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1:06 AM
@Nkosi How is that a resource request? It might be too broad, or no MCVE, but I don't see anything there that's requesting an off-site resource.
 
2:01 AM
@TylerH Check the commit history. Maybe someone changed something behind your back.
 
M--
2:44 AM
Would you close this as a duplicate of one of the questions I commented below the post?
I was in the middle of editing the list of dupes when another gold-badger reopened :|
 
3:42 AM
hi
 
 
2 hours later…
 
3 hours later…
8:54 AM
@WiktorStribiżew not being a Python dev I have to pass on that one.
 
@WiktorStribiżew I can't see the data, so I don't know how to reproduce it.
 
@Dharman OP confirms indirectly that the only problem is the . not matching line breaks. Well, yes, the way the question is written, it is more unclear than a dupe.
 
9:10 AM
Did anyone else have to prove they're "not a Robot" today while answering a Question?
 
@Scratte I barely woke up. I haven't had time to answer any questions yet.
 
@Dharman I found a solution in my sleep, I'm barely awake too. Maybe I am a robot
 
@DalijaPrasnikar Can I ask what has happened to the target question? Why was there a content dispute?
 
The reCAPTCHA had two sets of images.. pretty strange since I'd think it would be uncanning for a script alone to gain reputation.
 
@Scratte are you on a shared IP? I don't recall I ever had a not a robot captcha, in normal operation that is. When I'm bored I do visit stackoverflow.com/captcha
 
9:17 AM
@rene Yes and no. It depends, so it's hard to tell really. But good point. This is the first time I've ever done this while answering though.
 
@Scratte You don't need rep to answer. You don't need an account to answer.
 
@Dharman. I guess I just assumed there was a check to see if there was an account, as I can only recall being a maybe robot once before :)
 
9:33 AM
@Dharman I am not sure what you mean with "content dispute" Original question was closed as unreproducible (temporary glitch with online service) it does not hold any long term values. But before it can be removed, all its duplicates must be removed first.
 
@DalijaPrasnikar See the timeline: stackoverflow.com/posts/60261949/timeline
And it's almost reopened again
 
I see, don't know anything about it.
 
10:07 AM
Does it qualify as "new activity" for a question if the asker was trolling in chat? The question itself is a dupe from December.
 
I'd say no, new activity is activity on the question, but 2 months isn't a very long time
 
I checked the FAQ but I didn't see an exact figure for "recent" actiity :(
 
@AndrasDeak what? No, there is a whole paragraph by Makyen
 
bah, I was looking in the wrong place then, sorry
@rene halp
 
10:25 AM
@AndrasDeak well, turns out it was Makyen but his monologues still need to find a place in the FAQ: chat.stackoverflow.com/…
 
Phew! Thanks.
OK, so October 2019 was "a bit old" in January. This means December 2019 is probably "a bit old" in February.
 
that sounds a bit right, yeah
 
So recent is, say...around 2 months. Or maybe just 1.
 
@AndrasDeak I think 6 to 8 weeks would be an awesome compromise
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heh
 
10:38 AM
Good Moaning
so we have 4 days to go until The Great SE Chaos ? :>
 
@kayess read the top pin :P
 
@AndrasDeak oh carp, I have already ordered some tons of corn seeds :p
 
Don't cancel your order just yet
 
10:56 AM
@sideshowbarker Does it? I was under the impression it was written in the HTML section and just outputs the code as text
And when put in the code section returns a CORS error as mentioned
 
ah nm that one
 
plop yourself
 
@Kyll poing!
 
11:33 AM
Information request by a dummy: When "Yaakov" says his email is "Yaakov@..." is the part after the @ (a) "stackoverflow.com" (b) "stackoverflow.email" or (c) something else?
 
Rob
@AdrianMole @stackoverflow.com
 
@AdrianMole i would imagine .com but I don't have any particular insight; presumably you'll get a bounce if you guess wrong
 
I tried the ".email" version (that's the domain whence they send stuff to me) - I'll see if I get it bounced.
 
