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00:01
Ohh they really did create a new account. The question looks totally different. If not for a fact that I am stalking them I would not see it.
Should I mod flag?
@TylerH I really don't see that as being "Meta consensus". It's just the position of some of the more visible moderators. The community seems opposed to it, and always has been.
@E_net4iswelcoming As far as trash tags go, that one... isn't.
@CodyGray I haven't looked closely, but it could be a trash tag as in "a tag that attracts trash" rather than "a tag that is trash"
@NobodyNada You could say the same about PHP
@JohannesKuhn On balance, I feel that closing a question as a duplicate is more helpful than closing it as a typo. You can explain the typo in the comments, and then mark it as a duplicate of a canonical or another closely related question. Another advantage of closing it as a duplicate is it can be done by a single gold-badge holder, who is in the best position to assess both whether it's a duplicate and whether answering it would offer any lasting value.
@NobodyNada Yes, I assumed the former is what was meant. A better name for these is "honeypot" tags, but either way, this one really isn't bad.
@CodyGray You can re-open and close it again. Full cycle :)
00:13
I originally VTC'd as unclear; now that the question has been edited I know which dupe target to pick
@JohannesKuhn Nah, I'm not going to do that. I don't see the point. Just some advice for the future.
@CodyGray Eh, the would be duplicate already have +3k questions linking to it. I doubt it would present novel search terms for the corpus.
I did vote-to-close as duplicate. It was closed as duplicate. It was reopened. Then closed again. Not sure what I should do different next time.
@Dharman a very minor quibble with a recent edit of yours on this question - the "Visual Studio" that you removed from the title did help to summarize the problem...or it would have, if they hadn't mixed up Visual Studio with Visual Studio Code... (I've corrected the problems).
Also I took a peek at your recent edit history and it is very impressive...major props for all that cleanup work :-)
I'm sorry, my bad
right, the stalker gets stalked
00:16
No worries, easily fixed :-) didn't want to clutter the post with a comment so I poked you here
@tripleee That is wrong. There absolutely is such a policy. I don't know what sort of confusion led to that comment, but I will poke about.
@Braiam No, probably not. But that's not a reason not to close as a duplicate. That's just a reason not to keep the duplicate stub around.
@CodyGray I prefer using delete votes more efficiently ;)
is a great example of a tag that's a honeypot for trash, IMO
If a close reason would save 3 delete votes for other posts, then of course I prefer the community to save them.
There are more users capable of closing questions than deleting them, so delete votes have more intrinsic value than close votes, which has more intrinsic value than regular votes.
@NobodyNada Seems like that's a dupe of calling C code from Swift, not Objective C. I picked a different dupe. Do you disagree with that? Should I add the Obj-C one, too?
@Braiam I don't see how this is inefficient. I'm simply saying, as a general rule, prefer closing as dupe over closing as typo.
I didn't dig into the history in @JohannesKuhn's specific example. If I did that on everything, I'd never get through the transcript.
@RyanM Yeah, grunting and mumbling sounds don't make for a great start.
00:25
@CodyGray It's fine :). (I just ignore the part when I'm not here, and never read the transcript.) But yeah, if several reasons apply, I usually pick one. And someone will almost always complain.
@CodyGray Objective-C is a superset of C; the setup needed is exactly the same for C and Objective-C. The other dupe's OK but not very helpful; it tells you that you can call C from Swift using bridging headers, but it isn't specific on how to set that up using Xcode's GUI, which is what the OP is confused about here.
May 31 at 21:37, by Braiam
I go: off topic, unclear, opinion based, too broad, duplicate.
Duplicate for me is a question on good standing, just that happened to be asked before.
@NobodyNada OK, it looked to me like the canonical about Objective-C was talking about modules and a bunch of setup stuff that would be unnecessary for pure C.
@CodyGray The important part is setting up the bridging header; it's just a .h file that basically gets auto-#included into Swift code.
