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12:40 AM
@ArdentCoder No, that answer should be flagged as rude-abusive, not deleted. This is important because the flag has more repercussions
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels I really do want to "do the Right Thing™", but I also choose to go beyond that in order to avoid the perception of not doing so.
@Makyen Good morning lol
 
@ArdentCoder I'm sorry but I don't understand what you just stated
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels sigh... Make yet another note to self that reads: 'Remember not to just believe people when they answer "Yes" to "Did you try turning the power off and then back on?"'
 
@ArdentCoder Just quoting things I've said out of context and in ways that really don't fit the situation isn't appropriate.
 
@Makyen Haha, btw it does fit into this context
 
12:52 AM
@ArdentCoder: This still doesn't make sense at all. Please clarify
 
@ArdentCoder I don't see how it fits in responding to @HovercraftFullOfEels's request for clarification.
 
@Makyen 1st one: Ultimately, it will be deleted after flagging. 2nd one: partial agreement to Hovercraft's initial note
 
@ArdentCoder Once someone indicates they didn't understand what you were saying, it's time to just be straightforward and explain. It's not time to just respond with something even more out of left field. The goal should be to communicate, not to keep "playing".
 
Oh I see, good tip again :)
 
1:14 AM
Otherwise, the other party won't take you seriously, since you are not taking them seriously
I still have no idea what point your were trying to make @ArdentCoder, but at this point, to be honest, I don't care.
 
@HovercraftFullOfEels Most of my writing is largely informed from reading, but specifically learning about writing is something that I've intended to do a more systematic job for, but haven't ever really gotten to doing it.
 
@ArdentCoder It's past time to stop doing that (just responding with quotes, particularly when not indicating that they are quotes).
 
@Makyen I had already stopped it, but "at this point, he didn't care" provoked me. Since those quotes are perfectly fitting to my intended replies, I felt like marking them as quotes will look like a troll :P
 
1:38 AM
@ArdentCoder Here's the thing: The take-away from HovercraftFullOfEels saying "I don't care" shouldn't have been that it was a provocation. The take-away should have been a realization that what you were doing failed as an attempt to communicate. Communication is always the responsibility of at least both sides. Yes, it may be more the responsibility of one side than the other, but both sides have to choose to communicate and each side can choose to not communicate.
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You need to make a choice as to if you wish to be effective, or just do it "your way". If your choice is to do it "your way", then you should realize that you will be far less effective at communicating. Choosing to do it "your way" will also result in some people choosing not to communicate with you at times when you want to communicate, and/or they will choose to communicate in ways which you would prefer not to happen.
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Effectively communicating often means for you to adapt to who you're trying to communicate and present what you want to communicate in a way that they will understand, rather than attempting to force them to adapt to you.
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@Makyen Though my intentions were not bad, I'm happy that I got some more quotes from you :D Wonderfully written, and thanks for the advice!
 
@ArdentCoder Presenting them as quotes is what's required by the license and terms of service. It would have been possible to present them in a manner which would not have conveyed the impression you were trying to avoid, but, yes, doing so would have required more effort.
 
Yeah, you're back in form lol
@Makyen Next time onwards, I'll make some negligible changes to your quotes and then present them as mine muahaha
 
@ArdentCoder While I believe this statement is intended as tongue-in-cheek, doing what you describe is, also, covered under the license, and still requires compliance with the appropriate terms. In general, you will probably want to look up the term "derivative work".
 
@Makyen Lol, I have no idea of this plagiarized world. I'm almost a kid
 
2:40 AM
@Makyen your posts about communication were beautifully put.
 
@Nick Thank you.
 
@Nick All his posts are beautifully put
 
@ArdentCoder Thank you too.
 
 
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4:17 AM
Is there any guidance on whether "use $tool", a link to the tool, and no guidance on usage is an answer or NAA? Assume that the question is not specifically asking for tool recommendations. (which, per Shog9, would make it a bad answer, but an answer nonetheless)
 
@RyanM It sounds like it might be just slightly above NAA, but that's really going to depend on the specifics of both the question and answer.
 
