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12:32 AM
 
Hi all, down votes on first posts review does not subtracts 1 rep ?
 
 
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3:27 AM
 
 
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4:59 AM
@Scratte Ack! I thought I deleted it before I migrated it!
@intika Yes, it does. Unless the review was an audit. Note, also, that you get refunded the rep loss for downvotes if/when the downvoted post is deleted.
 
5:11 AM
@intika only on answers, questions are free
 
6:02 AM
I am not sure which action to take here
 
@Vega Heh.. interesting. So they're answering the duplicate directly in the target?
 
I seems yes
 
The target seems to be not very specific. I'd let it be.
Perhaps tell them that this is not really the general idea of how to do it :)
 
The target seems to be an encyclopedia, haha. Yes, leaving a comment was one of my thoughts. Thank you :)
 
There are 3 answers by a particular user which are spam-like, out of 17 useful answers. I have warned the user in question there must be a disclaimer of some sort on the answers in question, however they appear to be ignoring me at this point. I don't want another edit war, and a spam flag seems a bit harsh; any advice for this conundrum?
To be clear, there was not an edit war with this particular user at any point in the past or present. I just have worries one might occur if I edit in a disclaimer.
 
6:17 AM
@Daedalus I think a custom moderator flag explaining the circumstance is your best option. Users rarely start edit wars with moderators :)
 
@Scratte [citation needed]
 
Very well.
 
6:33 AM
@CodyGray Heh.. sorry. I don't have any. But I used to have some bookmarked Questions with edit wars that was ended with/by a moderator :)
 
@Scratte Well, we do have the possibility of ending edit wars, since we can lock questions. But it has not really been my experience that users are in any reluctant to start edit wars with/against moderators.
I wish that were true. I am very hesitant to outright lock a question, because it has so many other consequences (e.g., disabling votes and legitimate edits), and that often means that users get into edit wars (especially vandalism edits) against me.
We recently got the ability to apply a lock targeting only comments, but I'd still like to see more fine-grained locks.
 
@CodyGray I think I've been sending some of those auto comment-flags to your queue :)
Do they know (are they new users) what the diamond means when they start edit-wars with you?
 
Very few people seem to know what the diamond means. We get an inordinate number of complaints from users about "moderators" closing their question when there have never been any moderators involved.
 
user10957435
I think some people say "moderators" when they really mean people with close privileges sometimes.
 
It's not really explained in the help center, is it?
 
Ah, OK. Is it linked from the tour?
 
@JohnDvorak Kinda. There's a link to "our community moderators"
Arguably, though, that kind of detail doesn't belong in the tour.
The tour is for people who want to get started asking or answering questions. It isn't a guide to not looking stupid when you go on a rant.
 
user10957435
I thought the idea was to teach people gradually the idea of closing.
 
@Chipster Yes, it is. We gradually close all of their questions until they figure out how it works.
 
In a sense, anyone using moderation privileges is a "moderator," in the sense that they moderate. They're not a proper-noun Moderator, though, like diamond mods are.
also wow the bit about the diamonds is really buried
 
6:50 AM
@Chipster Well.. the review page does say "Stack Overflow is moderated by you." Which I think should be changes to curated by you, because it seem to cause some confusion.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray :D, lol. That's one way of looking at it, I guess.
 
Or, perhaps we should rename diamond moderators.
 
@CodyGray To..? Omnipotenters?
 
I'm open for suggestions. ...Other than that one.
 
user10957435
How about "Dimonators"? Any better?
 
7:00 AM
I was thinking more along the lines of "Overlords"
 
I'm hurt.. I don't see anything wrong with being omnipotent. I often wish I was :)
 
Is it "Diamond overlords" or just "overlords"? Do we need to design a new symbol for you? Because I'm not exactly sure what a symbol for an "overlord" would be.
 
user10957435
"Supreme Leaders of SO"?
 
@VLAZ No, keep the diamond.
 
Good, that's less work.
 
7:04 AM
Plus, we're all familiar with it.
And former moderators can be given a hollow diamond (lozenge) icon. Someone suggested that on Meta years ago, and I still think it's a good idea.
 
quietly puts away mockup with the Prince symbol
 
I think that's copyrighted or something.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray That's actually a legitimately really good idea.
 
