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12:16 AM
@KenWhite Maybe I'm not understanding correctly, but isn't this about programming within an Excel sheet? Or are functions used within spreadsheets explicitly off-topic for SO?
 
12:34 AM
@RyanM The question specifically says no macros, and it's not about developing a formula of any kind. It's a question about Excel in general, which means it's not programming related. Macros (VBA) would be on-topic, and we've always allowed questoins about Excel formulas, but general use questions seem more suitable for SU.
 
@RyanM As @KenWhite said, things within Excel which are programming are on-topic. This specific question could be phrased in a way in which it is considered programming, and the overall problem the user is trying to solve probably requires a programming solution. However, there's not enough information provided in the question for us to really address that, beyond the "is Excel capable" part of what the OP is asking (which is really an XY question).
 
IMHO it's borderline since WEBSERVICE is in fact a function for use in formulas, and it seems to me that this is similar to "Can [HTTP library] make hundreds of webservice calls if all queued at once?" But I see the argument to the contrary.
(no MCVE is potentially a valid close reason since "well, yes" seems like the most likely response)
 
12:55 AM
@RyanM I agree that reason is better. It's what I used. I'd also consider "unclear" to be reasonable. The question, as written, is strictly asking about the capabilities of the Excel function WEBSERVICE. I'd equate this to asking about very basic use of curl on the command line, which I wouldn't consider programming. In addition, the user explicitly precludes providing programming based answers. So, I'd even agree that what the OP has actually asked isn't programming.
The question comes down to "Does Excel do what it says it does, regardless of how I use it", which really isn't a programming question.
 
1:13 AM
@Makyen [unrelated to the cv-pls] I wondered if you might've done legal-adjacent work based on our conversation about the DMCA the other day...especially when your reaction to me disputing something you said was to go re-read the statute :-) Most people would have just looked for articles.
 
1:25 AM
@ArdentCoder we are not moderating users here!
 
@ArdentCoder We'd really prefer to keep conversations about users out of this room. Something like what you've seen there is more appropriate for flagging. It's also something that would be more appropriate to discuss in Charcoal HQ.
 
I actually meant spam, instead of bringing all their posts into this room I just gave you the user id.
 
@ArdentCoder here you have a point, but you could just flag it for a mod, explaining what you found
 
@Vickel I have already flagged it as spam. The FAQ says that tag:spam is allowed, so I brought more attention to it :)
 
@ArdentCoder I understand that. What you're trying to do is good. The way that you're going about it is something we'd like to avoid. SOCVR tries to stay a considerable distance away from moderating users, even to the point of not having reports of users spamming (reporting an occasional post that has spam content is fine).
If the issue is multiple spam or rude/abusive posts from a user, then that is something that we request either be handled with flags, or be taken to Charcoal HQ, which focuses on detecting and eliminating spam and rude/abusive content on all SE sites. Doing so inherently requires considering users making multiple posts.
 
1:33 AM
@ArdentCoder you could flag as spam
 
@Vickel No, if there are multiple posts by the same user, we'd prefer that not to happen in here.
 
@Makyen OK, that falls back to mod-flag then, right?
 
Yeah, that's why I kept it short in a single message. I didn't know that it would cause these issues of trashing a user, I'm sorry @Makyen I understand :)
 
@Vickel Just mod flag, or take it to Charcoal HQ, which specifically deals with such posts/users and which can get more red-flags on a post, if that's what's needed.
 
@Makyen OK, I thought if enough posts are flagged as spam, then accounts get nuked/suspended automatically, no mods needed...
which could conflict with "we are not moderating users here!"
 
1:39 AM
@Vickel No worries, I've already taken it to that other room. Chill ;)
 
@ArdentCoder Thank you. Unfortunately, there's a long history of friction on Meta SO over significant portions of organized user-level moderation. The rules we have are, to a large extent, are intended to avoid spending large amounts of time in yet more Meta discussions.
 
