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12:01 AM
Right, that is unfortunate. I've seen quite a few ones because users misspelled their file name, and it gives an error that confuses them.
 
For example, if some obvious beginner has if (a < 0 && a > 9) (&& instead of ||) is that a typo? No, it's a misunderstanding. But should it be addressed as an answer or as a comment?
 
@Scratte It needs 3 votes to close
 
@akrun That is correct. We can only do our own part. I can't even vote.. I just flag them and hope others will pick it up and vote.
@AdrianMole I think perhaps it could be addressed in one Question and make it a dupe target. It's not that uncommon of a misunderstanding.
 
I would give a brief explanation in a comment, with a link to elementary documentation for the operators of the language in question. Stack Overflow isn't really here to replace basic documentation.
 
@AdrianMole That's not covered by documentation, is it? It's just logic.. failing :)
 
12:11 AM
Well, then, I'd give them a link to the language's illogical operators. :)
 
I understand what you're saying, and one would expect users to work it out, but they didn't. They posted. So why not have a duplicate target? It's no different from the multitudes of Questions closed as a duplicate to the famous arrayOutOfBoundsError
 
@AdrianMole such as C's array indexing operator accepting the form index[array]?
that's an illogical operator if I've ever seen one
 
@RyanM There' sa high vote Q/A on that, I'm sure. Something like, "Why can I use 5[arr] instead of arr[5]?"
 
I don't understand the <=> operator.
 
I refuse to understand the >=< operator (as I insist on calling it).
 
12:20 AM
sorry for that spam about not-spam >_<
 
@Scratte Funny - just came across such a post in a review audit. The comment there is something I might use in future.
 
12:57 AM
Sometimes I really do wonder what goes through peoples' heads. Question has been closed as a duplicate. OP then edits their question, simply adding, "Appreciate any help!" Now, is that likely to get my re-open vote? Really?
 
personal favorite edit: "kindly help me i would be thankfull" changed to "Please answer its not closed question"
(later followed up by another non-substantive edit rephrasing everything and adding "please its important if can tell me how i can create this layout would be helpfull")
oh, you actually reviewed that one :D
 
Never really know whether to cry for them, suggest a good counselling service, or just to, well ... "Leave Closed."
 
I took pity and left them my "Your question is quite broad, and ... you should break the problem down into smaller problems ..." canned comment
"I have to input minimum amount of numbers. The minimum is the maximum but I am able to input more numbers than the maximum." am I having a stroke...no, just an audit
 
hehe
 
@AdrianMole People don't know how the system works.
 
1:07 AM
In fairness to them, the way it works makes very little sense (e.g., non-OP tag-only edits submitting for reopen).
 
But this wasn't a new user. 81 rep., so had some experience.
 
1:25 AM
@RyanM Tag-only edits don't automatically push the question into the reopen queue. Only edits to the body auto-push into the reopen queue, and only if done by someone who did not VtC or flag the post, or who is the OP.
 
@Makyen I didn't know that last part.
 
That's why, if there's a pending cosmetic edit after you've VtC, it's a good idea to reject the edit and edit yourself to do the easy cosmetic cleanup. It saves the question from someone else coming along and doing a cleanup edit that pushes it into the reopen queue. I wouldn't spend a lot of time on it, but if it only takes a few seconds...
 
Ah, I could've sworn I'd seen one...must've fixed a tiny typo I hadn't caught
@KenWhite I believe this is on-topic, under the reasoning in meta.stackoverflow.com/a/386006/208273
They're asking for an official API from Microsoft for Windows updates - that's not liable to attract opinion-based answers
(it may attract "there isn't one," but that's on-topic)
 
1:53 AM
@RyanM OK, I respect your opinion. I disagree, because it's no different than asking for "official documentation* from some random github project. The answer would be a link to an off-site resource, and the MS change from MSDN to docs.microsoft.com shows how those links can break.
 
@KenWhite I think this case is slightly different, because they're asking for an API: that is, a method that can be called on (presumably) a web-service of some sort. That would be different than if they asked for a link to documentation on how to make that sort of call, in which case I would be completely on board with you. This question, to me, seems like asking if reddit has an API that provides a list of the moderators for a given subreddit.
 
@RyanM you are right. Those subtleties make a difference. An API question can be a language specific "how to" if it's about stdlib or a commonplace library.
 
@RyanM Fair enough. :-) @Makyen, can you remove my cv-pls on chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/49760689#49760689
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
Cheers :-) appreciate the thoughtful discussion
 
2:14 AM
On other news, my country would ask us to mobilize and vote in a week. :(
 
@Braiam Republica Dominicana?
 
