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3:56 AM
Is this answer VLQ or OK in your opinion?
 
4:16 AM
Is this a spam or just VLQ?
 
@Vega I went NAA, there's another similar deleted one from another user
@Vega ^ looks spammy to me
 
@tripleee Thank you! I missed to say that my NAA flag for that answer was declined. I reflagged as VLQ
@tripleee Thank you, I will go and flag
 
and the question specifically asks how to avoid upgrading to Windows 10
 
4:28 AM
@Vega IMO, the question is poor, and now closed. As for the answer, it's link-only. If the link dies, there's really no answer. The library might be able to be found from the GitHub account and repository name, but I wouldn't really consider it to answer the question.
 
4:54 AM
@Makyen Thank you! I don't know why my NAA flag was declined :/ But now that I can vote also to delete, I did use my vote :)
 
@Vega Congratulations on 20k! Yeah, it's nice to be able to vote to delete these. :)
 
Thank you @Makyen
:)
 
@Vega BTW: If you use the LQP review queue, you might want to install the userscript that's in this answer, which will prevent your delete-votes from being used in the LQP Review queue, but keeps your review actions as "delete".
 
5:19 AM
Wow, thank you!
 
np.
 
 
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8:10 AM
I've got a question that's CV'ed as a duplicate...of a question with no answer. I assume the answer must've been deleted?
 
@RyanM I noticed your comment :) I think the instance method is suppose to belong to another class. The works class :)
 
@Scratte I mean I assumed that it was supposed to belong to another class, since otherwise there's no way they could've run the code... :-p
 
@RyanM Did you accidentally link to the wrong Question. This one has never been closed.
 
I'm less clear on what class it was supposed to be on, or if that's even the right method, or...what on earth they're doing
@Scratte it has a single pending close vote, linking to this question as the dupe target
 
@RyanM I'm not sure about the entire thing. indexOf returns -1 if no element is found, so I assume they'll get an OutOfBounds error.
 
8:18 AM
I need to write a userscript that tags my questions in my Votes list with whether they will Roomba in their current state
or rather: finds open questions that I've voted to close that won't roomba
 
@RyanM Can one not suggest a duplicate if there are no answers on it? I thought that it was possible, but just not a "sensible" suggestion.
 
@Scratte not only must there at least one answer, it must be either upvoted or accepted. Unless the target question is from the same user as the source question
 
@RyanM There is a chat room for user scripts. We welcome suggestions and ideas :D
 
@Scratte where might that be?
 
@rene ohh, not bad. Beer culture here isn't great; whilst there are a lot of small breweries, most of it is 5-ish percent and even the IPAs don't taste too outrageously bitter. "Lager on steroids" is what I call it. Very drinkable, though not very special. I got myself the latest Ardbeg special yesterday. I'll open that today probably <3
 
8:23 AM
@RyanM It's mine and Daniil's room. Please note: We're not very advanced, as we have no idea what we're really doing :D
 
@Adriaan nice! Enjoy that one. And don't drink it all at once ;)
 
@Scratte well I don't know JavaScript so I'm not gonna be much better. It's basically the same as Java, right? They wouldn't give them the same name if they were different. That's why I always put both tags on my questions, just in case.
 
@rene the Swiss government pays well, but not well enough to drink a 100 franc bottle in an evening
 
As if money should be your only concern when drinking that in one sitting.
 
@RyanM There's no requirement that one knows what javascript is.. :)
 
8:28 AM
JavaScript is that plugin for jQuery, right?
 
@RyanM That is not a system requirement, right?
@rene Yes. I've been trying to use the plugin only, but it seem jQuery keeps showing up.
 
@rene Hm, I guess you're right. These days it's the problem I can't get 5 friends here to drink it with me
 
@Scratte it is a system requirement - there was a discussion about it just 11 hours ago :-)
Wow, I do not almost ever like scotch, but the tasting notes make that sound good...
 
@RyanM I saw that. I didn't get the impression that was a system thing, but a: You "can't" do that, because it's not fair to do that.
 