Recommending a tool that is relevant and might solve the problem is generally going to be an answer. Deleting that answer risk destroying value. Now, is it a good answer? No, almost certainly not. A good answer is going to have to explain why the tool solves the problem and how to use it. But not all bad answers are "NAA" answers.
But if you feel the tool suggestion is completely irrelevant to the question, or spammy, then raising a flag on it might be reasonable.
And, if you feel the tool suggestion just really needs to go, and deleting it will not represent a significant loss of value, then just flag as NAA anyway. Mods can convert these types of answers to comments, and some of us will do just that instead of deleting outright.
 
4:47 AM
@JohnDvorak Why does that need to be deleted now? It's closed... You should give the asker at least a chance to edit.
 
Do you think it can be fixed?
 
Well, I don't know. But that's not really how we decide. Deleting it now just forces the person to post a new question if they want to try editing, whereas if we leave this one, they can just edit it.
 
Do you have a script to post it later, then? We really don't want the question to stick in its current state, as it is overwhelmingly likely to stay even if we do allow the asker to add their attempt at the homework.
 
@JohnDvorak I agree with CodyGray. I don't see a reason to delete that at this time. It doesn't appear to be causing harm. It's not massively off-topic to the point of being impossible for them to edit to the point of it being reopened. Just because the terminology changed from "on hold" to just "closed" doesn't mean that we shouldn't be giving OP's the opportunity to edit their questions into shape. IMO, we should allow OPs the time to make edits, if they choose to.
Yes, the significant majority will never edit their question to the point where it can be reopened, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't let them have the opportunity to do so. If the post is actually causing harm in some way, then we should step in and delete it.
 
Also, Roomba should count as such a script in this case.
 
5:02 AM
@JohnDvorak A) It will Roomba in 10 days. B) The Request Generator has the ability to automatically open the question for you after a period of time which you can set. One of the presets is 11 days, which is a bit after a question will Roomba and allows for you to double check that there wasn't a state change that prevented the Roomba from dealing with it.
 
Now that the answer is deleted, roomba is plausible. It wasn't while the answer was there.
 
@JohnDvorak The answer wouldn't have kept it from being Roomba'd unless it was closed as a duplicate, or the answer was accepted or upvoted (or the question was upvoted, etc.).
 
It's a homework dump with an answer... was with an answer. Now it's just a homework dump.
Do you really trust the greater community not to upvote the answer? It is technically correct.
I didn't say Roomba was impossible, just unreliable.
Are you saying we shouldn't be deleting homework dumps until their answers do get an upvote ... or ever?
 
@JohnDvorak No, not really, that's why I added the feature to have revisits into the Request Generator.
 
... where's that revisit feature? I don't see it in the GUI.
 
5:08 AM
@JohnDvorak Are you using the release version or the alpha version?
In the alpha version, revisits are listed as a Request Type.
 
Here's another hypothetical: if we ever consider 10 days as old - as I would be inclined to do - then how do we handle the revisits?
ugh... wow. I consider that quite unintuitive.
 
@JohnDvorak I'm not sure what you're asking here. The "recent activity" requirement only applies to cv-pls. Is that what you're thinking about?
 
I would expect "request type: revisit" to ask the room to check the post in N days.
@Makyen questions without recent activity can be delvoted???
 
@JohnDvorak I can understand that. The UI is ... less than ideal.
@JohnDvorak The recent activity requirement has only ever applied to cv-pls requests, not any other type of request.
 
Even worse: the UI changes if I switch the request type to reminder, but it still says "send request". To whom?
 
5:14 AM
@JohnDvorak Hmmm... If you've selected a revisit, then the action button should say "Save" and be a different color. Is that not the case for you?
 
Oh. There's a button. I was referring to that link at the top...
 
