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12:06 AM
 
12:23 AM
@halfer Did you intend that to be a cv-pls?
 
@AdrianMole is this answerable now? Is the answer not "your compiler is old"? And OP is claiming in comments that it still doesn't compile. Is it not no repro?
asking because you reopened it
 
@AndrasDeak I voted to reopen because the OP had addressed the points raised in the comments, and which were the given close reason. But I agree that it could now be closed again, but for a different reason - as stated by the OP in the comments.
 
12:38 AM
Do we reopen to close with other reasons now? :)
 
Generally, I don't support doing so. But in this case, I felt it was the 'right thing to do' on balance. (Maybe a weak moment?)
 
maybe
technically that means no repro might not apply...
oh well, not my tag
 
 
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1:54 AM
@SotiriosDelimanolis did you flag the voting pattern to the moderators?
 
Oh damn @HovercraftFullOfEels ahaha that was meant to be a flag, no delete-pls
not a *
 
2:46 AM
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, invalid request, posted in error
 
 
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6:48 AM
... how do you use the one-letter shortcuts? Apparently either even a comma breaks them, or they don't work at all for me.
 
Is this NAA? I mean it is an answer, but the question was about memory management, but the answer seems to be about memory management in humans, not computers...
 
7:03 AM
@JohnDvorak Yes, the one letter substitutions must be surrounded by an actual space character or the beginning or end of the request reason.
 
Please replace by the real word boundary match.
 
@JohnDvorak I've generally been of the opinion that more restrictive is better. Having it be more restrictive makes it less likely that the substitutions will be activated when not intended. IMO, it's better to have their use potentially introduce some additional spaces in the resulting message, than to have them used in more places where it's unexpected.
I'm willing to consider changes to the implementation, but there's a mix of things to balance. I'm not sure if there's a good solution.
 
7:34 AM
I've seen smokey post this Link at end of answer a couple of times regarding links to regex101.com. Not sure how smokey works, but is there a list of sites to ignore regarding external links?
 
8:30 AM
@DavidBuck Yes, there are a couple/few such lists in SD/MS. regex101.com is on one of them. So far, implementing exclusion of the sites on those lists has only been done on a couple/few detection reasons. Doing a more general, and thorough, implementation is definitely on the list of things to do. It's not too difficult, but it's overall impact wrt. the possibility of not detecting some actual TP posts needs to be evaluated.
 
 
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9:36 AM
@Makyen I did, thanks - raising flags while tired again ;-). Would you delete the original? I will re-raise.
 
 
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11:00 AM
 
11:19 AM
Is "Yikes" a recognized SD command? :-)
!!/Yikes
 
@AdrianMole No such command 'yikes'.
 
"Yikes" should be a legit feedback for "well I'm glad you brought it to our attention but it's not really spam" ;-)
 
Hehe - but that was a decent edit, BTW.
 
Thanks! I left a comment as well explaining why I did what I did, just took a little bit longer to write that.
 
11:50 AM
What should one do with a tag that's used for two different things, and about evenly split? stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/eris
 
Burninate! Burninate! Burninate!
 
Presumably it should be replaced with two different tags, one for each use-case?
something like [eris-discord] and [eris-blockchain]?
or...[eris-contracts]?
and do I have to actually write a meta post or can I just split the tag in half myself? it's 13 questions and extremely obvious which are which - 5 are the discord library, 7 are the blockchain platform, and 1 is a typo of "esri"
okay, now it's 12 questions. I fixed the typo one.
 
With 'only' 12 questions, you could certainly do the required editing/deletion yourself. Be a hero!
 
12:10 PM
Done. [eris] is no more, long live [eris-discord] and [eris-blockchain].
 
On a similar topic, do you think we should get rid of
I can open a Meta question about it.
 
@Dharman hmmmm that's not the worst one I've seen... a lot of them are about character counting, and someone could be an expert in that, what with all the multi-byte and/or multi-codepoint characters...
 
