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4:22 AM
Referring to the SD post; 7 minutes seems a long time after closure for someone to be able to post an answer.
 
@Nick I believe it's 24 hours server-side, if you can get around the JavaScript trying to stop you.
 
@tripleee They're all flags, yeah.
 
@Catija I assume from the fact that it went up to -1 all of a sudden that disputing or otherwise removing the flags restores the post's score?
 
There's a "clear spam/rude flags" option for mods that will dispute the flags and undo the Community-cast votes but not the ones cast by users.
It even undeletes posts that got deleted due to flagging.... I uh... don't use it much.
 
Weird... I've used it at least a dozen times
Hang around here long enough, and you'll get a chance to use pretty much every tool in the arsenal
Then it gets bad: you start wanting more tools.
 
4:29 AM
That's only four times per year...
 
I can't remember back years
 
:D
I also don't handle as many flags as you do.
 
Autoflagged FP: flagged by @SmokeDetector, @Makyen, @Floern, @MaximilianAst
 
Oh wow, that was autoflagged?
 
it was pretty gibberish.
 
4:30 AM
Oh, right. Missed that it was edited during the grace period.
 
Yeah... should probably still be watched just in case it gets re-edited into something bad.
 
I'm going to bet they saw the question getting closed, and wanted to quickly submit something to reserve their spot
 
> Luncheon meat detected
 
Cody beat me with the guess, but that was my guess
 
It's probably not going to get edited into gibberish again. Otherwise, I'd be inclined to lock it.
 
4:31 AM
Ah, yeah.
 
They also have another legit answer (the SD post I fp-ed away)
 
I couldn't tell if it was legit or not. They're all written in Parseltongue
 
Curious, how do mods resolve a correct-at-the-time-but-no-longer-applicable flag? (assuming that it is a case where they can tell it was correct at the time) Dispute or mark helpful?
 
Most of the time, decline it without bothering to check timestamps
:-)
 
@CodyGray the autoflag threshold is arguably too low here; I often repeat my recommendation to not allow autoflags at a lower threshold than the default just to reduce the risk for this sort of mistake
 
4:33 AM
If I notice, I mark it helpful... sometimes it's easy to miss the timestamps.
 
users who sign up for autoflagging can set the threshold down to below 200 which means just two reasons could trip an autoflag
 
@tripleee Well, no, I agree that the original revision should have been autoflagged. I don't think it was a threshold problem here. Maybe this could be fixed by not raising an autoflag until the grace period is expired?
 
which is problematic especially when some of the reasons overlap
 
... but Smokey doesn't autoflag that low, does it?
 
@tripleee I'd argue that it wasn't a mistake. The flags were legit on the content that was detected.
 
4:35 AM
Smokey will look for flaggers with their threshold set low enough, and so often does flag that low
 
Are grace period edits from flaggable -> non-flaggable common?
 
@RyanM It's worth noting that only red flags (spam/abusive) can be marked as "disputed" by moderators, using the option Catija mentioned. Otherwise, it's just "helpful" or "declined". Which one gets used depends on how observant we are.
 
@CodyGray you mean, letting every piece of spam live for five minutes just in case the poster changes their mind?
 
@RyanM From gibberish to non-gibberish? They happen occasionally, but not like...super common.
 
Hmmm. I thought I remember y'all having a minimum that was tied to the accuracy percentile?
 
4:35 AM
it will disable autoflagging for a user when it detects that their statistics are bad but that takes some time
 
@JohnDvorak Sort of like a spammy little mayfly, eh?
 
Or, wait five minutes for gibberish but autoflag spam right away? That might be fine.
 
I don't have a big problem with autoflags. I just don't think there should ever be enough autoflags raised to reach the threshold.
 
@Catija there is a hard limit and a recommended threshold setting, Makyen is probably better at digging up the specifics
 
@CodyGray They're capped at five now, on most sites, I think?
 
4:37 AM
The max is four flags, and the bot needs to be super-sure for that
 
@JohnDvorak honestly, I think this is a pretty good idea...gibberish isn't really a problem if it stays for 5 minutes, unlike spam, which could be crawled by a search engine.
 