@Makyen Haha, that's a nice reason
 
@Vickel No. To have the user account affected, a moderator has to be involved. Red-flags will just delete and lock the post. They will also feed the post and IP into SpamRam, which may result in the IP being blocked.
 
@Makyen OK, didn't know, thanks
 
@ArdentCoder We really do want to "do the Right Thing™", but we also choose to go beyond that in order to avoid the perception of not doing so.
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1:43 AM
@Makyen Lol, this one should go into my Notepad
@Makyen I read it a few more times and I'm truly impressed by that quote! I'm going to put that as "about me" in my social media, you are a genius!
 
@ArdentCoder Thanks. :;
 
@Makyen Will there be any problem if I append that quote with "- Makyen"?
 
2:04 AM
@ArdentCoder That's going to depend on context.
 
@Makyen Lol no problem, I just wanted to give you the credit
 
@Makyen My earlier spam flags proved useful ^^ Thanks for the directions :)
 
np.
 
@Makyen But I also feel bad for that user cuz they were offering solutions to those questions, I don't know.
 
2:17 AM
@ArdentCoder All but a few of the posts were tangential to the questions which were asked. There were a couple which did provide a solution that fit for the question, but most of them really were just promoting the site/service. In addition, SO/SE has a concept of over-promotion, for which these certainly qualified.
If the user wants to provide a couple/few answers which truly answer the question asked, but happen to use the service, that's something that SO permits, as long as the user discloses any affiliation, and the user makes other contributions which are not about that site/service.
 
Ah, thinking in that way calms me about that issue :D
 
2:30 AM
reject the edit and flag the post as spam? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26251081
 
I'd approve the edit, IIRC a mod commented on editing out rule violations a few days ago...
 
@ArdentCoder In this case, no. I rolled it back to before the point they added the link, and commented warning them. The answer can stand so the link can be removed
I did add it to Smokey, tho. If they post that URL again, we'll know
 
@Machavity Good action
 
Given the other (deleted) spam answer on the question for the same company/site, I would have custom mod-flagged or flagged it as spam.
 
2:39 AM
The editor should also be given a notice of not to edit spam but to flag instead
 
@Makyen Ah, I missed that one
Not sure why I didn't watch it then
 
@Machavity Wym by "add to Smokey"?
 
Added it to the watch list in Charcoal. If that link shows up again, Smoke Detector alerts us
 
@Machavity Is he your servant?
 
Not even close. charcoal-se.org
 
2:42 AM
@Machavity Who knows. We all miss them from time to time. It's one of the reasons that the requirement for more than one feedback helps, but it still ends up that some slip through the cracks. :(
 
@Machavity Lol! No wonder why he never replied to me
 
3:00 AM
I mean I don't not want a commercial ice cream freezer to...help sustain me while I program...clearly programming-related
 
@SmokeDetector If you're really a bot then how did you identify spam?
 
@ArdentCoder if you're curious you can click the MS link to see what it thought was spammy.
 
@RyanM Lol first let me learn to program like masters on this site
 
3:13 AM
Why would people do such things on a programming site
 
It's a site with high search rankings. Also people will spam stuff anywhere with an input form.
 
I've really been looking for a solution for my Malaysian HVAC issues. I'm so glad I stumbled on that post.
 
@IanCampbell Yeah it's been too warm in my apartment ever since I ordered a commercial ice cream freezer from that last spammer
 
If you live in a village then there's no need for an AC, many things can be done by natural resources here
 
3:19 AM
@RyanM You should have had them run lines to put the compressor outside, so you don't have to use the AC to move the heat removed from inside the freezer from in the room to the outside. It's much more efficient if you do it in one stage. :)
 
Now if only I could put my PC outside...really the source of quite a lot of the heat here.
 
@RyanM Well, you can have liquid cooling, which you could then route outside...
 
 
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5:14 AM
It's not featured and I haven't seen a lot of comments from most of the regulars here, so ICYMI, they're asking for feedback on MSE if you feel you have anything to say.
 
