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12:00 AM
 
12:33 AM
@KenWhite couldn't the first link be spam?
I didn't open it
 
12:46 AM
@Vickel I'm not opening it either, so I don't know if it is or not. In either case, it's not a proper question here.
 
@KenWhite certainly not a proper question
check the tags :)
I think it's borderline asking for trouble
 
 
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2:18 AM
@Vickel Probably. It's been deleted now - I just cast the last delete vote.
 
3:59 AM
I edited out bitterness but is this still worthy of a mod flag? stackoverflow.com/posts/60923824/revisions
 
4:46 AM
Morning!
 
o/
 
 
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6:01 AM
 
6:36 AM
 
7:08 AM
Do "we" remove copy answers by moderator interventions? If so, how identical do they have to be?
 
@Scratte if you mean plagiarism, maybe bring it up here to discuss your findings
 
I've stumbled upon this java answer and I'm not sure if I should flag it or just downvote.
 
in egregious cases flag for mod attention, but often having it closed as not useful is quite sufficient
@Scratte comment + downvote, or upvote the existing comment
oh it's your comment (-:
 
@tripleee Yes. I understand that people are using upvotes instead of downvotes :D I was starting to edit stuff to regain rep lost from review. Yes, it's mine. Sorry, I should have mentioned that
 
oh definitely blame is on me, I meant downvote in any case, and leave a comment or upvote an existing comment if there is already one which points out the problem
 
7:13 AM
@tripleee The "upvote technique" doesn't work for audits. But I've started to both upvote the answer being copied and downvote the copy answer. This case just seems so.. obviously copycat.
 
sometimes it's just incompetence, newcomers who can't comment figure they should copy/paste the answer just to confirm that it worked for them too
 
@tripleee I misunderstood.. the "upvote technique" I mentioned is avoid losing rep by upvoting the other answer instead of downvoting the bad one.
 
right ... been a long time since I had to worry about individual rep points (-8
 
..another 90 downvotes and I lose a privilege :D
but I don't like to both comment and downvote. I like my one Question and I don't need it going into the abyss..
 
bring it up here and one of us with broader margins can add a comment if it seems warranted
 
7:21 AM
@tripleee Thank you :) Though I do see those very often in Late Answers..
 
 
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9:22 AM
I'm constantly clicking "follow" now that it's on share's place :(
Is this question No MCVE? See my comment; it's highly unlike that OP is able to optimise a division (literal question), but might be able to optimise surrounding code, which lacks in the question.
 
10:05 AM
@Adriaan At least it's close. I'm now clicking edit instead of comment. It does not compute.
 
10:48 AM
@Adriaan Heh, me too :=)
 
11:00 AM
Morning (just) all. I assume this is OT but haven't seen a post like it? stackoverflow.com/review/first-posts/25723429. I note there is , but quite a few other posts there like this and this all look like they're OT as well.
 
@DavidBuck ^ the typos add to the unintended humor
 
I'm getting increasingly frustrated that people choose "No actions needed" instead of actually validating that answers are answering the Questions and that they work :(
 
12:08 PM
Morning
 
'fternoon
 
Afternoon \o
 
@Adriaan Out of caution for what?
 
@Dharman non-English should (almost) always be flagged as VLQ, as Bhargav once said in here. Problem is that unless you and the mod handling the flag happen to understand the language fluently, things might be lost in translation.
 
12:18 PM
I see, thanks
 
@Adriaan User nuked. I assume my spam flag wasn't wrong then.
 
12:35 PM
Muscle memory is a hell of a thing. I need to stop sharing when I really wanted to edit a post. lol
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israel PM also infected :/
 
@InsaneCat Netanyahu or the other guy? I lost track when Israel couldn't pick a winning government combo
 
Netanyahu
 
How much NAA is this?
 
12:50 PM
@Scratte It must have been very NAA, because the user account does no longer exist.
 
@Dharman Yeah.. I did wonder about that :D It said that the post was 2 hours old. It turned out to be an audit. I felt really stupid, and hoped no one would notice :D
 
@Nkosi Same; I'm constantly misclicking now
wish they would've put the follow link under the favorite star or something
or better yet just reworked favorites to act sensibly in a 'follow' manner
It's not like we haven't been asking for that, or anything...
 
1:12 PM
@TylerH Sadly my suggestion was declined.
 
