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12:07 AM
@Vickel Congratulations! I'm not aware of a userscript that does that, but it shouldn't be too hard to do to have something just click "Skip".
 
@Makyen thanks, I promise to be faster to get to the next milestone... anyway to find those rare, but often very essential tag wiki edits, you need a lot of SKIP
 
@Makyen "Skip" is fine for those who don't want to review tag wiki edits, but how about for those who want to specifically review those?
 
which is frustrating, specially when 5k+ users go over them and dispatch a tag wiki reject with "This edit does not make the post even a little bit easier to read, easier to find, more accurate or more accessible. Changes are either completely superfluous or actively harm readability."
 
An edit can fail to make a tag wiki even a little bit easier to read, easier to find, more accurate or more accessible and either be completely superfluous or actively harm readability
What's the problem with that?
 
The "Reject" reasons are different for tag wikis, and different again for tag wiki excerpts.
 
12:18 AM
@pppery if you, as a curator have a subject score of 2 or less of what you are reviewing and are not able to read a message saying "we need to change this, because there is a new version available", that's a problem
@AdrianMole looks like they are plain the same
 
Are they? I frequently skip main tag edits (unless I'm an SME), but the reasons for excerpts are certainly different, with "Lacks usage guidance" and "Copied content."
 
@AdrianMole check the link above
rejected like a "normal" edit
 
Some reasons are present (and valid) in both wiki edits and ordinary post edits.
... and some won't be. For example, I doubt that "Attempt to reply" is present in the reject options for a tag wiki.
 
@AdrianMole the thing is, now I have a rejected edit, but the tag wiki needs to be changed, latest version is 4 not 3, how often can I try before I get edit banned?
 
If either of those who rejected your edit is 20K+, then maybe ping them and explain, so that they can then make the edit on your behalf (without it having to be reviewed).
 
12:31 AM
@AdrianMole both are, and it never occurred to me to ping them, I'll try
but wouldn't that be an abuse of privacy? to go after them and send a ping/comment?
I can't do that from the review cue
 
@AdrianMole You'd have to have >10k and go through the review history, picking out ones which have had a single review, but not both reviews.
 
@Vickel fixed that
 
@Braiam thanks, but it should say:"CodeIgniter 3.x is a major version tree (3.1.11 is the latest version of this tree, intended for use with PHP 5.6+)......." as there is a version4, which has its own tag and wiki excerpt
@Braiam maybe this needs some time to migrate...
 
@Vickel I probably would have approved that one. Although it doesn't really have usage guidance, at least it isn't plagiarized.
 
12:47 AM
@IanCampbell user guidance in the wiki excerpt?
 
Unless things changed since this blog I believe a good one should.
Also from the help center
 
@IanCampbell OK, I see what you mean with user guidance... sorry for being blind
 
I wouldn't sweat it too much. My first excerpt edit was rejected. I made it better and it was approved the second go around.
 
yeah no worries...
 
@Vickel I refuse by principle including information that would become arbitrarily obsolete in the tag excerpts. They are mainly for guidance, not for being updated each release cycle.
 
12:56 AM
@Braiam sure, that's a point, but as codeigniter has 4 sub-tags
 
@Vickel I also am against tag versions :)
 
and each has it's own excerpt, I was only editing it to improve the existing. but I get your point!
anyway, this framework has two main-branches, before and after 4.0
completely different approach as 4 is a total rewrite, not upgradeable
so what to do now?
 
@Vickel At that point, it makes more sense to change the name of the software.
 
@Braiam not my decision :)
 
Yeah I know.
I really liked how graylog guys managed it.
They created a new repo, new marketing materials, new everything with Graylog2, and then when they saw that their userbase migrated completely, they pulled the plug.
 
1:16 AM
@Braiam I have been thinking a bit about "I am against tag versions", but I don't agree. There are legacy code questions, which need to be addressed to the version in use. Otherwise answers might fail.
 
