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1:38 AM
@10Rep May I ask what language this is?
 
2:02 AM
@bad_coder Tajik? That's what it said.
But that's according to google.
 
 
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4:27 AM
@AlonEitan There isn't really any indication that is the problem; OP evens says they tried using ob_start and ob_end. White screen suggest a server error instead. It really needs debugging details
 
@Nick NP, but my voting is based only by the code in the question
 
What would be the best option to close this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/63295448/…
 
@AlonEitan I've made my vote...
 
Thank you :)
 
@bad_coder OPs actual problem is that they're searching for a string in a list of integers...
 
5:04 AM
@Nick haha that's good. That was a duplicate I had raised months ago and simply aged away.
^^ The answer on this question is pretty reasonable, a mod could merge the duplicate to the original.
 
 
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6:59 AM
maybe this NAA would deserve a mod flag (SD ML) stackoverflow.com/a/63296616/874188
 
@tripleee I think it's R/A
 
@Nick thanks, I already spent my flag on marking it as NAA
 
@E_net4isnotfunny That was good for a laugh, they got exactly what the question wizard told them had happened to similar questions...
 
7:16 AM
@Nick Some times I think there might be some sort of competition too see how fast a Question gets closed, or how many downvotes it can get.
 
7:53 AM
@Scratte yeah, you might be right. But when you post a code dump and the rest of the question is "Many similarly phrased questions have received feedback like downvotes or requests for improvements" repeated enough times to get over the words/code ratio then you should expect that.
 
Yes, but I think they lost the bet.
 
8:06 AM
^ may be something for statistics.SE?
 
Wouldn't migrate it to Stats SE
 
@desertnaut How did you manage to close as "not about programming"? I couldn't find this option
 
@janw custom - the last option in community-specific reasons
you write the reason yourself
 
Oh, and this one also adds the "This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in the help center." in the "closed" notice?
 
yes
@janw when voting to migrate to some other SE site, you have to be careful not to send garbage their way
when in doubt, prefer no to, and close for some other reason
 
8:23 AM
@desertnaut Ok, thanks for clarifying :) I indeed wasn't sure with this one.
 
anytime
 
Is this JavaScript Question considered a typo?
 
@Scratte I reckon so...
 
8:38 AM
I see.. and no option to do the review in Triage now :D
 
9:01 AM
@AdrianMole Snopes Has an interesting read about early machine translation and the example you showed.
 
@AdrianHHH Heh.. but it makes perfect sense :) "Invisible insanity."
 
@Scratte Yes perfect translation, simplified to get the underlying meaning, convert the language and produce hilarious results. I have no idea whether the examples are real or made up but they have been quoted for many years.
 
9:20 AM
Is that "Responses" tab under /Profile/Activity new? I suddenly have a blue 1 there whenever someone responded to one of my comments (even though I've already clicked on the corresponding notification)
 
@AdrianHHH There was a Danish comedian that did translations of danish common phrasing into non-sensible English. The funny part about it was that every Danish person would understand the phrase. Like "I thought it enough", which would have been properly translated into "I thought so".
@janw No :) I think it's been there all the time I have been here :)
 
@Scratte I think all the time I have been here, too; so no, it's not new
 
Weird. I cannot recall ever seeing that blue "1" there, or at least I didn't have to dismiss it manually by clicking on that tab. Will monitor this
 
@janw I think you have come back from a parallel universe. I routinely see that little number and it's rarely "1" :)
 
@Scratte That may be an explanation :D Or I am still sleeping...
 
9:28 AM
@janw How is close voting agreeing with you, btw? Are you spending all of them?
 
@Scratte I spent 25 yesterday, and I'm already down to 29 today :)
But it is certainly a different experience than flagging, where there may still be a slightly higher tolerance for mistakes
 
I figure it's sort of like graduating in SOCVR :)
 
That's how it feels, actually ;)
 
The higher tolerance depends on perspective, I suppose. For someone like me, that's paranoid and in fear of the declined flag, close voting may feel like less risky.
 