@AndrasDeak I misread that as "php yourself".. ! Now that would have been offensive
 
oh my
 
11:53 AM
@AdrianMole SO.com or SE.com
 
@Mithical Four options so far! Any advance? :)
 
I mean, I know it'll work for either @stackoverflow.com or @stackexchange.com; no idea about stackoverflow.email
 
He'll probably end up marking me as a spammer.
 
@AdrianMole lucky you !!/allspam stackoverflow.com/users/10871073 is prohibited in this room ...
@AdrianMole I got an email from SE staff y'day and it says: @stackexchange.com so I suggest using that.
 
@AdrianMole It's either stackoverflow.com or stackexchange.com you can also use either yaakov or yellis... I asked
If it's about the review queue stuff, I believe you're too late however
 
12:06 PM
Thanks, folks. I guess the stackoverflow.com one will get through, then.
@NickA Yeah, I probably am. But I had a wee 'nudge' from a former employee about the project, so I thought I'd offer my 'services'.
 
@AdrianMole I got an email from Lisa yesterday thanking me for taking part
 
12:40 PM
I already placed delete request two days back; but was rejected because two days waiting is needed after closing. Now, this question is eligible for delete. Please review.
 
12:56 PM
@rene Did you get suspended?
 
@Dharman no comment
 
1:11 PM
Morning
rene is the primary candidate for SO's new Bringing users into focus initiative.
 
@RiggsFolly Smells like spam...
 
1:28 PM
Well now.
 
Can you write luncheon meat in Lua?
 
@Machavity I voted as spam, but I am having second thoughts. Would you mind giving more background?
 
@Machavity Where is the undisclosed affiliation?
 
@NathanOliver Note their user icon. And they've posted a link on SU around the same time
 
2:11 PM
And? Where is the undisclosed affiliation? They say my and mine before and after the links.
 
@S.S.Anne It's not in source control (that's another fun issue). In reality, I know that something must have changed; code doesn't just 'stop working'. It's just frustrating because I think I know exactly what changed, and it shouldn't be causing the issue. I ran it in the test env, made an atomic change, it broke, undid the change, and it didn't unbreak.
 
@Machavity I mean we can edit the link out if it is an eyesore, but what is undisclosed about it? They signed their message with a link unaware that this is not allowed. Only 2 posts across the network does not make it spam. Just being unaware of the rules.
 
@Machavity Also the SU post was 3 months ago. This answer is from a year ago.
 
Blastfurnace has already removed the signature
 
Really, a mod nuked it. I don't get it.
 
2:17 PM
It's gone and I am still not sure if it should really be gone.
 
I really disagree.
 
♦ Jean considered it was spam - consensus of the Community!
 
@AdrianMole How do you know who it was?
 
Because it says it was "deleted by..."
 
Yes, community, which is the 6 spam flags by us. I see no mod interference
 
2:19 PM
@AdrianMole It does say Community♦., not Jean
Oh, it has an upvote so most likely no mod. I'm going to mod flag.
 
Oops - my page refreshed but forgot to scroll - I was looking at the previous deleted message. Sorry, Jean.
 
@Dharman Fair enough. I did miss the disclosure
 
Alright, mod flag in. Just wait and see time now.
I did add FP feedback to MS as well
 
Now, THAT was spam.
 
(or needs more details, one or t'other :P)
 
2:30 PM
@treyBake Sorry, I went with needs focus
 
@Dharman no worries! :)
 
@Dharman Looks like Revenge Downvote Thursday is a thing, too :-)
 
2:47 PM
@TylerH My condolences.
Hopefully this doesn't become a streak
 
Revenge Downvote = LOVE
 
@TylerH Why is it addressed to me?
 
you got a downvote on your question from the 12th
 
M--
3:18 PM
Can we get a list of questions that are closed and protected at the same time? #query
 
@M-- Live or in SEDE?
 