That's not the first time I've seen that dev use status-declined and then comment in a way that reveals he should've used status-deferred
kinda frustrating
 
2:25 PM
ope, just saw a question asking for help implementing a payment option on a PHP 5.4 website
glad to see html/css isn't the only group having to deal with vastly out-of-support tools (IE)
 
@TylerH Hmm, I know some pretty large customers stuck for too long on 5.4, it's not good
 
@TylerH I usually add this message: "If you are still using PHP 5 I strongly recommend to upgrade as soon as possible. This version is no longer supported. Let Rasmus Lerdorf explain it to you"
 
2:40 PM
 
3:06 PM
@RiggsFolly Should we close it or not if you have answered it?
 
3:29 PM
@RiggsFolly The rules for SOCVR explicitly prohibit making a request about a post which they've asked or answered, or about an edit which they've made (#15 in our FAQ). If you change your mind and choose to answer the question after posting a request in here, please ping an active RO and ask for your request to be removed prior to answering it.
 
3:47 PM
@Dharman Can also link to the PHP EOL page. In the case of 5.4, it's not had any updates in 4.5 years
Which is usually responded to with "I just need to make this one thing work"
 
@Makyen Apolgies, got fedup with comments being ignored and decided to drop an answer. Totally forgot I have dropped a close vote on the question earlier
 
@RiggsFolly np. It happens. Just try to keep it in mind.
 
The Winter Bash Hats feature should be enabled for this period, but instead of hats, face masks. :P
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@Makyen Will do
 
@RiggsFolly Thanks.
 
3:58 PM
Provided we don't offend anyone of course. :)
 
dbc
What should something like this be closed as (if at all)? wrong FCP on pagespeed pageL How long does it take pagespeed to update its score ? Is it a custom Off Topic / Not Programming?
 
@Nkosi Pitchforks - Post a question on Meta that scores 100 or more
@dbc I went Customer Service
 
dbc
@Machavity Works for me.
 
4:13 PM
@dbc I was going to say general computing but prefer @Machavity customer support close reason.
 
4:28 PM
I just don't understand why someone would post in a non-English language. Maybe they don't know about the closure system?
 
@halfer Because many other forums let them. There are plugins that will detect and automatically translate, so it's not usually an issue. I think Stack Overflow might just be a little behind current technology :D
 
@halfer to make a point: English isn't the only language on the world and certainly not spoken by the majority of earthlings. Not honouring that as a site is appalling. That is why I say: Canada First!
 
@rene Somewhere, @Kyll would agree, since they speak both of his, although probably not the same way
 
4:55 PM
 
@Scratte It's not a matter of SE being behind current technology. The point is to have both questions and answers in English, so that everything happens in a single language allowing people to communicate. If it was permitted to post in whatever language you wanted and just trust in automatic machine translation, that would definitely cause additional issues, because machine translation isn't perfect, and sometimes not even good.
It's great that people can use tools to browse in their preferred language and have everything translated for them automatically, but until those automatic translations are significantly better, there needs to be a common language which is the controlling version.
I'd note that even for important documents (e.g. contracts, treaties, etc.) which are translated by humans, there is almost always a single language version which is stated as the controlling version.
 
@Makyen You're right, of course. It's best to have precise language especially when conveying information that requires unambiguity. But since broken English is good enough here, I'm guessing that some of is just google translated. When it's already translated before it enters the site, some information is lost already.
 
Ohh no. Aprils fool's is here
 
@rene It's april fools joke, right?
 
5:08 PM
I'm counting on that, yeah.
Luckily I can always switch back to the April, 1st theme from last year.
 
@dbc To be fair, I'd have voted that as need details or clarity even if it were in English.
 
White on white text. I can't read anything
 
It looks a lot like a real feature. In addition, this is prior to April 1 everywhere.
 
dbc
What's wrong with those answers by Manually reported answers by Oyetoke Tobi? They've got links to external articles but seem to summarize the answer internally.
OK, looks like one of the links is to a medium.com article that they wrote, but the answer itself looks to be a proper summary.
 
@dbc It's all content written by that user. It's hidden self-promotion
 
5:19 PM
@rene This feels like we're close to April 1st again.
 