@bad_coder Yep
 
@Braiam ok, I'll watch a youtube video and read on wikipedia about the elections. Thanks for sharing, having a pretext to selectively read the news broadens my horizons.
 
2:50 AM
@Makyen you don't think that the post is spam intended to get users to visit those sites?
 
@Nick It may be. I have not, and have no plan to, click on the links. I'm good with close, delete, and watch the domains for any repeat posts. In other words, assuming good faith for this first post, even though it does contain a product keyword we've seen before.
 
Fair enough. I did flag as spam, but I will VtC too (well, was going to but no need any more).
 
4:00 AM
@Nick Cool. Thanks for letting me know.
 
Well, checks notes shdbuhyfsjioakp[ldokfcijs-pokijusdcsdcsdcsdc to them, too
 
Are we still allowed to request deletes at -2?
 
@MikeM. I think only once it's been closed for 2 days? Once it's at -3 it can be immediate for 20k+
 
@Nick Sorry, I meant, room policy, not the delete vote rules.
 
@MikeM. ah, sorry, misunderstood.
 
4:05 AM
@MikeM. You are permitted to make a del-pls request if the post is within 1 downvote of being able to be delete-voted. This is based on the expectation that if it's worth a delete-vote, then it almost certainly is worth a downvote, and the Meta which explained that position. Specifically, that means closed questions that have been closed for < 2 days and are at score <= -2, questions which have been closed for > 2 days (no score requirement), and answers which are at score <= 0.
 
@Makyen Cool. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a policy change. I recently installed your URRS(?) script, and the tags went all funky when I posted that. I wasn't sure if it was trying to tell me that I really screwed up.
 
While we're on the topic, I know I've heard that policy, but I couldn't find it on socvr.org. Did I miss it or is it not there?
 
@MikeM. The last I checked, the URRS marks the requests which can not actually be delete-voted as invalid. It needs to be updated after the policy change which permitted posting requests where only one downvote was required.
 
@RyanM I think I've only ever heard it in the room. I can't seem to find any mention of it in the FAQ.
@Makyen Yeah, that was a little surprising. I wasn't expecting the tags to completely change like that.
 
@MikeM. Yeah, I've changed it in my copy of the URRS to be the one downvote required levels, which means it should get into the next released revision.
 
4:27 AM
@Nick how did they even post something that short...
 
@RyanM I guess if you have a long enough title that suffices?
 
@Makyen Gotcha. Thanks for the info.
 
However, there was substantial discussion both before and after that. There was quite a bit of discussion, IIRC, around 2017-07 and the "Downvote in order to be able to vote to delete. Is it acceptable?"" question, along with Shog9's answer to it.
cc: @MikeM.
 
in completely unrelated news, I've just discovered that SQL doesn't have a function that takes two values and returns the greater (or lesser) of the two, and I am stunned.
and also SEDE doesn't let you create functions so you can't just make one
 
@RyanM yeah, amazing isn't it? For once MySQL wins!
 
4:39 AM
Does MySQL have that?
 
@RyanM GREATEST, there's LEAST as well
 
really though GREATEST and LEAST are exactly what I want
Just so you know, Google, when I'm searching "SQL Server GREATEST", that is not my opinion of SQL Server.
 
@RyanM indeed that is truly horrible. It just smacks so badly of someone completely embarrassed by the lack of such a basic function and needing to come up with a "cool" way to emulate it.
@RyanM I've starred your last comment. It gave me a good laugh...
 
 
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7:02 AM
Doesn't work well with don't edit code.
 
yeah. The OP commented on the accepted answer and I replied there
I didn't want to edit code either
 