6:05 AM
Assuming that a close vote request is made in this room, but it doesn't get any voting attention. Could one then answer the question, since it's unlikely to ever be closed?
 
user10957435
@Scratte Did you make the request for closure, or did someone else?
 
@Chipster Good question. Is there a difference?
I mean if the question is never closed, then it will remain open forever, right? :)
 
@Scratte If a request to close is made but nobody ever heeds it, then does it make a sound?
 
user10957435
If you did create the request then the proper thing to do (according to the FAQ) is ping an active RO and have your request removed first before getting "involved" (See rules 14 and 15).
 
user10957435
Otherwise, if the question is answerable, there is nothing preventing you from answering it.
 
6:12 AM
@Chipster Yes, but as long as the request is active, then one cannot know that it never got any voting attention. So I'm assuming that the request has "aged away" in the room, meaning it's been moved out already (I think they go to the graveyard after 3 days or so)
@Chipster If it was perfectly answerable, it would probably not have been requested in the room. But lots of questions are answered under "assumptions". Like "assuming that when you wrote blah, you meant blahblib, then.."
 
user10957435
@Scratte You'd have to take that up with an RO. I'm not sure about the policy on this concerning aged away requests. I might take another look at the FAQ real quick, though for you.
 
user10957435
@Scratte Answering under assumptions could be potentially disastrous. If your assumption is wrong, then your answer becomes a bad answer.
 
@Chipster I would personally cover all options in this case :)
@Chipster I'll re-read the faq. It's been at least a week since the last time anyway.
 
user10957435
But overall I agree. Most answerable questions won't make it into this room. But some people might have differing opinions on whether the question is answerable or not. There's always the chance that what once person considered a bad question might look like a good question to someone else.
 
if it was your request then you could search for it to confirm if it's still in here or has already been removed
Note that you may have to click the link button to see if it's actually still in here, because the SO search function is kinda busted
 
6:20 AM
@RyanM Yes. I usually just use the id of the question itself, but this is a good search, that also points out how bad it is to not conform to the normal way of making requests.
 
user10957435
@Scratte So far I didn't see any provisions for aged away requests.
 
@Scratte that's also based on the search that the unclosed request review script uses, so it's doubly important because otherwise people are less likely to find it if the room's been chatty
 
I think it would like a moderator to nuke this message completely. I believe it's messing up things for the userscript too.
But how do I go about asking for that?
 
I've seen that message about a zillion times, it is in fact messing things up for the userscript (I'm not sure why the script doesn't see it's closed)
 
I have a feeling that raising a custom flag on one of my own posts to ask for a message in chat to be removed.. is not going to go well :D
@Chipster I don't recall this corner case to be covered either. I'll ask a room owner once one awakens :)
@RyanM I think it's because only one of the questions is closed.
 
6:30 AM
@Scratte oh yep that's 100% it
 
..maybe moving the request to socvr-dev-null would do it though.
 
or moving it and then moving it back? IDK. It's a known issue with chat search. I'm not sure what makes particular messages cursed.
 
@RyanM I'm assuming that the script only looks for messages in specific rooms and especially does not look for them in /null.
 
@Scratte yeah, it runs...more or less the exact search I linked, minus the "said by Scratte" bit.
 
@RyanM Oh.. so nuking it is the only option
 
6:39 AM
I mean I don't know if there's a workaround, like if moving them and moving them back would do it (or if anyone's ever tried it)
If that does work, it'd probably be relatively straightforward to script it
or SE could just fix the bug, but maybe that's too much to ask
 
@RyanM A moderator nuking it is probably 6-8 hours. An SE fix is probably 6-8 years ;)
 
@Scratte How is it messing things up? Maybe I'm not seeing something obvious.
 