@Scratte aaahhh. No, it's actually enforced, which makes it annoying when they self-dupe with a sockpuppet...
 
8:33 AM
@RyanM The Pink Elephant has a good taste and I agree that the ones he brought in tasted indeed fantastic.
 
Pink Elephant or Pink Elephants may refer to:
"Seeing pink elephants", a euphemism for a drunken hallucination
Pink elephant in the room, a euphemism for a problem no one wants to talk about
I am therefore assuming that this was recommended by a drunken hallucination that you don't want to talk about
ah, I've just now expanded Adriaan's profile for the first time ^^;
 
:D
 
@rene It seems the vanadalisme is going on since January
or earlier
 
they just did it again, too. Mod-flagging.
 
yeah, did that as well
leave it for the mods to sort out
 
8:42 AM
yup
 
@tripleee Post is now locked.
 
Clicking goes to . Do the two need to be synonymised? To the latter of course, as company tags should burn imo
 
Maybe also see this Meta post on the related [hms-xxx] tags invasion, and the linked post on Huawei by Machavity.
 
9:06 AM
@rene What did I bring you again? Ardbeg 10 presumably, and the Belgian one?
 
@Adriaan I think, yeah.
 
only the finest
 
 
\o
o/
 
Just got 9th "Yearling" badge :)
 
Congratz!
 
:D
 
10:08 AM
Ooh, good work fellow curator
 
@Shree Happy birthday :)
 
^ +1
 
Thanks @rene @Scratte @AdrianMole :P . Only allow 3 pings on single chat message :)
 
10:23 AM
:49560967 fair point, "transcendental-equation" contains "dental" well played spammer.
 
wait, do we really have transcendental equation specialists on Stack Overflow?
 
Not sure about transcendental but we certainly have plenty of irrational folks around here.
 
 
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12:06 PM
Morning
 
12:19 PM
I've saved a post! :) It only took all day so far.. (it wasn't me, I just nudged all day)
 
1:22 PM
Does this count as spam? stackoverflow.com/questions/62216240/… (Survey participation request)
 
@AlonEitan yes
 
@rene Good. Flagged as spam
 
@Makyen Yaakov asked for a new question about it if you weren't satisfied. Did a new question get posted about it?
 
2:21 PM
@TylerH I believe there have been a few/several reporting it as a bug, but I did not create one.
 
3:02 PM
@Adriaan if clicking one goes to the other then they already are synonymized
or did you mean merged?
 
3:36 PM
Does the answer to that last CV I posted look NAA?
 
@Machavity yes
 
4:11 PM
 
Your own activity tab is borked, check it out here!
 
@rene now fixed
or I guess I should say, rolled back for now
@RiggsFolly maybe consider condensing your comments into fewer ones that cover everything rather than one thought per comment. Also, FWIW, the exasperated tone in your 'i give up' comment may be considered unfriendly.
 
4:49 PM
@TylerH It is a little unfriendly to continually change the code in the questions no version of which actually ever matching the error message. We must remember this is a Two Way Street
 
5:06 PM
@dbc It's deleted again.
 
Why is this code an undefined behaviour? stackoverflow.com/q/62185373/1839439
According to me it has clearly defined behaviour if somewhat concealed.
 
That's I++ for you
 
I can't get any other result than 6
 
@Dharman Do you mean you can any other value by or, or with your compiler? Just because something is UB doesn't mean your compiler isn't going to do the sane thing, it's just that you have no guarantee.
It's like type punning through a union, strictly it is UB but all the major compilers do what you expect to happen
 
In practice, UB means that it works until you turn optimizations on, then your computer catches fire.
 
5:32 PM
I just managed to get 5 using clang++-7 -pthread -std=c++17 -o main main.cpp
 
@RiggsFolly I don't think it's unfriendly at all to update your question in response to someone saying the question needs to be updated
OP's clearly a new user and is also clearly trying to help others help him with all those edits :-)
 
@TylerH Obviously not as you or someone removed many of my comments. Luckily someone else posted basically the same ones after that
 
Ok, I think I got it. Basically C++ does not execute code in sequence. I was lied to all my life. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
@RiggsFolly I did flag a lot of comments as no longer needed once they were no longer needed, but it should still be apparent to you as you were there when OP was making the half dozen edits
Personally I think it's reasonable to allow a new user a few minutes to try and get their question in shape rather than making it perfect on the first try, especially if they're new(er) to programming in general
 
@Dharman well it does, you just have to have a "sequence point" (term was removed, now we have sequenced before and after). In ++i + ++i there is no squenceing, bot operation "happen at the same time".
 