@Scratte I think this is true. I hate getting flags declined, but if other people disagree with a close vote, it will just expire harmlessly after a few days.
 
9:37 AM
@DavidBuck I assume it's also not possible for other users in the Triage queue to "dispute" a close vote.
 
@Scratte Sure, that certainly depends. When in doubt, I tended to flag, and never got a question flag declined; most of them simply aged away or got disputed. It feels like close voting has much more direct consequences, even though there of course always have to be two others taking the same action
 
@Scratte Nope. If others give different reasons then the majority wins, but it's still closed. If no-one agrees it ages away.
 
@janw I think that's because you put your flags sensibly. It's possible to get a declined close vote flag, if the post exists the close vote queue with a majority of "Leave Open"
 
@janw Having said that there is a "Leave Open" button on the close votes page. Not sure what it does...
 
@Scratte Oh sure, that of course is my own experience, and not in any case representative :)
@DavidBuck :D I've already used it ;)
 
9:42 AM
@DavidBuck It leave a "leave open" sort of vote on the review. Sort of like a "recommend deletion" (but obviously opposite).
 
Actually, that review led to a clear "Leave Open" consensus. So someone got their flag declined? :(
 
You can see those in the timeline, like: Leave Open × 3, Close × 1
@janw That's difficult to tell. It may have been flagged or it may have entered the queue on a close vote.
I'm not sure if a close vote is auto-"aged away" if the result of the close vote queue is to leave it open.
 
@Scratte But I'm not aware of there being any negative consequences against you if you were the Close x 1 and lost the vote.
 
@Scratte And this close vote doesn't show up in the review? Weird.
Is it invalidated when the consensus is "Leave Open", or does it stay and age away eventually?
 
@DavidBuck I don't think there is. It's only flags that are declined.
@janw Well.. I do not think it will. I often see a result of the queue like this "Close × 1". I assume the post had 2 close votes on it already or both were cast outside the queue.
 
9:49 AM
Seems that the votes stay: meta.stackexchange.com/a/134673
 
@janw The flag is declined if the consensus is "Leave Open". I do not know about close votes though.
So, it seems you were right. That there must have been a flagger on the example, since there are no close votes left on the post.
 
Yes, that is my interpretation of this, too
 
The only way to test it is to cast a close vote on a post that is obviously not going to get closed, and see if the vote is left on it :)
 
10:08 AM
/o
 
I asked someone to elaborate on the Question earlier. I got a reply saying they will not do it :D That's a first for me :)
 
10:26 AM
@Scratte Nice. my favourite reply to a suggestion that their answer didn't add anything over many much earlier answers was "I have no need for improvement bro."
 
@janw it's a duplicate anyway, flagged it.
 
@Lankymart I am not sure about the target. The question asks specifically about many-to-many, where there is only an implicit table
 
10:59 AM
^ anyone know a good target for Scanner.nextInt() versus Scanner.next() ?
 
11:15 AM
Hmm.. so, if one raises a flag in Triage, and the post is closed before Triage review is done, then the flag isn't registered on one's flag list.
 
@janw Is the answer to both the same? Answer: Yes
 
11:31 AM
@Nkosi FYI someone is trying to ping you on a new question here: stackoverflow.com/questions/63137406/…
 
If anyone is interested in a user script that keeps track of removed comments, there is a link to one in this comment by CertainPerformance
 
How many downvotes on the same user get reversed as serial downvoting? Just realised that I've done several on the same user through the CV queue as they've posted a group of very closable questions.
 
I think they want to keep that secret
 
@DavidBuck I'd say you should stop at 2. Rumour has it that 2 is not yet a pattern.
 
@Scratte I'll let you know. Hopefully 6 CV's against the same user won't get me into trouble.
 
3 is the minimum. I know from experience
 
12:24 PM
@Machavity On yourself or on others? :D
 
There's nothing to stop you from pattern closing a user's posts. Just don't bring said pattern in here
@Scratte Against me. Heck, I had someone do the "double drop" on me several times in a row. Never reversed
 
@Machavity Yep. Deliberately haven't mentioned anyone or cv-pls'd
 
@Machavity Wait.. that works on the same day?
 
