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12:00 AM
@Dharman No, please. Then we would get even more complaints about why flags were declined.
 
But the whole Badge thing worked in my case. It provided sufficient enticement for me to try my had at various 'other' tasks. Then I got a feel for it, and I do reviews and stuff now for more altruistic reasons.#
 
@CodyGray I don't recall ever hearing why. It seems like an obvious bad assumption that you'd only want to raise a VLQ flag in H&I, and that the VLQ flag just sends it back to Triage, where it was, presumably, mis-categorized previously. I guess, maybe, the erroneous thinking is that the 3 "Requires Editing" votes in Triage shouldn't be overridden by one person in H&I, but it seems like there are better ways to resolve that, given that a VLQ puts it back in Triage: just have the CV do so too.
 
Sorry - miles away. Listening to 59th Bridge Street Song just now.
 
I forgot about the rules for NAA. Is this an Answer for mentioning a library?
 
12:08 AM
@Scratte Wrong answer - sorry. (Refresh rate problems in my brwoser.)
 
I mean someone could find it useful that they mention the name of a library.. but, it kind of looks more like a comment. There's no explanations.
 
That's a sign to an apple shop without an example of what the shop sells. Shog would say (I think): NAA.
 
12:24 AM
@AdrianMole Thanks™ I see you put your mark on it :)
 
 
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2:33 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, not about SO-Main
 
3:29 AM
 
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3:39 AM
@Scratte No, I didn't miss the meta, just what part of the UI has changed.
 
user10957435
Weird, I see the bookmark icon, but not the "Thanks"
 
user10957435
Oh, wait I see. I've been looking at questions this whole time and missed the fact it's an answer-only feature.
 
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@Scratte If the OP has a relationship with the API, it's considered spam. Otherwise, I's say it deserves a down-vote, but I don't think it's exactly NAA. If the library is useful for the problem at hand, then it arguable does at least attempt to answer the question.
 
4:00 AM
@Makyen do you think it's salvageable or should we just delete?
 
@Nick meh. It's closed. It will Roomba. Unless we think it's causing harm (e.g. that the link is intended as spam), give the OP the chance to edit (i.e. let Roomba delete it), even if it's really unlikely to ever be on-topic.
 
@Makyen fair enough. I'll go back in my shell. :-)
 
@Nick :)
 
4:43 AM
^The user gave almost exact same answer multiple times. Only the last one has the link to the blacklisted site
The questions could be duplicates, if anyone has knowledge of the tag?
 
@Vega other than the first answer they all have links to code which requires you to use the same (outscraper) api which is a freemium product, so that would make them all seem to be spam (other than the first) to me...
 
@Nick Thank you:) The first in chronological order? Don't they all have the site in them?
 
@Vega yes, the first in chronological order doesn't have a site link
 
Ah, the link. Yes :)
An other poster? Wow
 
4:58 AM
Perhaps the first one has already been answer banned... ;)
 
dbc
5:34 AM
Should we be flagging all these as spam, or just downvoting + voting to delete?
 
@dbc That last one I raised a custom mod-flag because there is no direct evidence of affiliation, although it's up to you. The rest of those are definitely red-flaggable because the same couple users have been spamming the (paid) service all over SO and GIS.SE
 
5:49 AM
@dbc I've raised a custom flag about all 4 users. There is direct indication that "Vlad*" is the author of the package, and no disclosure of affiliation. The record of the spam indicates it's been going on for 7 months, in spurts. I haven't seen direct evidence of the other users' affiliation, but I'd consider it highly likely.
 
dbc
Hmmm then maybe I should retract my "spam" flag on the singleton post Google Places API reviews confusion. That user only posted one answer so it isn't spamming beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
@dbc I wouldn't worry about it. The mods will see the custom flag anyway, whether the post gets deleted or not, and be able to make a judgement for themselves
 
Aren't they all the same user?
 
dbc
But the flags can get handled by different mods in different orders, right? Or do they get aggregated?
 
@Vega There are 4 different accounts: 1 2 3 4
@dbc IIRC flags on the same post get aggregated, and I think (but don't know for sure) there's some way for the to track multiple flags on the same user
 
5:55 AM
@NobodyNada Yes, I meant same source. Four different personnes don't post the exact same answer to a word
There is a will to spam
 
@NobodyNada Depends how you define "track"... there's a counter on your profile with the number of flags raised against your posts that IIRC links to a list with details.
 
