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12:08 AM
@JohnDvorak yikes that whole answer section is a mess of wrongness
good find for duplicate closure
 
12:19 AM
Is there a consensus on what to do with LQP reviews when the answer is terribly written and also wrong? (example)
 
12:35 AM
@RyanM delete
 
 
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1:41 AM
General Motors Truck Carrier?
 
:-)
God Might Tickle Cats
 
Ahhh...
 
Give Me The Codez
(It's one of these)
 
@halfer I particularly find that question unclear.
 
It looks like a homework dump to me
 
@Scratte Just FYI: I've posted a question on MSE to report the WebSocket issue we've been seeing. You are indirectly mentioned via a link to the chat message I'm replying to.
 
 
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5:09 AM
@KenWhite seems like it can be reworded, can't it?
 
@JohnDvorak It would have to be much more specific. Just removing the recommend packages doesn't make it an acceptable question when the entire post is about 20 words.
 
5:43 AM
@Makyen I'm famous! ;)
 
 
 
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9:03 AM
@Shree Why though?
 
9:18 AM
@JohnDvorak ?? why not ?
 
Zoe
9:37 AM
@Scratte Btw, I mod flag yesterday and asked for the question to be deleted. My flag was marked helpful, post deleted, and I got this message: "Sigh. Returning posts from Meta to main is a bug. " - so there's a lot more to it apparently xd
 
10:27 AM
@Zoe You got a custom flag handled in less than a day?!? :) You must have special powers :)
 
Zoe
10:41 AM
@rene Wasn't dupe deletion though
@Scratte On meta* :)
Got a 9 day old flag on main
 
11:33 AM
@Zoe Oh.. so separate queues, same moderators? (Yes, I read that message)
 
Zoe
yeah. Meta is considered a separate site, so its mod queue is separate from main
 
Makes sense when I look at my profile with just 1 flag ever raised :D
It used to scare me when I was met with the "There are no review queues available to you". Ohh no. I'm banned again :D
 
11:47 AM
 
Is there a penalty for a "harassment, bigotry, or abuse." comment, or is that only for posts?
 
@Scratte only for posts
 
@rene Ok.. :) ..asking for a friend ;)
 
Zoe
@Scratte There's no -100 rep, but if someone acquires a certain amount of flags in a certain period of time that I don't remember, don't ask me what it is, it raises an automatic modflag which lets the mods take a look at it
They can then suspend or warn the user if necessary
 
I take it you're saying mods are physically prevented from inspecting the relevant stats before the respective autoflag is raised?
 
11:53 AM
@Zoe Which in a sense is a bigger penalty than the -100 if the suspention it's for a longer time period. But I also imagine that several rude/abusive posts will result in the same type of suspension.
 
@Scratte well, don't collect too many rude comment flags ;)
 
Zoe
If mods get involved directly, they can take action, but if they don't, they're probably gonna miss it unless a flag makes it into the mod queue, and is reviewed by a moderator. If community members 3 flag nuke a comment, or a single user flags it and it gets deleted thanks to regex, mods don't actually see it in a queue
 
@JohnDvorak No, but from Zoe's earlier comment they may be on a break :)
 
Zoe
We don't get active stats from the mod flag queue though, so we don't actually know if they're back now
 
sometimes.. my jokes are just not funny.
 
11:56 AM
Another "Google KickStart" thing ^ @Zoe, looks like Google is setting a lot of homeworks!
@Scratte Tell us a funny one
 
@halfer lol!.. I thought that statement alone was funny. I'm laughing at my own stupid joke.
 
@Scratte My favourite one: "A dyslexic man walks into a bra".
 
@halfer Heh.. I used to remember a lot of blonde jokes. But I think they went out of fashion
 
@Scratte Yes, true. I think it is good that society is more aware, but intent matters.
 
12:08 PM
@halfer Being danish.. I've heard a lot of them from blondes :)
 
@Scratte That's allowed :-)
 
12:22 PM
<facepalm> I self-retracted a mod flag in the morning because I haven't woken up enough. Now I have to flag it again.
 
user12867493
12:41 PM
Where is a room where I can contact a SO mod?
 