@Chipster Right? It's super weird to see something like, "Deleted by Bill the Lizard 7.25 years ago".
 
@VLAZ That would be a 👑 though that's suppose to be inherited, not elected.
 
7:06 AM
If you don't already know that Bill the Lizard is a moderator emeritus, you would be scratching your head wondering how some squamate reptile managed to delete that post.
 
@Scratte The emperor of the Holy Roman Empire would like to have a word.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Gonna be honest, I had to look up "emeritus".
 
@VLAZ I think they're dead. How do I book a meeting?
 
@Chipster But not squamate? Odd.
 
Although to be fair, the ruler of the HRE was far from super important. A lot of the times through history it was a title that brought them less power.
 
7:08 AM
@VLAZ Fair point. Maybe we should be Diamond Pontiffs?
Not enough people offended on SO yet. Let's bring religion into it.
 
user10957435
@CodyGray Now that you mention it, I should probably look that one up too. I think I was distracted by "emeritus" and didn't think about it...
 
I figured everyone knows emeritus from its common use with retired professors.
 
Establishing the moderators as a religious order sounds good. I think you can get some tax breaks.
 
@CodyGray I pray a lot for my code to work. That is enough religion for me already.
 
user10957435
I don't have enough experience with professors.
 
user10957435
7:11 AM
@CodyGray To be fair, SE has some religious sites already. It's just mostly separated from SO.
 
Oh, you don't think Buddhism.SE would be happy with Diamond Pontiffs running the show?
 
user10957435
Yeah, probably not.
 
But honestly, we do not need a new word for moderators. It's just one of those things that are misunderstood for a short time. There are much more pressing information new users need to get. And in doing so, they will likely also come to know about elected modertors.
 
user10957435
Some Protestants probably wouldn't either :D.
 
@Scratte Yes. I wonder how development is going on that big flashing <marquee> saying "Downvoting is not unfriendly"
 
7:16 AM
@CodyGray Did I miss something? Downvoting hurts, even if fair. It's suppose to hurt :) It's message is: This is not really very good.
 
It's not supposed to hurt.
Yes, it's supposed to be a message that other members of the community did not find your post to be clear, interesting, useful, and/or correct.
 
Really? I thought that anything other than "You're awesome, this is the best post ever" hurt.
 
If you choose to take offense to that, you're on your own.
It is actually difficult for me to comprehend the level of arrogance required to be offended by downvotes. Like, really, is this the first time you've ever uttered anything that others found confusing or disagreed with?
 
@CodyGray That's splitting hair. When others don't find my post to be good, I'll feel hurt. Not because they hurt me, but because my work wasn't good enough. If I'm really bad, it'll hurt more.. perhaps because what seems to be easy for others is just so hard for me, and life is unfair, and unfair always hurts.
 
This happens to me multiple times per day. I can't afford to get all bent out of shape each time.
 
7:21 AM
Being hurt is not the same as being offended. Being hurt can just as well be directed at oneself. Being offended is more like placing blame on others.
 
I still think it's a vast overreaction to be hurt that someone else found something you did to be "not good".
Not everything anyone does can be good.
(If you think you are an exception to this, please feel free to contact me for examples.)
 
That really depends. If they are right, it's good to feel a little hurt, because hurt may make one change the approach. Feelings do drive our actions. If they are wrong, it's best to just shrug it off. Like 2 revenge downvotes are not hurtful. But 2 downvotes on the same post because it's probably not a good post is suppose to change behaviour.
 
I can change my behavior (edit to improve, or simply reconsider and delete) without feelings getting involved.
Unless you're talking about me personally. Like if I post an answer on Meta saying, "On balance, I really don't think I'm a terrible moderator", and that gets like 9 downvotes, I would probably be a bit hurt. But that's a completely different scenario than when I say, "It is inefficient to loop through the array twice; you should reduce the strength of this by...".
 
I agree, but being able to differentiate those things is learned behaviour :) And it's not being an adult implicitly means it's been learned either.
 
I propose the term "adult-aged person".
 