You are right. Let's not waste time.
 
If you wanted to improve it, you could write it a nice tag wiki
 
12:26 PM
@RyanM It's more of an implementation detail.
Some languages count characters, other byte length.
 
@Braiam which is exactly why it's tricky and trips up a lot of people. If you need one and you're getting the other, you might be rather confused.
it's rarely an implementation detail - generally it's an important part of the API contract
e.g., Twitter's API documentation has an entire page on counting characters: developer.twitter.com/en/docs/basics/counting-characters
 
@RyanM When I said it's an implementation detail I literally mean it: it depends on how the language/framework/etc. counts them. So, no one can expert on it, because it's experience in one language would not be applicable for other languages.
Also, some languages (like sql) count it differently depending on configuration :D
 
I think these all support the argument that there is depth of knowledge to be had, even if it's sometimes specific to a language or framework
 
That argument kinda gets throw out the window when every top user has exactly one answer in the tag
 
I dunno, IMHO all of these Java questions would be on-topic for that tag, for instance: 1 2 3
 
12:44 PM
Doesn't the fact that the oldest occurrence of a tag is 10 years ago and in that time it's accrued 6 posts a year on average, has zero watchers and no-one thought it worth writing a tag wiki suggest that it's not particularly useful?
 
@RyanM Is not about topicness, but usefulness. An extreme example: programming is on topic on the site, yet we don't have a tag called programming ;)
 
I should also say that it's not a great tag, so I don't feel super strongly. My basic opinion is that it's not bad enough to be worth bothering to remove.
 
Oh boy, I now can give close-votes,... he he he
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but with great power comes great responsibility
 
@DontKnowMuchButGettingBetter congrats!
 
I usually put both extremes in perspective: if this tag does/doesn't exist, what's the worse that could happen?
 
12:51 PM
@RyanM Thanks!
 
My least favorite tag is . It's extremely popular and mostly a magnet for questions that should be closed as opinion-based. For the on-topic questions, it adds absolutely nothing.
 
1:22 PM
 
@Vega should we use the Contact Us link to tell SE Inc to forward the request to the user or something?
 
@Vega The user referenced in that comment has a "Contact Me" email in the linked profile. Deduction can be a powerful thing, if used properly.
 
:D
 
@Vega What was this comment?
 
@Dharman ^ The OP wanted to notify a specific user about the question.
 
1:35 PM
> Admins I know a user who may help me but how can I make this question reach them : followed by user profile link
 
Would anyone flag this as VLQ? I mean I could edit it, but there seems no value in doing so.
 
@DavidBuck But it is an attempt at answering the question, right?
 
@E_net4isdownhausted Yes, but also 'This answer has severe formatting or content problems.'
 
@DavidBuck Alas, it doesn't matter. Moderators handle the flag the same way as a NAA.
 
@E_net4isdownhausted That's why I held back from flagging. Just wondered if there was any moral support to be found here to risk a flag, but probably not worth it. I had an NAA declined on a link only answer the other day so don't want to risk my 'declined average'
 
1:50 PM
Sometimes it's a mine field, all right. In this case I wouldn't be surprised if you could convince a few 20k+ to del-vote.
 
2:11 PM
@DavidBuck Wait.. you're going for gold too? :)
 
@Scratte I have gold. I like to keep it that way...
Although I suspect it doesn't matter at all...
 
@DavidBuck Nice :) Going for Green then..
 
No chance.
 
Nothing really matters.. It's all the Tom Sawyering effect.
 
Quick calc says I need 8920 more helpful flags with 0 declines to get to green.
 
2:17 PM
That is a lot! I must admit that the remaining flags I need (half of yours) have made me slow down, since I need to do other things with my life too.
 
The last two NAAs I had declined read "A security update may have caused this. See this (YouTube video)" and "Maybe I guess you need thing on('foreignStateChange')" I'm bound to get a few garbage answers declined out of my next 9000 flags, even though I am much more careful to let awful answers, that are still answers, go unflagged.
 