@Mithical oh my goodness, I just realized that you're (were) Mithrandir
I've been gone a while, good to see you again
 
:)
 
 
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Thanks for cleaning up the room, @Makyen. I already cleaned up the spammers. :-)
 
@CodyGray np. The Archiver script makes it easy. :) Thanks for cleaning up the spammers. I'd expect that wasn't quite as easy (at a minimum, requiring more research). It's always nice to see such things gone. :)
 
@Makyen Well, uh... I was actually going to say something earlier, then the topic of conversation changed. But if you really spend hours investigating very many of these things, you are almost certainly putting in more work and being more thorough than is called for. Diamond mods almost never spend that long. Especially for brand-new accounts with almost no activity posting things that look like spam. I just nuke that stuff.
It's not worth the time. (Y)our limited attention/focus/resources are better spent on other, more deserving things.
I don't want this to come off wrong. It's not meant as a criticism, and I really appreciate your thoroughness. It's a big part of why I (and presumably others) think you'd be a great mod. But one of the important things you have to learn is balancing, and spending more than a few minutes investigating a brand-new account who has contributed almost nothing of value is...almost certainly not worth it.
 
@CodyGray At least for me, there's a significant difference between what I would do to convince myself, and the research and organization of the results I do when attempting to communicate the same thing to someone else (and get them to think a similar way as I do). I'd find it significantly less time-consuming to make the decision to act, then the time it takes to get everything in order to convince someone else to do so.
 
@Makyen Ah, okay. Understood completely.
@rene Now that I've bullied you into deleting your Meta answer, I've posted one of my own ;-)
Oh wow...and instant accept. Didn't mean for that to happen. I was still hoping you were going to edit and undelete your answer.
 
8:10 AM
@Chipster Yes, that is what I thought. But AdrianMole said it was NAA and apparently someone removed it (and another answer even, that was slightly more informative :)
 
@Scratte It was NAA. "Try to use this library <link>" is the classic example of NAA.
So was the other answer I deleted, which said the same thing: "it seems like <library> is what you are looking for <link>".
In order for those to be answers, they need to at least show how the library would be used to solve the problem.
@Chipster ^^
 
8:28 AM
@CodyGray Thanks™. I didn't like the answer, and I did feel that it was probably NAA. Knowing how you like to salvage rather than remove, I'll flag the next ones :)
 
@Scratte Um, last sentence is a bit of a contradiction, no?
Not being familiar with the subject matter, and certainly not the recommended library, there's no realistic way that I could salvage an answer like that, even if I wanted to do so.
 
8:50 AM
@CodyGray No. It's like a test. If you remove it, then everyone else would too.
 
@Scratte Oh goodness, no. I'm pretty liberal in terms of agreeing with NAA and VLQ flags, as far as moderators go.
 
 
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10:28 AM
@CodyGray No problem, I'll bully you back later
 
@rene I count on it!
 
11:01 AM
Sorry to all :) @halfer, how is that cute calico?
 
@Vega Pretty good considering her age, thanks for asking :-)
She is currently snoozing in the back yard.
Diabetic for the last three years, and probably on the way to liver problems now. The vet reckons she's about 15 now.
She's booked for an ultrasound scan in the coming week, so they can decide whether she needs additional treatment.
I was away for the last couple of days, so she got extra fuss last night, whilst I watched a movie :=)
 
Good life! Happy to read that :)
Oops, It seems I had a connection problem, I got only the 2 first.
 
Yeah, she is doing pretty good. Some health problems, but not in any discomfort.
She purrs a lot.
 
I hope she will be good soon
 
Thanks :-)
 
11:08 AM
@halfer I learnt that purring is a good indicator, super !
 
@Vega She had a two-speed purring engine. Speed 1 is for an ordinary neck-to-tail petting. Speed 2 is drawing little circles on her crown (sort of a kitty Japanese head massage, I guess). I think she gets high from all the endorphins!
 
11:24 AM
@halfer rofl
 
11:57 AM
Does anybody know why some popular questions don't have "Linked" questions? For example, this question How to split a string into array of characters? should have lots of duplicates but the "Linked" section is not there. And here is a duplicate example that is linked to it (found by google): How to split a input to each character?
 
The first one is not closed, thus no linked section. It is only protected. Am I getting you right?
 
@Georgy No idea but you can always manipulate the URL to see them stackoverflow.com/questions/linked/4978787
 
@Dharman Oh! Thanks! This is useful!
@Vega Just found this meta post: Where is the Linked tab?. I guess it's a bug.
 
12:21 PM
@Georgy Oh, I see now. I have forgotten about that feature :(
 
12:35 PM
@gnat It is in English. I can't judge how unclear it is in Regards to the topic being asked though.
 
@Dharman not before your edit
 
I just rolled back the vandalism and removed noise
 
fine then. Undelplsing.
 