6:55 AM
@Makyen It seems RyanM is still seeing that message as a request.
It's also no longer in this room, but the chat search will show it awyway
I don't understand how my fingers can typo a "n" to a "w" :( <-- fixed the I in the grace period :)
 
@Scratte or add a whole "I "
 
@Scratte Yeah, that's a known chat bug. The URRS can be set to do any of: nothing; filter them out; or clearly identify them (highlight), so you can ignore them, but still see them (because they won't show for a search in the room they are actually in). Assuming that the search for which the link was provided above is being used, then the URRS should also be filtering it out as "complete".
 
@RyanM The I came about because I changed my mind on the structure of the sentence :)
 
@Scratte OTOH, if you were using this search or this search, then I'd expect you to see it, unless you've set the URRS to not show the messages in search results which are affected by the wrong-room error.
 
@Makyen it shows up (I assume) because there are two question links in the message, and the intended dupe target isn't closed
 
7:08 AM
@RyanM Are you running the URRS? If so, which version?
 
can confirm that changing that option in the settings makes it not show up (TIL about that)
@Makyen yes, 2.1.0
 
@RyanM So now "I" will no longer be nagging you with a month old request anymore?
 
and showing them with a mark is in fact the default option
 
@RyanM Hmmm... I thought I'd merged the change which fixed that, but it looks like I haven't done so, yet. Sorry about that.
 
@Scratte indeed!
 
7:19 AM
@RyanM Yes, showing them highlighted is the default option, because just hiding them will make it such that you can't find them via search (unless searching without restricting to a single room). Unfortunately, the messages affected by that bug don't show up when searching in the room in which they are actually located. Thus, you can only find them from a search in the wrong room, or with no room criteria.
 
7:38 AM
@Makyen Since you are a room owner and very informed about any rules. What is the policy of answering a question that was requested here, but "aged away" (moved out of the room) with no close votes? Meaning the request is no longer active. A. If one didn't make the request oneself? B. If one did make the request?
 
@Scratte Do you feel that it should be answered, or that it should be closed?
 
@Makyen My general opinion is that any question should be very clear. Confusing questions should be closed. However, some can still be answered. So in the case that a question (I can answer although it's somewhat confusing) doesn't get any close votes, I'm bordering on answering it. Though I would prefer that it's closed.
But I was more interested in the general rule, that one should not answer a question that one is involved in. So I guess I'm asking if the rule of involvement ends when the request ends?
 
@Scratte Once a request has been moved out of the room (normally to the Graveyard or /dev/null), then it's no longer considered active. Once that's the case, we don't have any specific rules to prevent the person who made a request, or anyone else, from answering the question. There is a general feeling that if you believe the question should be closed, then you shouldn't answer. However, other than while a cv-pls request which you've made is active, we don't have a rule against doing both.
@Scratte You should not answer a question for which you have made a cv-pls request which is currently in the room (i.e. the request has been posted in the room and has not yet been moved out, unless you've already pinged an active RO asking for it to be removed).
 
@Makyen This rule I am aware of. And it would also be very silly to do that :) Since the preference in this case is to close it (assuming it's a cv-pls and not a reopen-pls)
 
@DavidBuck Is this revised question unclear: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/26252547?
 
8:22 AM
@karel I don't know. There was definitely not enough information before they added 400 lines of code to the question, but I don't know if that's enough to get an answer.
 
 
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10:02 AM
Oops..
 
10:33 AM
@halfer Your anti-troll methods are intriguing. :)
 
10:48 AM
 
@E_net4theRustacean I like to ponder about stuff anyway, so it's no extra cost to me :=)
 
How are people able to @ multiple users in a comment? Whenever I try it, I get a popup that says "you cannot do it", however I see comments like this that @ mention multiple users.
 
@VLAZ maybe they fiddled with the javascript?
 
That's also what I thought but it happens often enough I think there is some loophole I don't know about.
 
might be an client-side only check
 
11:00 AM
Maybe when commenting from mobile?
 
good guess
@VLAZ found it Comments containing more than one @name are blocked unless they contain a backtick see meta.stackexchange.com/a/43020/158100
that comment you linked to had a backtick in it
That doesn't mean it notifies all those users ....
 
