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1:04 AM
Is this ok here?
 
1:18 AM
@Scratte If you're asking if it's on-topic, then, no, it is off-topic.
 
 
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4:01 AM
@Vega: You do realize SmokeDetector is a bot, right? It's not going to converse with you. :-)
 
@KenWhite Haha :) It's only to have a reference to what I am talking about. Otherwise it would be even worst, talking to myself ;)
 
@KenWhite If you have a Metasmoke account, the non-feedback content of a reply to a SmokeDetector report is added as a comment on the Metasmoke post record. Thus, replying to reports with text comments is actually common in Charcoal HQ.
 
 
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6:07 AM
@Shree I am surprised it got thru the "First Posts" review queue
 
:)
 
6:23 AM
@Vega The "First Posts" and "Late Answers" queues really don't do all that much. It's just one person looking at the post while able to perform the normal actions which anyone can when viewing a post. So, those queues really just start the ball rolling if the post is a problem (e.g. the reviewer can flag the post).
 
 
@Makyen In my opinion, "First Posts" reviewer job is to detect big anomalies. While it's hard to always see if the post is too broad or has an MRE or even clear enough to be answered in one post, that post lacks almost everything. It is blatantly flaggable but nothing was done. From where my surprise. Almost a robotic review :(
 
7:23 AM
@Vega The "First Posts" reviewer did actually do something with the post to indicate there were problems. We can't tell what their action was, but if they did nothing then it would indicate a "No Action Needed" result (example) rather than "Reviewed". The First Posts reviewer may have done everything right for this question. We just don't know.
On the question we're talking about, the issue I have is with the "Requires Editing" result given by two users in Triage. I've raised a mod-flag at least about one of the users, as they definitely have a pattern of bad reviews. I haven't gotten to checking the other user yet.
 
7:50 AM
@Makyen Aah, "Reviewed" - so they possibly flagged instead of close voting? There is not much to do, either cv/flag, either edit, either make it pass. Later two are excluded apparently
Oh, wait, there is voting, too
Which is not enough IMO
 
Yeah, First Posts and Late Answers are basically the same as what the user could do if they were viewing the post normally, or "No Action Needed"/"Looks OK". Yeah, it's really not enough, but a flag at least starts the post moving in the right direction. As to this user, yes they may have raised a close-flag, as they need another 44 rep to be able to close-vote.
 
Thank you @Makyen for all your great explanations. As always, they helped indeed to understand the situation :)
 
8:09 AM
@Vega np. I'm glad I was able to help. :)
 
@Makyen If you run for moderator, I will support your candidature without hesitancy :)
 
8:28 AM
@Vega Thanks. :)
 
8:49 AM
@Makyen Thank you. I added this to my review check-list :) I got the answer in review, but it was just answering the Question, so I didn't want to flag it. Then I set my eye's on the Question instead
@Makyen @Vega Reviewed doesn't always mean something is wrong with the post. If I see a good Answer/Question in review I'll upvote it. Those will also have a "Reviewed", not a "No actions needed"
 
@jps Spam ?
 
@Scratte I thought the other way around: reviewed -> passed, which should've been correct for that post. However, as Makyen explained, they may have flagged as such
 
@Shree Certainly looks like spam - but there is no url, phone number or email (or even company name) - which is a bit odd
 
@Scratte True. "Reviewed" means you did something, rather than "No Action Needed". There are lots of things the reviewer may have done, only a few of which can be seen by other users (e.g. add a comment). Most of the other things which a reviewer in those queues might do are not things which other people, particularly non-moderators, can directly associate with the reviewer. For this specific question, we just have to hope*/*assume that what the reviewer indicated problems.
 
Can one more person please close this? It's starting to have useless answers stackoverflow.com/questions/60409795/…
 
9:02 AM
@Vega I'm only in the "Late Answers". I can see that whenever I press "I'm Done", I get a "Reviewed" in my history and in the link to the reviewed post. It doesn't matter what I did: comment, flag, downvote or upvote. I wasn't talking about that particular post :) I never hesitate to UpVote a good post. In the beginning I got confused about it, and opened the post after, just to realize that it was my upvote that made it "Reviewed" :)
@Makyen Yes. I couldn't find a link to the review for that post. At least it's closed now.
 
jps
@Shree why spam? you mean the guy with the encrypted hd?
 
Question is about sell product. Also offer discount if contact with in 72 hour .Worthy to red flag not CV ? Any way closed now.
 