@JohnDvorak Hmmm... good point. I had basically blanked that one from consideration. You're right. That should be adjusted.
 
Actually clicking it (which I normally wouldn't do because I'd expect a link that says "send request" to ... send a request) shows some kind of ... menu?
Yeah, the UI needs to be worked on.
 
@JohnDvorak Yeah, that's basically left over from the way it was originally. That definitely could be better.
 
Here's an idea: "revisit at exponentially increasing intervals, and only notify me if it drops out of roomba eligibility"
 
5:21 AM
Maybe we need a new review queue that displays all undeleted, closed questions > 10 days old :-)
"Abandoned Questions Review Queue": Can you salvage this question by editing? Do the existing answers contain anything of value? If not, then indicate that this question should be deleted.
 
@JohnDvorak That's a possibility. Currently, the script doesn't look at any criteria for the revisits other than that the time you've specified has passed. Having it automatically do more is something which certainly could be added. It's something which is on the list, but hasn't been a high priority, yet.
 
@Makyen maybe split it into a separate script? More discoverable, and doesn't clutter up the UI.
I'd also imagine it helps clean up the code.
 
@CodyGray That sounds like a good idea to me, as long as we put some limits on it as to questions qualifying (e.g. score < X, or some such)
 
Generally, when you hear me talk about creating a new review queue, I am not serious. It's more like a yo dawg, I hear you like review queues meme.
 
You should be
 
5:25 AM
:)
OTOH, a lot of that review can be done with just searching.
 
Now you're just talking crazy. Search?!
 
Do you really want the cornerstone of your quality control to be the right people inputting the right text strings in a text box that isn't even linked from anywhere, requires a separate login, and is the only place in the network that has a frigging captcha?
 
The "you have been rate limited" page has a captcha. I hit it pretty often.
 
@JohnDvorak Potentially. A lot of the code is shared with remembering what requests you've made. At least for me, the revisits are primarily in order to perform moderation tasks which are tightly coupled with making requests. At least for my usage, they tend to fit together, even if the UI could be significantly improved. Although, I admittedly also use revisits to revisit questions or answers which I'm interested in. However, a lot of that I've been migrating to "following".
@JohnDvorak No. I think a review queue is a good idea. I just think that I'm able to do searches now, whereas a new review queue is, at least, a long 6–8 in the future (unless implemented with a userscript).
 
Here's an idea: do separate them - and make the review action an extension to the follow feature, rather than of the request sender... since it doesn't, you know, send a request.
Also, you could add a link from the request sender to the list of all SOCVR userscripts.
 
5:34 AM
@JohnDvorak I'll certainly be thinking about it. It might take a while to gel as to what might work well.
@JohnDvorak I'm torn between potential convenience/discoverability and a dislike of advertising.
 
It's a link in the footer, not a blinkenbanner.
Frankly, I'd just rather delete homework dumps as soon as they're posted. Even if the poster does add an attempt (unlikely), then 1) that attempt will invalidate the existing answer (so bears the risk of retaliation and reversal), and 2) it won't be a good question even if it sticks, gets reopened and the now off-topic answer removed.
In other words, it will require deletion even if it does get edited, just for a different reason.
Not useful to anybody because the poster made a mistake no reasonable person would, rather than not useful to anybody because the asker just wants us to do their homework.
 
It may end up requiring manual intervention for deletion. It may not. It probably will end up being deleted. The OP probably won't edit to make the question on-topic. I just feel we shouldn't deprive the OP of the chance/opportunity to do so. Some, few, will constructively use that opportunity. It doesn't cost us much to let them have it.
 
It won't cost us much ... if you make the reminder functionality discoverable ;)
 
That's a problem we can solve.
 
5:52 AM
In completely unrelated news: I do believe the YouTube bot has gone senile. It's recommending me a let's play in German because of ... an 80s song I listened to a year ago, in English, from a band from Sweden? Also, Why would I ever watch a video titled, in all caps and with emoji, "Important message for you" from somebody called "the tarot emporium"? Ten different videos in Turkish?
 
