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12:01 AM
The slow closing is not making things better, for sure. Not sure if I'm just weird, but I stop reviewing when my pending flag count is too high. Then I patiently wait until they are either handled or ages away. I have a few very low traffic ones, so it seems I'm on a 14 day break now.
 
I'm pretty sure I peaked well over 100 pending close flags
should've followed up more of them with votes once I got CV privileges...I wonder if you can mark your own flags helpful.
 
I'm guessing: No :)
 
that is, I wonder if there is a requirement that the close flag and the close vote marking it helpful are cast by different people
bahaha, you can - there is no requirement that the people involved not be the same person
 
But I don't really see the point of keeping reviewing with a high pending number of flags. The reason they don't get handled is because there's too many posts in the close vote queue.. adding more doesn't seem very.. constructive.
 
@Scratte There are checks in place, even for many moderator actions, let alone just someone just using a gold badge to close a question as a duplicate. The OP can always raise a flag. The community gets to see almost all actions and has ways to cause the actions to be reviewed by more people; etc. It's true that it's harder to review some actions more than others, but closing a question is fairly easy to have reviewed, and the review is sometimes automatic.
 
12:08 AM
@RyanM Heh.. I'm sure deleting ones own post will also be an option :)
 
@Scratte I can tell you that at least I review the CV queue with a filter on, so [android] flags are much more likely to be spotted and voted on, and once multiple close votes are on the question, they seem more likely to be dealt with more quickly
unless they're also firebase questions. I don't really do many of those.
 
@Scratte In general, moderators have said that people should continue to review and raise flags, even if there's a backlog. The flags will get handled eventually, except the ones which can expire, but those are, almost, all either ones which are handled via review queues (close, NAA, VLQ), or which are considered high priority (spam, R/A).
 
@RyanM Yes, I have noticed that Question that doesn't have a language tag are not very likely to get closed.
 
@RyanM Yes, the CV queue does prioritize questions based on the number of existing votes/flags.
 
@Makyen Oh.. but it's too much for me to keep tabs on 100 flags :) I try to keep them under 20 for Questions.
And there's the frustration of busy-work.
 
12:14 AM
There are several people with CV privileges in the [android] tag, so those are usually either closed or roomba. And I usually cv-pls them a couple days later if they won't roomba and aren't handled by then (the delay is to prevent flooding the room with all the terrible questions in that tag that would be closed/deleted anyway without any additional action)
 
@Scratte Why? Either just put them in their own window, follow them, bookmark them, just look in your list of flags; etc.
 
(I wish I could see the actual number of close votes I've cast)
 
@RyanM That should be available in your list of close votes.
 
@Makyen I don't trust the follow feature just yet. I check to see if they have been edited. Sometimes when an answer comes in, the close votes also just stop coming.
 
@Makyen that doesn't let you see the votes on deleted questions, which is, I believe, most of them
I have 1629 close votes in there, but I'm quite sure I've cast well over twice that
 
12:18 AM
@RyanM It does if you have > 10k rep. I thought the count was accurate even if you have < 10k rep.
 
@Makyen ooh, that's good to know...something to look forward to, then. It's definitely not for <10k - the count matches the page count * 30
 
12:31 AM
@RyanM Well, that makes it fairly clear that the displayed count doesn't include deleted questions when rep <10k, because you'll certainly have a significant number which are deleted.
@Scratte Well, you could just create a chat room and dump a message with the URL of each post when you flag it. A quick adjustment to the URRS, so it runs in that room, would give you an easy list indicating the current status of the post and if it's been edited since you posted the message it in the chat room. Obviously, it would make the list of posts you flagged public, but it would work.
Hmmm... actually, you could combine it with using the Archiver, which shows deleted chat messages in rooms where you're an RO or on sites where you're a moderator. You could then just delete each message after you create it, which would make it a bit more private (not totally), but would still give you the list, if not quite as convenient.
 