@IslamElshobokshy While I understand your frustration, please don't "bump" requests.
 
@Shree It's about someone else who's being told to buy a product, not them telling us to buy it
 
ohhh. Ok
 
jps
9:18 AM
@shree : I think the guy just suffered a malware attack and was blackmailed to pay $$$ for the key. He just cited the "friendly" offer he got.
 
@Scratte If the review is totally complete (i.e. all needed responses are in), then there will be an entry in the post's timeline with a link to the review. If the review is not complete, then there's no link available to non-moderators, unless someone left a "From Review" auto-comment, which has a link. The only other place such links are available is in the review history pages either for each review queue, or for each individual reviewer.
 
or in any of the aggregate pages like under the All heading of the All Activity tab of a reviewers profile
 
@Makyen Right. I'm not familiar with the higher rep review queues, but I suppose it's similar to the Triage (but without the canned comment).
 
@NickA Good point. I'd intended to be lumping those in with history pages, but I should have been more explicit. Thanks.
@Scratte They are all basically similar, but focus on the type of review for which they are each named.
 
Except H&I... which has nothing to do with H&I and more to do with frustration and pain
 
9:30 AM
@Makyen I just tried to see if the review could be identified through the id, but cunningly the id of the review doesn't match the id of the question/answer :)
 
Indeed, the review ids are a separate sequential list to posts... you'd be searching for a long time
I also think its an id per review, not an id per review per queue (as in every id is used, but the same id isn't reused in multiple queues)
 
@NickA That makes sense. Don't use fields for separate purposes :)
 
 
10:41 AM
along with no details or clarity
 
11:10 AM
 
Is this allowed here? I'm not entirely happy about the link to the code (that insistently also gives an error)
 
Questions should be self-contained and answerable without needing to go to an external resource.
There's a specific off-topic reason for this. =)
Also, I'd be seriously wary about downloading anything from someone's google/dropbox/whatever drive.
 
@J.Steen I'm not really sure what happens in my brain when I see these things. I think something breaks in there and I'm unable to see the big picture or the notes I wrote to myself earlier about this sort of thing.. Maybe I just handle "badly" badly. I get all ?!?
@J.Steen Thank you. I'm sure I asked something similar once before in here. As soon as you answered my brains went into: Duh..
 
No worries!
 
11:30 AM
/o
 
 
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12:38 PM
@IslamElshobokshy Holy moly, sharing plaintext passwords with non-originating users.
 
1:11 PM
Morning
 
1:59 PM
 
2:25 PM
I submitted an edit for ^. It's probably in the queue now.
 
2:35 PM
How worried should I be about having raised a custom flag about plagiarism that may age away? Is it sort of ok that it's not handled if the post is old?
 
@Scratte Mod flags don't age away
I've had one that took 30+ days to handle before.
 
@NathanOliver Thank you :) I'm not worried anymore now :)
 
Old question NO new activity; just expecting your opinion. With reference to this question, all answers are duplicate (with minor writing style changes) in principle except the one (second top voted after accepted one). What course of action (if any) applicable here?
 
@AmitJoshi I'd leave it alone. All answers were posted within a minute or two of each other
 
2:48 PM
Hi together o/
 
I prefer to say hi on my own o/
 
I was distracted the last few days. Did we have a strike?
 
@honk Postponed pending review of SE's actions
 
@NickA Thanks! So Teresa's post was on time, I guess ;)
 
@InsaneCat You don't need access to the graveyard. We move your completed requests there and the system sends you a notice. We can't control that
 
3:12 PM
@honk Yes, you missed it. We marched around Tavern yelling "Free Monica Cellio!" until JourneymanGeek banned us
 
@Machavity Damn! I always miss the best...
 
4:58 PM
@Machavity What do we want?! When do we want it?! :=)
Get your foghorns and placards at the ready
 
M--
5:36 PM
@TylerH what's the (N-1)th dupe that this one's blocking it? O__o
 
M--
I know, it was in the banner. I meant "this one" seems like a good sign post. 39k views p.s. sorry, I should've been more direct :)
 
n*(n-1) triangle numbers, anyone?
 
@M-- In this situation it's a case of too many options: some people will invariably pick option B if presented with option A and B even if A is better (aside from which, I'm not asking for delete votes on that one [which would require 10], just on this other, low value one, which only requires 3)
the primary reason for the request is that it's low value and an nth dupe, which is why I mentioned that first
 
M--
@TylerH I have nothing against deleting the one you requested already. But the other one, I'd say keep it. (Basically, arguing against blocking deletion reason you had in your request)
@TylerH Alrighty then, we are fine :D
 
 
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7:29 PM
They changed the colours again?
 