7:35 AM
@JohnDvorak Pray tell, good sir, what set of circumstances have arisen that bring you to have henceforth established a preference for linguistic utterances which have the tendency of being somewhat lengthier than is strictly necessary to convey the essential meaning of whatever message you are desiring to convey through the mechanism of your vocalized speech?
 
Is it still called vocalized, it it's writings?
 
You don't have a bot reading the transcript of SOCVR to you?
Either way, good point. It seems I wasn't clear and should add some more words to clarify.
 
@JohnDvorak I've done that always. I've been told to not do it as it slows down the speed of reading. But despite that I've often tried to not do it, it seems my brain cannot comprehend the words unless I do this :(
 
I do it, too, most of the time, and I'm not a particularly slow reader.
 
7:44 AM
@DavidBuck I see no indication that the OP has any relation to yagmail; in fact, its author frequently posts on Stack Overflow under their own name
 
@tripleee 3 posts in 5 mins all linking to the OP's YouTube video?
 
If this is SUCH a bad idea: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/397526/… then how in the world will we ever get high-rep users to stop milking rep points by answering close-able questions? a sample page stackoverflow.com/questions/62164621/…
 
@DavidBuck ahh I see, yeah, agree then
it would be helpful to have at least a few of these reported to metasmoke for reference, but I can't add already-deleted posts
 
@mickmackusa Sort of like this one? I do not think it will stop. I'm not even sure it's such a bad thing if a good answer comes of it.
 
@tripleee Your complaint about efficient moderation has been registered. Thank you for your feedback.
 
7:50 AM
I'm not complaining, just hoping we can get a !!/report instead of (or in addition to just) a flag-pls going forward
 
(If it helps, user name was "Darsh Patel". Spam URL was youtu.be/cMYjhyrSv4s. All posts included "yagmail". Plenty to pattern-match against.)
Yeah, that's reasonable.
 
I can see the spam, just not add it to the archive
 
@Scratte if that one can be closed, why isn't it?
 
I don't usually check to see if it has been reported, since a lot of the reports are in Charcoal, not here.
@tripleee You can't see all 3 of them to confirm a pattern, since the user has been destroyed. I believe you can set up patterns to catch manually.
 
I added a watch for the YouTube link, is there another simple regex I should add?
 
7:51 AM
@mickmackusa I can't cast close votes. Let alone 3 of them. Nobody that looked at it cast any. It's also only been viewed 24 times. That's why.
 
@CodyGray you can proactively report if you can live with the noise of having some reports rejected, or even IIRC !!/report- to not receive feedback
 
@tripleee "send emails in python by using yagmail"; "tutorial for sending emails in python"
 
that seems rather prone to false positives, unfortunately
 
@tripleee More likely, if Sam adds it to a userscript. Honestly, there are enough buttons to click when dealing with spammers without adding more.
 
@mickmackusa Oops.. and I forgot to flag it myself. That's done now.
 
7:53 AM
(scratch the "IIRC", I just tested)
@CodyGray sure, I completely understand
is there a Github repo for Sam's userscripts where one could add a wishlist issue?
 
@tripleee github.com/samliew/so-mod-userscripts. Both AdditionalPostModActions and AdditionalInlinePostModMenu (same thing, just different presentation) add a "destroy" link that facilitate flagging spam and destroying accounts.
 
thanks!
 
@mickmackusa Some of those Questions also require that one carefully reads the entire Question to see that it should be closed. I had one posted as a cv-pls here. It didn't get a single vote, which I think it because on the surface the post looks good. It's only when one wants to answer it that one notices the inconsistencies.
 
@tripleee Only concern here is that sometimes we moderators destroy users for reasons other than spam... And that feedback might confuse MS.
 
another issue is with timing, metasmoke needs a few seconds to retrieve the post before it can be deleted
perhaps a better solution altogether would be to have an API for reporting the information about a post even after it's gone
 
8:04 AM
I like to believe that moderators are able to destroy physical users, not just the system entry. They just press a button and disintegrate the person.
 
careful what you wish for
 
@VLAZ Finally back to Omnipotentors :D
 
@VLAZ I've always assumed that's what happens. I haven't actually read the documentation.
 
at most you should be able to decrease their refcount
 
Isn't it under GC?
 