Ah, it was upped from three to four... I think I'm getting confused because I think there was discussion of upping to five...
 
Well teeechnically the gibberish gets indexed too :D
 
@Catija there was, once, but I don't think that's being pushed by anyone
 
Yeah, it's been a while since I've chatted with Charcoal.
 
4:38 AM
Smokey doesn't see any difference between gibberish and actual spam
 
@JohnDvorak yeah, but that's fine, it's probably not hurting anything like giving SEO reputation to a spammer would
 
@tripleee So y'all don't categorize the types of triggers.
 
Note that actually rude/offensive should still get the expedite treatment
 
@Catija The minimum permitted is 99.75%, based on historical accuracy, but that's over all the sites which are included in the person's flagging condition, so it's possible that the actual accuracy on a specific site can be lower. SO is a typical example of that, because it tends to have a much higher rate of false positives.
 
@Catija nope, not in the sense that we could meaningfully distinguish between rude, junk, and spam
 
4:40 AM
... I'm also kinda... wary of making changes since ... by most accounts, this person was intentionally acting to sneak in an answer to a question that they shouldn't have been able to answer at all...
 
@tripleee it shouldn't be hard to add, should it?
 
@Catija Wait.... are you saying we should be optimizing for pearls, not sand?
 
@JohnDvorak within Smokey I guess you could add a tag to each rule, but permeating that to the historical archives in metasmoke and making it all work out seems like a pretty significant challenge, mostly for uncertain gains IMHO
 
Let's just say I have a negative history with people intentionally posting answer placeholders on some sites with the content "Creating answer in case this question gets closed"... or similar... and I don't have much ... patience for that sort of thing.
 
some of the rules are pretty generic; writing in Chinese on a non-Chinese site is not an indication of the category of content, for example
 
4:42 AM
Another odd case would be getting 200 points for spam and 200 points for r/a. Should the post get a 400-point treatment or a 200-point treatment?
 
No, agreed. If I catch that, I'll red-flag nuke it. I guess that counts as not having much patience.
 
@Catija wouldn't that require a mod flag instead of the generic R/A one?
 
Kinda depends on how many days you want to wait for it to disappear....
 
@JohnDvorak Sure. They delete it immediately upon answering, so that's the only option but it also requires having 10k to even see the answer.
(in the specific case I'm talking about)
 
Oh, you mean the even sneakier folks who delete it.
Yes, that's next-level tomfoolery.
 
4:44 AM
In this case, they edited quickly enough that deletion wasn't necessary.
 
I don't think Smokey casts custom flags right now, but it surely could be added. Note: language sites need to be considered
 
@CodyGray Oh, yeah... that's why I get so irate about it. They know that they want to write an answer but doing so would take an hour or two... so they create a blank, delete it, and then write their answer while the question gets closed... and then undelete.
 
@JohnDvorak In some cases, MS does raise custom flags to inform moderators that the post was deleted, at least in part, by flags raised through metasmoke, that the feedback which was received was conflicted. It's intended to allow moderators to have a look at potentially problematic posts, where there might have been a post improperly deleted. Ironically, a significant number of those custom flags are declined.
 
ah, OK
 
I decline a bunch of them. Declined means, "you didn't need to inform me of this; the initial action was correct".
Basically, declined is FP (because the original was a TP)
 
4:49 AM
Let's not get Smokey banned though
 
Smokey's only ever had 17 spam flags declined.
(on SO)
 
(Adds to his list of tricks to play on the newly-instated mods: convince them to suspend Smokey)
 
Yeah, as long as SD doesn't get banned from flagging, it's good information to have. SD getting banned is unlikely. The custom flags are rare.
:)
 
Ah, okay. Thanks.
 
Yeah, not only are the custom flags rare, but SD is pretty far away from getting banned.
We had a user the other day who had raised 22 spam flags on posts that weren't spam. They didn't get banned from flagging by any automatic mechanism.
 
4:52 AM
25 flags in a week from a quick count... means it'd take three declined in a week to be banned.
 
