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12:58 AM
Just to confirm: There's no way to do an OR operator in a StackOverflow search query, right? I'd have to use SEDE if I want to do that?
 
 
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2:24 AM
What close reason, if any, would apply to asking for the source code of a closed-source app? (in this case, it's not immediately obvious that it would be closed-source)
 
@RyanM I think off-site resource is fine.
That's what I just voted, anyway.
 
Went with that, especially given the general ask for examples
 
 
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6:12 AM
I didn't want my click go to waste ...
 
6:41 AM
:)
 
 
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8:27 AM
Given a mod deleted their last with a message to that effect, I flagged as spam
 
I gave it a spaam flag.
 
Hmm.. apparently so :) It did start out being not in English. I think I went to google to translate it and found that even if they did, it would still need to be closed. So I added a comment. Not sure why what was removed.
 
8:53 AM
@Scratte According to Google translate, the change was that it previously said "Java" but then when translated it says "PHP". Although it might be a translation issue, as the original text does say PHP. Seems like Turkish is just more verbose. Lukily, the "needs details or clarity" also covers the translation.
 
@VLAZ Yes. I didn't feel a need to add my previously deleted comment. I only put it there, so they would be able to fully edit their Question into being on-topic in one go. But my comment was removed long before they came back online. If I recall correctly I just added a link to what's on-topic.
 
9:55 AM
 
@double-beep I went for "needs debugging details"; closed now
 
10:59 AM
 
^ deleted
 
huh, that's new
 
11:13 AM
(at least) second question that is the same as another one I saw earlier today. Not sure if it was the same OP but it probably was. It asked the same thing and had the same link. I'm not totally sure if it's spam but seems it's just low effort and off-topic. Both are closed now. If anybody keeps tabs of OPs that fell prey to "You can ask a new question", this might be a good entry to add.
 
 
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12:56 PM
the second one was a duplicate answer auto flag, so my userscript handled it automatically
 
@SamuelLiew you are being too efficient!
 
Big question though, are the questions duplicates?
 
that's not for me to solve, onus is on answerer to flag as dupe if needed
 
I've not really done much batch programming but it doesn't seem like the two are duplicates. They just have similar titles. One is asking what happens if a script updates itself while running the other is just a script that updates something.
 
@SamuelLiew Wasn't targetting you specifically, apologies. Was a general question to the room, and to whomever knows batch programming
 
1:06 PM
dev survey results for anybody interested.
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1:22 PM
@SamuelLiew Thanks for fixing that Meta btw
 
I just happened to be around
 
@Sam oops sorry - didn't know you were on that one...
 
it's ok
 
1:42 PM
Is this php mysql question ok? It's been edited to include code.
 
anything PHP needs to be nuked from orbit... looks okay I guess?
 
\o
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@JonClements \o hi puppy.
 
heya - how's things?
 
I keep being surprised by seeing you happy with puppy eyes, rather than in ninja clothing
@JonClements Getting the NASA to get their stuff together so I can use it, and making stupid mistakes of putting stuff in degrees into functions which go in radians. So marvellous all in all :P
 
1:50 PM
@Adriaan is that a good or a bad thing? :p
 
It's nice to have mods hanging out in the channel again
 
@JonClements It's a change for the better I'd say, but I can't help wondering when the garb will come on and those big teeth will bite me Guinness
 
@Machavity you say that now... chuckles maniacally :p
 
@JonClements You didn't dig the garden up again, did you?
 
you can't prove that was me...
 
1:59 PM
@JonClements Heh.. so you don't know either? Or did I misinterpret the "?" :)
 
"the puppy doth protest too much, methinks". lol
 
@ArdentCoder try to avoid one boxes.
 
@ArdentCoder Please edit this line to remove the one-boxing :) There is a 2 minute edit window. Use the arrow up :)
 
@Nkosi Yeah, I realized it just now. So I didn't repeat it in the second one :)
 
2:02 PM
That first one is off site request
 
@Nkosi Yah but someone edited it just now
 
@Nkosi I simply went spam; the sole intent of that post, even after the edit, is to direct traffic to their own article
 
@Adriaan yeah realized that after. OP also has another VLQ answer pushing the same link and not much else
 
2:21 PM
@ArdentCoder what is the point of your ramblings?
 