M--
Live is better but either is fine
 
I don't know that you'd be able to filter by protected in SEDE, as viewing all protected questions is a 15k rep priv
 
@Das_Geek It's not. Anyone can view protected questions.
 
@Dharman Hm, maybe if you knew the PostNoticeId?
 
3:25 PM
@Dharman Sorry, bad tab-complete behavior; I meant to @Das_Geek :-)
 
:)
 
M--
This is for protected ones. But for protected and closed at the same time...?
 
You would add something like AND ClosedDate NOT NULL
Though I don't know if that would account for posts that have been reopened
 
@Dharman Exactly what I did :)
 
3:30 PM
The only thing is it doesn't account for unprotected ones
 
M--
@Dharman @Das_Geek Thanks. I made mine too, LOL. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/1199272
 
:)
 
M--
A follow-up question; I found out that questions that are protected and closed are likely to be blatantly off-topic (attracting bad answers and therefore getting protected). And after a while getting closed. Is that a good criterion to find post that should be deleted (obviously not blindly deleting all of them)?
 
@M-- No, but probably many people wouldn't mind seeing them go. Bare in mind that many of them should be locked for historic reasons.
 
I might use that factor in a decision, but I'd also look at incoming votes. If the post is being continually upvoted, we can say it's generating traffic to the site, which is something we want.
Yeah, Dharman's message as well. Lock might be better for many of these
 
3:40 PM
Ask yourself why should the post be deleted now? Does it harm the site? Does it contain misleading information? Is it just noise/trash that nobody will ever find helpful?
 
^
 
There's plenty of closed downvoted questions, which won't roomba. I think they should go first.
 
M--
@Dharman Well that's given. We ask that question whenever we want to delete a question.
 
@Dharman You say "first" as if there's a chance that the burning tire yard of non-roomba-able questions will ever go away
 
M--
@Dharman write up the query :P
@Das_Geek they won't? :S
 
3:43 PM
Hence, my point. Let's continue deleting the new trash, instead of worrying about decade old posts that are off-topic
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@M-- I think someone has before. I might do it though when I have some time.
@M-- Even a simple search would turn up with plenty: stackoverflow.com/…
 
Pffft...only 161k
@Dharman I'm almost to 2009 with my "no longer needed" comment queries :D
 
M--
@Dharman Let's go... ^__^
 
3:59 PM
Just for info, regarding my earlier email address question - both ..@stackoverflow.com and ..@stackoverflow.email worked! I don't have the heart to test out the other options proffered, as Yaakov already got my email twice got my email twice.
 
I see what you did did there
 
quite the staring contest there
 
@TylerH No, that's love :)
 
4:02 PM
@M-- it depends. If the view count is low, it's likely that deletion is appropriate. However, if the viewcount/score is high, or there are stellar answers, then it may be a candidate for historical lock.
Historically, mods have waited until a question has undergone some delete-votes or lots of close/reopen or delete/undelete swaps before considering a historical lock, but these days they are a little quicker to pre-empt that back-and-forth with one.
 
@Dharman Which one is you?
 
@Dharman Most of the time a question should be deleted now because it should have been deleted long ago, and it only still exists because enough people w/ delete votes haven't passed by yet.
There's no reason not to delete an older question if it deserves deletion, other than we as non-moderators have a limited number of delete votes per day (or none if we're below 10K). So it's left up to the discretion of each individual how they want to cast those.
 
@TylerH Were you around when there was a 'proper' 10K/Delete-Vote review queue? (Or am I getting befuddled, again?)
 
@AdrianMole I'm not sure what you mean. Since I joined Stack Overflow, as far as I know, there has not been a delete vote review queue, only the 10k tools page.
I think there used to be the ability (no review queue though) for any user with enough rep to unilaterally delete or close a question, but it only lasted a few months
 
@AdrianMole AFAIK there's never been a delete queue. There is a 10K "tool" that we can use though.
 