That certainly doesn't sound like something I'd watch.
 
6:10 AM
Oh, hey, yet another fan theory about a game that hasn't even come out
Ultimate proof Jesus Christ didn't exist??? Really?
 
I'm guessing Abba caused all this
 
How's that?
I'm not talking about that band from Sweden, but do share your theory
 
I'm not sure. Checking the years there were active now.. :) since: "an 80s song I listened to a year ago, in English, from a band from Sweden"
Now I've got abba singing in my head.
I was off by a decade :(
 
Good guess, but actually no
 
6:28 AM
I'm trapped in own head either way, and will probably have "Waterloo - couldn't escape if I wanted to" going on in here the rest of the day :)
The Request generator uses localstorage to save reminders, right?
 
@Scratte No. It uses userscript storage, which is actually within the extension storage for the userscript manager. If it used localStorage, then it would only have access to the reminders which were created on the specific SE site where it was currently running, which wouldn't be all that useful, except on sites which you visit on a regular basis.
 
oh, neat
 
@Makyen I'm not well versed in those different storages. Does it make the data persistent even if one runs in private mode?
 
6:43 AM
The entire purpose of private mode is that data is not persistent.
 
@Scratte That's going to depend on the permissions you've given to the userscript manager, and perhaps settings which you may be able to change in the extension. In other words, the userscript doesn't have control over if the data is persistent in private windows/tabs. The extension which you've installed as your userscript manager, and the permissions it's asked for and you've granted control that.
 
@JohnDvorak I know :) But like all other things, there's sometimes a workaround.
 
Basically, extensions can persist data from private windows/tabs, if you've given them permission to do so.
 
@Makyen At least it needs to be allowed to run in private mode. Perhaps it needs separate permissions though.
 
@Scratte That's going to depend on your browser and userscript manager.
 
6:49 AM
@Makyen Thanks. I'll try to find the options :)
 
7:15 AM
I think perhaps I'm using the wrong script. I tried the "SECloseVoteRequestGenerator.user.js". It doesn't seem to have an option for saving. Or do one need to send a request before that option comes about?
 
It's hidden among the request types.
 
Then I think I'm missing another script. It seems to want me to write something.
 
@Scratte What version of the script are you using? Are you using the release version, or the alpha version?
The alpha version is the recommended version, as long as you are not using Greasemonkey on Firefox.
 
@Makyen I went to the link provided in the FAQ. Now I'm trying to work out how to get to the other version from the main page on github :)
 
7:35 AM
@Scratte You'll want the CVRG-Mak-new-version branch. It's probably easier to just use the link above, or on the tools page. I'd forgotten there was a direct link from the FAQ.
 
@Makyen It did dawn on me that it wasn't a separete script, but another branch :) It seems to have slightly increased in size..
 
@Scratte It increased in size, just a wee little bit. :)
 
Oh!.. that script looks awesome! :)
 
Thanks.
@Scratte While I wrote the vast majority of the increases you mentioned, it's really based on the original version, which was contributed to by multiple people, but was mostly the work of Tiny Giant.
 
7:52 AM
@Makyen I did notice that. And the long list of contributes. :)
 
I didn't do anything.
Still waiting for people to start writing userscripts in C++.
 
@CodyGray Don't wait for others to do something you can do yourself ;)
 
I got ridiculously excited when I heard of this "WebAssembly" thing, but it turned out to be different from what I thought.
 
@CodyGray :) Well, we could probably create a cross compiler, at least for a subset of the languages, if one doesn't already exist.
 
Oh yeah, I love compilers.
Before Sam was elected mod, and I had to try to cobble together my own scripts, I found out about JavaScript compilers, which I thought were very cool.
Syntax checking and optimization: what else could a programmer want? Oh yeah: runtime speed. Oh well.
 