I wonder, does the 10% threshold do anything for API flags?
 
@JohnDvorak I'd be surprised if there was any difference.
 
@Catija Surely SD raises more than 25 flags per week?
 
@CodyGray I just counted from the 19th-26th on Smokey's flag history page and that's all I got.
 
Huh. I guess auto-flags are more rare than I thought.
 
4:54 AM
I'm pretty sure that Metasmoke probably has a pretty graph of autoflags on SO somewhere.
 
Trying to find said graph, but it's ... ahem ... going slow.
 
:D
 
Yeah, MS has been very slow for me the past few minutes
 
:(
 
Should be on the bottom of the dashboard... if it'll load
 
4:56 AM
Yeah, it is slow...
 
Probably because we're all trying to load it at once. :P
 
Nah, it was slow before that, when I was trying to give feedback.
 
Reports by side says 2707 reports for SO this month
 
Yeah, but Smokey's only ever cast that many flags all-time.
 
I'm surprised
 
user10957435
4:58 AM
I think Smokey is in a reboot period.
 
Well... SD wasn't casting flags for a good amount of time, only pointing people at them... it's only been, what... two years or so since the account started autoflagging?
May 19th 2018 was the first of what looks like autoflags.
 
Flags didn't used to be raised by the SD account. That started ... looks like 2 years ago.
 
ninja'd
 
Yep. :)
 
:D
 
5:00 AM
"202764 spam flags total cast over over 3 years"
Got that just before I started getting 503 errors.
 
I had composed it except for the time-period, then didn't read the transcript once I got back to add the time-frame. :)
 
I think at least some of this is in the blog post Art wrote. :D
 
Speaking of, I was surprised to see it was agreed to let him share that many details about how SpamRam, etc. works.
 
MS is being rebooted. It should be faster once it's back up.
 
You pulled the plug?
 
5:02 AM
@CodyGray I sent it to Nick, Nick said it looked good. Art doesn't have any inside info, so he's making educated guesses... but Nick didn't seem to have any issues with them.
 
@Catija He has some inside info, by virtue of being a moderator
I would not have been comfortable sharing all of that
So I was just kind of surprised. But I'm sure someone approved it.
 
I think that there's likely a bit more to SpamRam than y'all can see... heck, I don't know much about it myself.
 
@CodyGray Unfortunately, I don't have the ability to do so. I used to have a reboot button, but we changed the infrastructure around, so that it doesn't currently work. I pinged the people that have the ability to do a reboot. Fortunately, it didn't need a power cycle, as that's an even rarer ability. :)
 
Undo still awake?
Pretty sure Art isn't :P
... also, there's fireworks going off for some reason.
The holiday is July 4th, right? Not July 1st?
 
WFH riot?
 
5:05 AM
Apparently some people are popping fireworks as part of the protests
 
@Catija Yeah, it was Undo.
 
@CodyGray We're up north of Hyde Park, so ... nowhere near downtown... though, the Target on 35 just south of 2222 got looted a few weeks back.
 
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@CodyGray Around here that's just people celebrating the 4th of July a bit early. It isn't necessarily part of a protest.
 
@Catija Yes, although lots of people celebrate early.
 
Yeah, I was skeptical of that, but that's what a coworker told me was happening in his area of California
 
user10957435
5:07 AM
@Catija What Makyen said.
 
Regardless, fireworks are illegal in the city limits, even during the 4th of July holiday. And Hyde Park is quite well within the city limits. :-)
 
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@CodyGray I'm not in a big city and near the other coast, so I wouldn't know.
 
@CodyGray Oh, definitely! :D
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Fair enough. I didn't read all the transcript at first. I'm slowly catching up in pieces.
 
(if it's not clear, I'm talking about Austin, not California) :D
 
user10957435
5:08 AM
Yeah, they're illegal in city limits here too, but that never seems to stop people.
 
Is there a Hyde Park, California?
Ah, I guess there's a neighborhood in LA
 
Yeah, that's what I found... which, is essentially what it is here in Austin.
But the famous one is in London.
 