11:15 AM
@rene good catch. Thanks for the information. Funnily, I had that problem once where I should have used backticks - I was replying to somebody in comments and also mentioning something that had an @ as part of the name and was told that I cannot notify multiple people...
 
12:14 PM
Morning
 
 
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1:23 PM
 
2:11 PM
 
2:24 PM
I'm deleting chat messages containing one-boxed Youtube videos ...on the internal company chat ... I've not yet linked to the SOCVR FAQ. I guess that is next.
 
3:08 PM
I wondered if there's a way to play a youtube video in reverse. Perhaps that should be the default when one-boxing them :)
 
@Scratte lol. Could be an April 1st joke ...
 
I'm looking at the "access" tab on a chat room. And I noticed this line "Even when this room is private, these users will be able to read the conversations in this room.". I didn't know chat rooms could be private. Is that something that's unlocked with reputation?
 
@Scratte no, only mods can do that
 
@double-beep Oh. Thanks. Does that also apply for unlocking frozen rooms?
 
yes
 
3:23 PM
There is also gallery mode in which that setting applies to as well. Gallery mode lets you make a "private" room where only people with access can chat.
 
I noticed that the room meeting a while ago was frozen and unfrozen. I was very puzzled by that.
 
this FAQ answer is helpful
 
Rooms freeze automatically after 60 days with no activity
 
@NathanOliver Yes, but that's not really very private. I mean I wouldn't want to give my email or my recipe for squash-cake in such a gallery room :)
@NathanOliver Perhaps that has changed. The faq says 14 days :)
 
fine, keep your squash cake. I didn't want any anyways ;)
@Scratte It could be 14 days and it is me that is remembering wrong. It happens often enough
 
3:27 PM
@NathanOliver Fair enough. It was just 2 weeks instead of months :)
@double-beep Thanks. I'm reading it :)
So.. when there's a conversation going on in the "backroom", it isn't a regular created room, I suppose? (please excuse my curiosities and ignore it, if it's invading)
 
@Scratte Are you asking but when the RO's are talking in the 'backroom"?
 
@NathanOliver Yes. I noticed it, so being curious, I wondered what kind of room that is.
 
We have a off site chatroom that we use for RO communication. This is the only way us mere mortals can have a private chat room.
 
Oh!. Well, that makes so much more sense now :) Thanks :)
 
4:09 PM
@KenWhite reads like: something changed, something broke, we corrected it, now it works.
 
@rene Agreed. I'm not sure it even belongs here, but it certainly doesn't in its current form.
 
When I'm a grown-up I want to become an ERP Consultant.
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And here I thought you wanted to be a tree when you grew up. TIL
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@rene I am grown up. I am an ERP consultant. I do not recommend it.
 
4:24 PM
:D
@NathanOliver 14 it is.
 
4:36 PM
@Machavity Small humans (kids) are humans all their lives, just like the Stewartia pseudocamellia tree :)
 
@Dharman Same here, well actually I support an ERP system but its close enough
 
5:43 PM
spam? OP has posted 3 similar posts in <20 mins and looks like they're affiliated based on their profile picture, etc.
 
@double-beep yes
 
@double-beep +1, sure looks like it
 
@double-beep The 'answer' costs 150 EUR...
 
 
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7:17 PM
@gnat I don't understand how this was deleted. Didn't it have an accepted answer?
Does it just need 3 voters? Or more when there's an answer?
 
7:36 PM
@Scratte The answer you are pointing to was deleted by a mod. It would not roomba because of accepted answer.
 