4:06 PM
There was a chat on Meta, somewhere - I'll see if I can dig it up.
 
because Jeff realized it would be too abused w/ no oversight
Note that I didn't get 10k reputation until, what, 2018? Late 2017? So I was a few years into my time here when I even got to see deleted content and cast delete votes.
 
I was getting mixed up with the 10k Flag Queue - gone, now.
... and others (2014) have requested a Delete Review Queue.
 
4:22 PM
@AdrianMole yep, it worked, we deleted it.
 
hmm
 
Yep, I did not exist back then
 
4:48 PM
And good morning all ...
 
Morning!
 
@rene happy strike day!
 
@M-- Something like this works if you exclude duplicates. Duplicates should be handled with more care. data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1199366?Tag=php
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5:05 PM
I've counted
 
Is it worth suggesting a "have you checked these" quick reference links in tag info? E.g. for PHP, would have all the common dupe targets - though I guess that only works if people read the info haha :)
 
In total, this week, I have 20 meetings.
 
@treyBake nobody reads the tag info
 
gunr, is that you? So hard to tell because of the fur
 
@Dharman yeah I guess haha just hoping to reduce the amount I use the same dupe target in the day
 
5:07 PM
If he died and reincarnated into a spearrel in the past then we can assume that acute meetingite is linked to the soul
 
puts on face mask to avoid contracting deadly meetingitus
 
coughs around
 
|:
 
I do also have a cough. Ended up voiceless at the event yesterday night
 
5:15 PM
@Kyll Did you steal gunr's mojo?
 
@Kyll awesome! so you have still time left to get actual work done ...
 
5:31 PM
@rene That's what evenings and weekends are for!
 
6:27 PM
 
7:13 PM
What’s the suggested way to handle self-dupes?
 
M--
@sideshowbarker I dunno much (nothing) about the tags in question. Would you explain why they are duplicates of each other?
 
@sideshowbarker I can't weigh in on the dupeness, but standard procedure is to close the new one to the old one, unless the new on is a better target
 
@M-- same error message cited, same problem description. The only differences are that the OP added some tags and re-worded in a way that just could have been done by and edit/update to the first question
@NathanOliver OK but as far as closing the new one, what close reason can I use? Choosing “Duplicate” doesn’t work unless the question I’m marking it as a duplicate of is one that has at least one upvoted answer, right?
 
@sideshowbarker If the OP is the same, there doesn't need to be an answer, you can still close the Q as a dupe.
 
aha
thanks!
 
M--
7:21 PM
@sideshowbarker Well if you're sure, you can close the old one (seems that the new one is better) as NathanOliver suggested. I am not sure if we (us, ordinary users :D) are allowed to make edits and bring information from one to another (sort of merging), but if we are allowed, is not a bad idea to do that as well.
 
M--
@M-- Anybody knows if it's a legit edit to "merge" code/explanation for self-dupes?
 
@M-- Seems NAA yeah. The answerer even says so in their comment (that they posted it as an answer because they didn’t have enough rep to comment).
 
M--
7:38 PM
Thanks.
 
8:10 PM
TIL - this is an awesome improvement to CSS Media Queries (works on Firefox only currently) jsfiddle.net/9orzkx3u
Previously you had to use unwieldy syntax (min-width: n px), now you can use (width >= n px)
a rare, useful improvement
 
Oh wow, I'm gonna use that right away! The one web app I maintain only targets Firefox
 
8:27 PM
Update the FAQ? Keep in mind that you're asking at least 4 other people to look at the post to evaluate it.
 
@mickmackusa thanks, I'll get that changed
 
Why do 4 people need to evaluate an FAQ?
On this site?
 