Haha. The city's first suburb, origianlly developed as a "White Only" streetcar stop?
 
:/
 
It's a lovely, diverse neighborhood now, of course.
 
5:11 AM
I'm pretty sure the famous one is in Adelaide...
 
user10957435
The American version should be "New Hyde Park" then.
 
not!
 
@CodyGray Well, that's more than one can say about Austin's Hyde Park, which I assume is mostly populated by UT professors and rich students.
 
@Catija I...meant Austin's
 
@CodyGray Oh... huh. I never thought of it as being particularly diverse... but I don't spend a ton of time there.
 
5:13 AM
I used to live just south of there, not being quite in the category of "rich" student
Of course, racial diversity != socioeconomic diversity.
 
I lived in a walk-up studio across from the Crown and Anchor.
 
Oh! That's a lovely little pub!
 
It is! And they have awesome burgers.
 
Posse East is just down the street, too. Although I never liked it quite as much. Too much of a sports vibe, and that's just not me.
 
I think I tried it once and thought the food and atmosphere at C&A was better, so I didn't repeat the experience.
 
5:19 AM
Hmm... Is Sao Paulo's still open? It was right there, too, and one of my absolute favorite places to eat.
An incredibly tiny hole-in-the-wall, with mind-blowingly good food.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure if they are. I think we went there once but I can't recall. I don't go south of 45th much any more. :(
 
The students make you feel old? :-p
 
They always did. I was 7 years older than them when I went to UT... more like a grad student than an undergrad.
 
I did both. First time, I was younger than almost everyone. Second time, I was older than almost everyone, except for the grad students.
Never really noticed, though! (Oblivious...)
 
Hmmm. UT was weird for me. I started with over 100 credit hours because of the stuff I transferred in with... so I only went three years but had to try to pack in all of my major coursework in that time.
 
5:26 AM
Did I already ask you this? Where did you transfer in from?
 
HA. No. I had credit hours from community colleges in Seattle, Northern Virginia and San Antonio. Started collecting them my senior year in high school. Moved to DC area for a year or so then to UK for 9 months (didn't go to school) then back home to San Antonio for a couple of years. Then, finally, to Austin.
 
Oh wow, I didn't realize you'd moved around that much
Weren't you born in Austin?
 
@CodyGray San Antonio. My dad still lives in the house I came home from the hospital to. My mom moves all over the place... California for a year, Seattle for seven... DC for a while... She started working for the Air Force, so went to a base in the UK... (and also in the Azores for a while but I didn't live with her then).
Though, she's currently living across the street from my dad... renting that house from him and his husband. HAHA
 
Oh, that's too bad. The Azores would have been beautiful.
Haha
 
I went to visit her twice for two weeks. It was amazing.
 
5:31 AM
Yeah, way better than San Antonio :-p
 
Doesn't take much. :P All it has is some old buildings and a river below street level.
 
Mmm, who cares about that? What it has is cheap, delicious, authentic Mexican food. That is...did I mention...*cheap*?
 
Mmm. That is true. Austin Mexican food isn't quite the same, despite how close together they are.
 
Still better than California Bay Area Mexican food...
 
@Catija Did your mom like the Azores? If I may ask...
 
5:41 AM
@bad_coder If the Air Force hadn't had rules about stay duration, I think she would have stayed longer. She loved it. :)
 
@CodyGray having lived in the Bay Area and been to San Antonio (and Mexico) I'd beg to differ on that one - there are many great little Mexican restaurants where the food is as authentic as you can get.
 
@Catija thanks for answering. That is good to know :)
 
Probably depends on if you're talking true Mexican food or Tex Mex.
@bad_coder Any particular reason for asking?
 
@Nick Everything in the Bay Area is a Taqueria. It's great if you want tacos or burritos. But what if you want something else?
Some places have it, but it costs an arm and 2 legs.
I'm all out of appendages.
 
I thought everything in the Bay Area was expensive?
There's something special about finding a great spot that has a $6.99 lunch special, including iced tea.
 
