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1:21 AM
^how to cast this as a duplicate? as it doesn't have an answer yet, it's not possible. possible sock puppets
 
@Vickel There is no way to do it when there's a cross-account dupe, alas.
You could flag for mod attention, I'm not sure what they think of those as I've never flagged one.
 
so my cv-pls is the only way?
 
Creating multiple accounts to evade question limits is certainly against the rules
 
@RyanM if you look at stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/codeigniter-3 you see clearly, it's sock puppets
1st and 2nd entry, right now
 
@Chatbot, alive?
 
1:30 AM
@Vickel oh I agree, it's clearly a rule violation. I don't know if it's the same person or two different people posting the same question, but either way.
 
@RyanM I mod flagged one of the accounts to point out my sock puppet suspicion, lets see...
 
love the +5/-2 completely wrong answer on that :-\
 
2:01 AM
@Vickel If it should be closed as a duplicate, then moderators must be involved. If you think there's sock-puppetry, then raising a custom flag is the way to go. Note that it is possible to have very similar questions from more than one actual person. I've see this happen for things like school assignments, or even work projects, where more than one person posts substantially the same question, even nearly identical questions.
 
@Makyen I've already raised the mod flag earlier, the code blocks are the exact same too, but shown in a different order (unfortunately I didn't mention that in my flag)
 
@Vickel While having exactly the same code tends to lean it towards sock-puppet, it doesn't preclude the other possibilities.
 
:49548076, @RyanM: well, we'll see the outcome, I'll let you know, if you want
 
Basically, there's no way for us to know other than by asking the user (and assuming we get a straight and honest answer), or, potentially, for a moderator to know with the additional information available to them. So, after the flag it's really out of our hands.
 
2:42 AM
@Vickel Sure, I'd be curious
 
 
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6:24 AM
@tink might well be a programming question but then needs focus, VLQ
 
6:41 AM
How strict is the policy of editing before "No actions needed"? When I see a post that has " I've been tearing my hair out trying to figure it out.." but is otherwise OK, is it a sin to let it through?
 
do we have a freshness requirement for delv-pls too? I'm looking at stackoverflow.com/questions/19394752/… which is from 2013 so not eligible if we require recent activity
 
@tripleee I'm pretty sure there's no requirements for delv-pls. The current 6 months freshness is only for cv-pls.
 
@tripleee The recent activity requirement applies only to cv-pls. The reason for the restrictions wrt. what qualifies for a cv-pls is that we have only so many CVs available to the people that frequent SOCVR. If we don't limit it in some way, then we eventually become just as effective as the CV review queue.
 
what he ^ says ...
 
@Makyen thanks
 
6:47 AM
np
 
7:17 AM
Whoah, closed by Jon Skeet
 
The post looks like trolling though
 
Hanlon's razor
 
8:15 AM
^ I misvoted there
 
@VLAZ well the people in the room agreed with your original vote ^^; I was beat to it by a few seconds, but I cast exactly the same vote
 
:( I voted for "attempt to reply" but the user just broke up the large (and incorrect) code block
 
@VLAZ oh dang, you're right. generally I think it's recommended to include info about the reasoning for the review-pls to help guide the right answer
 
Sorry, my first review-pls here
I'll make sure that I format them better going forward
 
A user asked if they should delete a question resolved as a typo (the question was well-written enough to easily spot the typo when I got to it). What's the best advice for them to avoid angering the question ban deities? (the question currently has no answers)
 
@tripleee Maybe, they edited the deleted post since
 
@RyanM probably delete it before it gets downvoted. It's going to be closed either way but it seems better to be at score zero as opposed to negative.
 
@RyanM If the question isn't answered, then deleting is a good option and can prevent getting additional downvotes. If the question won't get any downvotes from now until 30 days from now (unlikely), then it's better, as far as what I remember from what's been said on Meta, to keep the question visible for 30 days, and then allow Roomba to delete it. But, we don't actually know the algorithm, so we're really guessing.
 
It is possible that there's only a difference between deleting now and in 30 days if there is an answer on it. My impression was that the worst action was to delete an answered question within the 30 days.
 
I could be conflating it with when the answered criteria drops away. I wasn't remembering a specific time-frame specified for that other than something along the lines of "the worst thing you can do is delete a question shortly after it's answered. The algorithm considers that actively hostile and penalizes it heavily." I don't recall "shortly after" being defined, but it might have been "within 30 days".
 
