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00:04
@Scratte That's pretty much how we mods make users lives miserable.
@Dharman I stopped using the USSR after about 1991.
00:31
I went back to the USSR. Flew in on BOAC. Gee it was good to be back home.
@StephenKennedy You can at least fly onboard a 747-400 with the retro BOAC livery.
Omg. Mind blown.
Of course, it won't be authentic, because no one will be smoking aboard the cabin.
 
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01:55
@KenWhite the user has edited such that this is no longer a request for off-site resources. Do you still feel it should be closed?
@Makyen It could probably use more effort, but my cv-pls isn't appropriate any longer. Can you delete it? And thanks for pointing out the edit - I hadn't gotten around to my inbox yet. I just retracted my CV on the post iitself.
1 message moved to SOCVR /dev/null, by request
@KenWhite np. It looked like you'd get to it, but I was already looking at it wrt. acting on your request, so I figured I'd double check. Yeah, I agree it could be better, but it's past the "close it now" stage. :)
 
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05:41
@InsaneCat for the record, to get the cv-pls properly formatted, you have to use [tag:cv-pls]
06:34
@InsaneCat Or install a userscript
@U10-Forward From SD report , 35 / 28 tp , 1 NAA. So yes spam.
@U10-Forward yeah it's spam
06:58
@InsaneCat please revisit socvr.org/… so your next request is up to par (and good morning to you ;) )
@rene very good morning and thank you :)
 
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08:47
Hi, Im <2K rep. And there is no more auto comment after a dupe flag. Did I miss an update?
I'm not sure there ever was
Hum no more "_Did this answer your question? .. _", will check Meta SE. Maybe a bug somewhere.
Ok so today we have no more auto comment I guess meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344946/….
09:13
@DragandDrop I am experiencing the same problem. It's worth reporting to Meta.
A similar question was asked on Meta one hour ago: meta.stackexchange.com/q/344946
@JohnDvorak there was for flags. Same as on the first non-gold badge close vote as dupe
10:17
Are we allowed to edit instead of deleting in that case, since the asker is clearly able to comprehend English?
The question being unworthy of keeping after translation notwithstanding, of course.
@JohnDvorak Generally, closing/deleting is the way to go. It's up to the poster to ask a valid question.
In this particular case, the question is garbage even if translated, of course.
 
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Morning
Pff. And people still wonder why they don't receive feedback.
@E_net4fixesyourmistakes If you play with C# instruments, you might get cut
12:19
@Machavity Gotta love the G major scale.
12:55
Woot. I am now a level 2 Necromancer
@NathanOliver I'll give you wide bearth
@NathanOliver Oooh, nice! That gives you +2 Zombies Raised per cast!
> At 2nd level, you gain the ability to reap life energy from creatures you kill with your spells. Once per turn when you kill one or more creatures with a spell of 1st level or higher, you regain hit points equal to twice the spell's level, or three times its level if the spell belongs to the School of Necromancy. You don't gain this benefit for killing constructs or undead.
@Adriaan I'm a necromances, if you're alive you're not part of my domain ;)
@NathanOliver Congratulations. You'd think one day you may become a Sorcerer, but everyone fears the Wizard.
13:00
@NathanOliver Actually... you can heal by killing Adriaan.
Got'a get that FIREBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@JohnDvorak Oh, good point. FEAR ME MORTAL lol
three HP per cast at three casts per day. Yeah.
Which helps a lot when you only have like 4-6 HP at first level.
point
I had 11 HP at start, but then again I rolled basically a Gandalf.
"rolled" ;)
13:05
... except a druid instead of wizard, a yellow-skinned psion instead of a human, maxed out WIS + 2 racial bonus, no physical strength and all other stats above average
... and an obsession with books
I'm doing the same thing right now with a hexblade warlock. 20 CHA, 14 DEX. Warlock is SOOOOO OP. Now that I'm level 11 I can sit up to 120 feet away and cast 3 eldritch blast per turn. With my stats that's average damage of 30 from a cantrip. I also have a rod of the pact keeper +2 so I have +2 to my magic attacks and +2 to their DC, which is currently 19
Then my DM decided it was cool to give me boots of flying and a ring of spell storing so now all of his plans go out the window.