5:44 PM
Even I would be hard pressed to keep up my edits to a question with the rate at which you were leaving comments :-P you were pretty quick with them!
 
@TylerH Still cannot see an error in any of the code posted, tried it again here. However the error he posts does look a little odd. Something makes me think OP's issue is possibly related to something they did just before where they think the error occured. But I dare not post anything else on there now
 
5:59 PM
Next question, what is i in ++i = i++
 
6:13 PM
@Vega If that's C++, then i will be unchanged from whatever it was before.
... but what will the value of c be in this: int a, b = a = 22, c = - - a -- - - -- -- b;?
 
pls stop
 
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6:49 PM
@Dharman See this question for an explanation in C. I believe the C++ explanation is similar.
 
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@Vega I'm going to guess it's UB.
 
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@RyanM Borderline IMO, but don't just take my word for it. You'll want a more experienced member of the community's opinion.
 
7:04 PM
@RyanM It definitely can be, but it's hard to get a straight NAA flag upheld for something like that. People see the code and hit "Looks OK". You'd be better off with a custom mod-flag and explaining the problem, delete-voting, or a del-pls in here.
 
@Chipster It's well-defined in C++: "Pre-increment and pre-decrement operators increments or decrements the value of the object and returns a reference to the result."
... in C it's illegal.
 
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@AdrianMole Doing more research, I think it's only legal after C++17. Which I think is what we're talking about here. In which case, you're right and I'm wrong.
 
That's about postfix increment - which yields an rvalue; prefix increment yields an lvalue.
.. OK, I see what you mean about the sequence of the =.
 
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@AdrianMole Yeah, that's what I meant. The RHS is sequenced before the LHS, so now it's defined. Before that C++17, it doesn't seem to be guaranteed to do that.
 
7:15 PM
Yep! Clang gives an "unsequenced modification" warning using C++14 standard but not with C++17.
 
C++17 is meh
 
(i+=1) = i++; does the same thing (or not, depending on the Standard specified).
 
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@rene Why is it meh?
 
Because it was fed-up with all the warnings?
 
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I don't need warnings. I always know what I'm doing and would never do something stupid in my code by mistake ;)
 
7:23 PM
@RyanM IMO, this is something that should be custom mod-flagged, because the user has done it on more than one question.
 
@Chipster Tell that to the compiler
 
@Makyen ah, well-spotted. done.
 
7:47 PM
@Chipster You could recommend for the next Clang release to add the following command-line switches: -Wdeliberately-stupid, -Wstupid-by-design, or even -Wbrain-fart.
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@Chipster Have you ever read code you wrote few years ago?
4
 
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@AdrianMole Perfect. Where do I submit that?
 
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@Dharman Yes, actually. In some cases I was horrified at myself.
 
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In a few more years I'll probably be horrified at what I wrote today.
 
Why was this question closed? Is there a way to make it less opinionated? Even though I see no room for opinion-based answers here, really. stackoverflow.com/q/62216426/1839439
 
7:57 PM
@Dharman If you can change the title, because my best answer to that title is "do you care?"
 
It is one of the best questions in that tag in the recent days and somehow it got closed and downvoted.
"do you care?" What about?
 
"Should I check for errors?" is only relevant if you actually do something with them.
If you decide to ignore them or not, it's your prerogative.
 
I wrote a canonical few months ago which used the exact same words and it was never closed and it well upvoted.
@Braiam That is not what the question is asking about. You misunderstand the question.
 
@Dharman That's exactly how people interpret it. Edit it, so that it doesn't reads like that ;)
See, now it asks the why and how.
 