@rene I'm bringing posts that should be closed, with "reasons" that you call "rambling"?
 
@ArdentCoder you can use the cv-pls format, like anyone else, please.
@ArdentCoder please visit: socvr.org/…
 
@ArdentCoder We have a methodology and we kindly request you make an attempt to use it
We also have a userscript that can help you format them automatically
 
@Machavity I see, thanks for that links :)
 
@ArdentCoder I just type mine in manually - it's just [tag] [official reason] [optional notes] [link] - pretty easy once you get used to it
 
2:26 PM
@halfer You too? It's my favorite thing :)
 
:-)
 
@halfer I don't know how, but your tone of making somebody understand is wonderful!
 
some are gifted
 
@halfer It's a bit of a bummer in a mobile device, but I do it anyway.
 
@rene ...the rest is a bit of a blur. :P
 
2:28 PM
it sure is
 
@rene Are you jealous? (lol, I don't know why my tone is like this) I mean, you should also talk a bit calmly to new comers like me..
 
@ArdentCoder Go to this room: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/1/sandbox
 
@Scratte What's there?
 
@ArdentCoder It's the chat-jail!.. No, kidding, it's the sandbox room
 
@Scratte Thanks for the training :)
 
2:38 PM
@ArdentCoder No problem. But.. read the room faq. The whole thing. Twice.
 
@ArdentCoder edit it.
Check the link the comments to see if it actually needs to be closed as dupe
 
@Nkosi The current answer is what a normal person would do: try this, try that, reinstall, did you install correctly, change the tool, etc. I don't have enough knowledge to judge that dupe :(
 
Alright cool. See if you can edit the one you linked into shape then.
 
I mean, only OP could edit it with their environment details and a clear title
The actual error in that question is the dupe's title, so maybe the dupe is correct
 
2:56 PM
@ArdentCoder If you're not sure what to do with a post, you can ask the room. Like I did here. I try to keep those few, so I don't spam the room with my insecurities. If no one answers, it either because no one knows, or because they're busy. Trust that people will respond if they know. It's better than 20 responding with "I don't know" :)
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[emoji:like]
 
3:11 PM
@ArdentCoder You're missing a tag: and an official reason :-)
+1
 
@halfer Oh yeah, I forgot about the time limit. What is +1?
 
"+1" just means upvote, OK, great - it's a general internet shorthand.
 
doubleplusgood
 
3:13 PM
meh
 
@halfer It will be better if you help OP understand "how it did not help": stackoverflow.com/questions/62046292/…
 
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
 
3:31 PM
apparently we lost the 'belongs on Meta' close reason in the close vote mixup a few months back
and I just now noticed
oh wait, no, it's hidden because it's too old now
 
you can turn it in a delv-pls ...
 
meh, it'll roomba quickly
 
@TylerH Yes, I agree
 
3:46 PM
The entire answer thread looks strange
 
those are NAA
 
@Nkosi Yeah, but if I had said NAA then rene could target me for not reading the FAQ lol, so some could classify it as rude as well
 
@ArdentCoder While a del-pls isn't wrong, that's the sort of thing which should be handled with flags.
 
Haven't we seen a larger surge of pointless answers from sock puppets these days?
 
@Makyen I know, I just wanted to bring more attention to those posts cuz it didn't even have a downvote
 
3:51 PM
@ArdentCoder We do allow , but only if you can't NAA or LQP flag it yourself
 
@Machavity That's great. So if I bring such posts after flagging like I did it now, I'll get kicked?
 
@ArdentCoder So, if you felt it was downvote worthy, why didn't you downvote? If you knew it was appropriate to flag, did you do so? Bringing something to the attention of the room because you feel it should be downvoted is inappropriate.
 
@Makyen I had flagged it like I said before, but I was just not sure because it had 0 downvotes cuz I thought maybe it's allowed to answer like that and maybe edit it later.
 
@ArdentCoder Don't be so obsessed with kicking. We don't kick people for fun. You kept poking rene until he kicked you. So stop poking rene
 
3:55 PM
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@E_net4theRustacean I didn't ask for downvotes
 
@E_net4theRustacean I haven't noticed much difference
 
@ArdentCoder Then you should have asked such answers were appropriate, rather than make a request that was tangential to what you desired to know.
 