8:10 AM
Oh, no wonder the world is so buggy!
Circular references everywhere!
 
I've found something strange with flags versus close votes. Most of the time a flag is marked helpful when a close vote is made after the flag is raised. But it seems there is a setting or a circumstance where it doesn't happen. Any ideas if it's a glitch?
 
@CodyGray just to get back to you about my DNS issue: going to Google's DNS servers fixed my problem, but about 30 mins later my complete network freaked out and I had to do a factory reset on my router. As mentioned, my router doesn't allow selecting a DNS server itself, but is apparently very unhappy about devices (my laptop in this case) overriding its unsettable-settings... I'm deliberating calling my provider to either fix their DNS server, or allow me to set my own
 
@Adriaan I'd start by just asking them to fix theirs. You already confirmed that there is a problem by temporarily changing to Google's DNS server and seeing that the problem went away.
It's like programming. YAGNI. Don't ask for more features than you need. You don't really care about the ability to customize your DNS servers.
(Isn't that just fantastic? Acronyms created with slang.)
 
You Are Going to Need It
 
@Scratte Perhaps the close vote is for a different reason than the flag? I don't know. I can't say without actually seeing some specific examples.
 
8:25 AM
Just as more close votes than we currently have at maximum
:p
 
That's weird; I haven't run out yet. :-p
 
meh :p
You are talking out of the blue :p
(hint: color of your nick name)
 
@CodyGray I happen to have one :) this very recent cv-pls of mine
 
@Scratte So far, this bears out my theory. Both close votes have been for "needs more broad"; your flag was for "needs more details".
But apparently it actually getting closed marks the flag as helpful.
 
@CodyGray That's odd though, because I'm sure a lot of my flags are not identical to the close reasons. I'll find another example :)
 
8:29 AM
Good.
 
I flagged this as "Need details and clarity", but it's closed as "needs debugging details". Though I can't remember how many votes it had when I got it in the queue.
 
@Scratte None. It was closed by a vote from only one user, me. I'm the same user who cleared your flag (which I did implicitly, by closing).
 
@CodyGray Right. Bad example. another one, not closed at the moment this is marked helpful though.
Perhaps all the variations of "specific site reasons" goes into one bucket?
 
@Scratte OK, perfect. There are two pending "recommend closure" flags on that question. Yours was "not suitable for this site", which is marked as helpful, since the question received a vote by Dharman to close as "not suitable for this site". However, the other pending "recommend closure" flag is for "needs details for clarity", and it has not yet been marked helpful.
So it must be exactly as I predicted. A vote from a user with close-vote privileges for the same reason will mark your "recommend closure" flag as helpful. Otherwise, your flag will only be marked helpful when the question actually gets closed by consensus (regardless of reason).
 
Thank you :) All doubt is removed now :)
 
8:38 AM
\o
 
..wonder if the same if true for flagging as duplicates.
I mean if I think something needs more details while it's closed as a duplicate or the other way around will mark a flag as helpful.
 
I already spent my close vote on stackoverflow.com/questions/62042917/… but I have left a comment with a recommended duplicate. This is not a proper cv-pls but I would appreciate if someone would nominate as a duplicate of stackoverflow.com/questions/56887544/…
 
:49540819 I can't find clear affiliation, either in the profile or on the linked site.
 
@Adriaan username is same as domain name
 
@Nick I should've seen that, thanks
 
 
10:13 AM
Note: Audits can also come with "Our system has identified this post as possible spam; please review carefully" on very good posts.
 
@Scratte Aside from potentially highlighting audits, that message is virtually useless.
 
@DavidBuck I find it quite funny because it's also on the Question when reviewing an Answer. But this is the first time, I've seen it on a audit where "No actions needed" is the passing click.
 
11:06 AM
Isn't this answer NAA? I raised a flag and it was declined.
 
@double-beep I would say so. They just linked to another post on SO.
 
11:34 AM
@double-beep it's NAA, they should close as duplicate.. but since not new only if you have tons of energy you can raise custom flag... I would probably look the other way and just accept that mod was wrong.. leaving it...
 