@Scratte Sadly yes
 
That shouldn't be the case though :( I had hoped the script would check the entire date.. and a auto-flag was raised when it's done on two separate dates.
But I suspected serial votes too, but no reversal happened. Perhaps there's more to it than the isolated votes.
@DavidBuck If you get called into the red room, you have a good case anyway :) Especially because of the posts being presented to you in the queue.
 
12:33 PM
@DavidBuck 3 in short succession is considered a pattern by the script. The script is very simple...
 
I feel like we should have a SO Jobs posting. Title: close voter. Qualifications: 3k rep. Must like closing stuff. Annual salary: $0.
 
You missed me :( Title: close vote trainee. Qualifications: 15 rep. Must like closing stuff. Annual salary: $0.
 
1:10 PM
@halfer Thank you for the heads up. I'll check it out.
 
+1, no worries
 
@halfer weird, when I flag that comment it doesn't auto-disappear...
 
\o/
Note to self: must add more thanks to chat
Kind regards,
halfer
Esquire
 
Thanks
 
1:25 PM
🙏
 
@AdrianMole Prayer is an odd reaction to that. Oh, wait...
 
Are you saying I shouldn't pray for Rene's wellbeing?
 
The keyword is reaction.
 
I'm quite confused about Triage. On the overview it tells me "68 questions Triage", but I'm still allowed to review, despite having reviewed 20 posts.
 
@Scratte Is it greyed out?
 
1:33 PM
No.. and I keep getting new posts to review. Skip and Unsal... and "Looks OK" just gives me the next item.
 
Some queues allow you to do more reviews if the number is above a certain threshold. Not sure what it is for Triage
 
It cannot be just 68. Maybe I Skipped 500 today and the real number is 568 :D
 
It could also be that Triage is always 40
 
I do not think so. I remember doing 20 reviews on Triage on the first day and getting the block. -And a review-ban the following day :D
 
You clicked that one button, didn't you? :P
 
1:39 PM
No.. I didn't. I clicked "Looks OK" on a post about servers :)
I may have clicked the other one too though. But the notice was for that one ^
 
I could see it happening. Sam is very thorough
 
@Scratte That's actually quite likely (other than the 500 value).
 
I checked. I did click it twice, but for posts that are still open and only required minor editing (from anyone). One of those were actually never edited.
@AdrianMole Did you do any Triage today? If not, can you check the number?
 
@Scratte No and yes - I see 172.
 
@AdrianMole Ok. So it's probably the 150 threshold, like the other two low reputation queues. I just Skipped my way down to 68 :)
 
1:51 PM
@Lankymart IMO this question is a special case of the proposed dupe. Sure, the main concept is the same, but as seen in the accepted answer, the many-to-many relationship needs to be defined explicitly. The dupe target is simply about renaming a regular table, without the more complicated case of having an implicit many-to-many relationship table. Linking to the dupe is ok, but I wouldn't like external visitors automatically redirected to it, as it is a slightly different question.
 
2:08 PM
@halfer Esquire is a funny thing
a lot of people in the legal profession add it as a post nominal but it doesn't actually have any meaning
(in the US. UK or elsewhere is probably different, I'm sure)
They just like the way it sounds
 
@TylerH I remember that esquire is a therm of respect for others not for self
 
2:25 PM
@SmokeDetector @Machavity I think it's a "me too" post (I see you marked fpu)
 
@janw You're splitting hairs the OP asks about naming the table, the fact the code has a many-to-many relationship there is by the by and the answerer decides to home in on that. It's a straight forward dup and if the answerer want's to add to the original by focusing on many-to-many relationships they should do it there.
 
@TylerH It used to be a thing in the UK too, though yes, it's fallen out of fashion now. It's often used now for comedy effect, by aping what we think of as "posh". Such as "You can henceforth call me Sir Charlie Earwig Cholmondley-Warner Esq."
 
@TylerH Hrm...
 