8:48 AM
The OP here edited the post to include the answer in the question. Could it be considered as an answer so I may ask the OP to post it in a separate post, or I maintain my CV as no repro? It cannot be reproduced as is, my demo in comment witnessing
 
9:05 AM
@Makyen I think I got it from "Additionally, deletion itself counts against questions less than 30 days old when deleted if others have invested time into answering or moderating the question." in What can I do when getting “We are no longer accepting questions/answers from this account”?
@Makyen I read it as deletion always counts against you, unless it's 30 days old. If there is an answer it counts even more.
 
 
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10:33 AM
Can someone clarify what a bad ASN for hostname or Bad IP means in an SD report?
 
10:55 AM
@Adriaan Autonomous System Numbers are used in routing, for example 13335 is Cloudflare
we watch a few dozen, most of them are relatively FP-prone but a couple in (ahem) countries where malware etc is not actively prosecuted could probably qualify for blacklisting
 
@tripleee ah, and there are specific ones which show up more than average in the SD?
Thanks!
 
yeah, 58 on the watch list but a few are commented out
and some are borderline, like Softlayer is a basically legit provider but watching them continues to produce more spam than non-spam domains
 
Can an RO bin this request. It is no longer applicable.
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null /per request
 
11:30 AM
@Adriaan oh and the same for IP addresses, we are increasingly watching the IP of known spammers and some of them help find new domain names used by known spammers
though the ROI is rather limited currently
I should probably find a way to automate that
@Dharman looks like a legit question for security.se or similar; I do think they are right that it could be an intrusion attempt
 
@tripleee Maybe on Security.SE but I fail to see how it is on topic here.
The review queues just got an update.
It looks like I can get a silver badge for review if I only review -2372 more
 
urgh.. those buttons instead of tabs. But yes, I see the negative too :)
 
@Dharman and if you review one it becomes -2373?
 
yes
 
Cool :D
 
11:43 AM
I'm always a bit 'wary' using VLQ flags, but is it appropriate here. I can't think of what else to do (from the Late Answers review).
 
@AdrianMole no, that is not VLQ
I did use a delete vote on it.
 
So what is it? I would suggest "severe content problems" as a VLQ reason.
 
@AdrianMole No. You should use a mod-flag or ask in SOCVR for deletion. A mod flag would probably be a better choice considering it is plagiriased
 
OK. I've withdrawn by VLQ and replaced with a downvote.
 
@Dharman are you reporting a bug for that?
 
11:50 AM
@rene No, I can't be bothered right now.
 
It's one of the most frustrating things. Like this answer - duplicates a bit of a previous answer, but poorly, but all I could do is downvote.
 
But a VLQ flag (even if not strictly correct) will push it into the LQP queue, is not?
... where it can get deleted.
 
@DavidBuck But it is an answer. You can improve the formatting or downvote. If you really think this answer adds more noise than value you can vote to delete.
 
@AdrianMole It will, but if I saw that in review I would immediately press Looks ok
 
11:54 AM
Even with the comment I added?
 
Yes. If the answer is plagiarised then use mod-flag.
It has an added benefit that a mod will delete it themselves, preventing the OP from undeleting
 
I've used NAA's for those answer that are exact duplicates. Mentioning in a comment that it's a copy of another answer. I thought the LQP queue was checking for that?
 
@Scratte It depends. LQP is not designed for this. Some diligent reviewers might see your comment and check if it is true, but many might miss this detail. If you want to do it properly ask a mod. I was even once told off by a mod for using NAA flag on such post.
 
AI probably doesn't pick up the exact copy if the text is in a quoted block (as it is in that case).
 
@AdrianMole The first answer is ok, because it gives attribution and doesn't plagiarise the content. The one you linked doesn't do such thing.
 
11:59 AM
@Dharman Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I used to link to the other answer in the comment so it was not to be mistaken.
 
Absolutely! There's effectively 'double-plagiarism' happening - copying the answer and copying the github without attribution.
 
Even if OP deletes the plagiarised answer themselves a mod flag is a good choice. A mod will undelete and delete again preventing OP from undeleting the answer at a later point of time when no one is looking.
 
Downvotes would probably discourage OP undeleting.
 
They can always post another answer with the same content
 
hehe
OK, I've gone for a "Plagiarism..." mod flag.
 
12:11 PM
Morning
 
o/
 
@Adriaan I don't understand? It there an edit waiting on that Question?
 
@Dharman I've reported it here: meta.stackexchange.com/q/348925/158100
 
Thanks Rene
 
@Scratte there was, someone suggested an edit which translated the title
 
12:14 PM
@Adriaan I believe there has been some suggestions recently on meta to indicate that translating Questions wasn't a no-no. I'm not sure I can even see an edit suggestion before it's been handled though :(
 
@Scratte nope, you'd need 2k rep for that
 
@Scratte The edit was rejected because of lack of substantial improvement, not because it was a translation.
 