12:02 PM
Should we mark this as spam? stackoverflow.com/a/62172345
 
@double-beep if you leave out the link the answer contains: "Global" Include. and if you squint a bit that is the answer to the question. Once an answer has text that could resemble a keyword or a concept applicable to a programming language, raising NAA flags becomes Russian Roulette.
 
@Steve I would say yes! It's effectively soliciting business. If the email address were replaced with a "click here," then it would be obviously spam.
 
@Steve Shame we can't also flag it for terrible formatting...
 
Afternoon.
 
12:12 PM
Am I late or too early, I don't know, but the layout for the edit review changed
 
@Vega wow, the diff is actually usable now!
 
@rene That's part of the title of the linked question, the markdown is a bare link.
 
I have a question: Is it on-topic to ask if a third-party SW should be distributed within the installation package? See stackoverflow.com/questions/62167912/…
 
@eyllanesc That's not a programming question, not even a software packaging question. That's a documentation and/or license question
 
that's what I think, does anyone disagree with that point?
 
12:33 PM
@Braiam so?
 
@double-beep Yes, this is NAA. I flagged it again and also voted to close as duplicate
 
@eyllanesc well, that specific question has two answers: Yes and No. And both answers can list pros and cons and then still the question and the answers are still useless. There is a programming question to be asked on that topic but that one isn't it. At best it is the initial step towards their actual problem.
 
12:51 PM
@rene The unrendered version doesn't include information, remember, it should be the original text.
 
that is a response only a dev can give. A mod looks at that content as is and then clicks a button.
Technically you're right.
That right is of no use in practice.
 
@Braiam This is where a comment serves well. If it's clear from a single comment that this is just a link to a Question, and that the solution should be included, the moderator or reviewers are more likely to understand that the link-text isn't a solution at all.
 
 
1 hour later…
2:21 PM
@bad_coder A single downvote would Roomba that at the end of the week. It hasn't seen any activity for 4.5 years...
 
@JohnDvorak for those curious, the timeout handler is unclosed
 
@DavidBuck thanks, I knew I should have looked at the Roomba criteria again...I've come across a ton of posts like that lately...
 
@bad_coder Easiest way is to install the Roomba Forecaster from the tools page
 
@DavidBuck I've been postponing giving the users scripts a go...
 
@bad_coder Don't postpone any longer. Install the extension (Tampermonkey). Estimate 5 min if you have a coffee and cookie too. Install the userscript. Estimate: 5 min if you also want to understand how that happened all on it's own. In 10 min, you'll be so happy that you did this and you'll wonder why you ever postponed it.
And it doesn't do anything permanent. There's a dashboard where you can turn your scripts on and off whenever you want to. You can also delete them.. and poof!.. you'll wonder why you did that :D
If you're not yet convinced, this is what you're missing. The box comes up when you hover :)
 
2:41 PM
@Scratte That >0 views doesn't make sense.
How can a question have < 1 views?
 
@Braiam I assume it is a rounding problem and we're not bothered by it.
 
@Braiam I have no idea :) I've never seen a real live post being eaten by Roomba on the 365 day rule.
 
@Braiam According to Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered, zero-score questions after a year? the view count rule is: "fewer than (question age in days * 1.5) views"
 
Yeah, I expect 0 days on a question asked today.
 
2:53 PM
Hmm.. Not ceil(1/24 * 1.5) for an hour old Question? :)
 
I have a question regarding a LQP review - hopefully this is the right place to ask. I just gained full editing privileges and thus access to the LQP queue. This answer is obviously low quality and probably not very helpful by itself (I don't know the topic), but according to this (old) meta post it is nonetheless a partial answer and thus "Looks OK".
After checking the review history I noticed that three other reviewers voted for deletion, and now I am wondering whether I took the right choice. Is there are any (new) consensus on how to treat such answers?
 
@Braiam But it was > 0 views. So it's probably exactly 0 * 1.5 = 0.
 
@Braiam >0 views seems to me it would be 1 or greater, not < 1
since views are counted as integers
 
dbc
@JanWichelmann Honestly I would vote "Looks OK" for that one, since it does contain some information (and isn't link-only either). I might also leave a comment to the poster asking them to explain their answer further.
 