@Dharman For code highlighting, yes. See: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/344238/…
 
I don't like orange. It is not strong enough.
 
What's wrong with bright, saturated colors? They add energy, and having more saturation makes it easier to distinguish from the other colors (like the dark red).
Where is that orange even used? I've never seen it in any of the code I read on SO.
 
@CodyGray It is bright orange on bright grey.
See the SQL in the above post for example.
 
@Dharman I think that's the red, not the orange. The middle color in the post at meta.
 
7:45 PM
Yup, what @Scratte said. That's the red.
That's the color used for string literals. I see that all the time. I actually like it being a bit brighter.
In my own preferred syntax highlighting, all literals are bright, screamy colors, as if to say, "WHY ARE YOU HARDCODING THIS?"
 
No, it's #c02d2e. The middle one is #9C1724 and the orange is #F2720C
 
@CodyGray HTML attributes use the orange; see stackoverflow.com/a/60419977/2756409
 
Then where is the #c02d2e coming from?
 
@Dharman that's the red-600 variable
 
Yes, but it is not part of the image on Meta post
red-700 or red-800 would be better
 
7:54 PM
The color is probably just red, but the -### suffixes are most likely different hues of the base color
The base --red color is #d1383d color-hex.com/color/d1383d
Check line 2170 of stacks.css for the full color variable declarations
 
8:15 PM
 
@TylerH: why those colour variables? Those are to the style colors. Also: stackoverflow.design/product/base/colors
 
@MartijnPieters What do you mean by "why those color variables"?
 
@TylerH Why did you add the base colours in the meta post?
 
@Dharman because there was confusion and images don't provide the ability to inspect for hex values
 
8:30 PM
@TylerH Yes, they do. :D in chrome inspector.
There's still confusion, even more I would say.
 
@Dharman I thought you wanted the red (orange) darker.
 
@Dharman where in Chrome Inspector are you able to see hex values for the colors in the image?
 
@Scratte Turns out they put a wrong color in the image. The middle one is the one I am after, but in the image they have put darker red than it really is.
@TylerH The color pipette.
 
I don't know of such a feature, can you be a bit more specific or share a screenshot of where this color pipette is located?
 
@TylerH See here: imgur.com/7FKiATm
 
8:34 PM
sorry, I can't access imgur at work unless it's i.stack.imgur specifically
 
There are no one-box rules in the Ministry :)
 
@TylerH Same here, for some odd reason
 
@Dharman You get that view when you select the image? It looks like you're selecting actual HTML that has color applied
 
@TylerH Yes, but anywhere if you open the color palette the cursor changes to pipette.
 
8:38 PM
Ah, that's interesting
However, that seems to have the annoying effect, upon selecting a different color, of actually changing the value in that session for the stored variable
But then again that's probably the intended use of the tool, rather than use as a "what color is that" tool
At any rate, it's moot as Aaron edited the post again, though with somewhat dubious reasoning IMO
 
@TylerH Maybe they were listed in the wrong order compared to the image.. additionally you listed 8, and there are only 7 on the image.
 
The reasoning he gave was that the colors are subject to change so it doesn't do much good to list the hex values.
I think that's dubious reasoning because if the colors change then the image itself is useless too, at least without a point-in-time reference as to what they were
 
I agree. I would be nice if the hex values were listed with the colours.
 
@TylerH The image is gone now too
 
:facedesk:
 
8:50 PM
@TylerH Because those are not the colours used in the syntax highlighting scheme.
 
@MartijnPieters They are the base colors
upon which other color variables, including the ones used in syntax highlighting, are based
 
@Dharman probably because I pointed out they were not the actual colours ;-)
Designers love programmers bikeshedding. Or so I'm told.
 
@MartijnPieters I like the Solarized Light and VS Code. Why can't we have these instead?
 
@TylerH yes, but that's just muddying the waters.
 
I don't see how it's muddying the waters to state "here are the new base colors. Variations to them exist using this format --### (with an example)" but whatever
 
8:53 PM
@Dharman probably because it is better to do this change in smaller increments.
 
@TylerH @M-- binned per your request
 
M--
Thank you
 
ahh, wholesale plagiarism
been a little while since I've run into such a long copy text on SO
 
9:05 PM
The only way everyone will be happy with the colours would be to have individual settings with an option to go back to default when users accidentally messes it up.
 