@Machavity I know, cuz I didn't like the way he talks to me, he has been talking like that since the time we met on meta. Btw, I've not poked him much after halfer asked me to do so :)
@Makyen That's a good info, I'll stop using tags for that from now on.
 
FR: add a cv-plser shortcut for "requirements dump". I do believe H for homework is unused.
 
4:10 PM
Some of you're getting a lot of stars from my presence, no thank-you?
 
Stars are worth even less than rep.
 
Stars are anonymous for a reason ;)
 
Welcome
Lol I didn't expect an upvote, thanks to whoever did it :D
 
@halfer Sure, my first star in this room goes to you
 
4:17 PM
@JohnDvorak Wait?.. really? Not even room owners can see who did those?
 
@Scratte No, there used to be a bug in the websocket traffic and you could see the star event (with the userid) there. But that is fixed already. Here is the report: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/229913/…
 
@rene That doesn't me there are no other ways to track it down.
 
Hey Guys, i know this isn't about a close vote, but if someone suggests an edit, and includes a link to their own blog, is that considered spam?
 
@rene Thanks. I had no idea that stars were as secret as votes. I just figured they were less.. important, I guess.
 
@ZacharyCraig that is spam
 
4:22 PM
alright, i wanted to ensure before i voted it as such
 
@ZacharyCraig I've rejected the edit
 
I did as well, i assumed it was spam, but was unsure on the policy, like if the blog link is legitimately helpful, its not really spam, but the edit /is/ mainly to direct people to his blog
 
@ZacharyCraig Thanks for reporting, you have good eyes :)
 
Also, is it just me, or are there a LOT more review audits in this queue than in triage?
it seems like every 5th review or so is a random audi
not sure if it's because i'm new to the queue or if it's always like that
 
@ZacharyCraig Lol, I think you're right. But I've stopped doing triage since a 30-day ban.
 
4:26 PM
I got banned quite a few times as well, due to bans, they really aren't clear enough on what the needs editing button does
 
@ZacharyCraig did you fail one recently?
 
i always thought it kicked it back to the author and told them their question needed editing
not any in this queue, no
i got banned from the triage queue like a month ago or so though
 
@ZacharyCraig Exactly, my strategy is to ignore those for now while there are plenty of other good review queues, and hope to get back at triage when it gets fixed in the near future. I think there are many posts related to it on meta as well.
 
yep! i just skip em, which is apparently what you're supposed to do now.
 
I'm not entirely accusing triage, but imho there's something wrong there.
 
4:28 PM
The "normal" rate is two audits every 50 reviews. And that gets considerably more when you failed an audit.
Also skipping does seem to influence the rate a bit.
 
I wonder if it ever does key down on that, i'd hope it eventually sees it can be "confident" in my assesments later
 
@rene It's more brutal when you get an unfair ban. Take that request to meta and if they don't like my tone, I get downvotes. If I flag for moderator attention, it is ignored. If I comment under a moderator's comment, it gets ignored as well.
 
@halfer for no particular reason at all, do you happen to know if editing a link to an image into an actual image pushes a closed question to the reopen queue?
 
@ArdentCoder sure, that happens. Meta can be murder.
 
@JohnDvorak Haha! Yes, I got pipped to the post on that one, not deliberate on my part. I am not sure. It would be nice if that was seen as a minor edit, but I don't know if it is that smart.
 
4:30 PM
@rene Finally you agree upon something with me!
 
I just got yet another audit
 
@ZacharyCraig how many reviews done?
 
Total? or today?
 
Audits are easy to pass once you know what to look for.
 
today
 
4:32 PM
Er, how can I tell?
12
 
O_O
 
@JohnDvorak see my recent ban reason: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/26212542
 
@ZacharyCraig okay, and two audits so far?
 
@ArdentCoder niiice. That one isn't even completely unfair, just really tricky :P
 
4:34 PM
@ZacharyCraig The system must have a failed audit recorded for you. It should get better if you don't fail any more audits
 
I haven't failed any recently, it tells you, doesn't it?
I mean can i see my own audit history somewhere
 
Yeah
 
@JohnDvorak Yeah, my first thoughts were it is spam but then I saw that they had posted some code using a tool (they didn't even link to that website), so it didn't look like spam. The real reason was
After my 2-day ban, a moderator reviewed my flag and said that all of that user's posts were flagged cuz of one spam.
 