@Dharman That makes me very happy :) Thanks :)
 
12:37 PM
 
1:07 PM
@Dharman I wouldn't call it good, but it is not flagable IMHO. A down vote could be appropriate but I don't know if the code actually does the job or not and I would only vote down if I knew it didn't.
 
The reason I ask is because I have no idea what this code does or how it relates to the question.
 
Same here, so I "skip", and let the SME's handle it.
 
1:25 PM
Is it just me, or are those orange buttons in the new review page very screamy?
 
Screaming for vengeance.
 
I image they can be re-css'ed with stylus, but I'm not entirely sure.
if they can be, then that would also fix the profile page.
 
@E_net4isdownhausted Hello, my name is Button. You clicked my father. Prepare for screaming.
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@E_net4isdownhausted Aaaaaa!
 
1:33 PM
@VLAZ AAAA
 
Let me see you war face!
 
@E_net4isdownhausted Let me see your war face!
 
This link is scarier
 
@E_net4isdownhausted aaaaaaaugh? Or maybe "ooooh"?
 
you saw nothing
 
@NathanOliver having fun, are we?
 
After long time I post a question and unfamiliar with new ask wizard. I see so many changes. I think / guess I mistakenly checked Answer your own question – share your knowledge, Q&A-style . And My question posted twice as a question and as a Answer or ...... what happen I don't know. It's funny . I delete and post new one. Confuse new UI .
 
1:52 PM
Goes to the (z, t) -> (cos(t)*z, sin(t)*z, z) of shame
 
2:03 PM
@Scratte I don't like the post "flashing" in dark theme while reviewing. It hurts my eyes :(
 
Well, this is definitely very NAA, but that doesn't seem to do it justice.
 
@DavidBuck nuke flag works there. I've reported it to smokey
 
@Vega I understand that very well. I've been using light because I find it's too much of a shock to go from dark to chat.
@VLAZ lol! I get a "Sign in to confirm your age"
 
2:18 PM
@Scratte It's a scene from Full Metal Jacket.
 
@VLAZ Well.. that it did tell me. It just thinks I'm un-aged.. which would be nice :D (But it just refuses to play the video)
 
2:54 PM
 
3:10 PM
@Shree i flagged it as VLQ for being link only
 
@NathanOliver thanks. I give wrong link. I ask for question ?
 
The question does not seem like a resource request to me, but a how do I implement this thing question.
 
Ok thanks again.
 
3:48 PM
Yes!.. It works. I have tabs. The orange buttons are gone :)
 
@Scratte hmm?
 
@TylerH I just couldn't do it. It was either them or me in review. I removed them with stylus :)
 
nice
 
4:04 PM
@TylerH It's partly due to you, actually. Since I would never have installed the extension if it hadn't been for your fix to the dialogs :)
 
happy to help :-P
 
4:14 PM
Would you consider this VLQ? I can't fathom an answer out of it.
 
@DavidBuck yeah, I would risk a flag on that.
 
4:34 PM
Anyone else noticed the "You may only load the close dialog every 3 seconds" message popping up, incorrectly, a lot today?
 
I think yes, that happened to me, but I thought it's me
 
I've worked out how to reproduce it. If you're on a question in the close queue, click on the question, then use the browser back button to go back to the close queue and click close, the message pops up.
Can anyone verify that?
 
M--
I don't have the domain knowledge here, is this on topic stackoverflow.com/questions/60116155/… ?
 
@M-- The previous answer on the last SD report has the same kind of link as the one you left the comment :/
 
M--
@Vega that one was salvageable through an edit. The other one, plain and simple: SPAM. stackoverflow.com/a/62199210/6461462 left comments there as well.
 
4:50 PM
I was referring to this one. The demo has same kind of github account link
 
M--
@Vega I missed that one. Feel free to edit (adding proper disclosure) and leave a comment.
 
5:50 PM
 
6:02 PM
@Scratte Thanks for finding where that's stated. I read that as deletion counts against questions < 30 days old, if there's an answer, and/or if others have spent time moderating, which may include close-votes, flags, reviews, comments, etc. While that is almost any time, there are some questions which get no action by anyone other than the OP.
 
6:27 PM
@Makyen Yes, that's that. Which I find very unfortunate.. Sometimes I spend 15 min on a post and I give up without a fight. Other times I look at it for 10 seconds and add a stupid comment and flag it. It's almost like the safest thing to do is not ask Questions :)
 
@Adriaan despite not weekend yet, I had a Westmalle Trappist Dubbel.
 