@Machavity at best it could be the answerer didn't read the question correctly and thought OP wanted multiple responses, but even the it's not super helpful because it's written for a different server and site and is in Portuguese or Spanish
 
@TylerH Fair enough
 
3:07 PM
@Lankymart Maybe for context, I have been using EF (Core) with many-to-many a few months ago, and remember getting stuck at a very similar problem: Needing to create a many-to-many join table, and renaming it. I figured this out myself, as EF Core forces you to define the join tables explicitly via the Fluent API, but as EF6 does this implicitly, it is a bit less obvious. Thus, moving the many-to-many answer to the other question does IMO not really make sense, as it is not about join tables.
...however, the question probably isn't so good that it is worth further arguing about that, so let's agree to disagree - I also see that it is closed now, so it's too late anyway. I just couldn't let this stay uncommented :)
 
@10Rep Looks like it
 
Ok, just wanted to be sure.
 
yes, there is a similar NAA already deleted too
 
3:21 PM
 
Obviously
 
@Dharman I flagged an answer like that once, it got declined. So I want to be sure.
 
This is not an answer, it should be a downvote.
If an answer doesn't work you can post an alternative, but if you just want to say that the answer is wrong you should downvote
 
@Dharman Or a comment.
My flag got declined, even though it's an update, not a self answer. stackoverflow.com/a/48626172/12708583
 
It looks like it is an attempt to answer at least
 
3:26 PM
@Dharman Yeah, but in the end he said he will try to upgrade Ionic. It's a bad answer, so I downvoted.
 
@TylerH Just saw your edit...I thought the question was rather clear (apart from a few minor flaws). Your edit IMHO completely changes its meaning. It was about renaming the auto-generated many-to-many join table (as shown in the accepted answer), which is a scenario definitely happening. It is not about class generation - not sure why OP even mentioned that, since the question seems to be about code-first. To be honest, I really wonder whether I am utterly misunderstanding something here... :(
 
Yeah, bad answer, but it still looks kind of like an answer
 
What about this? It's like an update, but not a full answer. Not NAA, right?
 
@Dharman Hello Dharman, I see that you deleted two posts answered by me today. It doesn't seem to have downvotes on it.
 
I have?
Share links. I probably saw no lasting value in them.
 
I didn't vote to delete the first one.
 
@Dharman It was answered in 2016. So, if I have 100 votes on a particular answer and you could still delete it because you didn't find a value in 2025
Please note that these are the same questions answered everyday in R in 2020 and nobody is deleting it
 
In over 4 years these answers got only 2 upvotes each and questions have fewer than 1000 views. I don't think these questions were helping many people find the duplicate targets
 
Both questions have, on average, been viewed less than 75 times per year since they were posted. How is that "lasting value"?
 
@akrun Once again I have to say that this is a problem, we need more people closing and deleting stuff. We need help from people like you who have enough reputation to close and delete. We don't want duplicate answers, we don't want unclear questions. They need to go.
 
3:40 PM
@Dharman As an experiment, I was trying actively to close the dupes everyday. What I noticed from that experiment is that the same person who answers the question that was dupe tagged, answers the same question next day. I give up with that kind of response. Even a coterie of people are upvoting those.
@Dharman A group by min, max is often asked, but still answers as here stackoverflow.com/questions/63297824/…
 
Also, an answer that says "We can try" without any explanation is generally not the best answer. I don't always downvote them, but I think we should be explaining our solutions even if it is just a single function call. Otherwise what do we teach people? Just copy-paste
@akrun I feel your pain. PHP has a similar problem. My solution to this was to be even more active. Downvote, close and delete more.
 
@janw the way I read it OP was wanting a class to get generated so he could rename that to match the new table, and the problem was that the class wasn't getting generated.
 
This room is also amazing and can help with closing and deleting. We have a lot of active people here.
 