@Makyen But what happens when it's edited is that I'll respond to the edit. They're usually not addressing all the issues, so I'll keep revising the same post until it's OK :) I'm also not very good at user script creating, so I think the project would be very.. time consuming :)
I have currently 26 pending flags. Some of those are on Questions with code in images. Chances are the flags will age away, and the work reviewing them was sort of wasted. I suppose I just think of it as fruitless work, so doing it very slowly is not harmful.
 
12:50 AM
@Scratte The only userscript change I suggested was adding your new chat room's room number to three lines at the top of the URRS. That's ... really not that difficult. Everything else already exists. Alternately, you could set revisits for each post you flag, so you automatically revisit the post after the time you select. Sure, there's scripting you could write that would make it easier, but it's not required.
 
@Makyen Oh. I didn't think of adjusting the current one. I'll consider it :)
 
 
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2:00 AM
@Makyen Speaking of revisits, is it a known issue that the revisit feature quite often fails to save? Firefox Nightly with TamperMonkey
 
@RyanM Failing to save should be relatively rare. Are you still using Greasemonkey? If so, I wouldn't give it any guarantee of working.
 
@Makyen Nope, I actually never had Greasemonkey with SO userscripts, I was just mixed up a while back when I said that previously.
I can also debug it a bit if you point me toward the general area to look. I'm not a JS dev but I vaguely know my way around dev tools.
(well...assuming that the dev tools work reasonably on userscripts. but hey, I can use Google...)
 
> InternalError: too much recursion
That's a message I've not seen in a while in Firefox.
 
2:25 AM
@RyanM OK. That part is a bit ... convoluted. You will get a failure to save reasonably commonly if you've opened multiple tabs at the same time, or within short period of time (including as a result of revisits). The script implements a relatively primitive locking mechanism for the data structure which is used to store the data, which is ultimately held in the browser's background process, but which has to maintain some level of consistency between the various processes and tabs.
Unfortunately, there's no method implemented natively to allow for locking, so it's a bit haphazard.
The notification that it failed to save happens when the tab which is wanting to save attempts to obtain a "lock" on the data structure, but fails get the lock because the prior lock hasn't been released, has not yet expired, etc. This can be made worse by the fact that the different processes/tabs don't maintain synchronization of the data all that tightly (e.g. each process/tab will have at least two levels of caches for the data and won't, necessarily, update them immediately upon a change).
I've made some changes/improvements in this area, but they got tied up with reworking how the revisits happen and have not been completed yet.
 
3:06 AM
Ah, that would explain it. My workflow is, shall we say...tab-heavy.
 
 
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4:32 AM
@RyanM Yeah, that will make it much more likely that you'll see failures to save more often. Ironically, the way Greasemonkey implements userscript storage is actually much better for this, because it doesn't implement a per-tab cache (i.e. the Promise it uses for the interface isn't fulfilled until the data is actually fetched and returned from the background context), so it's much more likely to have the data stay in sync. The problem is that it's just not compatible with everyone else. :;
 
 
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7:37 AM
@tripleee - sorry was away over the weekend to retrieve my car (was strandd for 2.5 month). It might be ... =|
 
7:48 AM
@DavidBuck I have seen that problem in a question no late than yesterday
But it was a from 4 years ago. I am wondering why it came up : stackoverflow.com/q/37827824/5468463
 
8:23 AM
@Vega Oh, I would have guessed it was this one which got spammed yesterday. It's obviously a popular question from academics who don't bother to even change the values year-to-year stackoverflow.com/questions/30066881/bank-account-java-program/…
 
8:52 AM
I'm not I understand how posts get invalidated in the close vote queue, and why it doesn't affect the flagging of the post. Like in this timeline: stackoverflow.com/posts/62176326/timeline
Why is the flag not aged away or declined/disputed?
 
9:06 AM
@Scratte There were no reviews while the question was in the CV queue, so it doesn't change the status of your flag. Your flag will be active until it ages away. That happens at the same rate as for close-votes. Close-votes, on a question with < 100 views, will age away between 13.5 to 14.5 days after the the most recent close-vote is cast on the question. See Age close votes after 14 days, regardless of views, allowing recasting for more information.
 