6:44 PM
Relating to my previous message about the "You may only load the close dialog every 3 seconds." appearing erroneously, it is somehow caused by one of the SOCVR scripts. If I disable Tampermonkey, the problem disappears.
 
@DavidBuck Check the console (F12 on most browsers) and see if you can note any error messages
 
409 conflict. that is strange.
 
Also at the top of any close review page: userscript.html?name=StackOverflow%20close%20votes%20shortcuts.user.js&id=c0a75cd0-0658-43e0-a644-192303b832d6:1 ERROR: Execution of script 'StackOverflow close votes shortcuts' failed! Failed to execute 'observe' on 'MutationObserver': parameter 1 is not of type 'Node'.
 
@DavidBuck is that our shortcuts script?
 
6:56 PM
Must be
I have v1.0.3 installed which appears to be current
 
@DavidBuck lol I'm still on 1.0.1 but I haven't enabled it
 
@DavidBuck This script is currently going to be broken, due to an update to the SE HTML. It's possible that changing '.review-actions' to '.js-review-actions' on line 261 will fix the problem; at least it will fix the error. Actually having it work may be a different issue.
 
@Makyen You're right that the error message does go away, but it's unrelated to the close dialog issue. I've disabled that script entirely and it still occurs.
 
One small change and suddenly we're all busy and useful.. dancing ballet.
 
7:09 PM
It's Sam's Review Queue Helper that's causing the issue. Just need to reload the page and the 'every 3 seconds' warning pops up if you don't wait 3 seconds.
 
{cheap remark warning} So Sam's script Requires Editing?
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7:23 PM
What's happening with those last two Smokey reports? Two accounts with the same username?
 
Looks that way
The user ID's are different
 
But the IDs differ only by 24 ... must have been created very close to each other.
 
Most likely. Probably by the same person even.
 
For sure, it's the same person, or two pals in an internet cafe.
 
They probably created a second account after the first one was nuked.
 
7:28 PM
I guess there's a mod on the case already.
 
8:22 PM
 
8:32 PM
Is there a close reason for too basic a question?
 
@Scratte No, as such as thing is not inherently close-worthy on the site
You can downvote for such questions if they illustrate a lack of research effort
 
@TylerH Strangely, I'm looking at a post that already has 2 close votes.
It's this one. I'm a little puzzled by it.
 
Man I really hate these new closed notices. How am I supposed to know what close reason was used???
 
@NathanOliver The biggest complaint by folks and also one that happens to have been totally ignored by devs...
 
@Scratte more than likely there should be a dupe that it could be closed with.
 
8:37 PM
at least it's not the verbiage used for all close reasons
Typically you can assume it is closed as too broad or unclear, with that close reason wording
 
@NathanOliver I'm not sure they changed. They used to just say "off-topic". Now they just say "Stack Overflow guidelines". At least at my rep level, I see no change.
 
@Scratte once you get above 3k rep you can see more information, but in this case, not that much more
 
Yeah. My real beef is with This question does not meet Stack Overflow guidelines. and I'm like okay, which one???
 
@Scratte "Closed. This question does not meet Stack Overflow guidelines. It is not currently accepting answers.

Edit the question so it is on-topic for Stack Overflow.
<users who close voted>
Closed n minutes ago"
this is what we see
 
@NathanOliver My guess is: No Miminal.. but, it's really not possible to produce one for this Question.
 
8:39 PM
Another problematic thing that predates the current close reasons debacle is the lumping of all votes into a single reason now upon closure
 
@TylerH I just cheat and open the timeline, if I want to know who closed it.
 
I miss when they showed multiple close reasons when people voted for diff ones (and who voted for each)
 
@NathanOliver Yeah, I noticed that. I've not mentioned it much, since I've wondered if I just missed something obvious.
The change really does feel like it is less helpful for new users, which is very odd, given Stack Overflow's purported direction of travel.
 
@TylerH Yeah. If we want to help people, why hide all the reasons it's bad. Then they just ask a new question with just one piece fixed and it still gets closed becasuse of the other reasons.
 
@Scratte The question is on-topic and is not close-worthy. I assume it was closed because it is so simple there is probably a Y problem involved. However, the question itself is completely on-topic.
 
8:42 PM
@halfer IIRC they wanted to be less, wall of text, but I've never understood that. Is too much information a bad thing?
 
@Dharman I think I'll try to look for a duplicate.
 
I found this but that might be to much for them
 
The question only has one reopen vote left to be reopened; it likely will be at this rate...
then it can be answered easily or just as likely have a duplicate posted
 
@NathanOliver Yes. It is. The guidelines are not easy get an overview of. There's too much information to go through and lots of the help pages lands you in meta, which is endless. I spent a very long time trying to work out how the site works.
 