7:56 AM
A minor detail. :)
 
8:12 AM
@CodyGray I wonder if Binary AST might be closer to what you’d initially expected WebAssembly to be. github.com/tc39/proposal-binary-ast is the actual proposal, and github.com/tc39/proposal-binary-ast is a good writeup about it. Essentially the use case is compiling existing JavaScript into a binary representation — including with full access to DOM APIs. (In contrast to WebAssembly being for compiling existing C++ or whatever code into JavaScript, and no access to DOM APIs.)
 
@sideshowbarker Those two links are the same.
That isn't quite what I was thinking of, either, although it looks interesting.
I would prefer something that gets away from JavaScript, honestly.
 
ah blog.cloudflare.com/binary-ast was the other link intended
ah, getting away from JavaScript yeah
well maybe you like Dart ;)
I think Flutter is extremely great. I hope Flutter and related parts displace the Android stack someday
 
Hmm, maybe. Dart looks interesting.
Still won't solve the colossal disaster that is browsers, DOM, CSS, etc. :-(
 
yup
were are pretty much stuck with web platform primitives in all their ugliness
IMHO replacing them amounts to replacing the Web
 
The C code I write for bare-metal platforms is more portable than what goes on the web. I've changed the entire microcontroller and got away with a simple recompile. Try that going from Chrome to Firefox!
 
8:19 AM
heh
 
Why are some people not honest when they ask a Question?!? Not that it's the same, but it's the same as not being honest with one's medical doctor..
 
yeah, that’s the fundamental problem — getting stuff to work cross-browser
anyway the core group of people who created Flutter all are people who working very closely for many years on core web work
Ian Hickson wrote the Flutter specs and implemented large parts of it
 
Hmm, I don't even know what Flutter is.
But, like Dart, it has a beautiful logo, so I guess it has to be good.
 
Google stuff always gets the cool logos
 
9:01 AM
Am I correct in assuming that there's nothing I can do in review other than comment on a java response to a python question?
 
9:20 AM
@sideshowbarker shameless anecdata collection: what is it that you like about Flutter relative to the native Android stack?
(I'm also in the Ministry if this goes off on a long tangent)
 
@Scratte yeah, well, that is a train wreck ... code only answers ... no future visitor will learn from that
 
9:36 AM
@rene Thanks. I skipped it though, since I've learned from a previous review ban that clicking anything else is risky. Next time, I will just comment (& vote) and be done :)
 
I was just reading this Meta question in regard to this SO question. Meta suggests the question is not off-topic, but the latest answer of "Here's the link" is an answer, but also likely to get flagged as NAA. Leave it? Do something? If so, what?
 
@DavidBuck According to the meta post, it seem like it should be kept. It doesn't seem to be attracting opinons on the official location.
I just got in First Posts. I will be directing any appeal on a possible review ban to your message here :D
 
10:16 AM
@ArdentCoder Aghhh, the pings... You know if you reply to a message directly only that person gets pinged instead of people with that name :p
 
10:26 AM
@Scratte I see you're on top of the fact that, as I predicted, it's been downvoted and flagged as NAA.
 
@DavidBuck Yes, I am. I knew it would be flagged in Late Answers :) So I'm keeping tabs on it.
 
@Scratte Did you delete your comment?
 
@DavidBuck Yes. It didn't make sense, since the other was deleted too.
Do you think I should make one to ensure the posterity of the post? :)
 
10:47 AM
@Scratte I'll leave that up to you :)
 
11:08 AM
@DavidBuck There's nothing wrong with that question. The answer you're talking about is itself an answer to the question. The link is the answer. It's not that the answer is found only by accessing the link.
@Scratte If you're willing to play the moderator lottery, you can flag... Otherwise, just hope the right moderator sees the complaint in SOCVR...
I feel strongly that Java answers to Python questions are NAA, but not all moderators look at tags or other context when handling these flags, so there's no guarantee that your flag will be sustained.
 
@CodyGray I do not like lotteries where there's a risk :) I did not expect any cherished moderator to notice my message though. I figured it would eventually go due to self-removal and/or delete-votes.
 