1:28 AM
2:30am /o
 
 
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4:11 AM
What do people think about this tag excerpt? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26317849 The editor appears to have created it for their question.
 
@IanCampbell The tag description was quite pointless, specially for Angular NavigationStart event. It never said the real purpose, neither made allusion to Angular. Just a redundant text. Also I am not sure we need a tag for each event. I rejected.
 
Yeah, that was my inclination. It's so sad that excerpt edits stay in the queue so long. 7 days for that review task to complete.
 
5:11 AM
I'd be inclined to remove that tag entirely, but I'm not an SME so I'm not gonna touch it. I can say that similar overly specific tags for frameworks I am familiar with are annoying and make questions harder to find.
It seems like that question should be untagged from , which specifically says not to use it that way, tagged with , and untagged from .
I did the tag swap, because I know enough about routers to know this question is not about them. I didn't remove the tag in question because I'm not an SME and therefore not burninating a tag I don't understand
 
The question also needs details. If it's closed, it will get roomba-ed and then the tag will be eventually deleted as well?
 
If it's roomba'd and no one else uses it, the tag will be deleted
Speaking of tags, what's the best way to advocate for a tag synonym? There's one for a subject about which I am an SME that is both useless and misnamed, and I think it should be a synonym of the main tag.
 
@RyanM Meta.
Sometimes, I even read and action tag synonym requests!
 
 
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6:36 AM
@Vickel That's easily solved by the body of the question/answer.
 
7:11 AM
@CodyGray if you have a bad day?
 
7:22 AM
@rene The way things have been going for me lately, it's more like if I have a good day.
 
oh boy ...
 
7:36 AM
@CodyGray Thanks, done. Broke my lurking on meta.
 
you will pay dearly for that ...
 
Just in the nick of time, too. My power cut for a second or so very shortly after I sent that message...
 
Wow. I can't recall I had a power outage outside of me pulling the breaker.
 
About 20k results when I search Stack Overflow for "recycleradapter", yet here's this crazy guy telling me "There is no such thing as RecyclerAdapter".
 
7:52 AM
LOL
You got it all wrong
 
@CodyGray but that has capital letters! Clearly different /s
 
@rene Curiously, neither can I since I moved here...we don't exactly have ...weather... here in the Bay Area.
And I live in the part of the Bay that is not subject to our incompetent electric utility shutting off the power because they spent years not trimming trees away from the lines
@CodyGray That's Google's heuristics...quoting it reduces it to a mere 3k, and SO search finds a mere 1362. For comparison, another popular misspelling, recycleview, has 2850 SO search results
 
 
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9:40 AM
Both are spam
Interesting, user was caught 6 weeks ago for spamming, but the account hasn't been nuked
 
Perhaps it's easier to track if a user uses the same account?
 
10:31 AM
 
10:45 AM
sd report above is spam
 
[:49647389] <processed without return value>
[:49647253] <processed without return value>
[:49647124] <processed without return value>
[:49647038] You are not a privileged user. Please see [the privileges wiki page](https://charcoal-se.org/smokey/Privileges) for information on what privileges are and what is expected of privileged users.
 
well done ;)
 
Burn Smokey! Burn it with fire!
 
10:50 AM
 
Well, List item to you too!
 
@E_net4_doesn't_like_lists Hmm.
 
@E_net4likestoflag Don't bring such filth here!
 
@AdrianMole Imagine what I think about LISP.
@VLAZ []
 
@E_net4likestoflag Are you thaying I can't thpeak properly?
 
11:06 AM
@E_net4likestoflag That will tech you!
 
@VLAZ do it
 
...I didn't notice you changed your name.
 
@VLAZ When did I not change it
 
Last one I saw was "likes to downvote", I think. But now it's "likes to flag". And you're urging me to flag the message.
 
11:11 AM
Isn't it rate limited or something. I thought you can't change it too often
 
once every 30 days ... per site, and you can propagate that change to other sites even if you can't change it there directly
 
@JohnDvorak Needs debugging details for sure.
 