@NathanOliver sounds like your DM needs to up the difficulty level of your encounters to match your OPness ;-)
the guy you were chasing turns the corner into a room and, ope, he has two pet beholders waiting for you in that room
Which is very hard to do. It doesn't take much to go from easy to kill the party.
mind flayers
13:31
Is cross posting the exact same post on SO and Spanish SO (Obviously translated) allowed?
13:49
@Adriaan yes
however if you are copying someone else's question you need to provide attribution under the license
same goes for answers
the reason it is allowed is because the two audiences do not fully overlap; there are many people who only visit one or another of the sites.
same for Japanese or Russian SO
So, an odd side effect of Stack Overflow. I've basically applied "Be nice" and targeted comments to get more information to real world conversations, and it apparently is super-effective at making me a more efficient communicator in business school. It's almost like I accidentally got Speech 100 lol.
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Wow. Someone bounty tipped me on Travel.SE
yas!
@Compass Excellent!
@Machavity RIP to the MD-88 T_T
love that plane
I'm wondering if mentions of other SE sites in here should be treated the same way as infidelity
14:03
@Compass As much as people laugh at the golden rule, you'll seldom get far in life by being a jerk
@TylerH IKR. It was such a staple of the southeast. End of an era
14:17
Heya, quick question, got 2 questions on 2 separate sites that are basically the same.
What would be the best course of action? Leave them be or close etc.
@JohnDvorak you can treat it how you like. It reminds me there is a life outside SOCVR ... do not forget.
14:39
@Thaillie If they are identical and posted by the same user, mod flag. If they're merely similar... depends. We do allow different sites to have the same question as long as it's on-topic for both sites
I think it's interesting going to business school as a software developer. Everyone else is really assertive and I fall in more with the laid back dev trope. Was a bit rough at first but I basically am on everyone's good list after a few months. I mean, my avatar is a surprisingly accurate descriptor of how much stress I normally have.
15:20
Need help finding the question inside this question.
@E_net4fixesyourmistakes teach me ... it is asking for a tutorial. Maybe it can be reworked to fit on CodeReview.se but then by asking how to optimize that code.
@E_net4fixesyourmistakes when he steps through the code, it skips a function for some reason
The last paragraph is just a signature
apparently it's a group effort and he drew the short straw of posting it
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@E_net4fixesyourmistakes My ears are still buzzing from all the noise
@E_net4fixesyourmistakes I've edited the question a bit
15:44
@SmokeDetector spam
16:15
Oh, the yellow block-quotes are gone
@Vega is that a today thing? I came back from a week off to see the change, just assumed it happened last week
I for one, am not a fan xD
I wasn't much active these days, too, but I think it's from today
@Vega @treyBake Relevant Meta
I noticed the change Monday I think
@Das_Geek Thank you, I am quite late :)
damn, I quite liked the yellow, keep missing the blockquotes now
16:19
I wasn't a fan at first but I've grown t like them. It is "cleaner" and with the vertical bar, there is enough of a visual break I don't need the background for separation anymore.
The new style is less "harsh" for the eyes when misused (aka to make headers for the code)
@M-- did you mean to post review-pls? This is the second time you've done that recently and it's unclear what action you're expecting us to take
@M-- For the record, requests are for pending edits or edits that might need to be reverted due to being bad/abusive/etc. If you are uncertain about whether a question is close-worthy, please ask in plain text... don't use a *-pls nomenclature.
@M-- To follow along with that, remember that cv-pls, del-pls and the others are all just requests to review and take the action if we decide we agree. There isn't a need to use review-pls for a specific action because of that.
16:25
@TylerH @Makyen can we update the URRS script to not add the tag from a reply's target? I only put [tag:review-pls] but it added [tag:sql-server] due to that being in the reply target...
@TylerH @M-- moved to /dev/null to prevent confusion; if you have an actionable request to make on the question, you may post that again if you like.
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16:40
Alright, My bad, I wasn't clear on review-pls usage.
@TylerH I don't think that's a good idea. I once in a while reply to a message with a cv-pls or del-pls request.
@TylerH We can. Currently, when you reply to a post and include an actual request tag, the URRS assumes you're saying the post you're replying to should be that type of request. It then treats your message as if it was the type of request which you've indicated. The Archiver also treats the combination of the two messages as a request with the hardest qualification for archiving (i.e. it doesn't archive the messages until the state of the post indicates the requests are complete).