I'm not sure what reference to modules you're looking at. Some of the answers dive into a couple special-cases like importing C system libraries, but the relevant answers for this question are the 1st and 3rd ones.
00:41
OK. In my defense, I didn't read; I just skimmed. Very quickly.
@CodyGray not a problem, thanks for the help!
@halfer I think we ruined @AndrasDeak's fun.
> Viridis colormap is good, jet is bad.
That's like saying in R: ggplot2 is good, base is bad.
I'm imagining a "jet" color map as being all jet black. :-)
Probably, base R graphs are notoriously shades of grey.
Oh, look at that Viridis has a palette for R base and ggplot graphs
00:49
"Viridis colormap is good, jet is bad." @AndrasDeak would get along well with my partner, who hates Jet with a fiery burning passion :-)
Oh, jet is just a rainbow.
That's... a dumb name for a rainbow color map.
plasma looks nice. viridis doesn't look all that uniform to me.
The problem with Jet is that it isn't perceptually uniform: blogs.mathworks.com/headlines/2018/10/10/…
Someone actually tried to make a "fixed" version of Jet that is perceptually uniform, though I don't have the link handy
It's much better, though it has some issues
@RyanM I wish we could get more people educated about the option to replace links with archived copies.
Parula is actually a beautiful color scheme. I've seen that used in MATLAB contour plots without even realizing how they were generated, and I remember thinking it was really, really nice.
And... I don't know if it's just me who has spent too much time looking at data with non-uniform color maps, but I can't tell what they're talking about in that picture in the blog post. It doesn't look in any way misleading to me.
@CodyGray I'm doing my little part :-) It's probably possible to write an SEDE query to find these, although I dunno how accurate you could make it.
@CodyGray jakevdp.github.io/blog/2014/10/16/how-bad-is-your-colormap is probably a more detailed post, but also which image are you referring to? I think the map is just to give rainbow context, although I'm not a meteorologist so I have no idea if it's actually misleading.
@RyanM Oh, I thought the map they included the photograph of is the one they're talking about in the text as being misleading...? It'd be super odd if it was just a random map.
Yeah, here, I just think that Figure A is a horrible way of representing the data. I never find these in any way clear, regardless of color scheme.
00:59
@CodyGray oh, no, you're right...it has "a sharp boundary between yellow and green bands" when really there's almost no meaningful difference
@RyanM It doesn't look like a sharp boundary to me. It looks like a gradient fade from yellow to green.
The nice thing about a rainbow map is that you know what is expected, so you don't necessarily get confused by the luminance. You just look at the colors.
Or at least I do. I don't know. Maybe this is me being overly analytical again.
I had a boss that was crazy with color schemes. It wanted to have the entire document with the same color, I had to put my feet on the floor for comparative graphs.
Oohh, I support that!
Comparative graphs are a good exception, but even then, it needs to be a harmonious color scheme.
@CodyGray on the actual hurricane? It looks sharp to me (unlike the stuff in the upper half which has more of a fade)
@RyanM The confusion wasn't about the hurricane itself, it was about "This border stretched through Delaware, West Virginia, Virginia, North Carolina and South Carolina"...
01:03
@CodyGray The problem is that the scheme was black for body, and green for everything else... and green doesn't have many shades that look... good
@Braiam That's an odd claim. Green is actually the color which we humans are most sensitive to, so there are effectively more perceptual shades of it than any other color.
@CodyGray Too dark and looks like mucus, too bright and looks like mucus, we had a very narrow band to work with.
At least that's how I interpreted the faces they were doing.
@Braiam What's wrong with mucus? :-)
01:19
@SmokeDetector @CodyGray seems to me like a pretty clear cat-on-keyboard typo, not abusive/vandalism and therefore not a tp from Smokey's perspective
@NobodyNada Cats are not allowed to walk across keyboards on Stack Exchange sites. What you call a "cat-on-keyboard typo" is a TP.