Zoe
mod flagging and asking for a talk is probably the best option. There's no dedicated rooms, but mods can make private rooms with them and you
 
user12867493
Specifically about my review ban being unjust?
 
Zoe
Mod flag on main, ask on meta, or try here: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/208985/bad-stack-overflow-reviews
 
@Daniil err wassup?
 
user12867493
@JonClements Ok, then. Thanks for coming
 
Zoe
12:44 PM
or wait for a friendly neighborhood mod to pop up when you ask where to ask ^^
 
user12867493
Is a review ban for 2 months plus in my case necessary?
 
probably best if you pop into the room ^^^ so we don't bore the people here :)
 
watch the pit in the ground filled with spikes
 
ouch! earlier warnings appreciated please...
 
Zoe
@JonClements There's signs for like 1km saying "beware of the spike pit"
 
12:46 PM
Why do we have that anyway?
 
Zoe
for when we're invaded by the British, of course.
 
Ah, of course. Didn't think of it.
 
@Zoe you realise that dogs can't read though, right? :p
 
Must make using chat a chore. My condolences
 
Zoe
@JonClements you realize us wolves can, right? "Evolution" ;P
 
12:53 PM
I don't know why you're replying to me when you know I can't read what you're saying... :p
 
Woof, woof, bark.
 
Zoe
awoo?
 
@VLAZ wooo... steady on there... that's almost rude/abusive but I'll put it down to dog not being your first language :p
 
This room is haunted
 
Time for exorcism again?
 
Zoe
12:56 PM
@VLAZ no, that doesn't work on rooms
 
OK, then, if there's something weird and it don't look good, who you gonna call?
 
Zoe
JON CLEMENTS!
 
Jon ain't afraid of no ghost!
 
Zoe
^^
 
Errr... of course not gulps...
 
1:03 PM
Would you do it for a Clemens Snack?
 
Rather than ghost, I'm terrified of the living.
 
Zoe
^
 
1:24 PM
A question about auto-comments: I flagged this question today as a duplicate, OP disagreed and edited their question, and now I see that the "Does this answer your question" comment is removed. But the close-votes are still there. How? Why? Do moderators delete these comments? Or maybe several users flagged it as "no longer needed"? I couldn't find anything about this on meta.
 
Zoe
@Georgy The comments aren't linked to the votes in any other way than it being posted when you VTC as a dupe
The comment being removed doesn't affect the vote, and the vote being removed or aging away doesn't remove the comment
 
@Zoe Yeah, I understand this part. What I don't understand is why and how somebody would delete the "Does this answer your question" comment.
 
Zoe
Dunno. The comment section claims there's still a comment in there, but trying to show it just hides it
Could be something with the system if it wasn't explicitly deleted
 
@Georgy flagged as NLN and a mod agreed
 
@JonClements Ok, then, I guess, it was just a mistake on the mod's part.
 
1:42 PM
@Georgy Not really... the OP edited their post after your comment explaining why they didn't think it was a dupe of the suggested...
 
2:24 PM
@JonClements Ok, thanks for clarifying. If it would be me, though, I'd leave the comment be for other users to decide if the question is really a duplicate or no.
 
2:49 PM
@Georgy but there's little point it still needs to be a comment... the OP has edited the exact link you included in your comment into their post and explained why they don't think it is a duplicate... it's more visible there and your comment was then just redundant anyway
 
@Georgy flags on 'dupe' auto comments also discussed on Meta recently.
... situation there was a bit different, though.
 