5:43 AM
I don't even mean Tex Mex. I mean true interior Mex. Like Cochinita Pibil or something.
Yes, and yes, @Catija.
 
@Catija Well, I speak the language and so forth...I'm proud of that society.
 
I guess like everywhere there are exceptions. You've just got to find them... I lived in Mountain View which was a very hispanic community so we had a lot of good ones where you could get many a meal which did not have a tortilla in sight.
 
My dad will sometimes send me pictures of that when he eats lunch. Like, oh, look, $5.99 for this giant pork chop, plus 2 eggs, rice + beans, corn tortillas...oh, and did I forget the iced tea that's included?
@Nick Names. I need names.
(What's wrong with tortillas?)
 
@CodyGray it's been almost 20 years since I moved home (I'll see if I can find some on a map). I love tortillas - I was referring to your everything being a taco or a burrito comment.
 
Oh, I see. Wow, 20 years... that's enough for a lot to change.
And makes you older than I presumed :-p
 
5:45 AM
ughhhh you're all reminding me that I live in one of the few parts of SF that does not have easy access to good Mexican food :-(
 
@bad_coder Ah! That's great. Yeah, when I visited it was amazing. She was on Terceira but we also went to São Miguel for a long weekend and it was beautiful.
 
Yeah I'm the older statesman of the two Nicks :-)
 
@Catija :) I'm really glad you liked it.
 
@RyanM :-(
 
The food... was... perfect. The fresh seafood, the beautiful fresh white cheese with pepper sauce and fresh bread... nothing like it, particularly when paired with the beautiful breezes and the greenery and florals everywhere.
 
5:47 AM
I just need to refresh my memory, I'll do a little searching on google maps around where I used to live. It's been so long they might not be there though...
 
@RyanM Why do you torture yourself like this? Also...how is this possible? My understanding is that SF has everything, virtually within walking distance.
I've been to the city a couple of times, but never stayed very long and don't know it all that well.
 
I think the only restaurant of note I've been in the SF area is Wursthall.
 
@CodyGray I live in a heavily Asian neighborhood. All the amazing Asian food you could ask for within walking distance, and some good sandwich places. But not much Mexican food - most of the best is in the Mission.
 
We stayed on Knob Hill, and walked to some historic breakfast restaurant in downtown. I can't remember the name.
 
@Catija Coincidentally, some of my former coworkers were involved in the investment for that restaurant... I've never actually been, though - it wasn't open at the time I happened to be in the area.
 
5:49 AM
@CodyGray La Fiesta on Villa St, Vive Sol on El Camino Real. Sadly one of the little hole in the walls has now become a tagueria...
 
... I think the thing I miss the most about Seattle is the Thai food.
 
@Catija Oh my gosh. That's what I miss about Austin! There just isn't that much good Thai food where I am in the SF Bay.
 
@RyanM It was really great. I actually met one of the SE mods there for dinner.
@CodyGray If you think Austin Thai is good... you should visit Seattle.
 
@Catija I've been to Seattle a couple of times, but never with anyone whom I could persuade to eat Thai food
 
@CodyGray Come to SF! There's plenty, and now I want Thai food...
 
5:51 AM
Plus, every time I go to Seattle, it's to go to Boeing, and...not much good Thai food around those parts
 
@CodyGray Ah, that's disappointing.
 
@RyanM All you need to do is hire me, and I'll be happy to come to SF :-)
 
Also @Catija I would totally take Thai recommendations in Seattle if you've got any :-)
I get up there every now and then, usually once a year or so
 
Some pretty good Indian in Seattle, too
 
It is kinda nice that Austin's got a decent name for great food in lots of categories that aren't barbecue... like sushi and ramen.
 
5:52 AM
@CodyGray You may recall that despite where I live, I actually also work in South Bay :-p
 
Hard to beat SF Bay Area for ramen, but Austin does have a couple of places that are decent
 
@RyanM I graduated from high school in 2000 and have only been back once, about 6 years ago... so I'm not sure the places I loved are still around, sadly.
 
@RyanM Wait, I did not recall that. I do not think I knew that. So you're like one of my former co-workers, who drove like 2 hours every morning and evening to go from SF to Sunnyvale? He was insane, and clearly you are, too.
 