@Makyen Ok. So a post ages away in the queue independently of the flags/votes. It's not given much time in the queue, huh? :)
 
@Scratte Yeah, I'm not sure what's up with that. I've seen ~14 days and ~4 days, but it hasn't matched the aging away of the CV/F which put the question in the review queue.
 
I'm guessing that if it had had any reviews, they would still not have made a difference, unless the review had had an outcome. I mean would one "Leave open" have an effect on the flag?
 
I'm not sure.
 
That's OK :) I was just curious :) No need to go into the abyss and find the rules.
 
9:22 AM
The pulling of the post from the queue also means that there's noway to get the flag declined/disputed from that point on. Then it just sits there for 10 extra days doing nothing.
^ that is not what I meant to say. I'm not me. It's sunday.
 
I believe the time in the queue is determined by the number of close votes (and maybe flags?)
posts with 2 close votes will wait much longer in the queue than just 1
it could still be marked helpful after leaving the queue, though
I'm curious if a second close vote puts it back in the queue for review...
 
9:45 AM
@AdrianMole There's even a French version :)
@RyanM I can't see them when there're in the queue. But if it's invalidated again in 4 days, then I guess: Yes :)
But test like this should be done in "secret" :D Odds are it will be closed before the 4 days are up in the queue.
 
10:10 AM
this request (not from me) seems to have escaped archiving due to being closed and then reopened after being fixed
 
10:53 AM
@RyanM I'm on my laptop so moving that one is a bit hard for me, maybe @Makyen or @Machavity can take the honors when they are around (assuming the other RO's are unlikely to show-up today.
 
 
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11:56 AM
Hehe! Somebody thinks a vintage arcade game can manage software installation: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26343671
 
@AdrianMole it actually is called "Pacman".
 
Web search said "PackMan" - or is that something else?
... then that's a big "Oops" from me, I guess.
 
..heh. I just found it too: wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman
 
{sulks}
 
wonder if you can ping them on the post, since there were a suggested editor.
Ahh.. it just need one more approved edit, I suppose. You could do a review-pls :)
 
12:06 PM
I gave a comment on one of their recent answers: stackoverflow.com/users/10871073/adrian-mole
 
But you linked to your own profile :D More beer?
 
Oh dear - digging deeper. How can I get a link to the review?
 
you linked to it yourself about 10 messages up :)
 
OK, link in comment fixed.
Here's the link to my comment. Bad hair day.
Thanks, @Dharman.
Mere wodka!
 
v.. vodka :) I don't have any. I've emptied every bottle of stuff I had :(
 
12:20 PM
But I want Polish wodka.
 
Wouldn't that then be either "Wódka" or "wiÄ™cej wódki". Note: I have set to on :)
 
I don't do Pokemon, but I know a thing or two about Pacman. ;P
 
Careful, this may evolve into whack-a-mole ;)
 
Pffft.
 
 
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2:49 PM
@rene @RyanM @Makyen Binned
 
@Machavity Thanks for the ping. I was just starting to look at it. :)
 
You binned Makyen ... noted
 
Well he had it coming. His bot keeps spamming the room :P
 
True that
 
3:12 PM
:)
 
3:27 PM
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter not even please, alas
 
@AndrasDeak Indeed!
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt
 
 
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6:02 PM
A username to end all others: stackoverflow.com/q/62249511/10871073.
Though, of course, "halp_stucked" would be even better.
 
That's a great question title too
 
7:16 PM
@AdrianMole so_sukc
 
8:14 PM
What does this comment mean?
 
@Scratte "You got it" is a friendly way of saying "OK" or "Will do"
 
@NobodyNada Ok, thanks :) I'll go back to it tomorrow then :)
 
8:54 PM
@Dharman I downvoted the question - now it will go Roomba (in 0 days).
 
@AdrianMole Those rules changed last year, now it is X amount of days fulfilling delete conditions.
 