@ZacharyCraig There are only two correct options in triage: Unsalvageable and Skip. If you stick to those, you're good :)
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I had also mentioned this problem earlier a few weeks ago in Meta, but it was a rain of downvotes lol
 
4:37 PM
@ZacharyCraig I see only one audit for you: i.stack.imgur.com/1eWDP.png
 
Can you see them there?
It doesn't disclose to me if something is an audit like ti does to you, unsure if it's a rep thing or if you're a mod
 
@ZacharyCraig yeah, it was caching I guess
@ZacharyCraig not a mod but I have this user script
 
Oops..
 
thanks @Scratte
 
nice, grabbing
 
4:40 PM
I was ninja'ed :)
 
Not that I ever review ... or review the reviews ... but still
 
@Scratte I didn't expect anyone else besides myself to spam my userscripts here ;)
 
@rene I use it all the time :)
 
Oh, cool!
 
..but I don't go refreshing it like crazy ;)
 
4:44 PM
While we're advertising our own scripts, may I suggest one that improves the chat UI?
 
@rene How do you see all those users reviews? Is that a mod thing?
 
that is rep thing, at 10K I think
 
Rene, i'm getting an error with your script because $ is undefined, do i need to do something else?
 
@ZacharyCraig are you using GreaseMonkey?
 
4:45 PM
don't (sorry)
 
oh, what's the recommended system on firefox?
 
better use Tampermonkey if you can
 
Oh. So much so look forward to. Spying other users audits :)
 
ah, much better
thanks rene!
 
@JohnDvorak a particular one or is this a general request?
 
4:46 PM
particular one
 
If it turns this chat into IRC, I don't mind a link ...
 
So i have 8 audits, and 62 total reviews
 
@rene "thanks rene" by Zach, you agreed with me, etc. Wow what happened to you today?
 
@ZacharyCraig Did you count your Skips?
 
4:47 PM
@ZacharyCraig okay, you're still recovering from audits then.
 
Not IRC, just significantly more readable
 
I just went off the number it showed at the top right, not including skiups.
skips**
 
@ZacharyCraig You can edit your message within a short time. You can see a "down arrow" icon in the left corner of your message.
 
Ah, i was unaware, thanks
 
@JohnDvorak Hmm, I already had that installed, it just updated. I had it disabled.
 
4:50 PM
I'm not a fan of the idea any time you edit a message that mentions me it pings me. it's pinged me like 3 times
 
@ZacharyCraig Of course, I was showing how it works lol
 
@ArdentCoder I understand that you edited to demonstrate, i was just saying the fact it re-pings me each time you do an edit is silly see this is a bit irritating, no? Edits pining each time is a bit obnoxious.
 
@ZacharyCraig How about an appeal on Meta? It's a paradise.
 
So i hear.
 
@ZacharyCraig Time to feel it lol
But I think, your idea is not very bad. Also make sure that it was not asked or mentioned somewhere already, or you'll feel the paradise even more.
 
4:56 PM
i can also see people saying that if someone pinged you to get your attention then pinged you that the idea whatever was important enough to warrant a ping warrants another if it's edited
I won't bother trying to rock the boat
 
@ZacharyCraig Nice phrase, after googling it I came to know that I was rock the boating rene lol
 
5:10 PM
an hour later... sigh... Make yet another note to self that reads: 'Remember not to just believe people when they answer "Yes" to "Did you try turning the power off and then back on?"'
 
@Makyen Talking to me?
 
@ArdentCoder Nope. Just expressing frustration about something in Real Lifeâ„¢, while implicitly explaining why I wasn't present here.
 
@Makyen Your real life is coincidental to my life a few moment ago lol
@Makyen I thought that you replied to this: "Finally you agree upon something with me!"
 
@ArdentCoder Nope. I haven't yet read the transcript from my most recent non-deleted message to here. My earlier, now deleted, message, which was a reply to you, got sent because someone decided it was a good idea to rest something on my keyboard while I was handling something they called me away for.
 
@Makyen That's a long sentence
 
5:21 PM
@ArdentCoder I tend to be overly verbose.
 