@JohnDvorak And, with ~170 sites, that's over 4 changes per day.
 
don't forget the metas
 
Meta accounts are the same as the main sites'; except for the actual MSE.
 
11:26 AM
even for the purposes of rate limits?
 
I laugh in the face of rate limits.
 
I thought they were just mirrored but did exist
 
11:47 AM
@AdrianMole you just want the easy way to make money all to yourself.
 
Of course. But that question looks a bt suspicious, IMHO.
^ Don't know what Smokey's "NAA" response is.
 
@AdrianMole isn't it "n"
 
If I knew that, then I wouldn't not know it, heh?
 
@AdrianMole right so. Maybe you know that "n" means no spam
 
OK. But I was just 'wondering' if there's a way to say "not spam, but it is NAA". (That is, a link-only answer.)
 
11:54 AM
@AdrianMole naa — If the reported post is an answer, this command records it as NAA (Not an answer) in metasmoke.
 
Cool! TIL.
 
@JohnDvorak That question was edited but now it needs an MCVE even more.
 
12:11 PM
Morning
 
@rene I've clearly been working in academia for too long.
@Adriaan Is it? I thought it was legit.
 
@AdrianMole it is a legit site, IIRC, but has been linked here quite often the past years, and usually has a questionable reputation with regard to quality
 
OK, but I'm not a CSS/HTML SME. I frequently include links to "cppreference" for example (as do many others in the C/C++ tags).
 
@Adriaan As much as I'd like it to be, I don't think it actually is spam. Yes, the reliability of articles is sketchy at best and I'd prefer people used other sources. But the site itself isn't automatically flaggable. In its defence, it has some decent reference tables. MDN can sometimes be too comprehensive, if you're just trying to find something quickly.
@Adriaan most likely a dupe, to be honest. We have a canonical for it. I've posted it in the comments.
 
12:33 PM
@VLAZ could be, I don't speak any JSON :P
 
1:01 PM
I am horrified my the words of that blacklisted user :o
 
I slipped a delete vote in there
 
@Vega I actually almost didn't click, as I thought it would be something I wouldn't be able to un-see :)
 
It is in the deleted post for which he is blacklisted
 
@Vega Oh. Thanks. I'm spared then.
 
@Scratte Here is what I cannot un-see :/
 
1:10 PM
@Vega Well, we may often wish such (not) but we'd never actually post it.
 
@Vega Sharing is caring? :)
 
I have voodoo dolls of those I even suspect of downvoting my posts.
 
@Scratte Sorry
I thought that it would be said in a kindergarten recreation yard than by adults
 
@Vega No harm done. I just couldn't help myself to try to slip a joke in :) I was also too late to get that punishment, since I can't vote on it.
 
No. It's just plain abusive and was presumably flagged as such. User should be properly told off.
 
1:15 PM
@Vega You can't really tell how old anyone is. I could be 11 or 91. How would you know? :)
 
I would expect him to be baned forever, forever, forever...
 
... painfully banned?
 
@Scratte The rest of the speech was more mature
@AdrianMole :D
 
Need to work on that user-script that sends electric current through the keyboard.
 
1:18 PM
@AdrianMole and their families!
 
@AdrianMole Can you upload a picture of my doll? I'm dying of curiosity (figuratively!) :)
 
@Scratte I've never suspected you of gifting me with a downvote.
 
@AdrianMole Ah, yes, you did say that. I just assumed you only stabbed those, but kept everyone else ready, just in case.
 
That would be paranoia. And I don't stab them; in Glasgow, we deep-fry stuff.
 
Would you be making those dolls out of potato, by any chance? :D
 
1:23 PM
Po' Boy Squirrel, anyone?
Comment in a suggested edit: Edit spilling errors. ;)
 
Wait.. did I just become lunch?
 
@Vega Ban for 9000 years plz.
 