Thanks. I think it will roomba in 1 day, so there is a chance someone will find it and give it the 4th upvote. Safer to delete it via votes.
 
Hmm. So is the Roomba-predictor script from @Makyen out of date? That script says it will Roomba.
 
Makyen's script is inacurate and it rounds to 0
 
@Dharman Well, since you asked so nicely. :)
Makyen is Off-By-One?
 
Although, I am not sure which criteria apply in this case. It might roomba tonight, but votes are still more reliable.
 
I don't know if including the logic would be cost effective.
 
I've downvoted Questions on the last day of the 30 day rule. They Roomba earlier than having met with the condition for 30 days. Usually they Roomba exactly when the Forecaster says it will.
 
I know it works 0 day with answers, but I think there is a delay on questions of at least 24 hours.
If I downvote on Friday it will roomba in 8 days
 
@Braiam Thanks for the link.
 
9:00 PM
@Braiam It would have been nice if that Meta had been updated accurately, instead of inaccurately.
@Scratte Only the 30 day rule, RemoveDeadQuestions, is affected by the requirement that the downvotes which pushed it under the criteria be more than 2 days old.
 
@Makyen Ah.. that's what it off by one then :) I'll start doing it on day 29 then.
But I got a little confused about Roomba in 1 day as opposed to Roomba in 0 days.
 
@Scratte It depends. It's a weekly task that runs at 03:00UTC on Saturday. So, it only looks at votes which occurred at least 2 days prior to that.
@Scratte 0 = it is expected to Roomba within the next 24 hours. 1 = 24 to 48. The tasks run at most once per day.
 
Is it 2 days as in 48 hours or would a downvote on thursday evening do it? I can make it into a wednesday ritual :)
 
@halfer Is that question trolling? Seems very close to it.
 
@Scratte Other than just wanting to know, don't sweat it. Things shouldn't be downvoted to have them deleted. They should be downvoted if they are worthy of a downvote based only on the content. It shouldn't matter when you do it. The Roomba will get it, when it gets it.
 
9:11 PM
@Makyen I think Shog was slightly fed up with us downvoting instead of fixing :)
 
@Makyen Yes.. and hmm.. I used to vote on them immediately, only to see my vote be countered. But I've rarely seen it countered if I wait a few weeks.
So while I will vote on content, I don't mind putting it off a few days or weeks. If that makes any sense.
 
It would be an unusual question that deserved a delete vote but not a downvote.
 
I'd share my pending flags with you @AdrianMole ..and the list of aged away. Things don't always get what they deserve :)
 
@Makyen But your script does actually point out that a downvote will enable Roomba - which is sort of suggestive, is not?
 
@AdrianMole It very rarely happens with questions. It happens more often with answers. The answer might be good and will not deserve downvote but the question should be deleted. In such situations it is better to delete question via votes than to send the answer's author mixed message.
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9:17 PM
@Makyen the originating answer for that meta.stackoverflow.com/a/307010/792066
 
@AdrianMole It doesn't mention it if you set the option not to display that information.
 
Ah! I'll need to read the instructions.
 
Hint: Don't tick the "Show if voting down the question or answer(s) will qualify the question for Roomba." :)
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I guess not, I think they are just very lost.
 
@halfer Yeah, could just be a misguided user
 
If it was trolling then they didn't get any reaction :-)
 
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10:45 PM
Why is Smokey reporting the same post twice? just now versus first time
 
@Scratte 2 separate reports/post records. The reports were about 4 hours apart. It was re-scanned because it got an answer.
 
Ok. Thanks. I though perhaps I'd been moved to a parallel universe.
 
11:08 PM
 
@Scratte Based on current events I think that happened a few months back
 
@RyanM What events? You're saying I'm in the wrong universe? :)
 
@Scratte I think we all got moved to a parallel universe where things just make less sense. Surely in the logical universe I thought I was in, things would happen much more sensibly.
 
@RyanM Making sense of the world is not sensible :)
 

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