I don't think there is a duplicate for this on SO yet. I could be wrong.
 
8:46 PM
The best they can do is have one document with all the information. No links (no NAAs) to understand what is needed to ask a Question.
 
@Dharman I haven't found one I liked. Its enteirly possible there isn't one since there used to be a too basic close reason
 
@NathanOliver That one you found is fine as a duplicate. Especially this answer
 
@NathanOliver Unless they changed something very recently, the reason why it was closed can be determined from the text displayed to >3k users for all reasons, except custom reasons and resource request (both of those just show "does not meet ... guidelines").
Nope. Doesn't look like there was a very recent change. The other close reasons appear to still be differentiable from the displayed text.
 
@Scratte probably better to link to the dupe target instead of a question closed as a dupe
I hate it when questions are closed as a duplicate of a question also closed as a duplicate; very rarely is that truly called for IMHO
 
@TylerH Which makes no sense in this case. It is not an exact duplicate.
 
8:49 PM
(note I'm not a SME here so can't tell if the target is a good dupe closure or not)
don't know anything about oracle unless you're talking delphi (no, not the programming language)
 
@Makyen AFAIK it's been like this for a while for certain circumstances.
 
@NathanOliver I think avoiding the wall-of-text is a "clean UI" principle, but one should do that without harming utility.
 
@NathanOliver information overload in UIs is a documented thing (though I struggle to avoid rolling my eyes a little). However, in this case, multiple people decided to close a question for specific reasons. So askers definitely need to know all that info
 
@Dharman I think I made it work though :)
 
@NathanOliver I've looked at the new post notices fairly extensively. It's a PITA, but everything other than custom reasons and "resource request" have somewhat different text displayed to users with >3k rep.
 
8:53 PM
@Makyen is this one a 'too broad' reason then?
 
@TylerH Which one?
 
sorry, the one linked by scratte many lines above; stackoverflow.com/questions/62201466/…
 
There's noway that Question is too broad :) If would have said "Need more Focus" on the banner. Like this one
 
@TylerH No, that's either a custom reason or "resource request".
 
Hmm
Possible then that 3 different non-custom close reasons were chosen?
I can't imagine someone would've voted to close that as a resource request
 
8:57 PM
@TylerH The SE API indicates that it was "resource request".
 
@TylerH Would it not show the first one though?
How is that a resource request?
 
@Dharman I don't know; I have been under the assumption that it shows the one with the most votes
 
Heh.. there really is no "how to drop a view" on Stack Overflow. This may become a new canonical :D
 
I haven't thought about/researched what it shows if 3 separate reasons are used
not unless it gets reopened and answered...
 
Answering it is sort of already done in comments.
 
8:59 PM
You can't close a question as a dupe of another unless the target has an answer
an upvoted or accepted answer, at that
at -4 and no answers this one will likely get roomba'd quickly even as a dupe
 
(or both questions are by the same user)
 
@Makyen true, but that's a bit outside the 'scope' of "canonical dupe"
 
@TylerH True, but you were only missing one edge-case from your list. :)
 
wow, you're right @Makyen -- that is the text for resource request...
 
It's literary a very short oneliner and a copy of another answer. Of course one could always just site the Oracle documentation.
 
9:01 PM
(just cast the 3rd of 3 resource request votes on that cv-pls by dharman)
I'm sure there is a feature request on MSO or MSE to change the 'off-site request' close banner into something more specific/informative...
 
On another note: What the policy of telling users to Google stuff?
 
@TylerH Yes, I filed it as a bug here when the new post notices first came out, but it was marked . The text just got worse, IMO, with the "site specific" change.
 
@Scratte It's rude, condescending and impolite. Not everyone has access to Google
 
@Dharman Right. So.. the comment should be flagged? Or did you already do that?
 
I could not be bothered. Give people benefit of the doubt and flag as NLN
Cut me some slack I am tired at the end of the day
 
9:05 PM
I didn't ask you to do anything. I just asked if you had :)
 
I did now. I flagged as NLN.
 
9:46 PM
Is this an answer?
 
yes
Apparently, it was flagged by me.
 
@Dharman Wait..? By accident?
 
No, I assume I flagged it automatically. See bot.dharman.net/reports.php?id=209012
 
Did you retract it then?
 
Wait, you asked if this is a good answer that should stay. Then no. I flagged as NAA
I think I should take some rest today.
 
9:52 PM
Oh.. OK :) I was conflicted. Since they seem to be saying: This is a bug with Oracle.
 
Your words.
Answer says "Me too, no solution yet"
 
Ah. I see. I'll let them know to change the phrasing then.
 
 
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