@Makyen That's self contradicting unless you said "I tend to express myself in more words than needed" (ref: google lol)
 
@ArdentCoder Yes, and no. It was, to an extent, intended to be a bit ironic. Just "Yes" would have been better, but wouldn't have conveyed the context you probably didn't have. :)
 
@Makyen Now I know how to write a 300 words answer
 
@ArdentCoder Do you consider that short or long?
 
@Makyen It's relative
Lol it's fun talking to you
 
@ArdentCoder if you this that this was long sentence, then you should run this SEDE query with UserID 3773011.
 
@double-beep It says I'm an anonymous user
@double-beep That's a cool query, but it works on full post. Isn't there any just for sentences?
@double-beep Lol I just noticed it's Mayken again
 
5:50 PM
@double-beep In my defense, most of those are at least mostly code. :)
 
@Makyen Or "It's mostly code"
@Makyen Not joking this time, do you have any resources that will help me write like that? My University doesn't like short answers in English exams.
 
6:04 PM
@JohnDvorak That is a world of rainbows :)
Anyway I can make myself yellow?
 
Pinning colors for specific users hasn't been implemented, but if there's enough interest, I may.
 
@SmokeDetector wow, what a criticism
 
@ArdentCoder Unfortunately, I don't have any specific resources to point you to. Most of my writing is largely informed from reading, but specifically learning about writing is something that I've intended to do a more systematic job for, but haven't ever really gotten to doing it. Being verbose is the style that developed for me over time. It's largely because I tend to view most things as complex and interrelated, so there's often quite a bit to communicate.
To a significant extent, when reviewing what I write, I try to put myself in the position of the person reading it and try make sure that the reasoning I took to get to something is shown in order to allow the reader to reach similar conclusions.
 
@JohnDvorak I like the rainbow effect :) But I have a hard time finding my own messages. Pinning those to a certain colour (maybe combined with a border) would probably help :)
 
@Makyen I'm saving all your messages in notepad, I'll surely analyze them and be back one day haha
 
6:14 PM
@ArdentCoder OK. I hope they are helpful.
@JohnDvorak The first edit to a closed question's body within 70 days of closure pushes the question into the reopen queue, unless the editor isn't the OP and that editor either voted to close or flagged the question (with a close-flag, VLQ, spam, or R/A, but not a custom flag; retracted flags do count). For more information see: Which edits push closed questions to the reopen review queue?
 
@Makyen I tend to agree but I still need some clarification with respect to the possibility of you accusing me of my innocent action of stealing your message, which I don't believe is stealing because I have mentioned it to you and I hope I have your permission but I still need an assurance on your behalf that I can legally and politely use your messages for educational purposes only :)
 
I got myself in another pickle. I flagged this vue.js as needing details due to the image. Now the image is gone and replaced with code, but I have no idea if it's now on-topic. Any thoughts?
 
@ArdentCoder Everything here is licensed under at least one version of CC BY-SA, depending on when it was posted. As long as you comply with the license, which is largely providing the required attribution/copyright/license info, then you're going to be OK, regardless of anything I might say. If you want to use my comments in a way not consistent with that license, then you're going to need to give me more information in order for me to be able to evaluate granting an additional license.
For some things I've written on SE, including in chat, I've already granted additional licenses, but I'd have to do considerable work to find all the places where I've done so.
 
@Makyen What a skill! Are you coming out of a court?
 
6:26 PM
@Makyen By additional license, do you include a reply to a request with: Yes, you can use this canned comment without attribution as a comment on a post? :)
 
@ArdentCoder No, but licensing and copyright is something I've done some investigation into.
@Scratte Yes, that statement of mine is/was an explicit grant of an additional license.
 
@Makyen I expected so. Thank you for clearing it up. Though I find licensing quite complicated. The catch-22 is that if someone catches me using one of your canned comments, I would need to find the chat-comment of yours :)
Which I probably could with just a search or two. But the process is a bit funny :)
 
@Scratte np. Yes, licensing can get quite complex. Yeah, search will be your friend for that issue, although many/most people will be assuaged if you just tell them that you did ask for and receive permission.
 
6:37 PM
I don't think they should be though. I could be just lying.
 
@Scratte Yes, you could. What their response will be will depend on the level of trust granted by the other person, which will largely based on their impressions of your from your prior interactions and current attitude.
 