FAQ page updated
 
@NathanOliver It was the FAQ's previous wording, when # of CVs was still 5
 
@Das_Geek I think he was making a joke :-)
 
8:33 PM
:)
 
Ah, okay. That's a signal for me to get some coffee
 
!!/coffee Das_Geek
 
@NathanOliver brews a cup of Affogato for @Das_Geek
 
you saw nothing
 
8:38 PM
Never an option for black coffee, *sigh*
Though any caffeine is appreciated, even if it does come loaded with sugar
 
Welp, I've ticked off someone. My top 3 answers all got a down vote. We shall see what the script thinks about that
 
heh
 
8:53 PM
@NathanOliver Too many serial upvotes in your account history; can’t confirm downvotes :-)
Speaking of, somehow I missed when you crossed 100k
 
I knew buying the value packs of socks was a mistake :(
 
There’s some controversy in the C++ tag. I see some downvotes from other folks who know what’s up. Answering some [language-lawyer] questions recently? ;-)
 
@CodyGray I think it was last October. I'd have shared a pic of the swag, but I missed that ship.
 
@CodyGray SO did too
 
Hah! Well, I didn’t miss it. Just forgot.
 
dbc
8:58 PM
What to do with a non-English question that includes a self-answer? Bloquear el comportamiento multiventana de android - Flutter.
 
@dbc close
 
dbc
Already done. But it won't get roomba'd since it has an answer, right?
 
it says it will roomba in 10 days
the answer isnt accepted
 
dbc
Oh. Actually, how to I see that?
 
@dbc Delete it
 
9:00 PM
@dbc Install Makyen's script
 
M--
@M-- @CodyGray do you have any thoughts on this?
 
Don’t need a script to see that non-English posts need to be deleted.
@M-- Prolly. I have thoughts on everything. Currently on mobile, so it’s hard to click the little arrows all the way back. Can you summarize the context, please?
“Hi buddies” triggered
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@CodyGray Plz halp me out???!
Urgently
 
Oh, it’s urgent? Well, why didn’t you say so!
 
@halfer Apparently it's not a joke: stackoverflow.com/q/60234099/1839439
 
9:11 PM
Halfer doesn’t joke about this stuff. He speaks from experience.
“Does this answer your question?” comment, flagged with “let the people ask”.
You see, @Dharman, few people are clever enough to be able to make this stuff up. Reality is stranger than fiction.
 
9:26 PM
@Dharman Heh, yeah - sometimes "halp" is a spelling mistake, sometimes it is used ironically
stakoverflow iz a nice chat rm!
 
The quality of dups in PHP tag is astonishing. stackoverflow.com/q/60325006/1839439
 
@halfer no u can not haz cheezburger
 
What really astonishes me is the lengths people will go to to avoid pressing Ctrl+C. It takes at least ten times more effort to take, crop, and upload a screenshot than it does to just copy-paste.
 
@CodyGray Don't forget the nice highlighting you can do with a screenshot
 
9:38 PM
Cmd+Shift+4 on the Mac does make it easier. On stupid Windows, I either have to crop manually or use the stupid Snipping Tool, which now has a stupid message that it’s being replaced with another stupid tool that has an even more confusing (and stupid) interface.
 
In the new windows you now have Shift+Windows+S to take screenshots easily
 
But still, uploading that image and all is definitely more work than Ctrl+V.
@Dharman What is this “the new windows”?
 
step 2 of broken windows
 
Windows 10 1903 or something like that. It was introduced recently
 
I do not like the new buttons in the site editor. The link button just looks wrong
 
9:41 PM
@Dharman I see. Probably an update I haven’t installed yet. Not to mention there’s no clear list of new features added, so nothing is discoverable. Does it work just like Cmd+Shift+4 has on the Mac since, oh, System 7?
 
probably. you mark the screen area and it puts the image in the clipboard. No UI, no popups, no feedback at all
 
The latest Windows 10 version is 2004. Before that there were two 19## versions: 1909 and, before that, 1903
 
Ah, ok. Yeah, the Mac implementation just gives you a marquee that you draw around the area, and then it dumps to a file on the desktop.
 