You can still request deletion if you think the question deserves to be deleted. I just said the reason didn't really apply
 
I know
 
12:53 PM
@JohnDvorak I reworked the question. Is there a duplicate for it?
 
plausibly. I'm bad at getting useful data out of SO search though.
 
Ok then we need C++ hammer
 
Why do closed posts say stuff like "not suitable for this site" rather than something informative? To ensure that askers don't get a chance to fix their questions? :thank:
 
Zoe
askers get more info IIRC
 
1:01 PM
real helpful for moderation
 
Zoe
very
 
:thank:
 
Zoe
Don't forget to smack that thank button and subscribe
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:thank: :like: :lessthanthree: :omgwinktongueout:
 
@Kyll Happy birthday
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1:07 PM
@AndrasDeak ":lessthanthree:" is that still on the front page?
 
Probably. Apparently.
 
So, no new developers, then, it's still the two?
:P
 
now they can add "We 🙏 people who create our content for free"
 
pray to people?
 
They send their thoughts and prayers?
 
1:10 PM
... or preyers?
 
How did the commonmark switch go? Any obvious problems spotted here?
 
@AndrasDeak We please people who create our content for free
 
@AndrasDeak maybe this thing - could be CommonMark.
 
Zoe
@AndrasDeak I think you might wanna remove the "who" for it to be accurate
 
1:36 PM
@Dharman For what? I have one of those... somewhere....
 
@JohnDvorak This one. @CodyGray It is closed now
 
I found that hammer, so I had to use it. Thanks, @Dharman.
The comments there are kind of sad. :-(
@VLAZ That bug is apparently unrelated to the CommonMark migration. Ham says he's looking into it separately.
 
Finding voting fraud is quite easy, but identifying which one is the sock-puppet is difficult. Does it make sense that I spend so much time looking for the connected accounts or can I just say that these accounts has a sock-puppet used for voting?
 
@Zoe Slap like now.
 
@Dharman It isn't necessary to find the sockpuppet. If there's truly voting fraud going on, mods can find the sockpuppet accounts.
But next you'll want mods to actually handle your flags. So demanding!
 
1:44 PM
But I am afraid that if I don't give the necessary details they might miss it.
 
At some point, I suppose, you have to assume we're not idiots. It's a struggle, I realize.
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Details are good. But you don't have to do our work for us.
 
@Dharman SE designed tools to allow mods to find voting irregularities.
 
It's not what I meant. I wanted to say that there's so many flags that moderators might be too tired or in hurry and miss some tiny details
 
We'll just have to exercise patience, I believe. And elect more moderators.
 
@CodyGray btw, good look with september training new mods
 
1:50 PM
@Braiam Will we look forward to your nomination?
 
I found the third one out of 5 after I already submitted the flag.
 
Zoe
@E_net4likesdownvotes What's this like button of which you speak?
 
@Dharman Both recent flags are true positives. The first one you raised, I already discovered earlier (yesterday?) and escalated to a CM. There are at least 5, possibly 6 or 7, users in that sock drawer. All of that to say, keep flagging, and rest assured that we can find the socks, even if you can't.
@Zoe ▲
Will someone please let SE know?
 
Zoe
@CodyGray I'm afraid we don't acknowledge that button. #ThanksOrBust #Subscribe #INeedALife :D
 
I, for one, am glad they added a "pray for us" button to this site.
 
1:57 PM
@CodyGray "I pray this answer is correct"
 
"I pray this answer will be upvoted, instead of simply getting prayed over"
 
@CodyGray Hahahaha, you know I'm not very popular :D
 
@Braiam Popularity might not have anything to do with it. I got elected, after all.
I mostly just tell people that they're wrong. I've been told nobody likes that.
 
@CodyGray Let me rephrase that: I have the wrong kind of popularity.
 
2:14 PM
@CodyGray although nobody indeed may like that in general, there is arguably a whole continuum of ways in how exactly one chooses to deliver the message, and certain ways can understandably be much less likeable that others. Codes of conduct in general try to do that - separating acceptable and not acceptable ways, but again, there are nuances which cannot be captured in such codes. Just sayin...
 
@desertnaut Are you trying to say that I have a particularly nuanced way of telling people that they're wrong?
 
I am just theorizing ;)
 
Haha, fair enough
 
It's Sunday, so I feel free to be kind of a philosopher for today :)
 
Yes, we've all learned a lot about knowing when to say "I'm sorry" and "We screwed up" from recent events.
 