Thanks, but you actually changed the meaning a little bit
 
8:03 PM
@Braiam But that new title makes the good answer look a bit silly.
 
@Dharman as written it reads as if one should "bother" checking for errors, which I respond to very much the same as braiam has already described. If you think that's not what the question is asking, please do edit it so that it's more clear what it's asking. FWIW I don't see Braiam's title edit as much of an improvement (it's still OB, just with presuming yes as the answer)
Also, if you wrote a canonical question about this, is your interest purely to get the question reclosed as a duplicate of it?
 
OP is not asking if they should check the errors. They are asking if they should implement any error handling for that particular line of code, which is a common mistake of PHP developers.
 
@AdrianMole Not anymore.
 
My question is of similar nature, but it addresses a different method. stackoverflow.com/q/58808332/1839439
 
@Dharman that may be what you understand OP to mean but it's not what OP asked
"should I check my code for errors" is a very different question than "should I perform error checking manually [vs some automated method]"
 
8:07 PM
In effective communication, the responsibility lies with the emissor to make their message understood.
 
Manually was implied in that question.
 
No it wasn't; you inferred it perhaps, but it wasn't implied
 
@TylerH I wrote the title more as "give me a reason why I would do this"
 
Ok, so as always it is about perception and what you want the reader to understand.
 
@Dharman precisely.
Obviously, you need to take into account your public.
 
8:10 PM
You have given me some good points to think about, let me see if I can reword this question a little and add the manual implication.
 
If I started talking about p values in this room, is very unlikely that people would understand the implications of the p value.
Anyone has any idea how Tim comments on this meta question got 3 votes? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/396255/792066
 
@Dharman this is where the value of being a SME comes into the equation. Folks have stated why they closed a question as POB; you've identified a problem with that interpretation based on your knowledge of the language. The best course of action here would be, IMHO, edit the question to explicitly state things you understood implicitly while reading that the folks you just asked didn't understand implicitly.
I do this on occasion in for example, when I see a question getting close votes for not understanding a question, etc. I'll edit the Q and usually leave a comment for previous/potential future close voters attempting to explain the situation.
@Braiam probably moderators voting
or staff members
locks don't prevent them from voting
 
sme = Subject-matter expert
 
itsme
 
Wait, are you Mario @Dharman?
 
8:13 PM
my thoughts exactly :D
 
8:33 PM
Could you take a look? I rewrote the question. stackoverflow.com/q/62216426/1839439
 
@Dharman I just don't think the opening "Why" is either needed or good. That will generally encourage folks to think in terms of opinion-based.
 
I removed why. I agree it was out of place there.
 
I added a wee quote from the Q into the answer, to make it more consistent.
 
@Dharman Good job on the edit. However, isn't it a duplicate it of the canonical you asked back in November?
(also, it's open now)
 
@TylerH I was also starting to think "Dupe," but I'm not an SME, so not really my call.
 
8:42 PM
The topics are very similar, so maybe it should, but my question was focused on connection errors and I am afraid that this question will lose its value when we close as a duplicate.
 
@Dharman Maybe add a "Related: [link to your post]" as a comment? Or would that encourage dupe-closers?
 
@AdrianMole The best place for that would be in the answer, but I can't ask another user to add something of mine to their answer.
 
I can do it for you, if you really want.
... just give me the nod.
Possibly also a link to this discussion, to help the answerer understand the edits?
 
It's not really necessary. My QA does not add anything that would be crucial for this thread. Maybe we should do it the other way around?
I can easily edit a link to this answer in my answer
 
@Dharman That sounds good, actually! It's 'your' canonical and that's a good place for links to related Q/As.
 
8:51 PM
@AdrianMole Actually, I disagree. The help center itself says "inspire answers that explain “why” and “how”", what best way to inspire why or how than to ask "why" or "how"?
 
Done
@Braiam I agree, but in this case you would actually be inviting more opinion based answers by asking Why. Asking if you should or not is looking for factual answers, rather than why one might want to it anyway.
 
@Dharman Asking "why should I do something" is factual based. Extreme example: Why should I eat? Because otherwise you would die.
 