But there's a lot of weird stuff about that post and its report. See comment.
@CodyGray It looks like they had the nonsense in the initial version of the edit (which they changed during the grace period). Note that the code in MS matches the final edit, not the original post.
@RyanM Ah, that makes sense. The last editor was the OP. Missed that somehow.
@CodyGray I cackled a lot as I cast that vote. I am a great big meanie.
@CodyGray fair enough, but I wouldn't red-flag and so I wouldn't give Smokey a tp, similar to the repairable offensive post guidance:
> Some people think that f*cking is a synonym for very, and so they use it to provide emphasis when writing their post. These posts usually can be salvaged by editing out the inappropriate language and leaving a comment. Therefore the appropriate feedback is f as we don’t want a system-level block preventing these kind of posts.
I can see the argument for marking it as a tp though; I could go either way on this one.
01:29
I wish I could give Smokey "Needs editing" feedback to say "this wasn't flaggable but definitely needed fixing" for stuff like the above "Mostly punctuation marks in answer" report
@NobodyNada Filling a post with gibberish as a way of defeating our (dumb) quality filters is something that I strongly feel is abusive. That is completely different than the use of an expletive to express frustration.
@RyanM Would it do any good? What would SD do about such feedback? The feedback is really just, "should this have been blocked or not?"
@CodyGray Treat it as fp for flagging purposes, but allow the evaluation of detection reasons from the perspective of bringing problematic posts to the community's attention, even if they don't detect spam per se
(which, I realize, is not the goal of the project)
Natty has a similar ne feedback for answers it detects that aren't NAA, but need some other fix from a community member.
I'm pretty sure that "ne" feedback is just a placebo effect and entirely ignored.
Sometimes my wishes are actual feature requests, but sometimes they're just musing wishes. This is the latter :-)
@CodyGray NAA serves the same purpose for Smokey:
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Nov 28 '19 at 5:08, by Makyen
@Chipster From SD/MS POV, only the TP/FP/NAA really matter. Actually, from the POV of MS, FP and NAA are really the same, with NAA existing because it makes those pesky humans feel better.
01:36
Right, that's what I said (I think).
@RyanM Oh. I guess it's good I don't immediately implement all of them, then. You'd have a bad case of wisher's remorse.
@RyanM A few years ago I started repurposing FireAlarm for that. If it's something enough people are interested in I might consider picking that up again
I bet you could get a lot of signal out of tag combinations...for instance, questions about both Android and iOS that aren't tagged with a cross-platform development framework are probably bad.
@RyanM Ooh, makes sense. We had a blacklist on that was really effective
[android] [php] is another combo that's quite often bad: since you can't write Android apps in PHP, the asker probably needs to figure out which general part of their system the bug is in before asking
02:46
@ChristopherMoore Seems like a reasonable question, they want to check if the audio playing via that library is a livestream. I've edited the question a bit to make this clearer.
@RyanM It wasn't clear to me what listening to a livestream was
@ChristopherMoore Does my edit make that clearer?
I tried to clear up what I'm fairly confident the OP meant by that
Definitely clearer, but still not sure what livestream sources they're expecting. Probably better to leave a comment than vote to close.
03:02
@Scratte moderator queue for NAA looks like this meta.stackoverflow.com/a/341841/4099593
(used to look like that, looks a bit better now with some CSS changes, but you get the idea)
03:18
Should an answer be flagged as NAA if it only suggests a solution in the form of a question? e.g., Q: "What's the most efficient way to access a specific key of a map with an iterator?" / A: "Why not use the "find" function of map?"
@tony19 Nah, that's just bad phrasing. Edit and/or suggest that maybe some sample code would make it clearer
It's still a lazy answer without sample code, but it'd be a lazy answer in the form of a statement, too :-)
03:31
@tony19 That's called a rhetorical question. Those are still answers. You can trivially rearrange the words to turn them into a statement, which sounds more like an answer. For example: "You should use the "find" function of map to locate a specific key within a map." Feel free to make such edits yourself, if you think they would improve the clarity of the answer.