@Dharman Sorry, I thought the Answer went with the Question, that was deleted with votes. It seemed liked both posts vanished at the same time :)
 
@Scratte question closed at score < -3 (at the time I asked it was -6) allows for immediate deletion by votes of three users with 20+ K reputation (hence 20k+ tag in my request). And no, it had accepted answer which is why I made del-pls here (otherwise it would be expected to be auto-deleted in 9 days)
 
@gnat Ok. Thanks :) I had no idea that it worked for Questions with answers :)
 
@Machavity Can you remove the previous del-pls 20k+?
 
@Dharman oh joy
 
Can I flag for ? stackoverflow.com/questions/62054388/… has been closed and is now in the reopen queue and already has one reopen vote because OP has added the missing info. Meanwhile, OP has posted it again here and it has an accepted answer.
 
@Dharman Did I get the wrong one? Didn't realize there were two
 
8:05 PM
No, you removed the correct one. I wanted to point to the actual answer OP wants removed.
@DavidBuck You can ask for review-pls with such an explanation.
 
@DavidBuck Easy to fix. Reopen ourselves (the closure reason isn't valid anymore) and I can hammer it
 
I got revenge downvotes today, and I was just wondering yesterday how is it possible I didn't get any in a long time.
 
@DavidBuck Incidentally, the timeline shows it was already kicked out of the reopen queue
 
@Machavity That's odd as it was definitely showing reopen (1) when I flagged it here. Thanks for sorting it.
 
@DavidBuck Note the reopen review was 3 close, 1 reopen
 
8:13 PM
@DavidBuck Reopen votes can happen outside the queue too. Even if they come from within the review and the consensus is leave closed the reopen vote stays
 
Ron
This strikes me as a wrong duplicate. What do you think?
 
@Ron Why?
 
Ron
@Dharman The dupe relates to Delphi, the question is not related to Delphi.
 
Is there a similar one, but for C++. If yes, then why do we have two?
I have no knowledge of Delphi or Windows API, but after reading the duplicate for 30s I got my answer. I think it is a perfect duplicate and the new post will be a good flagpost.
 
Ron
Fair enough.
Thanks.
 
9:01 PM
@Ron @Dharman I've added a C++ Q to the dupe list as well
 
@NathanOliver Now there's no automatic redirect. I think the Delphi duplicate is even better.
 
I've never really concerned myself with the auto redirect
 
Ron
9:14 PM
@NathanOliver Awesome. Thanks.
 
10:16 PM
Not even technically so?
I believe you're supposed to register the domain before you turn it into a URI?
 
@JohnDvorak When it says website I understand that there is link or WWW URL I can go to to see a website.
 
Also, technically, that was a package name, not a URI.
 
Maybe it is a valid URI, but not a website. See quuz.org/url/uri-validate.html
 
 
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Please tell me that something can be done about a (clearly marked) javascript question getting wickedly bloated with answers from a plethora of other languages. DisgruntledGoat is trying to tell me that this was accepted behavior long ago -- okay, I wasn't around back then. But think about the researcher experience! Js researchers come to a page looking for js answers and have to sift through heaps of useless answers. This is no good. stackoverflow.com/q/2270910/2943403
Dare I mark them all as NAA?
 
My thoughts in no particular order
 
These answerers will be gaining tag points for a language where they didn't post a solution for said language.
 
First, the question is a "how to" question, so it doesn't need closure
Second, the top answer is JS
 
I am not looking to close the question.
 
11:34 PM
Third, web programming has a lot of overlap. PHP is decently related to JS
 
I want to know how to kick out all of the off-language answers that are not answering the question asked.
If the off-language is close enough to the desired language, then the answerers should perform the translation for the benefit of the OP and future researchers.
 
I would say we need Meta to weigh in. I'm not fond of it, but they're not NAA either
 
I don't have time to Meta (and get dupe-closed and downvoted to oblivion) right now. Gotta get back to work.
 
The question asks for JS, but that doesn't necessarily exclude other answers
And Meta has an answer (former mod)
 
Imagine how massively bloated and useless SO would be if everyone posted an answer from N number of languages to every question that was clearly tagged! SO would be like that swirl of garbage in the middle of the Pacific.
 