@dbc yeah, I'm not thrilled
@dbc maybe we should just add the affiliation
 
Hmm.. they forgot to add an option for double avatars. One that will display for for users with dark mode and another for users in light mode. I need a dark mode avatar now!
 
dbc
@rene Agreed. This look OK? stackoverflow.com/a/54372826/3744182
 
@dbc yes, I've done the other two
 
What to do in each instance is going to be a judgement call. If the answer(s) are real answers that actually answer the question, then the general preference is to salvage the answer by A) commenting, informing the user of the requirement for disclosure, and allowing the user to add disclosure; B) editing in disclosure for the user, if they don't do it themselves, or are inactive on the site; C) use a custom mod-flag to allow moderators to handle it.
The overall goal is good questions and answers, without spam. Links to a more complete discussion of the issues involved are permitted, even if they are to something the user is affiliated with, if disclosed, but those need to be supplementary, not primary.
On the other hand, if the post is primarily an attempt to drive traffic to the user's site (e.g. doesn't actually answer the question), then it's not unreasonable to treat them like spam, which, in such cases, is what they are intended by the OP to be.
 
M--
 
6:00 PM
I think I'll be reverting back to the dark mode user script till the beta (cough April 1st) settles down.
 
@Machavity you hate fun?
 
@M-- I don't see any reason why it would be off-topic. It looks like a duplicate of that other post, but more importantly it's a nonsense question. For that reason I would say voting as unclear is justified, but following my role model Richard Feynman I think it can be salvaged and answered.
 
@rene Yes
 
Woot, I got to fill out a survey. In response to what about SO has unhappy, I wrote: The total disregard of the meta community, the silencing by removing the hot meta posts, the continued silencing by overruling featured posts mods are supposed to have control over, and the firing of community managers that did nothing wrong and were doing a great job. Lets see how that goes :)
 
6:17 PM
Another survey?
 
"what about SO has unhappy" missing a word?
 
Yeah, what about SO has you unhappy
@Nkosi It was just a popup, asking if I wanted to take a quick survey. Figured I would since I had complaints
 
In the middle of it right now myself
 
<insert favorite banging head against wall meme here>
 
whoa, big AF dark mode announcement banner
@Nkosi FWIW there are still 36+ hours left in March for the US so I don't think it's an April 1st joke
unless you meant something else
 
6:32 PM
@TylerH Nah, the optimistic programmer, in me is a firm believe of "If it seems to good to be true, more than likely it is."
:P
 
I have to say I don't like the ugly poop-orange color scheme of the announcements area for dark theme
 
If it lasts past the next few days I'll probably rethink it. but the tried and tested dark mode user script works wonder at the moment.
But hey more available options. yaay
 
@TylerH The "The Overflow Blog" and "Featured on Meta"?
 
yeah
 
More than likely it's real, April fools jokes shouldn't start until tomorrow. I figured they are finally doing it because the new CSS stack they are using has that functionality built in, so it's not that much more work from what they are already doing.
 
6:35 PM
Funny. I like it.. murky orange/brown/something.. with yellow undertones :)
@NathanOliver Tomorrow? There are 31 days in March.
 
@Scratte Yeah, but the site uses the first time zone to hit 4/1, which will happen tomorrow, thanks to the international date line.
Baically, if you live in the US, then all holidays on SO start a day "early".
 
Also I wish the Stack Overflow logo were still colored in dark mode
guess I should look for a post to add these requests...
 
@TylerH Yes, please do that. I agree. It shouldn't lose it's colour.
 
@Scratte It's a good idea, but is automated translation good enough for a conversation in the comments? I'd be interested in seeing that, tbf.
@rene I'm all in favour of helping everyone, and I sometimes feel a bit guilty that English is the lingua franca. But posting a language to a site that the reader knows uses another language is disruptive.
@HovercraftFullOfEels: aw, you deleted the urgent begging. I was constructing another I-WANT-A-PONY response.
Spoilsport ;-)
 
6:56 PM
@halfer It's highly likely that many FL posters don't actually know that SO doesn't accept non-English posts
 
That banner not going even though I have already completed it and also removed it manually many times is annoying.
 
for dark mode?
 
@TylerH I'm open to the possibility, but I'd be surprised all the same
 
@halfer No, but they're already going on. It's just one user constantly using google.translate :) I'm not suggesting to implement any changes. I'm just noticing that information is lost because people have translated prior to posting.
 