But no, don't flag them. They're still answers. Don't be thrown off by the presence of a question mark. That's a sure sign of a lazy reviewer triggering off key words or symbols instead of actually reading and considering the answer.
03:53
@tripleee @Cody I don't particularly disagree with deleting that, but if configuring virtual machines and nginx redirects are on-topic, so is this
@tripleee Who said those things were on-topic?
Definitely not configuring virtual machines, unless by "configuring", you mean "installing software development tools".
I have been asked in the past to not post cv-pls for things I perceived as general computing when it had to do with web server redirect regexes, VMware / Docker / etc setup, and several vaguely similar topics
@tony19 Closest thing to a canonical on the subject: Should we avoid rhetorical questions in answers?
04:10
@tripleee I have heard the argument that web server setup is... for some reason I do not comprehend... on-topic here. At least it seems that regexes might be on-topic. But I simply cannot see how setting up a VM is in any way programming related. There's a lot of other stuff that people want to shoehorn into SO because this site is so large and successful, but it simply doesn't belong.
Like that controversy on Meta I created by declaring that regular usage of off-the-shelf data analytics GUI software is not programming.
Another example is how all this general-interest stuff about machine learning algorithms is not a practical programming problem, and thus not on-topic.
04:28
this bountied question was edited after receiving several answers; should that be rolled back, or is it acceptable clarification / detail?
(same one we discussed briefly yesterday, with an answer of mine)
@tripleee Do you feel that it invalidates your answer?
I have a hard time judging, because it's a bit outside my core competence.
It seems like they've added those clarifications in response to Mark Setchell's comment. On face, it looks valid to me.
for one thing, they pile on a number of new requirements which were not in the original question, so now it is borderline too broad as well as borderline RTFM and borderline general computing
RTFM is not a close reason...
04:45
not directly, no; but "needs focus" is used a lot for "no demonstration of effort"
And it shouldn't be. I have that conversation 4-5 times per day now, so this is good. Might as well get it started for today.
waffle
pancakes
err, that was the wrong link...
Links to waffles are always correct.
I would point anyone who believes questions should be closed for "no demonstration of effort" to Shog9's answer to Do we need a close reason for zero-effort questions?, which explains better than I would what type of effort is useful in Stack Overflow questions.
Ooh, probiotics! That's something I know a lot about! Wait, no, it's spam. :-(
05:03
so with that it's "unclear" whether they have actually consulted the documentation before asking what's said in there
Who cares?
90% of the questions on this site can be answered by reading the documentation.
absolutely; but "I cannot find the documentation" is definitely a resource request, and "I didn't even try to look", as per the above, unclear (and still probably too broad)
I think Shog has some other answers that say asking for an official link to the documentation is on-topic.
But either way, I was not talking about a question like "I cannot find the documentation"
You're still trying to police intent if you care whether they looked. We don't give out answers based on who we think worked hard enough to deserve it.
the problematic ones are not "how can I concatenate files to standard output" but somewhat more complex questions where they are really asking about something else, but miss a fundamental detail like how to cat
Why isn't the answer as simple as, "use cat", then?
05:11
@CodyGray what's RTFM?
@bad_coder Read the Freakin' Manual
@bad_coder you're joking, right? (-:
@tripleee honestly I had never seen the acronym.
It's often used as a snarky response to mean "you should have looked this up yourself instead of asking for help".
@tripleee I think it says in the help center (besides meta) you can't substantially change requirements after asking. It has happened to me and is frustrating.
05:16
Indeed, it does say that. That's against the rules, and it is very frustrating. The question here is, does that count as a substantial change to the requirements, or merely a clarification? It's often hard to say.
@CodyGray if the substance of the changes implies a substantially different answer it isn't a clarification.