2:21 PM
New icon: "This answer is so poor, it will only work if you pray"
 
2:42 PM
@Braiam you want to say you're infamous, right? :P
By the way, I really like the word "infamous" because it seems like it's the antonym of "famous" but it's not. It's just "famous but in a bad way". On top of that it's pronounced differently, too.
I once read an article that was clearly just translated from English and the title was something like "The least famous websites on the Internet". That got me curious, because - how would you find the "least famous"? Well, the Pirate Bay was there, so that answered my question.
 
@VLAZ yeah, took me some time, too, to realize the correct meaning :)
 
@CodyGray But some apologizers have been more apologetic than other apologizers.
 
@desertnaut Helps if you keep in mind it's a synonym to "notorious". That one I was already familiar with by the time I encountered "infamous".
 
@VLAZ Nope, just unpalatable for certain groups :D
 
Since when is the gold badge tooltip blue? It looks...a bit odd. Not a very good contrast, I think
 
2:55 PM
Hi
 
@VLAZ Blame Stacks guidance.
 
Guys i recently enrolled for my cs degree into Snhu. What you think about that school?
 
Sorry smokey, it wasn't meant for you that message :D
@VLAZ I was looking for the tooltips on the design page, but couldn't find it stackoverflow.design/product/base/floats
 
@Braiam First time I ever hear of that page at all.
 
The colors thingy didn't include informational color stackoverflow.design/product/base/colors
Ah, btw, the instant tooltip is a popover, blame this stackoverflow.design/product/components/popovers
 
3:12 PM
Is there a limit beyond which I am no more downvoting wrong answers but I am targeting a specific user? I continue to cross paths with some users that post very wrong answers. After downvoting a first time, I look at its profile and I can easily find other totally wrong answers, but I am not sure if I am allowed to downvote it again on other wrongs. Am I on the bad side if I downvote again because I have looked at its profile?
 
@Steve I avoid downvoting many answers after looking at somebody's profile and they are consistently posting bad things. I'd prefer not to be flagged as serial voter. So, if I open several answers and find a pattern of badness, I limit myself to about three downvotes and stop looking at their answers. Saves me headaches literal and figurative.
I just downvote organically afterwards - if I see they post something and it's a bad answer, then I downvote it. I also don't target them as most likely I'd be voting other stuff between voting on their answers. So, I would hope this doesn't count as serial downvoting.
I've not encountered a problem with this approach yet. Well, that I know of, at least.
 
Well, three downvotes are just a starting point with this one, but at least I could do something
 
By the way, I do the same with upvotes. Some users just post amazing content all the time. So I have to limit myself when going through their answers in their profile.
 
Upvotes should not be a problem in particular if you (serial) upvote answers already well received. It happens a lot to me when I search here and find very often answers from the same users.
 
@Steve I try not to open a profile unless I'm looking for something I know that the user posted.
Some people were complaining that if an user post many bad answers in a short time in a single tag, many people could run foul of the script.
 
3:27 PM
@Braiam Certainly your attitude is worthy, but then why do they give us the opportunity to see the profiles with all the possible details? After finding an abyssally wrong answer, looking at what a certain user has written in the past is a really difficult temptation to resist
 
@Steve I don't care about users, that's how :D
 
@Braiam right, better go to the beach now that they have reopened them. :-)
 
I particularly don't get why people like beaches, they have sand, it's coarse and gets everywhere.
 
It's better than lying on concrete ... at least in theory. According to my experience, concrete isn't bad either.
Grass on the other hand ... big no.
 
4:03 PM
@JohnDvorak Daisies are good, too. Particularly fuzzy ones.
 
@JohnDvorak Eh, depends what grass we are talking about.
 
4:34 PM
@BhargavRao Happy Birthday to you too! (slightly belated :) )
 
5:28 PM
Why is the starred Happy Birthday having a double @?
 
@Scratte Probably one of your weird scripts. I see only one @.
 
@Scratte That's a moderator-only Super Ping™, which will ping the user, even if they are not normally @ pingable. To ping a user who has posted a message in the room, but has not been around in long enough to be @ pingable, regular users have to resort to finding an old message by the user and creating an actual reply.
 
@Makyen Oh :) But the actual message Only displays a single @.
@AdrianMole You're just trying to make me bring folks back ;)
 
Heh. I didn't know about Super Pings. Do Mods have a Super Thanks button, too?
 
@Scratte it's a quirk of the star board...
 
5:36 PM
@Scratte The actual message has two @. I'm assuming the chat software re-formats it to show only one when displayed in the main chat page, transcript, user recent list, search, and full stared message listing (i.e. anywhere it's doing a normal render of the message content). It looks like they forgot to do that formatting for the starboard.
 
@Makyen "super ping" sounds like what you use when you want to unclog the internet tubes. :P
 
And what does the Hyper Ping (@@@) do?
 