@Catija in the Azores? (You didn't direct reply so just let me make sure.)
 
@CodyGray Oh, I don't drive myself, I'd go mad. We have (...well, normally have...) shuttles with Wi-Fi. Shockingly good Wi-Fi, too.
 
5:54 AM
flags mod for calling user insane
 
@RyanM Oh, huh... TupTim Thai is still open... that was the one that always stuck in my head.
@bad_coder Yes! Sorry. That was all about the Azores.
 
Thanks! Saved on Maps :-)
 
@CodyGray Have you been back since Ramen Tatsu-Ya opened?
@rene Flagging mods in chat is generally a waste of time, as they're immune. :P
 
Also I suppose my employer does have a significant SF presence...just not my team
 
It's .. just for the record ....
 
5:59 AM
@RyanM Oh, I see. So you do what Jon Skeet does... ride the shuttle several hours per day and spend that time accumulating SO rep.
 
They have Google shuttles in England?
 
@Catija That's the one on Research, in that same shopping center with...uhh... Din Ho, Sunflower Vietnamese, and Pho Van? Sort of by the Target? Yeah, I've been there once. It was open while I was at UT.
Sunflower Vietnamese is, by the way, fantastic. It's actual, authentic Vietnamese, with stuff on the menu other than Pho and vermicelli (which are both good, but come on, Vietnamese people eat stuff other than this).
 
@CodyGray Yep. That's the one. Small place, line around the buliding.
I haven't actually been to Sunflower... but I've been to Tan My around the corner (more Pho) and it's really great but hard to get a seat.
 
@Catija Yeah, that part never appealed to me. I didn't like waiting in a line that long. Plus, I don't like being rushed while I eat, and you always feel rushed with ramen when there's a line down the street waiting.
 
@Catija I don't think so, they actually have functional public transit in London
 
6:07 AM
@Catija Hmm. Never heard of Tan My. Surprised I haven't seen that. Although I don't really know that area as well as downtown. I mostly only discovered these other places because someone recommended Din Ho Chinese BBQ.
 
@CodyGray It's fun to go there at off hours... and, actually, now that I think of it, we got takeout from there just today... no line at all. And they didn't used to do takeout at all, pre-COVID.
 
Yeah, looks like Tan My is not doing dine-in right now, only takeout.
I've actually been living in Austin the past few months during COVID-19. But I figured it wasn't a great time to try and meet up with @Catija. :-)
 
@CodyGray WHA???
 
Yeah, I left California as things were shutting down. I planned to go back soon, but...soon is now long past.
If I'm working from home anyway, I wanted to be closer to family. Besides, with restaurants closed, I would have starved to death.
 
@CodyGray See, I had guessed based on your active hours that you were probably not in Sunnyvale. But I would not have guessed two time zones east.
 
6:10 AM
@RyanM Hahaha
 
Why are we both up at 1 am.
 
I still operate on Sunnyvale time
My clock says it's only 11 PM
 
... I still have work to do.
I've been procrastinating in here.
 
That's what we all do; you're welcome to join us anytime
 
I went to bed at the same time as Cody the other day...at 6:30am Pacific.
I also still have work to do...I should get back to that >_<
Fortunately my clocks are also set to Pacific time
 
6:13 AM
I have a Heisenbug to debug, which I've been putting off
 
... clearly you don't have small children who wake you up in the morning.
If I can sleep past 6:30 ... that'll be a miracle.
 
I do not, no. That would be awful. My small children will have to sleep in late, like I did as a child. That almost certainly will be a requirement.
 
Small children, no. Neighbors who don't understand how to correctly close a door in a building that's old and doesn't damp shocks, on the other hand...
 
@CodyGray ... I wish that were a thing. Well, it is a thing once they get to middle school but not when they're little.
 
I'm mildly surprised they haven't broken the doorframe.
 