@Makyen That is also another tricky thing. I know my own attitude, but I can't tell how I come off to other people. I'm inherently biased to assume what I think of myself. So if I think I'm annoying, I'll be inclined to assume others think that too. Likewise if I think I'm fantastic. (I think this probably goes for most people that's doesn't have extremely good people skills.)
 
@Scratte Yes, this is true. You can get better at that by trying to closely observe how other people respond and adjusting your actions based on those responses.
 
6:59 PM
@Georgy It's probably worth marking this sort of request as 20k only :-)
 
@Georgy I'm not sure that it should be deleted. Down-voted, sure, flagged if you think that the answer crosses the threshold of plagiarism
 
@halfer As a tag or just as a comment? I'm too far from 20k so I didn't really care about it :)
 
Manned Space-X Crew Dragon Demo-2 launches in 1.5 hours: info; live stream. The launch is scheduled for today at 20:33 UTC (4:33 p.m. EDT). This is the first Space-X launch that's actually carrying people.
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@HovercraftFullOfEels I've been flagging these kinds of answers before, but eventually, a mod contacted me and asked not to do that unless it's a word-for-word copy. Speaking about this specific answer. There are already 64 answers in total there. I don't think it's worth keeping this one.
 
@Georgy Then again, down-vote it and have it sink to the bottom. For me, I'm saving my delete votes for things that truly need deletion.
 
7:07 PM
@Georgy Thanks for your contribution, I don't have delete votes but I've flagged it and let the community decide what to do next :)
 
Discord chat room group-watching the live stream: discord.gg/S3hhWJ
 
@ArdentCoder What do you flag that as?
 
@Scratte I flagged it as "very low quality" because "it has content problems". By content, I mean its contents are plagiarised.
 
@ArdentCoder Ah. It might not be. It's just one line.. don't you get your flags declined?
 
@Scratte Btw, I didn't flag it for mod attention cuz different people have different lines on the extent of plagiarism. So, if enough people think like that then let it be deleted otherwise let it stay :)
@Scratte I have 14 declined flags, and 266 helpful flags (on posts)
 
7:19 PM
@Georgy I don't know if there is a policy on it, I would suggest [tag] [reason] (20k only) [link] as a general format. It saves folks clicking if they don't have the ability to delete answers anyway (I'm on 17k and I could not delete that answer, I assume it needs 20k).
 
7:30 PM
@HovercraftFullOfEels Array.new(10).map{[false, true].sample}.then{|arr| p arr}
Or just p Array.new(10){rand > 0.5}
 
^ What language is that?
 
Ruby
 
It did feel kind of weird ;) Especially for a Java question :)
 
7:46 PM
I have a beautiful Java solution to the task given, but unfortunately it's too big to fit into a single chat message.
 
@JohnDvorak What a pity the Question is closed. You could have outdone Makyen on answer-length :D
 
8:18 PM
@Makyen The launch has been scrubbed due to weather. The next launch window is Saturday, May 30 at 3:22 p.m. EDT, or 19:22 UTC.
 
@Makyen No surprises when Elon surprises
 
@JohnDvorak Just FYI: chat messages which are in fixed-width font can be ... long. I'm not sure what the length limit is, but it's significant. This chat message is >70k characters.
 
Should I rollback the question? stackoverflow.com/questions/62051667/… Read my comments under the answer.
 
@halfer Ok, thanks! I'll keep that in mind.
 
 
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11:03 PM
@ArdentCoder that whole thing is a mess. Edit 5 is debatable, it changes the code in non-formatting ways and isn't by the asker, but the original code was obviously bogus and this makes it runnable, so eh, it's probably an improvement. Edit 6 by the asker should not have been made, it's clearly not real code. Edit 7 brings it back to something realistic that resembles edit 5, and I think eliminates the need for a rollback.
As an aside, I wouldn't complain about the choice of loop variable names. For all we know, this is an excerpt of an inner loop or some other situation where i is already in use. Copying the OP's variable names is good; it lets them drop the code in and test it without additional potential mistakes. Separately, one might suggest better names to the OP.
@RyanM Edit 5 also doesn't touch anything relevant to the actual problem, which leans further toward "it's fine"
 
11:25 PM
@RyanM Yah, actually. Btw, variable name was just a suggestion, mistake was in the missing declaration. I had even put many initial comments there, all of them which I deleted cuz of repeated editing. I though it wise not to start a rollback war :)
 

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