@janw At first glance I thought it was just about "what should I rename the table to" and thus quite off-topic
 
Googling doesn't always give a response within seconds. To match an answer, I have to do a bit of research. If this involves everyday, and the persons who answers dupe questions are infact getting more points, then it is a waste of time IMHO
@Dharman you said We can try is a problem. Then what about stackoverflow.com/questions/63297224/…
 
3:45 PM
In regards to deleting dupes, we should be focusing on the old ones that have little views and little upvotes. If people are not finding these questions from search then why do we keep them? New questions closed as duplicate can still turn out to be a good signpost, so it makes sense to leave them around for few months.
 
@TylerH Oh, ok. Well, in EF code-first one defines their model, and EF automatically generates the tables. For many-to-many it creates join tables, which get an automatic name (MachineSoftwares here). OP asked how they can rename this table. Mind if I rollback and edit the question, to be more clear towards my understanding and that of the accepted answer?
 
^^ more focus would also fit
 
@janw I see, so you rename a table by renaming the auto-generated class in EF
and the class didn't get generated even though the table appears to be created
so OP doesn't know how to rename it
that makes more sense :-)
and that makes the dupe make a bit more sense as well
 
Actually, there usually aren't any auto-generated classes in code-first, only the ones of the migration.
I guess OP just got a bit confused there
 
4:06 PM
I edited it, and the answer, too. Hopefully it is more clear now :)
 
@AdrianMole Is there any evidence of malice?
 
@Dharman What are you referring to?
 
Misclick
 
@Dharman It's clearly the poster's own blog and that fact is not disclosed.
 
Can we continue in Charcoal?
@Daniil Why should we delete it here?
 
4:23 PM
@Daniil Could probably be flagged as VLQ.
 
user12867493
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I did
 
Does anyone know what "team View support" on facebook is?
 
@Scratte never heard of it. Do they mean TeamViewer (the program) instead?
 
@Scratte Facebook? Is that still a thing?
 
yes, it's TikTok for old people
 
4:38 PM
@oguzismail almost as many users as the populations of India and China combined, and you think it's not still a thing?
 
5:03 PM
@JeanneDark also homework
 
@AndrasDeak That's not a close reason :D
 
No, it's a deletion reason :P
and arguably some people might be more picky with requirement dumps when cheating is involved
 
I rather SO don't try to enforce someone else rules, we have enough trying to enforce our guidance
 
@TylerH Well, no one uses it anymore
 
5:35 PM
@TylerH I don't mean anything as such. Someone asked me and gave their facebook profile url..
@oguzismail I'm pretty sure lots of people still use it :)
 
@Braiam which "someone else"?
And what "rules"?
 
6:03 PM
@AndrasDeak Who is the asker cheating
 
I thought "cheating at your homework/exam is unethical" was a fairly universal notion :)
 
@AndrasDeak There isn't a prohibition on SO for those.
As long as you have a practical question about software engineering, it is cool.
 
@AndrasDeak I think there's a meta post about this. It's not up to Stack Overflow to ensure user do not cheat somewhere else.
Though I do not like it. I'd prefer education actually educated :)
 
The real problem with homework dumps is that they make for terrible questions
... and their propensity for shape shifting.
 
6:20 PM
How can you tell? You may only see the bad ones. There could be just as many good ones where you just don't realize it's homework :)
 
@Scratte If we don't realize it's homework, then it's not a homework dump IMHO
because they asked a specific question
rather than just dumping the entire assignment and asking us to do it for them
In other news, I've found a new entry for the "least useful attempt at sharing code" competition: i.stack.imgur.com/OHQdE.jpg
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@RyanM That was very nicely put :)
 
@oguzismail right, no one except the 2.3 billion people I just mentioned :-)
 
@RyanM Do I see one very long red squiggly line there? :D
 
@RyanM I thought that was a screenshot of a space sim game and I was looking at a yellow star
 
6:24 PM
@Scratte that is, in fact, what the asker was complaining about. why it's happening, I have no idea, because I can't read it...
 
@RyanM Oh, it took me a while to understand what I was looking at. A screenshot of a smudgy monitor with a light shining on it. Might be the camera flash or just a lightbulb/sun.
 
@RyanM I have a question.. about an android Question, if you don't mind. I can't seem to be able to identify if the edit made it good enough.
 