@akrun First, chat is not the proper place to ask for a mod to investigate votes. I'm OK with having a general discussion about it, but if you want an actual investigation, you should raise a mod flag. But, I looked into it anyway because I'm just that kind of a nice guy (and have nothing better to do on a Friday night). I found two things worth noting. [continued]
First, you did receive some targeted downvotes from a user within the last 24 hours, but those were automatically invalidated by the reversal script. So...you're right about being a potential victim of targeted downvotes, but you're worrying too early. This is why we ask you to wait 48 hours before raising an alarm (flag), because usually the automatic script does its job, as it appears to have in this case.
Second, I do see some other patterns of downvotes against your account (5, 6, 10, etc. downvotes all from the same user), but all of these (literally all; I checked every single one) come from high-rep users active in the same tags as you who have given you far, far more upvotes than downvotes. Therefore, I don't consider these to be at all "targeted" or in any way inappropriate. They're not personal or targeted if there are an equal number up and down, and these aren't even equal.
This is just a typical case of folks knowledgeable about similar technologies having minor differences of opinion, which is normal and healthy. Take the votes under advisement as an indication that other experts may disagree with your recommendations/choices/opinions, but also take them with the usual and customary grain of salt.
Also...although it was removed from this room because it's inappropriate to call out specific users here, you've mentioned your suspicions about The User Who Shall Not Be Named revenge-downvoting you before in mod flags. We've looked into it. I just looked into it again. They're not. They've certainly downvoted some of your posts, but they've upvoted others of your posts. Please stop fighting with this person. You don't have a bone to pick with them.
@Dharman PREACH! I really wanted to pin this, but I restrained myself and only starred it. Can we get this printed up on t-shirts and bulletin boards? Maybe a site-wide banner?
@RyanM Grrr. I really hate every time someone links to that. It trivializes the entire idea of voting on SO. Yes, sometimes downvotes are inadvertent or misclicks. Sometimes upvotes are, too. But in general they are not, and we don't want people to simply ignore the signal that votes provide because "maybe Tim lost his keys".
 
7:22 AM
@CodyGray You're right, as usual. I was trying to make a particular point, but I could've made it differently and more effectively.
 
@RyanM I pick on you here because I knew you'd agree with me. :-)
 
@CodyGray I'm glad I've managed to convey the impression that I'm open to constructive feedback :-)
 
The key part of Tim's answer is this: "It's one down vote, don't worry about it - as long as you're sure that your answer is good, then put it out of mind." And that's good advice, but it's not the message most people take away from that answer, especially when it's quoted out-of-context.
Speaking of, lemme go bold that part of Tim's answer. BRB
 
Also why am I not surprised that you are the sort of person who posts long, thoughtful novels about cutting boards... and now you've got my looking at knife accessories. I'm gonna have to send you the bill for the resulting purchases...
In particular, you've reminded me that my knives are criminally dull, and that I lack a knife sharpener...there's now one arriving here Monday.
 
@RyanM You got a proper stone, right? :) Not one of those things that look like a dull long round spear with no arrow..
 
7:25 AM
@RyanM should we be concerned that @CodyGray is causing you to sharpen your knives???
 
@RyanM Got someone complaining there that the answer is not long or detailed enough. Anyway, it should not be surprising that the microbiology major has some thoughts about foodborne illnesses or cleanliness. Plus, I like novels.
 
@Scratte I did not, because I'm not confident that I could properly use a stone well enough to create a consistent edge. That stuff takes practice.
@Scratte Also those things aren't sharpeners! They're for honing, and you should have both :-) which is why I'm gonna buy one of them, too, because the one I have is terrible...
 
@RyanM But it really works :) Unless you force it, then it can lead to purchasing of new knives :D
 
@RyanM The video of the fumbling didn't win me over..
 
7:31 AM
@Scratte which video is this?
 
@RyanM There's a video in the beginning of that with someone trying their best to not cut a tomato.
 
I never sharpen my knives, so it is kind of funny that I should have inspired you to do so.
Maybe you'll now start flossing twice a day, too.
 
@CodyGray Thanks.. I forgot. brb :)
 
@Scratte That knife has been used on a considerable amount of sandpaper
@CodyGray Some of my knives are...not quality. I could buy more expensive knives to replace them, but I figure I'll see what return I can get on sharpening them.
My chef's knife is the only good knife I own. Not coincidentally, it's much sharper than all of the others.
@CodyGray Twice?! Is that actually recommended? I'm actually pretty consistent about flossing once a day...less so about brushing my teeth when I am a zombie in the morning.
 
@RyanM I don't even know for sure. I was trying to think of something that they say you should do, but I don't do.
 
7:50 AM
@RyanM I think it's brush twice, floss once :) I had a colleague once that was told to stop picking their teeth for hours each day..
 
Me: "How hard could it be to write a query to approximate a user's current reputation?"
Me an hour later: "Aaaarrghh I forgot about bounties [screaming internally]"
 
@RyanM Why would you need to write a query when you can just look?
Also...if you're using SEDE, I think the user's rep is available directly as Users.Reputation
 
Because I'm writing a modest proposal for how rep should work and want to verify that my math is correct
 
Oh, excellent! I love a good satire.
 