You can get around this by using code format to indicate the request type you're talking about, rather than using the Markdown for an actual tag. For example: "That should be a review-pls" instead of "That should be a ". There is also a bit of logic to avoid having it apply to replies that are questions.
At one point, allowing people to do this was a requested feature. For example, someone posts a link and another person says "That should be a ", or SD posts a report and someone replies that it should be a . Within the URRS, implementation is full for messages which are fully within the main chat display, but the review page doesn't account for such constructs, due to only seeing the results of an SE chat search.
The Archiver, on the other hand, does implement it for all messages, as it deals with the retrieved records of all messages, rather than what is in the DOM, or relying on SE search.
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@NathanOliver right. But I wasn't sure if that should be closed and if so what reason is the best. So couldn't post a cv-pls. However, your point is taken.
16:56
Is this too close to the accepted answer to be worth editing?
17:15
@BhargavRao Can you explain why you deleted my post?
Is the question on-topic? It looks a bit too open-ended to start with.
@Adám Your answer is just a bunch of links. Answers should be self contained and your is not.
@NathanOliver The question asks for references, but I agree that it needs more content on its own. If all the links broke it would be useless.
> If there are, I'd love for references.
@Adám Requests for references are off-topic for SO.
17:18
@E_net4removesmeta-commentary OK, that's fair, but why delete the answer rather than the question then?
Because mods usually don't delete questions unless they're spam or obvious crap. This doesn't qualify.
@Adám Separate moderation mechanisms, I suppose.
I am curious as to whether there is an "APL way" of writing parsers seems opinion-based. I would vote for that.
@Adám True, but you could include an excerpt that gives them the jist of how it works and provide the link for more/in-depth detail.
Also, wouldn't it be reasonable for a mod to leave a comment explaining the deletion? Especially if the post clearly is well-meaning and does answer the question, though the question may be off-topic.
17:20
Not if the answer only contains links.
Mods have a lot of stuff on their plate. Can't expect a message every time
Considering the amount of posts and comments they need to handle every day, a line needs to be drawn.
great, now I have Patrick Stewart in my head
This seems counter-productive though. It doesn't educate new users to become productive contributors. Just makes them turned off and frustrated.
17:23
:)
Just mod-flag if you have anything against it. We're not the ones that deleted your answer. The help pages exist for a reason.
@Adám We get that a lot. But then again, it doesn't scale and often makes even more people frustrated with the extra arguing.
@S.S.Anne I did ping the one that did ;-)
@Adám We can't hold evryone's hand. That dosen't scale. We do have this which covers that there should be more than just links in the Provide context for links section.
Mods don't frequent chat rooms. Don't expect them to.
17:26
@S.S.Anne Of course, but the ping auto-complete suggested that specific user first for the letter "b", so I figured I had a fair chance of catching them.
17:37
@Adám Because it was a bunch of links. I'd have closed and deleted the question if it was just a resource request, but it wasn't.
@Adám "If there are"
You can post an answer and add the links as "reference"
@BhargavRao Ah, I think I get what you mean now.
Anyway, closed as opinion-based ¯\_(⍨)_/¯
Also, a small SOCVR tip here socvr.org/faq#GEfM-no-mod-ping
The SOCVR effect strikes again.
I'm personally fine, but it isn't the best way to communicate with moderator actions.
OK TIL.
17:57
@NathanOliver One of your five lights burned out and you forget how many you have again? :P
18:22
@Makyen That assumption by URRS seems wrong to me. I think rather if we want users to be making requests, they should be expected to explicitly/intentionally make that request rather than just reply to someone else's message that contains a link. Just MHO...
Forgive me, for I have sinned edited a Jon Skeet answer...
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I felt bad when I flagged some of his comments as "No longer needed"
The did insta-poof, in my defense
18:52
It's a good day when I can write "for some dumb, unexplained reason" in my company's documentation site.
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for internal use, of course
faceplants into a pie
so you're saying I shouldn't be playing Yankee Swap with used tissues?
Hey now, it said nothing about that. Although touching hands is apparently frowned upon
19:19
Thoughts on this HW question? stackoverflow.com/questions/60642847/…
Not great, not necessarily VLQ
Is "off topic" suitable for this? Or is needs more details more appropriate? stackoverflow.com/q/60643231/8239061
@SecretAgentMan Needs more details, probably. Unless you want to go with "no MCVE". But they're not debugging something, they're asking "how to".