@bad_coder Is there some activity on/about this question which isn't obvious from the question page (mentioned somewhere, a rejected edit, proposed dup, etc.)? The last activity shown for this question was 4 years, 2 months ago. That's too old for a cv-pls. cv-pls requests should, generally, be for questions for which the community benefits from them being closed quickly. Please see #11 in the FAQ.
 
dbc
3:00 PM
Newer reviewers in the LQP queue tend to be a little too aggressive in deleting incomplete answers, which is something that the old-but-good meta post You're doing it wrong: A plea for sanity in the Low Quality Posts queue was meant to correct.
 
@JanWichelmann There is a newer very thorough post about the LQP queue I also would have voted "Looks OK" on the post.
 
dbc
In theory LQP reviewers are also supposed to vote "Looks OK" (+ open another window and downvote) completely wrong answers that are well-formed answers. I must admit to sometimes skipping those because voting "Looks OK" just seems wrong.
 
Alright, thanks for the feedback! This matches what I figured. I will add a comment then :)
 
dbc
And remember: when going through a review queue you can always skip. If you're unsure of something, or just don't feel like dealing with it, feel free to skip. We're volunteers here, not employees.
 
@TylerH Yeah, I now know what is the box actually saying: that it has more views than days since created times 1.5
@dbc You can't vote on the LQRQ
 
3:04 PM
@dbc Yeah, I did that plenty of times already
But since lots of posts look similar to the mentioned one, I figured that skipping each time does not really contribute, especially if I know what to do in theory
 
dbc
@Braiam Not in the queue itself, but You're doing it wrong: A plea for sanity in the Low Quality Posts queue does say to "Downvote, <u>comment</u>" for a wrong answer.
 
@dbc That's also what the guideline for First Posts and Late Answers says, if I remember correctly.
 
@dbc Again, that "guide" ignores the reality of the LQRQ. As does spam audits on the same queue.
 
3:33 PM
@tripleee I almost upvoted that post so much I laughed :)
 
3:56 PM
 
4:15 PM
@Georgy Yes, there are bugs in your code.
 
I flagged this mysql trouble with access question as a duplicate. It's been disputed by author. Would someone take a look at it?
 
@Scratte it's been disputed because the triage consensus was Looks OK.
 
@double-beep Oh.. that was unexpected. Thank you :)
But that doesn't make sense though. Since Triage isn't suppose to be looking for duplicates, I think..
 
@Braiam Too bad!
 
@Scratte see this MSO post.
 
4:21 PM
@double-beep Thank you :) I see. At least it's not declined. Yay :)
I still think it's a duplicate. What do I do now?
 
Rant on Meta?
2
 
@Scratte wait for someone to agree with you.
 
@rene I've heard that is very fashionable :) I'm going with @double-beep though.
The post on meta that was linked to is only almost 4 years old. I'll rant in 2-4 :)
 
And to think the standard is 6-8.
 
..it is. Add 2-4 to 4 :)
 
4:28 PM
I like potatoes.
 
5:22 PM
 
@Georgy Hahahahaha
 
5:46 PM
Would people mod flag to lock this question which has been vandalised twice by the OP, or just close as it's a basically a typo?
 
close as typo, let the roomba get it or manually delete 2 days later. If the vandalize again, then mod flag is what I would do.
 
Am I going crazy or did two people just answer this question in French as if nothing was amiss?
 
It's not that shocking. people will answer a lot in hopes of getting those sweet imaginary unicorn points
 
To be fair, it's pretty intelligible, even though it's a very, very long time since I studied French at school.
 
Even if you don't know french, it provides what is supposed to be the input and output of the code.
 
5:55 PM
Yeah, I mean, I Google Translated it too and it's easily answerable, but I just mostly wanted to make sure that I didn't miss an edit or something.
 
@NathanOliver And vandalised again
 
mod flag for sure then
 
@NathanOliver Now I'm confused. Edit history says they've vandalised it yet again, but I can't see the vandalised version.
 
@DavidBuck Press on the dotted line and click "show full diff"
It will by default only show what has changed.
 