It's a serious proposal, but one that I think is about as likely to happen as the actual modest proposal...
(I may have used that term poorly)
(I think I'm being sassed)
fortunately everything is votes, so I don't have to add another table query to fix this...
 
7:59 AM
"Modest Proposal" is the classic name for a satirical piece, after a trend established by a certain fellow named Jonathan Swift.
For example, you could draft and publish a "Modest Proposal" to base reputation on how many "remember to wash your hands" emojis received by a user.
 
I thought it would be low scored posts are "donated" to high reputation users..
 
9 hours ago, by Ryan M
@Scratte oh goodness, if I wanted to hit the low end I'd just propose that privileges should be based on the number of thanks you've received, because that's the real metric of usefulness...
 
@RyanM Hit the low end of the hypothetical Meta rep, you mean?
 
@CodyGray the low end of the post scores
hmm, I have 10 rep I can't mathematically explain...oh, suggested edits.
 
You haven't really established your Meta reputation yet. Now is the key time to decide what you want to stand for. You could always be a champion of emojis the people.
 
8:12 AM
I thought meta debuts were declined flags or why is my profile page not working..
 
@Scratte Usually, "why can I no longer ask questions?"
But I think Ryan is past that...
 
Anyway, if you're bored and want to know what I think your reputation should be, data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1256298/… Note the caveats at the top: there's a bunch of stuff it doesn't take into account (yet)
 
@CodyGray I thought those were debuts that usually do not go much further.
 
@Scratte Yes, that's true. But they're still the most popular type of debuts.
 
[prepares to be torn apart for writing terrible SQL]
 
8:14 AM
You missed the opportunity for a joke on popular ;)
 
@RyanM Not by me. Let me know when you try your hand at C++...
This SQL code written by a certain Jon Doe actually looks pretty well organized.
 
Props to my SO for the basis for that lookup table. I did not know that trick at the start of the night ^^;
...significant other, not Stack Overflow, although Stack Overflow helped with a lot of the rest of the query...
 
Wait, SO is not your SO?
 
That would only take of 60K from Cody's reputation points.. :)
 
I sure hope not...hard to have a nice dinner date while being peppered with questions about how to write apps.
Jon Skeet, perhaps unsurprisingly, would gain 1,674,171 rep, in recognition of his excessive contributions to the site.
 
8:21 AM
So... because I can't make heads or tails of the SQL code, what is your algorithmic innovation here?
 
It's within 0.2% for me (97670 vs 97641)... not sure if I should be happy or sad...
 
Basically, it replaces the daily reputation cap with diminishing returns on additional upvotes on a given post. First 10 votes are worth 10 apiece, next 10 are 5 apiece, next 20 are 2 apiece, and the rest are 1 apiece. It's implemented as a cap on the score computed the traditional way by 10*upvotes - 2*downvotes. It should probably have a per-post cap of 500-1000 or so, but that only matters in extreme cases.
 
I'd lose 100.. :) But I'd be bothered by the fact that the new score isn't divisible by 5.
 
@Nick I'd say happy, it means it thinks your reputation is an accurate representation of your contributions :-)
 
Woohoo! :-)
 
8:24 AM
Oh, I see. Yeah, that makes sense, then. Jon Skeet hits the rep cap almost every day, so he'd benefit the most. I haven't hit the rep cap all that many times in the many years I've been here.
 
The removal of the daily rep cap is partly a feature, and partly that I have no idea how to implement that in SQL...
 
But it doesn't explain why my rep would go down. What are you deducting for?
Oh, I guess the diminishing returns on a single post, up until the rep cap would have been reached.
 
@CodyGray Glad you asked! As it happens, I made a query for that, too: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1256253/…
 
And I assume this is actually for all time, so certain ridiculously high-scoring answers (cough) don't become a continuous honeypot.
That's good in most cases, but I (perhaps unobjectively) think certain answers are worth the upvotes they continue to receive.
 
@CodyGray Precisely, the main goal is to reward those without excessively rewarding them.
 
8:27 AM
@RyanM so basically if you got 20 upvotes on a single post every day, this would restrict your reputation gain to 190+(n-40) in total as opposed to 200 per day?
 
@CodyGray that post would still continue to return 1 point per upvote that it continues to receive
 
@RyanM Yes, which is a significant reduction compared to the +10 points per upvote that it receives now.
 
@Nick That's correct, I think, yes.
 