I think the issue as I see it is that a flag will be helpful or declined depending on who handles it. I wish it wasn't so.
 
2:36 PM
@DavidBuck I think NAA should be reserved for things that are question updates etc. "A security update may have caused this" is technically an answer. If you are reporting Link Only Answer then use the LQ flag if you can (requires the answer to have been DVed) or a custom flag.
 
@halfer I'm sure it was a discussion here that persuaded me to switch to flagging Link Only answers as NAA. I must have flagged hundreds successfully that way since then. I get your point about "A security update may have caused this" but on it's own it's a bit of a chocolate teapot as far as answers are concerned.
 
I'm not really sure that "A security update may have caused this" is an answer at all. The link holds the information to what or how it can be fixed. I mean, I could potentially open up any question and just write "There's an issue with an assignment of a variable somewhere. See (youtube link)"
 
@RyanM For removing/splitting tags, you should follow the abbreviated burnination process, as described in What is the process for tag removal (burnination)?. With respect to needing a Meta post, it's required for tags with > 50 questions: Tag removals must be discussed and documented on Meta.
As for making requests for a burnination here in SOCVR, we require that there's an MSO post that follows the burnination process. Basically, we don't want there to be a perception that SOCVR is a place where tags are destroyed without visibility on MSO. So, while you can ask for input/guidance and/or for agreement from a trusted community member, please don't organize an effort to do the editing.
 
Link-only answers should be flagged with NAA.
 
@AdrianMole Heh.. are you trolling us? :)
 
2:44 PM
Of course.
 
@Scratte I really don't think that "the gold" should be something one strives for, at least not given it's current definition. From what I've seen, the cumulative error rate moderators have in handling flags is more than what's permitted for that criteria. So, while it is obtainable, doing so requires both luck and that you withhold flagging in situations where something really should be flagged, but where a moderator mishandling the flag might be somewhat more likely.
 
@Makyen Thank you :) You are the voice of reason. Some of us just don't listen. I have as you predict on many occasions not flagged because of the risk of a declined flag. This doesn't even just apply to answers. I may be too OCD to be of value, because any setback will make me change my future behavior and how I use the site. The fear of the declined flag certainly does require one to not only evaluate the post, but also the risk of a flag getting declined due to a misunderstanding/mishap.
 
@DavidBuck Yeah, I agree - I don't think it is a great answer and would be happy for such answers to be removed. They would probably make helpful comments under the question. You can alternatively flag them to ask a mod to convert them to a comment.
 
3:00 PM
NAA already cover that: "It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether."
 
3:13 PM
@halfer My first declined flag was a mod flag where I was told to use standard flags. I've restricted mod flags solely to obviously non-standard things like blatant plagiarism and rollback wars since then. I would worry that "This would better as a comment" would just be declined.
 
Also, remember that SO mods decided to be hand off with NAA's; answers that you can delete with a NAA flag on other sites, the same answers wouldn't be deleted on SO.
 
Most posts where I've flagged NAA were deleted by moderator.
 
How can you tell?
 
@Dharman Probably because @Scratte has a 10K+ sock puppet? ;)
 
I have every single post that I've flagged opened in a tab. For NAA's the max pending is 10. Else it's unmanageable, since I go through all of them every 10-15 min to see if a user has edited the post into OK. When they all go pink one after the other in less than a minute, that's a moderator working through the queue. If comments appear "... From review" that's the LQP working slowly and post do not all go pink all at the same time.
@AdrianMole Not yet.. In 8.5K I may have :D
 
3:21 PM
@DavidBuck Well, I've had several of those accepted ;-).
 
@Scratte We need to spend more time answering and not reviewing... I've watched one pythonista new user catch my total rep up in 3 weeks on SO with prolific answering
 
@DavidBuck People in SQL tag regularly get 10k in few months. It must be easy if your area of choice is not the most hated tag on SO.
 