6:14 AM
Oh man, I lived in a stairwell one year in a college dormitory. Seriously. Dorm room off of a stairwell, said stairwell having a giant, metal, clanging exterior door in it as well, which echoed very loudly off the, um, stairwell.
@Nick Oohh, thanks for that. La Fiesta looks very good, and in-line with normal SF Bay Area prices. I will have to check that out for sure. Looks to be a couple of blocks off Castro St. Now I just have to cross my fingers that there is some parking nearby.
Their menu has this odd little notice: 'Our dishes are made from raw, natural ingredients. We are meticulous in the preparation of our dishes. Even so, we can inadvertently include natural substances and/or crunchy edges. We ask that you take care to avoid "dental mishaps".' I get where they're coming from, but still... "dental mishaps" is odd.
@RyanM I recommend getting an air cleaner for your bedroom. Not only because it cleans the air (and who doesn't like clean air?), but because it also generates white noise that drowns out unwanted exterior noises extremely well.
 
@CodyGray I have one, although it was purchased in part for being near silent. I actually have three fans running at most times. What they do not help with, however, is the floor shaking because these people slam their door so hard.
 
Haha, wow
 
@CodyGray natural substances = sand in the salad?
 
Silent air cleaners defeat the point for daytime sleepers like me
@Vega Yeah,, I assume they mean diamonds or something.
A little all-natural cyanide sneaks into the dressing, etc.
 
I can turn it or my fans up and they make sound...or turn my A/C on, which helps keep it cool for daytime sleeping
 
6:23 AM
A/C, now there's a luxury
 
Pearls in oysters are welcome too
 
Coming from Texas, I was literally flabbergasted that the majority of the apartments I looked at in the Bay Area did not have air conditioning.
 
I was surprised that you could travel an hour and have the high temp go from 100 to 75.
 
@Catija In California, you mean?
 
@CodyGray Yeah. I went along with my husband to a conference in San Jose and took the Caltrain to SF... and it was 95 or so in San Jose that day and only 75 or 80 in SF.
 
6:32 AM
95 is quite hot for San Jose, actually. You probably went that year when they were having a freak heat wave.
Which was the year before I moved there, if I remember correctly
SF can be downright chilly sometimes, though, with the sea breeze.
I think it's lovely. I never grew fond of the Texas heat.
 
Indeed. It was... two years ago, I think... or maybe three? Bennet was under a year old... so I guess it was three years.
 
Yeah, that would be the right timeline. What I heard was, that summer, everyone in the South Bay was miserable and wishing they had air conditioning. But normally, it's hardly necessary.
 
We went to the Google campus one day, Stanford another day, and all the way to SF the last day.
 
Everyone always visits Stanford. Is it really all that spectacular to see?
 
Andy got his MS there, so I wanted to poke around.
 
6:34 AM
I've been there a couple of times for legitimate reasons, but never been especially interested in just going and walking around.
 
The trees made me sneeze.
 
Ah, okay.
Hah, what?! I have almost no allergies in SF Bay Area. Nothing like Austin.
 
Yeah, I didn't in general... but something about those weird trees they have on campus really... ugh.
 
6:36 AM
... Yeah... I think I just read they have eucalyptus which always makes my nose fuzzy.
 
@CodyGray the main campus is pretty but the neighborhood around it is basic Valley dust ... I got lost while wandering around jetlagged between sessions at a conference
 
@tripleee Agreed. Once you get out of the beautifully manicured campus proper, it's nothing to write home about
 
Oh, there was a really cool art installation ... gsb.stanford.edu/experience/life/campus/stanford-gsb-artwork
 
Hmm, I haven't seen that
 
@CodyGray Since you're a wine&dine conessouir, shell-fish (e.g. clams and oisters) has to be kept in an aquarium after harvest from sea or river, in order for the crustaceans to self-depurate any grains of sand and other impurities. Biting down on 1 grain of sand, can cause a tooth to chip...
 
6:41 AM
@bad_coder I am nothing of the sort, but thanks for the compliment! :-)
That makes total sense, though
 
@CodyGray there's a carpark out the front of La Fiesta, also plenty of on-street parking. I've never seen that "dental mishaps" on the menu; perhaps there's been an incident since I left and they had to bring in the lawyers...
 