6:12 PM
@Scratte Ah. They'd deleted the whole thing previously so I was expecting the same and hadn't realised they'd only deleted half of it.
There should be a bronze "Warrior" badge: Participated in first rollback war.
 
@DavidBuck As far as I can see they didn't invalidate the answer.
 
@Scratte I agree. Previously they'd wiped out the entire question, but this time they've left the pertinent code and the blurb.
 
7:13 PM
Would people roll this one back? Reads to me like the person that answered has oddly added their own opinions into the question for a reason I can't fathom.
 
@DavidBuck That could be from clarifications that are no longer there in the comments.
 
7:48 PM
@Scratte @Makyen I see this cv-pls has three tags rather than 1... is that a new update to the scripts or is it a feature that's been around a while and just not used by folks often?
 
@TylerH Not a feature of the scripts. The message was most likely manually created, or the tags added as part of the "reason".
 
@TylerH Sorry. I did that deliberately. No one tag was "right".
If it causes any problems for the other user scripts, I'll not do that again.
I cannot hide my ways from Makyen, I added them to the reason.
 
8:32 PM
@Scratte no issues, I was just curious as it was otherwise formatted as an auto-post from a script (included the full timestamp)
I didn't realize you could specify multiple tags with the script
 
@TylerH I did it very manually :) The user script is great. It perfectly gave me a preview.
 
@Scratte You include the date and time of the question's posting, down to the second, when you manually write a cv-pls request?
 
@TylerH No. I used the user script. But in the reason, that just had the "Needs Details Or Clarity" as normal. I added the extra tags in the beginning of the reason. So, the "manual" part was just modifying the reason.
 
ah
 
9:03 PM
 
Are there any reasons I wouldn't get a notification if somebody mentions me with an @ in a comment? I was a close voter on a question and OP started a comment with @VLAZ. As far as I can see, all the characters match. Yet I didn't get a notification.
Just to clarify - I didn't comment, I just close voted. I think I should still be pingable.
 
dbc
@VLAZ The @ name functionality is not a general messaging tool, you only get a notification if you previously commented, are an author or editor of the post, put a bounty on the question, or closed or reopened the question under certain specific circumstances. For details see: How do comment @replies work?.
 
Ah, got it. So only binding voters get pinged. Us lowly democratic peasants don't get a ping. Thanks for the info.
 
9:23 PM
@VLAZ Not quite. You can only be pinged if you were the sole user which took the action. So, yes, it must be a close-voter with a binding vote, but they must also have acted alone.
 
As a different question - can a gold badge holder choose to not apply a binding vote for a dupe? I've always wondered.
 
@VLAZ No. If you have a binding vote, then the vote is binding.
 
OK. I wasn't sure if the dupe hammer was a conscious choice or an always-on power.
 
9:42 PM
Wow, that's so many arcane rules for when you are and aren't notified... I now suspect I've missed a lot of comment replies that were directed at me but without an @...
 
@RyanM It's quite likely that you, and most active users, have missed a good number. I find it common for new, or even moderately experienced, users to just write in the comment box without actually doing an @ping, which won't ping you unless you are the only user who's commented on the post.
 
Maybe I should start following questions I think might be salvageable with some improvements by the OP.
 
@Makyen That's why I'm explicit, except when I'm addressing the OP.
 
@RyanM I tend to leave questions open in a tab. That's how I saw that I was mentioned in a comment.
 
9:54 PM
How do new users even find out to do that? A surprising number do, but I don't know that I remember ever seeing anything say to...you have to expand the "help" text. I guess they read that, but not the much longer pages on how to ask a good question?
@VLAZ My browser is laggy enough without leaving the many dozen questions I take some sort of action on open in tabs ;-P
 
@RyanM It's probably a good idea. There have been many times where I've happened to go back and check on a question where I've commented and found a response from the OP which wouldn't have pinged anyone. Given the number I've seen by revisiting, there really must be quite a few which I have not seen, due to never revisiting. SE really should implement a "reply" feature, or a popup that explicitly tells OPs that their current comment won't ping anyone and how to make it happen.
 
@RyanM Yeah, about that
 
@Braiam Yep, you basically have to be. I try to be in the habit of always being explicit in comments, and only not explicit when the system auto-removes the @ping(which it really shouldn't do, as it's bad training, and maybe I wanted it there.)
 