@VLAZ My money's on camera flash
@Scratte I believe your comment 7 hours ago correctly identified the issue: there's no variable i
 
@RyanM Thanks. I'll keep my flag on it then :) But I will say that the post had some major improvements :D
 
np :-)
 
6:29 PM
@RyanM that's definitely what it is
 
@RyanM Never heard of a "StreamBulder". Is that an Android thing?
 
@Scratte Flutter thing
so sorta Android
 
Ah. I always get a little worried when I see what I think is a Java thing, that I've never seen before :D
 
if it were Java it would be a StreamBuilderFactoryCreatorFactory
 
6:45 PM
@AndrasDeak Are you sure that's not too short?
 
@RyanM There's a glaring issue with this approach...
 
@Scratte Looks like I am indeed going to spend all my close votes today :)
I only saved one for a special occasion ;)
@janw And that one is gone now, too...
 
7:16 PM
"Bad!"?
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Yeah, it was so terrible that the server didn't allow me to see it.
 
@Braiam Now that is pretty darn bad
 
7:36 PM
Is this NAA? What is this link? stackoverflow.com/a/29280531/1839439
 
@Dharman I have no idea. But it can zoom in.. and out :)
 
@Dharman It was a image, that is now dead.
A url shortener of sort.
 
@Dharman Dead link at the bare minimum. Gone
 
@JohnDvorak hahaha...well played.
 
@Braiam Thanks, I just found a question on SO explaining it. stackoverflow.com/questions/2089360/…
 
7:48 PM
@Dharman oof
 
oof what? Stack Overflow helps :D
I get all my culinary recipes off Stack Overflow
 
> Baking in a blender sounds like a terrible idea ... if you lack any knowledge about 3d modelling.
 
@Dharman Netbeans on toast?
 
And Cocoa drink
 
@Dharman lol...4000x6000 pixels -> large image in 2010...my reaction
@Dharman that's what the tag is for, right?
 
7:56 PM
And for dessert
 
@Andreas Not really sure what your argument is here. Could you possibly explain to a non-expert?
 
8:19 PM
@AdrianMole I have to reject that; while the original edit shouldn't have been approved due to it being copied content, once it's there, it shouldn't just be blanked out. That definitely makes the tag less useful, which is something description edits should not do. cc @Andreas
 
@TylerH Isn't it sort of spam?
 
@TylerH OK, copied content. I guess that's what Andreas meant by 'spam'? That's what I was confused about.
 
It's not really spam because it's a legitimate question topic for Stack Overflow
How are you supposed to describe the tag without talking about the product the tag is for?
It's a bit too promotional in tone, but 'spam' is definitely the wrong way to describe it
The excerpt edit suggestion is OK because it just removes the editorialized text rather than blanking out the entire description
if I could edit suggestions myself, I would do that instead of approving, though, because it needs a bit more detail, ideally
 
I've supported your review, now, @TylerH. Just thought it would be better to get some feedback from the crew.
 
It just strike me that one can just put an advertisement on a tag here. And it will be kept.
 
8:25 PM
Well, if the tag is for a proprietary product, the 'free advertising' is sort of inevitable, is not?
 
"Are you managing a budget or a cost estimator in an Excel spreadsheet, trading emails with sales people in the field and doing manual data entry just to accurately bid projects for customers? Use Power Apps.." <-- really? We want to keep that?
 
@Scratte Well, ideally an advertisement would be rejected. This one wasn't, for some reason, unfortunately (bad reviewers, probably). However, even though it's editorial in tone (our product is great! It does all these things so well!), it still describes the tag (our product does these things).
So an edit shouldn't just delete all the text wholesale; instead it should remove the editorializing stuff. Or if you delete all the advertise-y stuff, replace it with your own description of what the product does
 
No. But some overview about why a product is good is surely allowable. And links to the website.
 
I understand what you're saying. I just disagree. I'd rather have it empty than keeping that.
I mean it was empty before the advertisement.. it can be empty again.
 
@Scratte Well, TylerH and I gave "no improvement..." as our reject reason; but other reviewers may have gone with vandalism.
 