A "carpark", eh? How delightfully British.
Do you mean "the solicitors"? ;-)
 
I have some sort of half-remembered memory that both are valid terms in England but for different things, or something.
 
If I remember correctly, in British English, you are either a solicitor or a barrister. But perhaps they've started using American English "lawyer", too. I'm not entirely sure.
 
Oh, maybe that's what it is.
 
6:47 AM
AmE is not exactly simple or consistent in this regard, either. We have both "lawyers" and "attorneys", which are... identical.
But at least we lost the funny wigs!
 
"we are not amused" (pronounced with the American drawl of Kevin Costner, like when he was Robin Hood and tried to pronounce "Nottingham")
 
Someday we'll stop trying to get people to play characters in accents that aren't native to them...
Or, I suppose, at least make sure they're actually good at speaking in that accent.
 
my memory plays tricks with me, I thought it was Mel Gibson, which would have had an additional twist because he is from Australia
 
Wasn't it Russell Crowe?
 
(not strictly, I see now in IMDB)
 
6:51 AM
... In Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves? Nah, it was Costner.
 
@Catija Will it be the same day that comedians stop doing Blackface? Or will that come later?
 
the 2010 remake was with Crowe; I'm thinking of that one "Prince of Thieves" from 1991
 
@Catija Nah, we'll just have programs that adjust the accent as the text-to-speech generates the the dialog. :)
 
Ah, yes. "Hey Siri, please make this actor sound British!"
 
Not British, Strine! And we've become so Americanised we call them lawyers too...
 
6:52 AM
@CodyGray Exactly.
 
Well, I suppose dubbing for accent should be easier than dubbing into a different language entirely... with the exception of times where you change words to better fit the accent locality.
 
Crowe does a decent British accent to my ear (he is from New Zealand, but partly grew up in Australia)
 
Audio says "brolly", lips say "umbrella". Welcome to the future.
 
Boot and trunk is my go-to.
 
welcome to the reality of movies dubbed to the only language my children could understand when they were younger
 
6:57 AM
American and British English aren't that different, surely, @tripleee
Definitely mutually intelligible
 
no but if you are looking for bad lip sync, ask anybody who watched dubbed movies
sometimes they do an amazing job, in particular in some animated movies
but sometimes you just can't help it, like when a character's name has a meaning and the story requires that meaning to be preserved
 
What language did your kids speak, @tripleee?
 
@CodyGray which of them? (-: my parents spoke Swedish with me and that's what I speak to my kids, but some of them have other parents with other languages
 
Oh, I see. So...native Swede living in the UK?
Raising kids who speak a variety of different languages.
 
no, nothing like that, native to Finland living in Finland
 
7:04 AM
Oh. Why in the world would a Finn speak Swedish?
 
700 years of history, but also just coincidence
careful, that's like asking why a Canadian would speak French
or why a Belgian doesn't speak Belgian
 
Hmm? I don't remember Finland ever being ruled by the Swedes.
 
1200ish-1809
most of it wasn't called Finland by anyone for most of that time
but Swedish was the dominant language of government for another 100+ years
except when it was forced to be Russian
 
Huh. You've identified a major weakness in my knowledge of medieval European history. Which, for most people, might not be significant, but I find it embarrassing.
 
it's not like border skirmishes in the Northeast corner of Europe would be considered major events in medieval times, unless if you studied Swedish or Nordic history specifically
 
7:09 AM
Mostly Norwegian, which more overlaps with Danish than with Swedish
But yeah, most of Europe was busy killing witches, persecuting heretics, and whatnot. Far more interesting.
 
there's also the inherent bias from persistence of artifacts; jewelry and shining armor have survived better than wooden huts and wool so there's simply less to study if you are interested in normal life
 
Yeah, that's very true. Most of what gets studied in Northern Europe is either religion or from Viking sagas, both of which got written down.
But thinking about it, I feel like my educational experience mostly just ignored Finland....
I guess I failed to make the connection between modern Finland and Swedish rule during the High Middle Ages
 

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