Hypothetically, why should I be penalized for an answer that people continue to think is useful over many years?
 
hmm, that lookup table might be wrong
:49761716 yup, this is what I get for copy-pasting tables from other tired people while tired myself
fixed the lookup table in the query.
 
@CodyGray it's less penalized and more rewarded less - the idea being that you have already received most of the reward for having written a useful answer, so you should be rewarded more for contributing additional content
 
@RyanM Thank. I think my brain broke when trying to figure out how that worked :)
 
"Diminishing marginal returns"
 
But I'm still somewhat confused as to how it works. Doesn't TOP 1 only return one record?
 
@Scratte that's to pull the right row out of the lookup table, please tell me I didn't mess that up too
 
8:37 AM
@RyanM I think I missed the offset value. Never mind :)
 
Excellent :D
 
Hmm. Thinking about it, you're basically keeping the same idea as motivated the rep cap (encouraging people to take a break from answering today and come back later to contribute more), but spreading it out over all time (encouraging people to come back and continue to post new content).
 
Exactly.
the daily rep cap also catches posts that get a lot of upvotes in a day due to a lot of people hitting an issue simultaneously (e.g., due to an outage or a bad push), which this also handles, because it doesn't care what day you got the votes
 
It does make sense to cap per post, not per day.
 
I just wonder if it shouldn't start increasing the value of votes after several years have passed and they still keep rolling in. It's quite rare that an answer remains useful after many years, so either it's just that canonical of an answer or you are keeping it up-to-date. Both of those are good, and should be rewarded.
 
8:42 AM
The thing I like about it is that if you post 10 excellent answers, you can get 2000 rep on a single day instead of only 200
@CodyGray that's a really good point...
 
@CodyGray it might be that the solution to this is to handle questions and answers differently. this question, for instance, does not deserve anywhere near 56k rep :-)
 
@CodyGray I'm not sure about that. Usually with everything else in life, you need to keep working to keeping having returns. Not saying that it always works out, but I do not think that the movie ET makes the same when someone watches it now than they did when it first came out. Even if the experience is the same.
 
@RyanM Devil's advocate: why not? People continue to find that question and its answers useful over all these years. Why should it not be rewarded in kind?
@Scratte Um, I think they actually do. Movies and songs still make royalties, even years after their release. Shouldn't they? It's quite an accomplishment to have made something that remains popular, rather than just having a brief flash of popularity.
 
@CodyGray They do still make royalties, sure. But I was under the impression that the rates were lower, and after a certain period even the copyright wears out.
 
@CodyGray it is: my system, at least with no cap, would award 5995 reputation for that question. But it wouldn't, and shouldn't, immediately grant the person every single privilege in the system.
 
8:48 AM
^ You can remove immediately ;)
 
...fair. s/immediately/by itself/
 
It will certainly remove the "I was lucky with that one Question/Answer".
 
and if you think that one is too useful, let me refer you to Proper use cases for Android UserManager.isUserAGoat()?
the question is just "[copy paste API docs] How and when should this be used?"
Score: 3643
 
@RyanM I am not the right person to sympathize with this argument. I'm a bit more like Joel than Jeff, in that I don't believe that there is any such thing as a question that is "too simple" or "too basic" for Stack Overflow. That's clearly a question that developers will have when reading API documentation, so why should it not be rewarded and popular here?
(Also, if you want to fix this problem, talk to the Android devs and tell them to stop introducing nonsense into the API....)
 
@CodyGray But that's not the issue. The post is fine, the score is fine.. but the reputation gained by it may not be fine.
 
8:53 AM
I actually agree, mostly. I just want to reduce the reward that comes from a single popular question. That user would get 3809 reputation for that question: they're rewarded quite handsomely.
 
Yeah, no, it's not a criticism against your proposed ranking system.
 
@CodyGray I have no problem with that question being rewarded, but I agree with Ryan you shouldn't be able to get full site access from one lucky question. Perhaps something like the tag badge constraints (need to answer x questions (or ask y questions) as well as get a certain number of upvotes) is appropriate for some of the higher levels of privileges?
 
I do agree that one "big bang" shouldn't be enough to give you moderation/curation privileges.
Yeah, there needs to be some minimum standard of participation, @Nick. Agreed totally.
 
@Nick I actually would (to a far lesser degree) like to see that changed too, because 1 popular answer and 199 crappy ones gets you the gold badge. But at least they have to be answers, not just questions.
 
@RyanM I think something's a little off with the query. I've tried to see if the end results match my account, and I think there's a discrepancy somewhere.
 