1:44 PM
I don't use an IDE, but I'm getting the impression that this eclipse java question is lacking some details. Any thoughts?
 
2:03 PM
@Scratte Images of code can be considered No MRE
 
@Machavity Yes, but I'm getting the impression that the Question isn't about the code. It's about the elipse setup instead.
Of course the error is in the image, so that alone is a reason to close.
 
@Scratte The first rule of Close Club is we don't talk about Close Club. The second rule is "Closed is closed". Don't overthink the reason
 
@Machavity Is it OK if i overthink what you just said? :)
 
@Scratte Sure, but I take no blame if you wind up out of focus like rene :P
 
Wait.. you made rene blurry?!?
 
2:19 PM
whistles innocently
 
Engineer is truly credit to his team.
 
@E_net4likeslists I would if I could, ha! Although, yesterday I got to review a comment flag from the main site, so I should try ;)
 
@VLAZ, I think the post was a no sense with a reference to their site
 
@VLAZ Yes, on that SD report the domain that was after the @ is what triggered the detections. The detections were that the domain was similar to their username and the NS configuration for the domain was similar to what tends to be associated with some spam.
 
3:02 PM
^ Yep!
 
@Dharman Actually, I think that's spam, with the advertisement in the GIF.
 
What is it advertising?
 
How to say "thank-you" in a variety of languages?
 
@Dharman If you transcribe the words in the GIF and feed them into Google Translate (and search for the apparent name), it appears to be about new songs from a particular (not very popular) artist.
 
3:20 PM
@Vickel I mean, it is clear he's trying to circumvent the api limitations.
 
@Braiam it's a bit fishy, yes
 
Do we do NAA requests in here?
 
hmm... not quite sure from the FAQ. do we?
 
@desertnaut Why can't you flag it?
 
@AdrianMole No, we don't.
 
3:25 PM
Then why should we flag it? NAA is sufficient if one person flags only
 
:49650791 You sure it is? The question seems to be asking for where to download it.
 
@desertnaut NAA flags only take one so we generally don't request them unless someone defeated your previous flag (i.e. the poster deleted and undeleted)
 
^ that
 
@Machavity copy that
 
@AdrianMole I think that if you for some reason cannot flag yourself, then as an exception. Which I have done on a couple of occasions, though I didn't use flag-pls.
 
3:26 PM
@desertnaut I think one of the bots that runs in SOBotics allows you to 'report' NAAs.
@Scratte Yes. And, of course, there is the 'devious': "Is this NAA?"
 
It's perfectly fine to ask for opinions about if something is NAA
 
@desertnaut It's not a big deal. It's just nearly useless for more than one NAA or VLQ flag to be active at a time. The only thing it does is make it require one more "Looks OK" response in the review queue per additional flag.
 
@AdrianMole I don't really use that to make people flag it. I ask it to find out if it is.. the fear of the declined ;)
 
I guess it would make sense only if I had run out of flags and could not flag it myself
 
3:33 PM
@desertnaut Yes. If you can't flag it yourself (e.g. you've run out of flags, or you've previously flagged it and it's been kicked out of the review queue), then requesting a re-flag is fine.
2
 
@Makyen copy, thanks
 
np
 
 
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5:31 PM
@desertnaut OP has edited.
 
6:04 PM
 
I do not understand why I'm not allowed to do more than 20 reviews on one queue. It can't be because Stack Overflow doesn't want to overburden me, because they will let me do 60 reviews a day. 20 on each queue that's accessible for my reputation level.
 
All work and no joy makes Jack his employer's toy
 
All work and no quarrel makes me a happy squirrel..
 
@Scratte You're wanting to be the next Kyll?
 
6:45 PM
@Scratte I don't recall any other reason having been offered by SE, other than that they don't want people to burn out on reviewing.
 
@Makyen I always found that argument flaky when other more sound argument could be done.
 
@Machavity Depends. Would it be good? ..but I don't see any saber-teeth on Kyll, so not sure we're closely related :)
 
ie. that we want the queues to get many points of view.
 