Maybe their experience is that "forums" accept all languages
 
7:06 PM
@TylerH No. the satisfaction survey
If I remove it manually and refresh the page it just comes back
 
Have any of you noticed that really strange looking "link" on the Profile -> Edit profile and settings -> Edit profile: To the right of the "Display name", there's the "recent names: x" that looks like it's suppose to be a dropdown, but it's not. And it's too cramped up against the field.
@Nkosi Give it to someone that wasn't asked already :D
 
lol
 
The worst thing about dark mode is chat is still in white. Switching tabs while closing is stark
 
7:24 PM
@Machavity Yeah. I turned it off because of that. I did ask on the meta post if they would bring it to chat. No word back yet.
Alright, maybe I'm loosing my mind, but can anyone see the dupe target here? For me I don't see it and it doesn't show up in the timeline or the revision history. Anyone know if that is a known bug?
 
@NathanOliver Nope not seeing a dupe target
 
Very weird. If you accept my dupe closure on your post, we can see if it happens to your post as well
 
@NathanOliver I can't see anything either
seems new
 
Alright. I get to post a second meta Q \o/
Dang, Nkosi's posts dupe banner shows up just fine
 
@NathanOliver Nah, worked fine on mine
 
7:43 PM
@M-- To prove a point I provided an answer myself. stackoverflow.com/a/60938295/1839439
 
Alright, meta Q posted
 
@M-- Can I flag by simply pinging you?
 
Doh, and its a dupe :(
 
@NathanOliver Why can't I see the dup target?
 
We don't know. Active Q on meta about it: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/395996/…
 
7:48 PM
Ohh Ok, I think I should catch up with the conversation
 
Quit socially isolating and start hanging out with us ;)
 
Should this be closed as typo? stackoverflow.com/q/60905932/1839439
@dbc OP actually transalated.
 
dbc
OK then, retracted.
@NathanOliver - can you bin this request please?
 
dbc
Thanks.
 
7:58 PM
np
 
M--
@Dharman Thanks for the answer. I've read it already.
What do you mean by "flag by pinging"?
 
@M-- Your comment. NLN
 
M--
LOL. Well you sorta did. I deleted it.
 
Nice evening :-)
 
M--
@zx485 why not let the roomba clean this?
Indeed it is nice ^__^
 
9:13 PM
I went to the kitchen for 1 minute and I missed del-pls
 
9:36 PM
Right that banner got me to a point where I just ended up having to block the element with uBlockOrigin
sheesh
 
@Nkosi Do you disallow non-session cookies? Mine dismissed fine, and then did not come back, but I have set a FF cookie exception rule for stackoverflow.com.
 
I'll look into it. I suspected it had to do with cookies.
Yes I disallow those
 
Might be worth looking into the Do Not Track setting too
 
I usually enable that one by default
 
9:54 PM
I have only 2 flags left and 1/12 of a UTC day left. This is tragic.
I for one think the follow feature is working quite nice... so far. I am getting pings when someone else comments and I can get involved in stuff I would normally not get involved in.
 
10:07 PM
I've just found an very original answer. I think I need to edit it though.. this one. It made me smile :)
 
@Scratte Urgh!
R u gonna edit it? coz it needz it
 
@halfer It's an answer.. it's just using metaphors. I'm trying to edit it.
Any Spring experts here? :)
 
10:57 PM
@Scratte I added some commas, but you did a good edit job. That's a very well-earned +2, I feel! :)
 
@AdrianMole I was wondering about that. Thank you :)
@AdrianMole I kind of liked the metaphor in it. Despite a seemingly quick write-up of their answer.
 
I also like answers with good metaphors. They generally (IMHO) indicate a good understanding of the underlying principles.
 
I'm not sure what the reviewer did.. I think they may have flagged it VLQ or something
Do you know who is the Community, that also approved the edit? Is that some automatic thing because the post was in a queue?
 
@Scratte Maybe all they did was to leave the comment (it is by the same user as the review).
"Community" approves the edit when, for example, a 2K+ user selects "Improve Edit" - that's an implicit (and immediate) approval, which doesn't need the second approver. In this case, the "Community" is (largely) a dodgy character, as it happens.
Personally, I think it would be better (certainly in your case) if my very minor edit didn't actually 'show' but just approved yours - so that you get the visible acknowledgement in the post.
 
11:13 PM
@AdrianMole Ahh.. That makes sense. I don't need my ?!? showing. It would disappear with the next edit anyway.
 
But your ?!? doesn't show anyway, in Dark Mode!
 
I was going to invert it, so the ?!? was white on dark :D I made a suggestion for two avatars for this purpose.. maybe in 6-8
 

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