@VLAZ :)
 
@AdrianMole delivers the ping in ludicrous speed.
 
@AdrianMole I just reloaded after disabling all my user scripts. There are still 2 @ in the starboard message. Is this a case where crossing the threshold after seeing double makes you see every double thing in singles? Mere øl? :D
 
5:38 PM
I didn't look in the star board until after the Super Puppy posted.
 
@VLAZ :)
 
There - happy now - it's edited :)
 
@Makyen Thanks™ Now it makes sense :) So. Does that mean that I even if I use a double ping, it will not be a Super Ping™?
 
Heh! The Puppy pooped the ping.
 
@JonClements You mean you removed the evidence? :D
 
5:42 PM
/me whistles innocently?... I don't know what you're talking about...
 
@Scratte Yep. It won't work. Super Pings™ are trademarked and only moderators have been licensed to use them. :)
 
That makes me very happy. In case I accidentally hit the @ button twice..
 
@Scratte You're still not safe. What if you became a mod by accident and hit @ twice by accident. There is a non-zero chance of that happening!
 
Then all that happens is this and you delete one of the @`s :)
 
That's another addition to my list of Moderator nicknames: "Ping-Pooping Puppy!"
 
5:49 PM
@VLAZ "become a mod by accident". You mean when @Makyen is elected, but Stack mistakes the spelling and presses the button on me? I assure you, I would be using the Super Ping™ by no accident!
@JonClements I'd like to take this opportunity to explain about one-boxing in here :D It's so rare for me to be in a situation where I can explain anything to a moderator :D
 
Have you gone mad again? :p
 
Your chance of becoming a moderator on Stack Overflow is practically zero.
 
I am permanently mad.. but not yet bald.
 
@Scratte well... I'm certifiably insane and balding... so I think you're winning :)
 
5:56 PM
@JonClements Not sure.. Nobody noticed you're naked when you have cute blue eyes.
 
That's certainly not a bad thing
 
6:23 PM
@Scratte That's possible. Also, imagine you were dead tired, you fell asleep, your head fell on the keyboard, you managed to fill in the nomination questionnaire and submit your application without noticing, you finally got approved.
 
@VLAZ Not possible. I only have 21 edits and some lack in reputation points ;) The rest is.. of course not impossible.
 
I didn't say it's likely. Just that there is a non-zero chance. I think the scenario you described is more probably, though. Of course, the chance of either of these might be extremely hard to distinguish from a zero... :P
 
 
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11:41 PM
My flag on Java test fail : org.junit.ComparisonFailure was disputed. I felt it was unanswerable since the code in question is unrelated to the error and the error is related to the specification of the assignment. Any thoughts?
 
How was it disputed? How can you dispute such flag?
 
When the Question is cleared in the Triage queue. 3 users found it "Looks OK" but the queue doesn't decline one's flag, it only disputes it.
 
Then I think you were just unlucky here. I would have pressed looks ok in Triage.
 
Why would you have pressed that? Can you answer it from the given information?
 
I am not Java SME and I can't judge the technical details of the question. From pure quality point of view the question looks ok to me. There is an error, there is the code and a short explanation of the problem. The only problem is the "Please i need a help for this" which should be removed, so maybe I would press needs editing.
However, in the close review I would have pressed Close. This is because Triage is meant to be quick. Close reviewing needs some analysis to decide if the question should be answered or not
 
11:50 PM
I think I'm doing review all wrong then. I evaluate the Question as to whether or not there's enough information to answer it. This is why I don't do tags that I'm not familiar with.
 
@Scratte As a case where three reviewers chose "Looks OK" in Triage and then the question was subsequently closed, you should raise it in Sam's room.
 
@AdrianMole It's not closed yet :D
 
It is, unless the link you gave is wrong. (@Dharman finished it off a couple of minutes ago).
 
@AdrianMole Ahh.. I blame caching then :) But.. it obviously wouldn't have been closed, unless someone just happened to come by it, so someone with ocd checked their flags ;)
 
@Scratte One reviewer in Triage gave it "Unsalvageable," which would have sent it into the Close Vote queue.
 
11:56 PM
@AdrianMole Not sure.. what if their flag was disputed as well?
 
There's was a vote. And it was one of the three that closed it.
Whether or not the second vote was from the review queue, I can't tell. Dharman (I guess) voted from here.
 
You're right. I'm sorry. It's on the timeline. My flag from First Posts was disputed, but the flag from Triage was not. This is very odd.
 
I voted from here. The second one came from the review stackoverflow.com/review/close/26471195
 
Then I guess it was your flag that sent it to Triage, and the final (but wrong) outcome of that which caused your flag to show as disputed.
 

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