@bad_coder it's significant enough that it's on Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM
@tripleee So OP changed his mind and now wants us to tell him what does ::: and {} mean for parallel? I would just delete my answer and downvote the question
it was rather unclear to begin with so perhaps that's what they tried to ask in the first place
@bad_coder I'm well aware of that. Are you claiming that this particular change does so, or are you just defining terms for me?
05:19
@oguzismail that's toying with the poster who answers. Because the OP extracted 1 answer, and created work for the guy answering. And then just invalidates it. In that case the asker should be under obligation of asking a new question if he wants.
@CodyGray what I guess I'm driving for comes back to questions which are too broad because they are trying to ask a specific question but the details have a hundred other paper cuts which need to be explained in order to set them straight
@tripleee If the question is truly too broad, then yes, it should be closed. If they are asking for you to repeat the entire manual, then that's a problem.
@CodyGray I was actually talking with the group, just saying: an unambiguous definition for those having the work of producing answers is important. Because the cases of changes to questions I've seen were obviously an attempt to mocking the guy answering.
@tripleee I have a funny one for you. I answered a question, the guy changed the definition, afterwards he self-answers an exact copy of what I had written...
@bad_coder In case you didn't: custom flag that for plagiarism
@RyanM didn't think of it :|
@RyanM it wasn't an exact copy...he added 1 sentence :\
That is, in most cases, still plagiarism, especially if uncited
if it was cited and the sentence adds something substantial, then it might not be
@RyanM thanks for reminding me. Good to know!! I just decided to delete my answer and ignore it.
05:44
@bad_coder Is that the same case as the last flag you just raised? It doesn't look like a copy of your answer to me. Maybe I'm missing something.
Oh, I guess not. The last flag of yours that I just handled, you hadn't deleted your answer.
@CodyGray no that's a different case. The flag was today, the other case was months ago.
OK, just wanted to check, because the answer looked somewhat similar, but not anything like a copy.
@CodyGray thanks Cody I appreciate it.
06:04
@CodyGray since the flag was anonymous, I elaborate: A guy asks me in the comments to explain every step in one of my answers (not just a RFTM, but a "ZERO effort didn't read your post")...A few hours latter, he creates a sock puppet posts a copy of my answers reordered with a bunch of technical mistakes mixed in...
@CodyGray then the sock puppet posts about 7 VLQ link only answers to that post, all within 1 hour and gets 7 up votes to go with it...
@bad_coder Thanks; handled already. I'm not going to try and judge the quality of the content. It's outside my competency and takes far too long anyway. So if you don't find the answer helpful, just downvote it. (I merged the two questions.)
just wanted to explain the dynamic of what happened.
And thank you for taking care of it.
@tripleee Vi fan, I take it? :-p Don't consider Emacs to be a tool used by programmers?
@CodyGray very much Emacs, thank you very much
I prefer XLII
06:10
it would be the same even if they asked how to keep a separate PYTHONPATH from other users of the computer; the objective is a general computing one
@JohnDvorak And that is what?
It's just IX x VI in base XIII
(joke lost in translation)
@SouravGhosh That sort of thing should be flagged as "rude/abusive", rather than closed. (Handled already now, so you won't be able to flag. Just for future reference.)
@SouravGhosh Oh, never mind. You did flag it. Then there's no reason to [cv-pls] it. Maybe [flag-pls], but even that probably isn't necessary.
A sdc report might have been useful
@JohnDvorak Not really.
Gibberish is a universal language, @RyanM
As a Czech, I can vouch that it's not actually Slovak.
I really appreciate that it claims to detect the language, and then when asked to translate it, says "Nah, I don't know any of those words."
@RyanM google translate claims "sakdanask" is hindi and "teritrjtiort" is stonian. And all the gibberish slovak xD
Successor territory ... huh...
06:26
Surely Estonian? Stonians are, according to Google, "a race of space gargoyles native to the Stonus star system".
@CodyGray SO is so unwelcoming to alien gargoyles.