 
4:15 PM
Last Smokey report definitely seems to be spam, though it may not be obvious. The answer is completely unrelated to the question.
 
the URL reeks badly
 
It has nothing to do with the question.
I wouldn't feel bad with flagging as spam
Also is totally copypasted from here smartprintsupplies.com/blogs/news/…
 
Well, if it walks like a pink duck and quacks like a pink duck...
 
then it's probably @Adriaan
 
Quack quack
 
 
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9:21 PM
Daily close vote limit reached; please try again in 2 hours \o/
 
@halfer When it says "try again" does that mean maybe you'll get another close vote again?
 
in 2+ hours the daily votes limit gets reset
 
this is the second time today I need to remind myself to work on my joking skills.. :)
 
@halfer I still have 4 close votes, but I run out of down votes and delete votes already. I can give you my 4 CVs
 
9:42 PM
@Dharman Thanks, but I have spent a silly amount of time on the main site today. Curation is satisfying work, and fills the gap when I can't concentrate very well on self-study, but it is still a distraction :-)
@Scratte I like to think there is a hamster in the machine, tossing a coin to decide when I get my votes back.
 
9:59 PM
@halfer You don't get them back. You get new ones :D
 
@mickmackusa Just because a duplicate is answered and won't be deleted by Roomba isn't a reason to delete it only a couple of days after it's been asked. Both of the dup-targets have only a few duplicates. It seems reasonable to me to leave the question as a duplicate. If you think the answer is actually harmful, then, perhaps, delete the answer. If that's done, then Roomba will delete the question, if it ends up not being a good duplicate.
@mickmackusa This seems to be a very similar situation to what I commented on above ^, but the answer at least appears to be a bit higher quality.
 
@Scratte I'm a recycler ;-)
 
@Makyen users will continue to answer duplicate questions when their answers are upvoted. When is the best time to inform a dog that they should not poop on the living room carpet? Straight away or a week from now? If there is no page, there is no rep gain. This is just logical volunteer grooming.
All of us in this room are outnumbered by users that answer close-able questions. I am crafting a meta question at this moment which will make a proposal to combat this never-ending problem.
 
10:20 PM
@mickmackusa If that's your goal, then it's probably better to focus on deleting the answer, rather than the question. You could even leave a comment on the answer to explain to the answer OP what would be a better course of action on their part:
Please don't answer duplicate questions. Instead, flag or vote for them to be closed as a duplicate. If you feel your answer adds an additional approach to those which are on the duplicate-target question (linked at the top of the page), then it's *far* better to create an answer on the duplicate-target where it will be seen by many more people and, probably, get significantly more upvotes.
 
Muhammad, I know you are earlier in your Stack Overflow journey and you can only unlock privileges by posting, but please flag to close questions which are duplicates in this system. (all basic questions are duplicates) — mickmackusa 2 days ago
I often volunteer from my phone and I don't have a cache of copy-paste comments to draw from.
I'd prefer to leverage this group to purge unnecessary content versus taking the indirect, unreliable, and unwelcoming approach of downvoting posts.
 
@mickmackusa Nobody has suggested downvoting posts. We've only been discussing delete-voting.
 
My goal is to remove needless site bloat. I thought this room was devoted to site-wide cleanup efforts. There is nothing malignant about my intentions. I am just trying to help Stack Overflow and groom volunteers to be better contributors.
 
10:58 PM
@mickmackusa I didn't say you were being malignant. I certainly didn't intend to imply that you were. I'm sorry that what I wrote made you feel that way. Frankly, I'm not sure where you got that impression from what I've said. If you could point out what it was I said which implied that, I'd appreciate it, so I can learn what communicated something I wasn't intending.
I was attempting to provide an alternative course of action, which kept the potential value of duplicates as signposts to dup-target questions which have very few duplicates. There is value in having a reasonable number of duplicates, because people search for things in different ways. Deleting the duplicate, before there's been an opportunity to accumulate the data needed to determine if it will be a good signpost, does delete some potential value.
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You've said your motivation is at least partially that you object to users answering duplicate questions, and that those users do so in order to get reputation. I've suggested deleting bad answers on duplicate questions and encouraging those answerers to answer the dup-target, if they feel their approach adds value. That course of action fits as a solution to all of the issues you've mentioned, while still allowing the possibility of the site realizing some value out of a duplicate question.
 
Thanks for taking the time @Makyen. I still have the highest respect for you and your labor. I must begin my work day now, so I cannot chat any longer. I want to advertise this new meta question to this group so that others can weigh in. meta.stackoverflow.com/q/397526/2943403
 

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