@Makyen That's not really a good argument. Then they should limit the number to total reviews, not the reviews per queue. I'm sure that if you wanted to, they'd let you do 160 reviews a day.
 
6:51 PM
@Scratte It's not my argument. :; I agree with both you and @Braiam that the argument is ... lacking.
 
8 queues with 20 on each. (Expect maybe not 20 on Help & Improvement, since it seems to be quite low all the time now)
@Makyen I didn't mean to imply it was yours :)
 
@Scratte I didn't really think you were. It's mostly that I find the argument a bit frustrating. I rarely like someone deciding to be my nanny (talking about SE, not you). OTOH, I understand that if they didn't limit it in some way, then they would get a few people that did several hundred reviews in a day, and those reviews may be significantly lower quality as it gets further along in the number that they do.
There's also a reasonable argument that for some queues, where they are not consistently full, that it's good to spread the reviews around to different people. But, I don't recall SE making that argument, although they may have.
 
Where I can find the good ol' chatexchange script that allowed you to reply to yourself and reply to stared message?
I use rchern one, but I was used to one more featureful
 
@Braiam Is it Sam's Chat Improvements? I can't say for sure, as I don't use that one.
 
@Makyen Jeff Atwood did here "We really want vote diversity here, so that's the point of the limits -- if the same 2 folks are vetting all the edits, that's not a sufficient set of eyeballs on those edits."
 
7:03 PM
@Makyen Personally I'd prefer to do 60 on a day on just one queue, instead of spreading them over several queues. But of course that would be tricky to do on days where the number of posts in a queue is very low. But.. I see the argument of vote diversity, though I find that a little strange as well, as no one can vote more than once per post. And no one limits my flagging of post outside the queue (except for the 100 daily flag limit)
 
@DavidBuck Thanks. I must have missed that one. I agree that it's a good reason.
 
Nearly half of all the tag excerpt / wiki's I've ever reviewed are reviewed by greg-449. Not that he doesn't do a good job.
 
@CodyGray That one seems to not like greasymonkey
 
@Braiam I'm not aware of one. OTOH, I do have two which separately do those functions, which should be released Real Soon Nowâ„¢.
 
@Makyen Is it the USSR script that puts diamonds on moderators in chat?
 
7:10 PM
@Scratte Yes. You can turn it on/off in the options.
 
Ah, I'm not sure if Sam optimizes for greasy monkeys or not.
 
@Makyen I tried to make a script myself, but it's only working sometimes :D So at the moment Cody is hot pink, but with no diamond. I wanted to try to find your secret to fix my own script.
 
@Scratte OK. That CSS is in the block of code here in the URRS. You'll want both rules.
 
@Makyen I see. I'll need to study the rest though. I used the CHAT.addEventHandlerHook but my change seems to get overridden. Thanks for the direct link :)
 
7:26 PM
@Scratte For that change, there should be no need to use CHAT.addEventHandlerHook() at all. You should only need to append the CSS in a <style> to the document.head || document.documentElement.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure why the code is so complicated there. All you need to do is add a CSS style that applies to .username.moderator.
.username.moderator {
    color: hotpink;
}
 
@CodyGray Is yivi writing scripts now?
 
Does everything you need. If you want a diamond, add a ::before or an ::after or something.
 
My reasoning is that I have no idea what I'm doing :) I'll follow up any suggestions though :)
 
@CodyGray If you mean in the URRS, the code is complicated by A) having lots of the CSS in one location; B) the ability to turn it off and on; and C) There are times when the diamond already exists in the Chat UI, so it's not desirable to have it duplicated.
 
7:53 PM
@MikeM. Looks like an question. I guess that's why your hammer missed the mark.
 
I guess Mod Mallets never miss their mark, though.
 
@CodyGray Yeah, it's kind of a pain not having [android-studio] gold, 'cause there are so many mis-tagged duplicates.
 