8:29 PM
I...think I'd have approved that edit. The whole thing is plagiarized, on top of it being absurdly promotional. (see 1, 2)
 
@AdrianMole That's even worse! That's like saying "We keep spam because we don't want to vandalize posts"
 
I'm writing a replacement now, don't worry
@Scratte if the tag were used 0 times, I'd agree with deleting it
 
@RyanM I tried to search for it being plagiarized, since it had that smell.. but my browser didn't find it :( How did you do it?
 
@Scratte Not really. The text could have been edited to make it both less plagiaristic and less advertorial. Wiping out the entire post was inappropriate (unless it was actual spam).
 
I mean, it wouldn't be removing the tag. That content all needed to go, so the edit would have improved the situation (and then someone could later add a proper tag wiki).
The correct thing to do (if you don't want to rewrite it) is probably send a custom mod flag citing the plagiarism.
 
8:33 PM
@TylerH I'll save one "Suggested Edits" review for you, if you like. Feel free to ping me if you would like me to review your version (if that's within Room Roolz).
 
@Scratte I searched "PowerApps connects to the cloud services and data sources you're already using, giving business analysts and specialists the ability to quickly build" and "Are you managing a budget or a cost estimator in an Excel spreadsheet, trading emails with sales people in the field and doing manual data entry just to accurately bid projects for customers" on Google
 
@AdrianMole Hmm.. are there any rules about rejecting an edit that removes plagiarism? :)
 
@AdrianMole same here, want to make sure no one sees the edit and thinks the original is better
 
@Scratte Not sure on that one.
 
Lucky you, I won't mention it anywhere ;)
@AdrianMole It's not, since RyanM would gain reputation from it.. but you can do it in the Ministry :)
 
8:38 PM
You mean TylerH would gain rep. (assuming they still can from tag wiki edits).
 
The new suggested edit is in the queue
@AdrianMole I believe I can still earn rep for suggested edits, yes.
I think I only have 500 or so suggested edits, so I could go on for quite some time earning rep from tag edit suggestions if I don't hit 20k first due to rep gain elsewhere
 
Ohh. Sorry, I read that wrong. It was TylerH. But suggested always come with reputation gain.
 
or was it 500 rep from suggested edits... I can't recall
@Scratte Not always. Once you have earned 1,000 reputation from suggested edits, you can't earn anymore
 
@TylerH True.. but I figured you hadn't reached that. And I didn't check :)
 
1,000 rep. (or 500 edits).
 
8:41 PM
..now I checked :) You can still gain some :)
 
@AdrianMole we should just make it 2,000 for everything
2,000 edits, 2000 rep, whichever you hit first
simplify it all
 
@Scratte What TylerH did is what Andreas should have done in the first place.
 
@AdrianMole It's not; you can't request actions on your own content :-)
 
Oops..
 
But I can request a review-pls, is not? (Cuz I did already.)
 
8:44 PM
I suppose you can. Since you have nothing to gain.
 
@AdrianMole Sure, I suppose that's allowed
It looks like the user who created it originally was the product/team lead or something similar for it. Even worse...
If I were a mod I might retroactively hand out review suspensions for those users who approved the original
 
Well, considering the 'history' and the discussion we had, I'm sure the other ROs will understand that there was no ill intent here.
 
In b4 Makyen and Machavity come in and ban me for 152 years
 
I think this actually came up when Andreas made the edit to blank.
 
Only 152 years? You should be so lucky!
 
8:46 PM
It's 3200 TylerH, not 152 :)
 
@Scratte Yep. I raised it here when I came across it in the Review Queue.
 
Aaaand the plagiarized mess is gone :-)
 
... and TylerH gets a wee green bubble-boost.
 
@AdrianMole I do not remember what the consensus was in that discussion though.
 
Well-deserved, that was a very nice improvement to that tag wiki
 
8:48 PM
All's well that ends well, heh?
 
Not until the universe resets :)
 
Indeed. At least in this case :-)
 
@Scratte they owe me :-P
 
The overall outcome is that members of this room, through collective, curative action, have made the site content significantly better. Isn't that the Room's Main Mission?
 