8:57 AM
@Scratte I'm sorry, but this is not enough information to solve the problem. Please provide us with a minimal, reproducible example, including your inputs and your expected results. :-)
 
@RyanM perhaps a minimum number of positively voted answers rather than just answers?
 
@Nick that would be a good change IMO
 
@RyanM a meta post?
 
When it comes to tag badges on Meta, the only reason I haven't earned the vast majority of them is because I haven't posted enough answers to questions with that tag. I think that's kind of funny, actually. I could gain probably 100 tag badges just by posting nonsense answers.
 
Who do you want to optimize for?
 
8:58 AM
@CodyGray I was planning to, but I think it's silly to go over my points here ;)
 
It's silly to go over points anywhere.
 
@Scratte the computed rep is 1602, your actual rep is 1745. As noted at the top, it doesn't include the association bonus, so that's 1702, plus you have some number of suggested edits. Oh, it also doesn't include rep loss from you downvoting answers.
that I think I actually can't fix, because that information is non-public.
 
@RyanM Those might all be features, rather than bugs...
 
@RyanM Perhaps the ministry is better. I don't mind going over them here, but it sort of clutters the conversation.
 
 
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11:26 AM
Hard to tell if this is intentionally spammy or not. Given that it's just an example URL, would it be reasonable to edit this to be example.com? And then close the question because it's off-topic anyway...
 
user12867493
@DavidBuck Agreed, Smokey did report it and I marked it as a false positive due to the fact that there was no spam history for that domain
 
@DalijaPrasnikar C++ 🤷‍♂
 
Well, let's see who I can make angry with that.
 
@JohnDvorak ROFL
 
@DalijaPrasnikar I don't think that is opinion based. There are, on occasions, particular reasons why the latest standard cannot be used.
I was going to offer a reopen vote but, as often in here, somebody spoilt my fun (again).
 
11:30 AM
@AdrianMole Answer does not specify any such reasons that might make this Q/A worthwhile having.
 
Just reading the answer...
 
If it is worthwhile Q/A to have then it should be open, if not bye-bye
 
... I may even consider adding another answer, or offering a comment to Jesper.
 
Well, it is open now. I will not complain about that choice.
 
@AdrianMole An answer would be a lot more useful than a comment to Jesper.
 
11:38 AM
Yeah, but I was thinking of an MSVC-specific reason, which will almost certainly attract downvotes.
 
@AdrianMole That reason being...? MSVC not supporting the latest standard is kind of non-unique. All compilers have that problem at some point.
 
Indeed. But there seems to be a significant caucus of folks in the C++ tag who downvote MSVC-related stuff on principle.
And it wouldn't be an especially good/useful answer, really, so I think I'll pass this time.
 
Yeah, that does exist. It's mostly a historical thing. MSVC has made great strides in recent years.
 
I'm actually coming across more 'grunts' about g++, these days. (VLAs, mostly.)
 
That's how I personally feel.
 
11:44 AM
... and, of course, the dreadful #include <bits/stdc++.h>. Should be auto-nuked.
 
That's not GCC's fault, though....
 
Fair enough.
 
@RyanM I would did go with R/A for that...
 
Yeah, I considered that. Decided to play it conservatively
 
Yeah, nobody ever accuses me of being conservative
 
Yes.
 
12:12 PM
If not, I'm confused as to what it should be closed as. It's not exactly asking for resources.
 
"unclear what you're asking" would be suitable. If it weren't spam...
I guess it's often unclear what spam is asking.
 
I don't think OP was in for any sort of gain for themself though
 
It was their own site - the name matched
 
Yeah, user name was "Kalanchiyam Tutorials"
 
Ah, that's not a good name for someone who means well.
 
12:19 PM
brb, changing my name to "Cody Tutorials"
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I have pinned 5 unclosed non-English questions in my room if someone wants to use up your close votes
 
@Dharman Lemme try to use up mine
 
12:46 PM
@AdrianMole I'mma just close that as a dupe.
You probably could/should have posted that as an answer, but meh. The question isn't likely to help anyone else. And that title.
 
There are many, I know, who would post an answer - it's an easy +15/+25 or so. But, I hear, reputation is going out of fashion in the 'cool' circles.
 
@AdrianMole No way it's worth that much.
 
OP would probably have given me the +15, but didn't have the upvote privilege - so I skipped. :)
 
Oh, I was thinking upvotes. You meant net rep. Makes more sense.
 
12:57 PM
Someone remembers this dog?
 
@CodyGray 25 upvotes is something I have yet to achieve! (That's a badge level, isn't it?)
 