Oh. I thought the alien gargoyles invented downvotes.
What an interesting conversation to log in to.
The correct term is "petriform", I believe.
Be the alien gargoyle you want to see moderating the site.
06:31
@RyanM A motto to live by, for sure.
"gargoyle" refers to a specific species of terrestrial petriforms, extinct by the end of 17cl, possibly sooner.
My close vote history finally crossed 2000 items today (as a sub-10k user, I can't see deleted posts there)
@RyanM My flag queue reached 15 today. :-)
@CodyGray is that all flags?
:O
06:35
Yes
My takeaway from this is that I at one point today was responsible for at least 20% of outstanding flags on Stack Overflow :-p
But really though, congrats on the ever-shrinking queue :D
I think I've asked this before but either forgot the answer or the convo derailed. If I'm reviewing suggested edits and come across a question that's already closed, is it generally undesirable to approve the edit (since it will end up hitting the reopen queue)? I've been hitting "skip" on these but that just passes the buck to someone else. Should I reject, and if so, what reason?
Next up, the CV queue :P
@DanielWiddis If the edit fixes the problems with the question such that you think it might be eligible for re-opening, then you should approve the edit. Otherwise, you should strongly consider rejecting the edit as being "no improvement whatsoever".
@CodyGray Gotcha. I probably should have deduced that.
06:40
@DanielWiddis If it doesn't fix the reason it was closed, you should almost always reject it because it will put the question into the reopen queue and deny the OP a chance for their edits to submit it to the queue.
Depending on how lazy I'm feeling, I either write a custom reason or just use "No improvement whatsoever"
@RyanM Good point. Thanks both, very helpful.
-18 and counting
@CodyGray Yeah, it doesn't really apply in many of the situations where I reject those sorts of edits
Hence the custom reason sometimes.
Really the problem should just not exist so that we wouldn't have to reject these edits, but we review edits with the Stack Overflow system we have, not the one we wish we had...
Is this appropriate to flag as NAA?
06:48
It's not a review system that Stack Exchange needs, but it is a review system that Stack Exchange deserves
@DanielWiddis Meh. Just act to get the entire Q&A deleted...
That answer is no worse than any of the others, and arguably does answer the question that was asked.
@DanielWiddis No, it answers the (off-topic) question
I had that thought too.
It's basically recommending a Mac Mini, even if it's a bit roundabout getting there
The problem has been resolved now :-)
It's not really all that roundabout.
06:49
So I see, hah.
The next time I want to buy an Apple, I'll go to a grocer
@JohnDvorak I hear good things about the McIntosh
World's first all-in-two computer
True, I suppose it's pretty straightforward
@CodyGray Well yes, I meant that the tag tends to attract trashy questions.
If a voting fraud flag is marked helpful but no action is taken against the votes, am I correct in assuming that my flag was a false positive based on reasonable suspcions?
@RyanM or it is send to the CM backlog that is 6 to 8 months atm
only CM's / devs can invalidate votes
@RyanM There are lots of possibilities: (1) a false positive but you had a mod who was nice, (2) revealed sockpuppetry that got handled, but not the same sockpuppets responsible for the votes you thought, (3) escalated to the CMs and currently sitting on a miles-long backlog, (4) misclick.
Probably others I'm not thinking of at the moment.
Hmm, third time tonight I've got the cat 404 msg (or is it 500?)
There's meow page on this URL?
07:16
There is this. (Or was, a short while ago, and a few hours ago too.)
ah, lolcat. Ew.
@DanielWiddis when do you get that? Randomly? Or for a specific page? Are you on mobile?
@rene Somewhat randomly. And on laptop with good wifi and access to other sites. Could be something wonky on the interwebs between me and the SO servers.
Okay. If it happens here I'll keep track
I think it's sitewide delay, but I only get the cat on chat.
Amazon has much better error messages with dogs, btw.