8:11 PM
Wow, look at that. Someone beat me to the punch.
 
@MikeM. I would argue that we seldom need an android-studio tag, just by it's misuse.
 
@Braiam I see a lot of removals in the edit reviews (most of which I approve, BTW). But, with ~68K questions, it'll be a hard one to burninize.
 
@AdrianMole Actually, it's super easy, just ask for a tag warning :)
 
Hmm. There's so much about tags that I don't understand. (And mostly don't want to understand: far too many tags, IMHO.)
@Braiam Like the use of the tag on questions which also have , despite the 'warning' in that tag's excerpt.
 
@AdrianMole if someone is using then just report them to the authorities
 
8:23 PM
hehe What authority? Is CSS one?
 
@AdrianMole monkeys plural. It's yivi and Heretic Monkey.
 
@AdrianMole I think you don't know about the tag warning functionality :D
 
@Braiam No, I didn't. Thanks for that (I'll give it a read).
 
@AdrianMole CSS is a Brasilian band: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_(band)
 
@Braiam I'd say that tag is actually becoming more relevant, as time goes on. The IDE collects new glitches, as well as new tools, and changes in existing ones, etc. There are many questions for which it certainly is appropriate, but, yeah, there's a ton for which it's not, too.
 
9:10 PM
+1 to Mike's argument in support of the tag, there are quite a number of legitimate questions in that tag. The problem is that people don't understand the difference between Android Studio and the Android framework. So the text of the questions is often similarly wrong.
 
I think it's true. Haskell questions are audits. Also, comments from a month ago doesn't seem to fit that the Question supposedly was asked "3 mins ago".
 
@RyanM I'm not saying that the aren't legitimate android studio questions, is just that if that prevents the user from using the system tools effectively, we need to review its existence.
 
@AdrianMole copy, close vote retracted
 
9:42 PM
Think a username "RacistGymTeacher" is offensive enough to mod flag?
 
@IanCampbell No
I don't like it, but it's not targeting anyone and users get a lot of leeway for their name and about me
 
10:02 PM
@Braiam do you think making the tag wiki excerpt mention it more prominently and at the start would help?
 
@IanCampbell It's certainly provocative but that doesn't make it offensive. There are many usernames that, under a puritanical rule, would be disallowed. Think of the RO with the orange helmet.
 
10:19 PM
 
@desertnaut should the request be binned as well? since (assuming I'm looking at the right one) the OP has edited to your satisfaction
 
10:34 PM
@AdrianMole I thought that was a "mystery cat" or holes in teeth..
 
Well, in most of Scotland/Ireland, it's the name of a famous dentist (Phil McHafferty); but there's a less genteel version of the story, too.
 
@AdrianMole I guess I'm just blissfully ignorant then :)
 
... but that's the point I was trying to make. There are many words and phrases that, should one choose to, can be (mis)interpreted as offensive. But that does not make them so: Imply != Infer.
It's the old "double entendre" effect. So, for example: A girl walks into a bar and asks for a double Entendre. So the barman gave her one.
 
@RyanM sure, bin it
 
cc @Makyen ^ (link)
 
10:47 PM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
11:18 PM
"Racist Gym Teacher" has been flagged countless times. Enough times that I recognize that name immediately. Multiple moderators, including myself, have deemed it not offensive. One of the times I declined it, I said something like, "While the idea that the name stands for (racism) is rather distasteful, the name itself is not offensive, not any more than the user name "CompleteMoron" would be. At least they're honest!"
@Machavity Was going to ask you to reconsider after an edit, but found a dupe instead.
 
@CodyGray Even better. Thanks
 
I tend to think almost every question containing "best practice" is a legitimate, salvageable question in disguise.
 
11:50 PM
@CodyGray But the rules!!!!111ONE (about invalidating answers)
 
@Braiam Oh, that doesn't apply to me. I have a "delete" button for invalidated answers. :-p
 

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