@Braiam Wow, and here I thought I had a lot
@Braiam have you ever had tabs just stop loading? It's driving me absolutely nuts
 
@RyanM Nope, mine is weirder. The entire window just disappear. It's probably xfwm messing up which window should it show for the current virtual desktop.
xfwm = xfce windows manager.
 
10:01 PM
@Braiam I've had the entire browser crash on me periodically as though it ran out of memory; that was fun.
May have to switch back to Chrome, but I'm mildly disgruntled about it because the increasing WebKit monoculture makes me sad
 
Well, unless I'm using my system for simulation, it's difficult for my system to feel memory pressure.
I'm on Linux, so YMMV
 
My system has 32GB of RAM and is on Windows, so it should be fine...
it's generally not hitting the RAM cap when it happens, plus I have paging enabled
 
I would blame Windows on that one, as is tradition :)
 
@RyanM Yes, I've had that happen. When it happened, one or more Firefox processes would consume 100% of a CPU continuously. I fixed it by going into about:config and changing dom.max_chrome_script_run_time and dom.max_script_run_time away from being 0. Personally, I picked about 3 times the default value for each, but the important thing was not to have them be 0. I'm not sure how they got to be set to zero, but it did result in some tabs which were just completely dead/blank.
 
Values on my system are 20 and 10.
 
10:11 PM
@Braiam Yep, those are the default values.
 
@RyanM I'm on Windows10. I don't have more than 50 open tabs though, but it's working fine with Opera.
 
@Makyen Interesting, thanks for a direction to investigate! Mine are set to the defaults of 20 and 10, respectively. How did you discover that that was the problem?
 
10:27 PM
@RyanM I clicked "Run code snippet" for the original version of the snippet in this MSO quetion. That snippet was, originally, designed to run for an extremely long time, without giving up the processor. It resulted in exhibiting similar symptoms to what I'd been experiencing for a while. I did not see the notice of a long running script which another user reported.
So, I investigated to find what set the limits to how long some JavaScript code can execute until the notification is supposed to be displayed. Once I found them, which changes to the about:config UI makes much more difficult than it used to be, it was easy to see that the fact that they were set to 0 would cause the symptoms I was experiencing, if there was ever any misbehaving JavaScript on any page. I'm kind-of surprised that I wasn't encountering the problem more often than I was.
 
fascinating, closing the tab does not stop it
I am getting the "a web page is slowing down your browser" message, which I have not seen when I experience the issue. Symptoms are otherwise identical, though.
You can run the bad script, _close the tab_, and it'll still break one of your Firefox content processes.
Thanks, this is a very useful avenue to look down - it's not quite the same, but gives me a little more in terms of what to report to Mozilla if I file a bug report
 
@RyanM Yes, with the dom.max_script_run_time value set to 0, that's what happens if you run the original version of the snippet, which only stopped if a single exact random value was returned (i.e. it would eventually stop, but, on average, not for a long time). The only way to recover was to exit Firefox and restart. Having one process locked up meant that opening a new tab would randomly just remain blank, due to trying to use that process to render the content.
 
11:17 PM
@Makyen Oh that thing... it happened to me once or twice at start of march. I just killed the process that was misbehaving and reloaded the tabs.
Are any of you using Firefox ESR?
 
@Braiam I didn't have all that much success with just killing the process. Yes, it made things a bit better, but didn't really fix things. With > 1,000 tabs, it would be necessary to find all of the ones which were allocated to that process to reload. I also found that sometimes the URL was lost under those circumstances, which wasn't something I desired.
@Braiam Personally, I haven't been on an ESR release since the one just prior to the WebExtensions cut-over.
 
@Braiam Quite the opposite: I'm using Firefox Nightly. I've just always restarted the browser by telling it to take an update, which usually crashes it when it's in that state.
"I also found that sometimes the URL was lost under those circumstances, which wasn't something I desired." yep, same here
 
Ok, then it isn't an old bug that was fixed later on.
 
Yeah, I thought it was a new bug, but maybe it's just been there for a while?
 
Sadly, those kind of behavior are very difficult to reproduce.
 

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