It's not a lottery if there's no risk.
 
Raising a flag is a lottery then :) Wait.. not not?
 
You run the risk of getting scorned by the AI
 
@JohnDvorak As in a flag-ban?
 
11:19 AM
That, too
 
There's no AI for flags. There's not even I. Just a bunch of diamonds.
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So.. there's only Artificial? taking the I out of AI?.. I think I need schnapps to understand what this conversation is about.
 
@CodyGray so can we call you MD, for "manual diamond"?
 
11:33 AM
Can anybody here make sense of this answer. Is it a "Me too?"
... I'm normally quite good at understanding non-native English, but that one's beaten me.
 
@AdrianMole It's definitely reportable as LQ
 
Not sure. It's nearly gibberish but not quite. Gibberishish?
 
What would make it more gibberish? Not using an English dictionary as an input to the Markov chain?
 
I think it's an answer. To me it reads: I had the same issue. I resolved it using a file, that works like a script. Adding send or create inside it. That worked / Now I can use the library.
 
^ I bow to the expertise (in gibberish) here present.
 
11:42 AM
Hehe.. Thanks :)
 
The "I know how to interpret gibberish" link is shortened to "edit".
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I don't think it's a good idea for someone that doesn't know C#, android, ios... to edit posts with those tags. Personally, I'd feel responsible for the correctness of the post.
 
@Scratte Better to just delete them?
 
@CodyGray I didn't delete anything.
 
Somebody had to.
 
11:56 AM
@CodyGray So, would that have been a justifiable use of a VLQ flag, in your opinion?
^ hehe I read that as somebody wearing green braces with red trousers.
 
@AdrianMole Who wears green braces? Do you want to look like you just ate spinach?
 
OK, red braces with green trousers. Happy now?
 
@Scratte I edit posts in any tag. One has to be careful in tags that one does not understand, but most edits are not related to technical material - they are just trimming waffle and applying (better) formatting.
 
1:06 PM
@halfer I used to edit for purposes of understanding, code formatting and including clarifications from comments. In this particular case I don't even know if the proposal solved the issue. Which I would have to do myself to be sure worked before making any attempts of editing.
 
1:29 PM
@halfer That one is a good example. I would have removed all that empty space in front of all the lines. But it's tedious, so I think not a lot of people would do that. Now I can only see the code when I remove the right sidebar.
 
@CodyGray That was (I think) my point. In that case, I agree that the answer was the link itself, but it's exactly the sort of answer that will (and indeed appears to have been until @Scratte intervened) flaggged as NAA and may well be deleted if no-one picks up on it.
 
I've probably asked this before, but courses of action are possible (and meaningful) when a highly upvoted answer is clearly and provably incorrect? stackoverflow.com/a/37500756/2943403
 
1:52 PM
@mickmackusa No idea. Sometimes I just can't comprehend people's voting patterns. e.g. This answer should never be upvoted, because it clearly is incorrect. stackoverflow.com/a/61597957/1839439 All we can really do is downvote and hope that other people will realize how wrong such answers are.
 
It's PHP. People don't code in PHP to make secure websites.
 
The question you linked should be closed as unclear when it was asked. The expected data can never be achieved. If you think the question has value with your answer there, then keep it and simply downvote wrong answers. I have done similar thing multiple times. Over time hopefully someone will read your answer and upvote making it bubble up to the top.
@JohnDvorak They do. It's easy to make a good website in PHP. And the question here has nothing with security.
One thing that helps your answer bubble up is to keep it simple and clear. People want one-liners not one-pagers.
I wish we could apply negative bounties.
 
As in, get reputation for dumping a bunch of downvotes on an unsuspecting answer?
 
No, as in it costs me reputation, but I can apply 5 or 10 downvotes at once.
 
