by having way too many tabs open
...same with my phone and pre-release Android testing. I have, by the count in the Play Store, 244 apps installed.
 
@RyanM I was going to flex about my thousands of tabs in several windows and closed the entire browser pressing ctrl+q
 
Luckily you can always restore last session
 
11:05 PM
Yea, but took a hot minute to kill all processes
 
@Braiam Current browser status ...after just closing like 8 tabs
But yeah, the "warn before closing" feature is a must for me ^^; it's enabled in all my browsers after closing all my tabs one too many times
I don't think I've ever crossed 1000 tabs. That'd be a lot even for me. I've probably hit 500 though. I try to be a little more organized than that, though, and clean them up before it gets there. More than 300 is too chaotic; I try to keep it under 200.
 
@RyanM jeez, how much RAM do you have on that thing?
 
@MarcoBonelli 32GB. I rarely max it except for memory leaks, but I quite regularly run out of VRAM. I more frequently max the RAM on my work laptop, which also has 32GB but is used for Android dev + similarly heavy Chrome usage.
 
@RyanM oh wow, I did not expect that to hold all those tabs. Is it Chrome?
 
@MarcoBonelli Nope, Firefox. Part of the secret is that most of the tabs aren't loaded, due to frequently restarting the browser for updates :-)
It's actually nice, I just take an update whenever the browser gets a bit sluggish or when I want to clear VRAM for a game
this is totally a normal way to use a computer
 
11:17 PM
@RyanM How do you even keep track of 200+ tabs???
 
@RyanM oh right, lazy loading tabs probably has a lot to do with it.
 
@KenWhite I would have said it was more general computing?
 
@Nick They're organized into windows by topic (with occasional reorganization where needed), plus typing into the address bar also searches tabs by title. I used pinned tabs for communication pages as well...I should probably pin SOCVR and CHQ in my SO window...
 
In my case it was windows and virtual desktops and monitors.
 
11:44 PM
@Nick Yeah, that one was a split decision. I wasn't sure which would be applicable, so I went with the more generic "Needs more focus".
 
@Braiam I'm speechless. I have about 30 open...
 

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