@Das_Geek Yeah, I think you're right. Ty
@Compass So, you go around leaving post-it notes saying, “Welcome to Compass’s house! Thank your for sharing your thoughts. In the future, please try to…” everywhere?
@CodyGray More like: "Does this answer your question? stackoverflow.com/how-to-wipe-feet"
@S.S.Anne Citation required. I do, however, tend to hold off on deleting questions that I think might be salvageable by an edit, even a major rewrite. I recommend others to do the same: the point of closure is to give the asker a chance to rethink their question to comply with our requirements.
not quite, lol, that would be funny
@Adám The system already leaves this message for us in the form of a link to the Help Center article on why answers may be deleted, saving us a lot of time. (A SO mod handling the “not an answer” flag queue will generally delete a hundred or more answers a day. A personalized comment for each of these is not scalable, nor is it necessary. A system-provided message leads to less arguments and bellyaching than a one-off mod comment.)
@Adám The advice you were given to raise another mod flag is not great advice. This is not a good way to get a moderator to reconsider their decision. And in this case, your re-flag was summarily declined because the deletion was completely correct and in keeping with our standards. If you want a discussion or explanation, please ask a question on Meta.
@gunr2171 Hmm, weird. For me, it’s a good day when I have a reason I can cite.
@Das_Geek You can’t close as a duplicate of the Help Center, unfortunately. It’s a major annoyance on Meta.
20:12
@CodyGray I'll bet. Every time I think about helping out in answering Meta questions I'm met with a wall of [duplicate] and [closed] and I think to myself: "Maybe when I've been around the block a bit more"
@rene How in the world did you find that remark of mine in the Python room? Surely someone tipped you off? For you cannot possibly follow all activity in all SO chat rooms...
flower power is strong
@Das_Geek Sorry, that’s prolly me. I dupe tons of Meta questions. It definitely helps when you’ve been around the block so many times you remember every flower and shrub. You, too, can help look for duplicates. :-)
I blame my epic search fu
You searched in chat for all mention of elections?
20:17
grep -ri "election" /
ez
@CodyGray would you be uncomfortable if I told you I stalk you? Don't look back, I'm right behind you ...
@Das_Geek Sure. Reading the results is the hard part.
True. I find myself adding the -l flag to most initial greps
@CodyGray yes, and it needed to be someone credible ... okay ... not sure if that worked ;)
@rene That was the admission I was looking for. I picture you have a giant screen scrolling across all messages I type.
Yeah, you might need to refine the credibility heuristics
20:18
working on that
rene has arcane ways of finding things out. Don't ask
@rene Heh, I get it. "Stalk", because flowers. Heh
Just wait until he starts telling you about his peduncle
@CodyGray rene is Chris Hansen?
@Das_Geek Haha. English is fun, because words never mean what you think they mean.
20:25
"Tonight, on CloseLine SO, rene sets a trap for bad questions and you'll be shocked which ones get closed"
(This is how I define fun. YMMV.)
@Machavity Spoiler alert: all of them.
@Machavity "Why don't you take a seat in this penalty box over here? Go ahead, just take a seat."
Mods having fun? Not sure about that ... is there a "CM" flag I can raise?
You have to use Twitter, @AdrianMole
20:29
That way there will be no fun for anyone.
Fun is not welcome here! This is a "Repository of ..."
Hah, @rene, looks like your attempt to avoid painting the bikeshed worked. It’s refreshing to see a status-completed tag every once in a while.
@AdrianMole What if building a repository is fun?
Does not compute - error 400.
@CodyGray yeah, this is the second time I managed to get a small feature done by pinging Yaakov.
Meanwhile, Sam’s been lighting the farm on fire to try to get a feature implemented. Curious how that’ll work out.
20:45
As long as Sam doesn't get burned ...
We’re all getting burned by it
Mods, reviewers, everyone.
looks like it to me
@NathanOliver I am getting mixed feedback. It looks like it is on-topic, but a mod just closed it.
@Dharman Doesn’t seem like it has enough to reproduce. It’s attracting guess answers.
I could be persuaded otherwise by a subject matter expert. But based on what I see, it’s incomplete.