11:41 PM
@Ron As a WinAPI expert, I can tell you that's about the most frequently asked question ever. The answer is exactly the same, regardless of language, since it's a property of the Windows API itself. In general, you're right that you shouldn't close questions as dupes of questions in other languages. The exception is when you're a topic expert and you know better. Those dupe targets are correct.
Regarding the question @mickmackusa brought up... C# and VB.NET are in the same ecosystem. That isn't true of, say, JavaScript and Python. I'm happy to remove answers that are in a completely different language.
I'm going to leave the TypeScript under the same logic, that I think it's in the same ecosystem, and someone looking for a JavaScript solution might find a TypeScript solution equally, if not more, useful.
I'm... not sure about Cold Fusion. Anyone want to comment on that?
 
I would agree Python isn't close enough. But PHP can work with JS
 
@mickmackusa I would use a mod-flag, because NAA could be too isolated to be handled properly though review
 
Meh, can work is a bit too much of a stretch, I think. JS can work with C++, too.
 
@CodyGray ColdFusion is a web programming language like PHP
If it's a web programming language, it's feeding data to the client (which is running JS). So a PHP answer could be easily passed into JS
 
Even I can work with JS.
 
11:46 PM
Python does not readily do web programming. Nor does C++
 
Yeah, C++ programmers are too ornery for that web stuff. What about C?
Remember when everyone wrote CGI scripts? Those were mostly in C.
 
I wrote my first CGI in PERL. That was horrifying to make all those echo statements
 
Maybe the point is less "ecosystem" and more "compatible syntax".
 
There's still a C++ answer left there.
 
Let me come at it from a different angle. Most web pages are not processed and rendered by other languages. I often write PHP that passes its data to JS when it sends data to the client
 
11:49 PM
@Machavity How can PHP pass data to JS?
 
@Dharman Link?
Oh, nvm. Found it.
It looked obviously correct to me, so I didn't notice it.
(Confessions of the C++ developer.)
 
@Dharman At page render. Either echo a variable or have PHP output JSON
 
@Machavity So you don't really pass the data as much as you generate JavaScript.
 
Granted, in this case, they're not showing how to get it into JS, but I think it's just close enough to stay
 
Honestly, though, @Machavity, if you're doing web development and you need to convert a sequence of numbers into a range of numbers, wouldn't you look for a solution in the language you're currently using, not some other language that you might be able to interop with?
 
11:51 PM
Nobody says I pass data to HTML with PHP
 
HTML doesn't process data, though
@CodyGray Depends where my data is. If it's in a DB it might make more sense to draw the page and AJAX the data in from a second PHP call
 
(Side note: I really wish mods had the ability to selectively migrate answers. This question is about PHP, and this one is Python. I reopened the latter one, since it's not a duplicate.)
 
I get that it's thinking shortcut to say that you pass the data to another language, but the truth is that you generate valid JavaScript and send it off to browser so it can be parsed there.
 
@Machavity But you'd know that when you went looking for solutions! You wouldn't decide later, after finding a solution in a language that you should rearchitect your whole design to be able to use that language.
 
If you think it should go, I'm fine either way. Just playing devil's advocate
 
11:55 PM
No, I appreciate that.
When it's things outside of my subject-matter expertise, I don't even find it irritating!
But even if it's irritating at times, it's still valuable and appreciated.
I'm just worried about where it stops. If we start admitting PHP, we've really opened the floodgates.
 
If we are still talking about that JavaScript question, then let me say that PHP's arrays are not the same thing as JS arrays. Maybe the algorithms might be similar, but I do not think that we should treat everything named array the same.
 
Yeah, we're trying to decide whether to tar and feather that mod for abusing his powers and deleting a bunch of long-standing answers.
 
No, no. You did well. I completely agree that if the question was about an algorithm in JS then it should only have answers with solutions in that language.
 

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