07:21
@ChristopherMoore Please don't approve edits that do little more than add inline code formatting to random words. Inline code formatting should be used only for code, not for emphasis. These edits should be rejected either with a custom reason or for vandalism. (It's an epidemic. Please protects posts from Lyme disease!)
suddenly gets paranoid about using backticks in his answers
@DanielWiddis If you're using backticks around code, then it's fine. But they're not for emphasis, and they're not for "highlighting" things.
Reserve them for their semantic meaning.
backticks in italics are occasionally used to indicate sarcasm
Anything you would wrap in a <code> span can have backticks applied to it.
Yeah. I think I do mostly (almost always?) use them for method names, classes, etc.
07:26
@DanielWiddis they used to have photo's from employees on the error pages. But after the reorganization / lay-offs / re-focusing / firing in late 2017 that became somewhat pain full seeing for example Oded still working on our problemz ...
That is Oded btw ...
I was looking for that one on MSE ... :D
We keep all the good stuff here on MSO.
07:29
Noted
@CodyGray ooooh that is amazing!
@CodyGray Followed links from there to this blog post
@DanielWiddis So you found Jeff Atwood's link-only answer? :-)
So clearly the caption in that answer saying it's Adam's cat is wrong.
08:02
@BhargavRao I'm starting to think you read all transcripts from all chat rooms now :)
@Scratte Why does this appear to surprise you? He is a moderator, after all.
@CodyGray Because.. it's impossible! :)
@Scratte Good to know. I'll try to keep that in mind, so I don't risk accidentally doing the impossible.
sorry to bother but the merge didn't work out right
my answer was moved to a question it holds little relation to.
Q1 was a clean:"How do I?"
Q2 is just a mess...Spaghetti post.
Plus my answer had been accepted and I lost that...
@CodyGray bad call, you have 1 user in "good standing", and another user that's a sock puppet. In this case, the user in "good standing" namely me, was left at a loss.
@CodyGray really sorry about the mess...not my fault.
@bad_coder I don't know what you're talking about. The user doesn't matter, only the content.
08:16
@Scratte nah, just your fan. I check only your messages :p
@CodyGray my answer was moved to a mostly unrelated question, it had been accepted in the original question.
@BhargavRao lol! Not sure if I should be honored or paranoid now :D
@CodyGray can you roll-back the merge, and merge under this question?
We can't roll-back merges
No, and I don't see any reason to. A nearly identical answer was posted to that question, which strongly suggests that it's a duplicate.
08:26
@oguzismail why is that hidden as spam or rude? @CodyGray
@CodyGray the original question I'm talking about, had 2 members in good standing answering it (myself included).
@CodyGray please, out of respect for those 2 original posters. (The sock puppet posting wherever is little indication of anything...)
@tripleee Ugh, thanks. Someone flagged it as "rude or abusive", which I didn't notice before I deleted it, and the deletion implicitly marks the flag as helpful.
weird anyway, thanks for fixing
@bad_coder You're really bordering on annoying me with arguments like "out of respect for those 2 original posters". I've given you every chance to make substantive technical arguments, but you haven't yet. Feel free to take the discussion to Meta.
You keep talking about users/members/people. I don't care about that. This site isn't about people.
I literally pay zero attention to the users when moderating content, unless the flags are specifically about voting fraud.
@oguzismail You got lucky this time because I screwed up. Please re-acquaint yourself with the definition and appropriate usage of the "rude/abusive" flag. It's not for questions that you think are duplicates.
nor is it for posts that have one or two rude words that can be edited out without changing the meaning of the post.
08:34
@CodyGray technical argument: the first question was "how do I" and the answers were written specifically for it. The 2 good answers were migrated to below a question they don't address directly. So it's an overall "taking out of context" and in terms of quality it's a loss.
This is why other moderators don't merge things anymore... too much complaining and bellyaching after the fact.
Subtle differences in the way the question is phrased are not relevant.
There's no quality being lost. All the information is still available, it's just consolidated into one place now.