2:08 PM
@Dharman @mickmackusa When I think about it, I find it bizarre indeed that a site such as Stack Overflow, the "Repository of Information," and all that, has no well-established review process for quick removal of blatantly incorrect answers. There should be something available to a given quorum of a tag's Gold Badge Holders to remove such answers.
 
I think that's what the up/down voting options are for. Forcing 5 downvotes or 5 upvotes would probably create a hierarchy of worthy versus non-worthy users. And it doesn't address that some "worthy" ones could still give 5 upvotes to a wrong answer.
 
@Scratte The problem is that there are folks who upvote answers for all the wrong reasons (nice username, their pal from across the street, whatever). In theory, the upvoting system would work but, as pointed out in numerous cases over time, it clearly is far from perfect.
 
I did think that perhaps I should change my username to Fluffy'n'Cuddly
 
That would work in the PHP tag, I'm sure.
... in the C++ tag, I think Old'n'Grumpy would be better. :)
 
I've seen come really good answers in the bottom as well. I've been told that they bubble up over time, but I don't think I will live long enough to see that.
 
2:20 PM
There is also the fact that the system is stacked towards upvoting. Upvotes are free, while downvotes have a cost. True, it's pretty much negligable at some point but if you only have, say 115 rep, then you only have 15 downvotes. It's hardto motivate yourself to downvote at that point. Furthermore, you get upvote privilege before downvote privilege.
 
@AdrianMole lol! I'll put it on my list of options :)
 
@VLAZ Downvote privilege is at 125.
 
@VLAZ Also.. at 125, you only have one downvote ;)
 
Yeah, even worse then. If you have 140 rep you only have 15 downvotes total
 
People really should downvote more, but the random viewers that come around they only care that the answer helped them and they don't bother checking the rest to see if they should be downvoted.
 
2:24 PM
@Dharman Or perhaps people should vote when they're sure. I have more than a few votes, that I've regretted.
 
@Scratte You can always edit and retract
 
@Dharman Last time I edited it took 5 days to go through the queue. And once one does that, it's not very anonymous anymore.
 
The edit queue has been very big of late. I've been doing 40 reviews/day for as long as I can remember, as have many other folks (15 listed today, so far). And I've noticed Sam has been doing lots on some days (I've seen 80 or 90 for him, on occasion). Not sure if it's connected to the number of recent review bans, or the global lockdown, or something completely unrelated, but many queues are bigger than normal, just now.
 
3:03 PM
..I've just seen a high-rep answer to an unanswerable question. I think I need time off.
 
3:30 PM
@Scratte Answering the unanswerable? Is that like the classic, "Are you still beating your wife?"
 
@AdrianMole Question says: I get an error when I try to change this code. Code presented is apparently before the change. Answer: You'll get this type of error in this example. Example is not really related to code in Question.
 
Then that may warrant an NAA flag?
 
@AdrianMole I don't think so :) It's accepted, so I think the pair will live happy on the network until the end of time.
 
Link!
 
You don't think we should just see what happens to the Question during the next few days in the queue?
 
3:41 PM
6-8 weeks, more like.
 
No, posts leave the queue when the flag/vote ages away. I think it will say "invalidated" on the timeline.
 
 
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6:22 PM
Manned Space-X Crew Dragon Demo-2 launches in 1 hour at 19:22 UTC (3:22 p.m. EDT): info; live stream. This is the first Space-X launch actually carrying people.
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gulp
 
is it def go this time?
 
It's never a definite go until it's off the pad. :) There were potential weather issues the last time it was mentioned.
 
Schroedinstorm.
> We are currently go on the weather
 
6:37 PM
@halfer Why edit this answer? It used to explicitly state that it wasn't an answer as the very first thing. That made it trivial for people to understand that it isn't an answer. Now reviewers have to actually read it. That's more work for people. Leaving it explicitly saying that it wasn't an answer would have made it more likely that people will flag it NAA/delete-vote/give a delete/recommend delete response in review.
 
I'm inclined to remove my flag on it to be honest. I don't any more declined flags.
 