I think that's the site mission.. oh, no.. make the internet better :)
 
8:59 PM
btw, @AdrianMole nice job; I see you are on track to hitting 20k this month some time, most likely
 
@TylerH Possibly. But there seems to a current drought on questions that are (a) worth answering and (b) not swooped upon by the "Big-Boys" of the C/C++ tags. :-)
 
You aren't too far from Big Boy status yourself at this rate :-P
I'm sure you'll be at 25k by the end of the year, at least.
 
9:53 PM
 
 
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11:11 PM
 
@AdrianMole I made a moderator flag on that and another edit. I expected the moderator to act on my suggested edits, but they ignored them. The flag was marked as helpful.
 
@Andreas OK. I hope you're happy with the outcome of the discussion in here, in terms of what that tag wiki now looks like.
 
Flag: This is a random post. This flag is about <tag1> and <tag2>. The first tag is/was spam/advertising. The edit history also clearly shows this. The last one is/was either plagiarism, or spam/advertising. The users involved (1, 2, 3), are/were employees at <>. I can also remember having come across <> employees using tags as ads in the past. I have no links/evidence of that.
Response: helpful - I don't see a problem with removing outdated info & fixing the name, no different to changing "StackOverflow" to "Stack Overflow". yeah the latter one's from <> but I wouldn't call it plagiarism
@AdrianMole I have not yet read the discussion.
 
11:27 PM
What can anyone make of this? stackoverflow.com/a/63310230/12708583
 
@10Rep looks NAA to me
 
@AndrasDeak Was about to flag it as such.
 
seems to address the previous answer with a version of their own code that they applied it to
not sure if robo reviewers will agree, though
 
I don't understand the context of the answer, but it seems as if he's replying.
Thanks
 
@AdrianMole @TylerH @Scratte @RyanM I have read the discussion, but haven’t looked at the new edit by Tyler, yet. (Will do so tomorrow, on desktop instead of mobile). Your discussion is useful, but you lacked necessary information, like knowing there were 2 tags with the same users involved, and not just 1, and also that I’d raised a moderator flag. I censored the flag message/response in an attempt to not moderate users, in here, though the tag edit itself is just that.
 
11:46 PM
@Andreas I don't think that context is relevant to handling the suggested edit. That said, as I said above, I would've approved it, because the content that was there never should've been approved in the first place, and your edit restored it to the state it would have been in if the bad edits had never been applied.
Regarding the moderator flag, if 100% of the content is plagiarized, it's helpful to call that out, and also link to specific evidence (e.g., " I can also remember having come across <> employees using tags as ads in the past. I have no links/evidence of that." is pretty much gonna get ignored).
It also sounds like you're referring to revisions 3/4 here as problematic, which they aren't: failure to remove plagiarized spam is not a rule violation (though approving edits with it may result in review suspensions).
@10Rep just flag NAA
There's no reason to spend delete votes on that
 
@RyanM I didn't know it would be like that. Hold on...
 
absolutely no way that flag is getting declined unless a moderator's cat steps on their keyboard while they're handling it
 
There. The answer's been around a while, and there's an NAA flag on it, but it's not deleted for some reason
 
Presumably because the NAA flag hasn't been reviewed yet. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I really don't see any reason not to let LQP/mods get that one.
 
@RyanM For me NAA flags get reviewed within 3 hours
 
11:53 PM
Is the flag not still pending?
I've flagged it as well or I'd check the queue for it
 
Still pending!
 
@RyanM All 3 users from the same company, working on the same product. It is not an edit from a random user. It is a problematic edit because of that, and the other tag wiki.
 
@Andreas If I edit an Android tag wiki that I don't know is plagiarized and remove incorrect info, have I done something wrong?
 
Admittedly I wouldn't leave something like that intact, but not everyone is quite as focused on curation...
 
11:57 PM
@RyanM You’re not a colleague of the original editor. You’re not working on the product. You’re not a part of one and the same team advertising their products across multiple tags.
 

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