21:41
Can anyone think of a good/better title for this C#/ASP.NET question? i.sstatic.net/O6NGt.png Seems hard to title to me. (or if you happen to know the solution/a good existing duplicate, that works too)
@TylerH maybe "How does the Page Event Life cycle interfer with my SelectIndexChanged() method?'
@TylerH I can't find how to close that question...
How do you take screenshots of the whole website?
@rene not bad
@Dharman Firefox has a button in dev tools; it's a camera icon at the top right
there are various extensions for both Firefox and Chrome as well to do that
@Dharman At least in Firefox, there's a button which you can click in the devtools. However, the button isn't enabled by default, so you have to go to the devtools settings and enable it.
21:53
@CodyGray hopefully as a duplicate...
@Makyen ah I forget that it still isn't enabled by default. I made heavy use of the Firefox CLI for fullpage screenshots and more, so when they did away with the CLI, I was specifically looking out for native replacement functionality to arrive.
@TylerH IIRC correctly there is an event before pageload that deserializes control state and there it is decided which events on each control will be run. Based on what I see in the screenshot I suspect that after page_load control state is changed but there are also events fired. I remember I kept state flags myself in the page instance to skip over event code based on those state flags.
Chrome has it too. I didn't even know
@Dharman looks like you were a serial voting victim 13 hours ago
Yeah, it was a crazy day. I got serially upvoted then serially downvoted.
oof
@rene I'll definitely at least hold off on posting it til tomorrow morning; want to be available to respond and also have a bit more reading/searching to do before I'd consider posting
after all, posting a question on Stack Overflow should be a most shameful last resort :-D
for now, I'm off o/
@Dharman Yes, Chrome has the capability. You have to run one of the screenshot commands from "Run command" from within Chrome's devtools (Shift-Ctrl-P with devtools open or "Run command" from the devtools extras menu), or have an extension that exposes a button.
@Dharman Did you know that it is possible to hide the stupid, space-wasting left sidebar?
What do you mean space-wasting?
@TylerH On a slightly more serious note, is that a userscript that's turning the background of the "Ask" page a solid black? I thought it had some cartoony drawings of question marks.
@Dharman Uh, that left sidebar that has "Stack Overflow", "Tags", "Jobs", your teams, etc. It takes up space on the left side of the page. You can remove it in your user profile's settings, and then you access it by clicking a hamburger menu in the top-left corner of the page, which causes it to drop down.
I tried it, but it only hides it. The question view is still the same width, so there is no improvement. and now if I have to search for users it is one more click
22:15
@Dharman Hmm, well, I guess it helps on narrow viewports.
22:26
@Dharman I didn't know, therefore flagged answer via Natty as VLQ, I did a CV on the question before
@CodyGray yes it's a half-implemented user style (half implemented because half the screen is black and half is white)
@rene of course, as soon as I stopped working on the problem and went home, it dawned on me that it is simply updating the select command, then firing the debug.writeline line, and then doing the postback which causes the ondatabind of the sql list to use the new selectcommand
@Vickel That is good too, but if the question gets deleted then there was little point in flagging the answer.
@Dharman ok, sure, less work for mods... the problem is I see these Q/A pairs alive for ever, sometimes
If the question gets deleted before your VLQ flag on an answer gets processed, then there’s no more work for mods. The VLQ flag is automatically dismissed as helpful.
22:32
@CodyGray the user style turns the background black, hides the header with the childish robots, replaces the "Ask a public question" blurb with the old, slightly bigger "Ask a question" blurb at the top. If I had tons of free time I'd replace the "review your question" button with one that actually posted the question
Roomba will pick it up in 10 days unless the answer gets accepted. The VLQ flag will be handled probably today.
@Dharman so what's the conclusion in this case? flag or not flag the answer too?
either way is fine with me. I usually wait for roomba to pick it up and if not I ask here for delv.
can't delv
not yet, but you can in 2 days
22:36
6-8 years
delv is 10k limited right?
yup, and there's also 10k vs 20k (time limit on newly closed questions, and answer delvotes)
I promise I work on the 6-8 years, but is not in a mood answering questions at the moment
@TylerH Do you really ask enough questions for it to be worth the time? I...don’t think I’ve asked a question since the ask page styling changed. Heh.

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