@CodyGray under a mostly unrelated question.
@CodyGray but ok, if it's a bother no problem.
Well, it's literally impossible
You'd have to get a developer involved
But this is the exact reason why most moderators won't merge things, because it generates too much disagreement about minor differences, and I think it's really unfortunate.
Anything permanent, is like a hot potato. No one wants to risk touching it.
I prefer my potatoes hot, actually.
08:38
Except flag declines, I like them.
A little cheese, sour cream, chives.... Mmmm....
No wonder your tongue is all burned out and has no taste ;p
@CodyGray fair question then: why didn't you merge the other way around?
Older question generally gets preference, in absence of a compelling quality difference between the two
That one also seemed more general, so I preferred that.
it's ok Cody, no problem.
08:39
The answers appeared to be written to a more specific question, but were general enough that they would be useful in other contexts, too.
Which is...exactly what the user who went and adapted that answer and posted it there thought, as far as I can tell.
09:01
How do we handle unkind edit summaries on suggested edits? The edit itself is valid (even though it misses two minor issues): stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26818154
Note that it doesn't address any "grammar fail", but replaces a word and removes "thanks".
@CodyGray I thought my comment made it abundantly clear that I answered it despite my good sense, not because of it. I just thought that closing it myself would be even worse form. But having the question closed and my answer downvoted were both straightforward consequences.
@janw that is so minor I would not recommend any action
@tripleee do you mean "reject"?
the question itself is valid, of course; if you see abusive comments, flag them
09:04
@Nick in this case I would probably improve edit and submit a different summary
ah, yes, that's it!
For the occasion when you want to spend more effort making your data not accessible to colorblind people
Ok, I will improve it then.
@tripleee I'm more inclined to no improvement whatsoever
I could also Reject&Edit
09:05
that didn't turn out like I expected stackoverflow.com/posts/63169145/revisions
@CodyGray have you seen the matplotlib guys' talk on viridis? It has a nice example where Mona Lisa is plotted in jet (and later viridis). It's really interesting, and a nice short introduction to the chromatically uneducated such as myself.
no :D
@CodyGray I didn't flag it because it's a duplicate, the question had a rude word in it
10:26
^ Seems to try to answer the question, but is non-english -> NAA
@RiggsFolly that seems like it doesn't necessarily request an off-site resource; in fact that's a good way to ask (though maybe eligible for "needs more focus")
10:57
0 pending flags. That's something I haven't seen in a long time.
I've still got one voting ring flagged
but everything else was handled :-)
Apparently the total flags on SO dipped into single digits today
I expect Makyen got his userscripts running on that flag queue
3 right now, all 3 need more time.
Heya Bhargav \o/
Hiya o/
11:03
So.. now the flaggers as slacking.. :D
I'm super curious what is unusually complex about that particular voting ring...just a lot of accounts? I found five socks plus the main account, but I didn't check every nook and cranny.
Remember to check when you become a moderator. :)
Maybe you only see the tip. It could be 4892 accounts in total.
Haha. Fair enough :-)
Welp, my 4:30pm meeting got cancelled... debating whether to handle that flag or just go prep some evening snacks.
11:06
Go with the snacks.. then if you're done early with those, you can snack while handling the flag :)
Hah, true that.
11:25
@desertnaut Oh.. not going there. Thanks for the heads up.
11:41
I wonder if this question is in fact offtopic. OP says he/she does not undertand the VB code, so the "needs debugging details" looks to me a bit harsh
@Cleptus but asking to translate code you don't understand to another language which you have not demonstrated any knowledge of is simply "gimmeh codez plz"
Can be translated that way indeed, I opted to explain what the VB code does
13:46
@oguzismail FYI if you are going to make a *-pls request, the post you want acted upon should be the first one linked in the request. Otherwise, when you say "duplicate of x -> y" and want y acted upon, our userscripts will think you are asking us to close x instead. (ref: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/50076711#50076711)

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