@AdrianMole if you are talking about mortar, is getting the max for X amount of days.
 
No. Isn't there a "Good Answer" for a nett score of 25?
 
Yeah, an achievement that has been accomplished only a scant 458.8k times...
 
@Braiam Are you looking for a lost dog?
 
1:00 PM
@Dharman I think I've seen someone with that image in SE, but can't find it. Probably in AU.
 
It doesn't look familiar to me
Ears are too perky to be Journeyman Geek.
 
Yeah, Jou is very peculiar.
 
1:23 PM
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@Dharman May I ask which your room is?
 
@bad_coder Here, but Cody handled most already. chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/215913/to-be-closed
 
@Dharman it's good to know where the good chat rooms are.
@Dharman Just my impression or does your bot specialize in Spanish and Portuguese?
 
They are the most common ones, but I am trying to catch others too. It's a very imperfect bot and I aim to find the obvious ones. You might still find non-english posts while normal browsing and they might not be reported in my room.
 
@Dharman Is this bot on git?
 
1:34 PM
No.
 
@Dharman well I'm pretty savvy in nlp pt-es if you ever want to throw an idea out there I'll be interested to read about it.
 
I think you overestimate how complex this bot is. :D It's a very simple Get the questions -> check regex type of thing
It was never meant to be robust or really good.
 
no reason it can't be robust or really good though, surely? :p
 
@Dharman Did you ever consider the idea of looking for stuff that is not English, rather than looking for stuff that is non-English? That would be more generic, n'est-ce pas?
 
@AdrianMole I think this idea was thrown in this room before. The problem is how do you actually implement this?
 
1:43 PM
Doesn't SmokeDetector kind of do that but based on characters used or something?
 
Is this English? "I hav problam. Ken u pls halp?"
 
@Dharman Check for a minimal number of (or percentage of) common English words. Prepositions an conjunctions would be a good start: It's difficult to write anything in English without one or two of those.
 
@Dharman it is to some people :)
 
@Dharman IMHO, that ain't English. Well, not proppa inglish.
 
Then you also have: "Tengo problama. erro: "Undefined index on the line...."
There are so many posts in two or more languages
I actually had an idea in December to write a bot for questions, but I gave up due to the fact that it is extremely difficult to write good heuristics to identify what is a good question, what is a bad question and what only needs an edit.
 
1:47 PM
Haven't looked yet but can you get/wangle free requests etc... from cloud.google.com/translate/docs/basic/detecting-language or similar?
 
@Dharman That one is also reversed with the french. They'll write the post in english, but all the errors are in french :)
 
But, either way, scanning inside code-fences is not part of the process, is not?
 
No, but many people do not know how to use code fences
An astonishing amount of people do not know that you can even format code and some don't do it on purpose to avoid SO quality checks
 
Yeah, that's a problem for SmokeDetector too. SD has lots of false positives because of a failure to format code.
 
2:06 PM
@Makyen I am not going to issue any further requests for that question. It was reopened by mod and I trust that judgement.
 
2:17 PM
@JonClements wouldn't help. This sort of problem is dealt with in other ways.
 
 
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4:00 PM
@Dharman That is not English, the opposite, it is lazy or intentionally "I use a different language than my boring parents", a lingo widely used in the teenaged peoples of the world.
 
@Yunnosch a lingo widely used in the teenaged by the inmature people of the world.
 
@Braiam a lingo widely used in the teenaged peoples of the world and by the inmature people of the world. ("peoples" as in multiple societies of different countries and "people" as in many persons).
 
I doubt you can make a plural word more plural.
 
A "people" can be the entirety of all persons in a county, being singular. The difference becomes clear in the pun "We are a cute people." (singular) / "We are acute people." (plural)
 
In English you can ... or you can treat people as a singular; that also works.
 
4:07 PM
@Braiam if I take "plural" and do "plurals" - does that count? :p
 
@Braiam It is a strange inconsistency of English that we say inordinate and incoherent ("in" prefix) but prefer immature and immutable ("im" prefix). And of course we also use "un" prefixes.
 
In other news, English are still weird
 
@Braiam A people can be a finite group, like "the people of the UK". Thus "the peoples of the world" implies that people are placed into distinct groups, even though "people of the world" still works fine.
 
I disapprove. What about misaligned? decoupled? English has many prefixes for negation.
 