Why did you remove the tag?
 
Once a tag is about something that half of the questions are about, is not a good tag to add to questions that didn't had it originally.
 
Isn't this what tags are actually for?
 
I accidentally retracted my flag on this sql question. I only flagged it as it was missing tags. What to do?
 
@Scratte How about adding the tags you think are missing?
@Scratte Have you searched for duplicates? I think there probably is one somewhere
 
@Dharman That will make an edit go into the queue.. and the risk of becoming a 10% bad editor.
I'll try to find a duplicate
 
BTW can we organize in this room a mini-burnination of ?
 
@Dharman Should it be something else or just removed?
 
9:34 PM
@Dharman btw: I'm sure the missing tag is sql-server
 
@DavidBuck If you can tell what the tags means then you can replace it with what is should actually be. Otherwise the tag seems to be a meta tag of two words combined together.
It looks like it is a function in PowerBi
 
@Dharman Not without an approve post on MSO. It has < 50 questions so you can use the abbreviated route, but organizing this room to do a burnination requires a meta post.
 
@Makyen I removed it from the ones I knew were wrong, and it looks like someone else removed it from other questions.
 
I may have removed the tag, as an aside, when I was otherwise editing out some fluff from a couple of questions. Didn't seem to add any value, and the tag has no wiki.
... Seems to be only 1 question in that tag.
Top Google hit for "countrows."
And, here on SO for the powerbi function.
 
9:53 PM
@Dharman It seems to be done
 
@Braiam Indeed, but in a positively unorganized way, you'll notice. ;)
 
I give up on finding a duplicate :( It's all dates with variables or group by's
 
Why does this review say it could be potential spam? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/26333651
 
@Dharman Because it is, or it is a audit
 
Are these the only two options?
I have audits switched off.
 
10:03 PM
Maybe somebody flagged it as spam? It wasn't an audit, BTW.
 
@Dharman Are you sure?
 
Yeah, I clicked on Looks OK and it was not an audit.
 
That review message seems out of place. There is a link in the answer but there is nothing behind the link. The link is the answer in this case - it's "go here and use this tool". There is nothing to include in the answer to make it not link-only. The real problem is the question is sort of asking for resources.
 
Funny, I clicked and didn't see any message.
 
Hmm, OK, it's not actually asking for resources on second thought. But I don't know what termux is. It might just be asking for tools for programming.
 
10:07 PM
It's asking for an online compiler, so it is asking for offsite resources related to programming.
 
Checked it and termux is a *NIX shell emulator app for Android. Not sure it exactly falls under tools for programmers but it does advertise itself with "Develop C with clang", so you can use it for programming purposes, I guess.
 
A shell emulator doesn't help much compiling javascript :D
 
Perhaps you can install Deno on it. Then you should (in theory) be able to develop JS applications.
 
Deno is "A secure runtime for JavaScript and TypeScript"
 
Yes. It's a newer spin on Node. no-de -> de-no
 
10:57 PM
@Dharman I want to do that with all the string comparison duplicates in Java
at least the ones with completely irrelevant titles
 
@SotiriosDelimanolis As long as the question or answers are harmful I am on board.
 
I have no votes left, I'll come back in an hour.
 
11:20 PM
So this OP keeps putting their code in the edit summary, even though it was explained to them how to edit several times. Is it worth 20k deleting it? Or just let it Roomba on its own eventually?
The post I mean
Let's try this again. The post in question is: stackoverflow.com/questions/62223811/…
 
I'd just let it roomba, but I'm not a 20k user. Maybe they'll figure out how to use the edit system sometime in the next 9 days
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica We can't delete a user. If you think the question deserves immediate deletion then you can ask 20kers here. However, you might want to give OP a chance to edit the question into shape. For this reason it is better to let roomba do its thing, because OP might fix it before roomba gets to it.
 
@Dharman Yeah, I meant the post, not the user. I'd have to flag for moderator attention for that.
It would seem kinda harsh to nuke their account for asking a bad question though
 
11:43 PM
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica What? Are you saying that 20K+ users can't delete users? ;-P
 

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