@Scratte User-choosable skins, like phpBB forums circa 2005? I'm so down
 
@TylerH I'm not sure it I'm too old or not old enough to know what that is
 
better days
before people were on the internet
 
too old then.. must have been the period when I had a life.
 
Mmm, Solarized Light, with its warm yellowish background, would look so good on SO.
 
9:11 PM
just apply f.lux styles to the frontend of the site
 
@CodyGray No, not the yellow background. The dark one is better.
 
I'm no web developer at all, but couldn't this be fixed with a userscript?
 
@Dharman The dark one is Solarized Dark...
@Scratte No, because I cannot run userscripts on my phone. Also, userscripts cannot fix what other people see when they view the site.
 
9:37 PM
@CodyGray You're so funny :)
@CodyGray I meant for people that wanted dark purple with pink text or whatever preference they have. Then the site can use whatever colors are standard and approved. But you've basically answered my question with a yes :)
 
Sure, yeah, you can make your own view of the site look ugly and unreadable. I can’t help you from yourself.
 
I think it's called "difference in preference", not "ugly and unreadable" :D
 
Why would you prefer something that is ugly and unreadable?
 
..I should have known not to drink anything in front of my screen.
 
@CodyGray what phone do you have?
 
10:02 PM
Talking about drinking ... I have an appointment to talk to Lisa (UX project) in about a half an hour! Any tips? Or should I just "be me?" (I've had a few beers, but not too many.)
 
You mean the Stack Overflow UX interview things?
 
That's the one! Got told I was "too late," bit then got invited to talk anyway! Are they (note pronoun, @Cody) just being 'nice'?
 
@AdrianMole I mean, it sounds like they had an available slot
otherwise they wouldn't have invited you
probably someone else dropped out or was busy
As for tips, yes just be you
try not to be drunk
 
@TylerH Indeed - and I chose the latest available.
 
when I've had interviews w/ SO people before it was just a Skype session for 30 - 45 minutes talking with folks about the site and my experiences/thoughts
 
10:06 PM
Time zones are frequently misunderstood by our 'trans-Atlantic' cousins.
 
@AdrianMole Is it a video call or a voice call?
 
It's a "Google Hangout" - never done that before! (Every day's a school-day, huh.)
 
Sounds like a video call
 
I forgot that was still a thing
Google killed Hangouts a while ago I thought
oh, they punted until Dec 2020
 
@TylerH No, they called it something else before Hangout. Can't remember the name though
 
10:10 PM
OK! Going into "mute mode" - Om Shankara. Back afterwards.
 
@Scratte Well, they had several different apps over the years that they've unceremoniously killed, all just for chat
see killedbygoogle.com for an exhaustive (and depressing) list
 
@TylerH iPhone 6S.… Some day I may upgrade, if I can find one that fits in my hand. And my budget.
 
the predecessor to hangouts was just Chat. Text messages in which were searchable in gmail...
 
The one I'm most nostalgic about was Google Wave. They didn't even give it a proper time to thrive
 
I only knew about and miss their feed reader
 
10:15 PM
@TylerH I used some version of video calls when I was far far away east for video calls to the west. We tried several. Google's seemed to be the only one that kept an ok connection.
 
10:25 PM
 
10:45 PM
@CodyGray iPhone 13. Now with 10.1" screen and keyboard cover
 
11:22 PM
... Wow!
 
@AdrianMole How did it go?
 
did the beers help?
 
Did you tell them about the bright red color?
 
Were you yourself? :)
 
@Everyone - It went very well! I was seriously impressed with Lisa's b/g knowledge.
@Scratte No! I was YOU!
 
11:28 PM
bold move
 
The "H & I" queue kept popping up, tho!
 
Help & Vampire queue
 
Actually - and we did discuss this - the problem is not, of itself, the H&I queue! It's that darned "Requires Editing" thing in Triage.
My take was that if, in Triage, I see a post that I want to edit (there and then), I should click "Requires..."
@Andreas I made a post about beer - but it cause a server fault and was rejected. Hmmph.
 
@AdrianMole Isn't that what the help says in Triage?
 
Not everyone reads the help! Famous motto of the established academic: "If all else fails, read the instructions!"
But, seriously, this kind of engagement with the Community (aka "Calamity" - got that in Glasgow, tonight) can only ever be a good thing.
 
11:41 PM
@AdrianMole True. I think it should be more emphasized in the help though. I read the help and was still confused, but I might just be slow ;) I'm sorry you were me :D
 

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