@DavidBuck I've seen another one also get 1K a week :) My favorite reputation riser got 20K in 4 months. Unfortunately it seems they are no longer active. But yes, curating very time consuming and risky.
However.. I was going for the "Unsung hero" badge, but alas.. some of my Answers that gave me the Tenacious one, have since received votes.
 
3:42 PM
@Scratte I pruned a few of my earliest voteless answers to squeak that one.
 
@DavidBuck I've considered that, but I feel it's gaming the system. I thought the zero-scored accepted more than 25% was of the accepted ones. Not the total answer count.
I've been relying on this one (which I assume is correct) SEDE for "How Unsung am I?"
 
 
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@Dharman I agree with the close reason but, as for being a "Spam Magnet," it is protected (against low-rep users posting answers).
 
8:12 PM
Was it wrong for me to answer this rather than comment and VTC? Is it basically a typo, or was it ok for me to answer?
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica If you believe it should be closed, then you shouldn't answer it.
 
@Braiam I agree - by definition something that should be closed can't (or shouldn't) be answered. I'm not sure about closing it, though.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica it's not so much of a typo, but rather an error in logic thinking, so IMO don't close and OK to answer
and explain as you did
 
8:30 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica It doesn't seem like a good question. I mean, the user could have tested its logic and see if it's correct.
 
8:41 PM
 
dbc
@RobertColumbia Java Programming Exercise “From Parameter to One” has an MCVE -- while (i <= num) should be while (i > 0). Maybe the question should be closed as Typo or Not Reproducible, but the MCVE looks legit IMHO.
 
 
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@halfer This question that you voted on seems to getting a bit fractious.
 
11:03 PM
Why has Stack Overflow started becoming more and more desolate recently? I still have 50 flags left today.
 
@DavidBuck Ken is, erm, a bit of a plain speaker :=/
I'll flag to get a mod to cool it down
 
11:36 PM
@Dharman how many do you usually have left? o_O (I assume this is related to your automation?)
 
@RyanM Only a few. Depends on a day but 10-20.
 
@Scratte looks at own badges just answer questions in the [android] tag for one-rep users who can't upvote you, you'll have it in no time :D
 
@RyanM ...but I don't android :(
 
@Scratte yeah, surprisingly few are actually Java...I have 212 answers for 189 score in [android], but only 89 answers for 59 score in Java (and 47 for 54 score in Kotlin)
 
I think have about the same scoring rate in Java. We're obviously doing it wrong :)
 
11:45 PM
I'm often a little surprised which answers get me the most score. this one was a surprise, for instance.
Sometimes the trick to getting upvotes seems to be polishing the question so that it looks nicer and people are more inclined to read it and think it's interesting.
I also usually upvote questions that I answer, partly to draw attention to them, and partly because if the question was good enough to merit an answer, it's probably also good enough to merit an upvote.
 
@RyanM +1
I do the same, P.S.: no outcome of that mod flag from 2 days ago, it's still pending, didn't forget about you
 
Thanks! Yeah, complicated mod flags seem a little backlogged at the moment. I have one from May 14 :D (it's a request to merge two questions - I can't blame them for not wanting to dive down that rabbit hole)
 
@RyanM You know that getting votes isn't good for the badge, right? :)
 
@Scratte It's good for my future gold-tag badge though :D
 
we don't know how good/bad the mod situation is since the blood loss of mods some month ago
 
11:52 PM
@RyanM Heh.. I don't think that far ahead. I'd have no idea what to use it for anyway.
 
@Scratte slaps roof of canonical question this bad boy can fit so many NullPointerExceptions in it
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But.. it's too much power. One always make mistakes. It's better to have checks in place, for me anyway.
 
Personally, I only dupe-vote them if I see a stack trace pointing to their code
There are also a bunch of stray clear dupes of other Android questions that would be great to clean up, but it's difficult to do without a dupehammer because you'll never get the votes
I see them come through the CV queue every now and then
 

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