:-)
 
4:10 PM
@Braiam when was that actually "news"? :p
 
@JonClements Now clarified. For maximum confusion :D
 
well... both are true of course :)
 
This is quite archaic, and most native English speakers won't know some of the words, but it is a fascinating insight into how cobbled-together English is: en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ruize-rijmen/De_Chaos
 
People learning spanish say that it's difficult, but all the grammar rules and our very neat and tidy conjugation tables make it very predictable.
 
user12867493
Can anyone get me a link to the Stack Exchange CV Request Generator userscript on GH? Thanks
 
user12867493
4:23 PM
Can't seem to find it, only the SO one. Unless it's the same?
 
user12867493
Ah, it is the same. Thanks
 
@Dharman Your examples are both atypical and disproportionate. ;)
And does inflammable mean not flammable?
 
Does anyone have any idea what happened on 29th/30th March? stackoverflow.com/posts/13000176/…
 
@AdrianMole au contraire, mon ami
 
4:32 PM
And what is the non-negated version of disgruntled? Can one be gruntled?
 
> from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition
[dis– + gruntle, to grumble (from Middle English gruntelen, frequentative of grunten, to grunt; see grunt).]
Yep, you can "gruntle"
 
But "gruntled" is never correctly used as an adjective.
 
@Braiam Please refer to my previous message :D
 
Seem that gruntle means to sulk and gruntled means pleased. How very confusing.
 
I think this room is turning into a gruntling chamber for discombobulated gruntlings.
 
4:38 PM
Ohh no. What's a gruntling?
 
It's a baby grunt, obviously.
 
Hmm.. so a gruntling is a baby pig.. and a grunt is a sound that one can make. I assume from being disgruntled.
 
5:45 PM
looks like borderline spam: stackoverflow.com/a/62612531/2275490 I mod flagged already, user has written 8 more or less identical answers within 1 hour
 
^ I went NAA for that. Maybe I'll go do a bit of digging.
 
@AdrianMole just check last 8 answers
^another 3
 
@Vickel 8/8 Canned Pig Flags!
 
user12867493
@Vickel Next time it would be also preferred to report the post(s) to Smokey in Charcoal HQ. I nearly didn't notice the 8 posts. Thanks :)
 
@Daniil I have to go and get myself introduced to charcoal
and I will
 
5:58 PM
@AdrianMole that's probably the greatest synonym I've heard of spam :D
 
user12867493
@Vickel Please do pop-in and say hello :)
 
user12867493
@Vickel I don't think you have Smokey privs so just linking to the user's profile and saying about the repetitive posts would be fine. It helps it get flagged more quickly and the user can be blacklisted :)
 
I know, I have no SD privs, tried it the other day...
 
user12867493
You can ask for them if you want or explain the situation as I said :)
 
6:41 PM
Why hasn't this flag been reviewed yet? No MRE stackoverflow.com/questions/62569261/…
 
because the close vote review queue (where those flags go) is hugely backlogged, with around 6,000 questions
 
@pppery Wow, the timing though... Just got closed.
 
@10Rep yes, by pppery casting the last vote.
 
I cast the third close vote, upon noticing your message, which is why that happened.
 
@pppery I am new here, so I'm asking, is it ok if I ask people to review my flags here?
I have a lot of flags which are pending
 
6:49 PM
@10Rep No. We do not review your flags. However, if you have flagged something that really needs to be closed and after some time you see the flag has not been handled and there is a chance that the post will never be closed you can ask for closure here. I think this would be acceptable, but please read FAQ fully first.
You can always ask for advice whether you even should flag something or not, but don't do it on all your flags. That is what the review queue as for. Their primary job is to review your flags and act accordingly.
 
@Dharman Ok, thank you for the confirmation.
@AndrasDeak It was closed.
 
@10Rep you don't have to tell me that
If you start doing that here it will get very noisy very fast
 
7:05 PM
@SmokeDetector, I have edited the post.
I am waiting for approval
 
7:36 PM
Do questions get auto flagged to mods if there's a long back-and-forth taking place in comments?
 
@DavidBuck Yes
 
I must have set that off a lot :(
 
Thanks. Just curious as a post I'd left open when I went for dinner now has 32 comments going back and forth about whether the question is answerable. I thought it probably would get flagged as I've seen shorter exchanges moved to chat.
 
Oh. Can we get a leader board on who caused that the most often? Please.
 
7:40 PM
If it is not "total" but instead "per month" I am competing...
 
@Yunnosch We may get @RyanM to make a SEDE query for us :)
 
@Daniil You are probably looking for the alpha version of the Request Generator, which is: GitHub (install)
 
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