@Makyen I don't feel strongly about it, but I felt that an edit to remove the cursing was a helpful demonstration of professionalism
I can roll it back if you like, or you are welcome to
Of late, I have wondered whether the battle about whether "Stack Overflow is a chatroom" seems to have been lost, since the numbers of folks who are using it in that fashion is growing consistently.
 
@halfer You mean in chat or in answers?
 
@Scratte Questions and answers on the main site. Chat is OK - that really is a chatroom ;-)
 
@halfer I don't have a problem with removing the cursing, but given that it wasn't actually R/A and is NAA I didn't feel that it was imperative to do so. If it wasn't headed towards deletion, then removing the cursing would definitely be the right thing to do. In this case, I felt having the cursing made it more likely people would vote to delete. :;
 
6:45 PM
@Makyen I understand and appreciate your perspective. How would you like to proceed?
 
@halfer I do see a lot of clutter on the main site. It seems distracting and irrelevant on posts. But I agree with Makyen. Clutter in this case was sort of useful :)
 
@halfer I'm thinking about it. I was hoping to see another delete-vote, so we wouldn't have do anything about it. :) I'd probably roll it back, and then just apply the changes which are only removing the cursing.
 
@Makyen Done and deleted :-)
 
yes, deleted
 
All good. Thanks, everyone involved.
 
6:57 PM
Are questions with code dumps that ask "what is the time complexity of this?" on-topic? Example: What is the time complexity of the filter function?
 
@Georgy: my take is that it goes on a case-by-case basis depending on quality and utility
This one doesn't look too good to me as it does not appear to have much general utility. Also, there is little evidence of the OP's own effort to solve the issue (reason for a down-vote, not a close-vote)
 
 
8:15 PM
@Georgy Usually I go with "needs more focus" on questions where the OP doesn't show any research effort like that.
 
8:37 PM
@Dharman looks like a (distinctly mediocre) answer to me, not a framework I'm familiar with, but it seems they're saying that Identifier isn't a valid type to use there, and suggesting that they use String instead (which I assume is)
 
^ same. It doesn't seem like NAA. Not sure if it works though
heh.. though they specifically ask for a solution that "take custom classes as ID and not just primitive data type such as String, long, int as id"
 
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9:37 PM
Chrome tried to automatically translate this question into Latin for me. What's even weirder is that I think it read better in "Latin."
 
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Or maybe that was the "English" version and the other was Latin. I can't tell anymore; I think Google is playing tricks on me.
 
@Chipster Just this Question or did your Chrome pick up something.. unwanted, perhaps.
 
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@Scratte Just this question. At least as far as I can tell.
 
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@Scratte Well, good to know I'm not completely crazy.
 
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9:49 PM
@Makyen Would you consider this spam or just NAA? I didn't see any link in the answer.
 
@Chipster I'm not seeing how that wouldn't be considered spam/promotional. Having a link is not a requirement for something to be spam. Just a phone number and/or an email address is common. It's even possible for there just to be a product name and no contact info.
 
10:12 PM
 
11:04 PM
@ArdentCoder Evening! When specifying close requests, could you add what close reason you'd like readers to consider? It's not all that necessary for delete requests, but for closes we want to make sure an official reason is being recommended.
If no official reason fits, then "Custom (custom reason here)" is fine.
 
Btw it's morning here, and nice to meet you after a long time :D How is the above message? I thought "off-topic" was enough, but now I've added more details
 
@ArdentCoder I think the room rules generally prefer a reason (the browser plugin generates one for you, but I do it manually). We use "Needs Focus", "Needs Details/Clarity", "POB (Primarily Opinion Based)", "Offsite/External Resources", etc. Basically we try to mirror the language in the off-topic dialogue box. The reason names changed recently, which is why some of us use old wording: "Too Broad", "Unclear", etc.
 
@halfer Thanks for the info :)
 
11:21 PM
@ArdentCoder No problem, that's much better
 

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