@TylerH Sue me, I'm behind.
 
That’s way nicer than having to run a separate program. Looking forward to that.
Apple also has a nice feature where you can capture an entire window, complete with drop shadow, without having to draw a perfect rectangle around it. Just use the spacebar. Maybe Windows will have that, too, in another 20 years.
 
9:45 PM
Heh, 1903 is not too far behind actually. Our base image here at work only just got updated to 1809
The biggest thing at 2004 brings is Windows Subsystem for Linux 2; a large improvement from WSL1, from what I hear
 
My Corporate laptop is running 1909
 
these are not years, I hope...
 
@AndrasDeak No, YYMM format
 
I thought we were already on WSL2 several versions back...
 
2004 sounds...premature, then
 
9:47 PM
@CodyGray They may have introduced it in a prior build, but IIRC the full release is coming in vers. 2004. Maybe I misread the articles though
 
@AndrasDeak You never know with Windows. I hear they named some of them after the year it was released
 
@AndrasDeak It's technically still in the fast track, not general availability yet
 
ah.
 
@NathanOliver You’re doing it wrong. Nobody uses the buttons. Did you know there are keyboard shortcuts? Also, it’s Markdown. It’s literally easier to type the formatting symbols than it is to click buttons.
 
but it's been feature-complete since Dec 10th or so, so over 2 months already
 
M--
9:47 PM
@CodyGray In short, if a question is a self-dupe but not exactly the same (some information is added to the new one, some got left out) and we decide to close one, are we allowed to make edits and bring information from one to another (sort of merging them together)?
 
@CodyGray What? I always use longform <!-- language: lang-## --> identifiers
you mean... people use something other than that? cretins...
 
@CodyGray I like using the link button because most of my links have brackets in them. I guess I'll just have to learn the keyboard shortcut now.
 
@Dharman Which ones? Windows 95 was released in 96; Windows 2000 was RTMed in 1999.
 
Was that off-by-one year due to compatibility reasons with Lotus 123...?
 
Oh yes, the other big improvement in W10 v2004 is that Cortana is officially decoupled from Windows Search by default.
 
9:49 PM
@TylerH That’s the way you do it. The buttons won’t help you do that.
@TylerH Woohoo, two things I never use
 
2004 also brings virtual desktop renaming inline (persistent across reboots), which'll be nice for folks who use it
and I'm sure other stuff I don't recall/havent read yet
 
@M-- Yes, I’d say that is reasonable. Even encouraged. Port the new information back into the original question. It should have been an edit anyway, not posted as a new question.
When do we get a tabbed Explorer? I saw some screenshots of that a while back, but no release yet.
 
M--
@CodyGray cc: @sideshowbarker
 
I just installed the Windows Terminal preview because it lets me have tabbed console windows. That’s literally the only feature I care about. But at least it does that well. Looking forward to playing with that on a Win 10 laptop. But in my opinion having to edit a JSON settings file is a major regression. Took me almost an hour to figure out how to configure the darn thing.
 
@CodyGray Don't hold out hope zdnet.com/article/… it's canceled as of April 2019
I dunno why, that seemed like a killer feature
 
9:53 PM
Someone needs to teach JASON about preference dialog boxes...
@TylerH Sets seemed like too much to me. I don’t want all that complexity. I just want tabs in Explorer windows.
 
Well Sets is the feature set under which they were adding Explorer tabs, IIRC
I do remember seeing a tweet about it a few months ago as well, so I dunno, maybe that part has been ported
 
@CodyGray laughs in tmux
 
Yeah, I realize that, but I think it was one of those scope creep things
We don’t need to revolutionize the desktop and break every existing app.
We just need tabs in Explorer
@Das_Geek Laughing knowingly, because as a Linux user, you too often spend hours trying to configure your system?
 
@CodyGray That would be very nice.
 
@CodyGray agreed
 
9:58 PM
The Finder has had this for years. It also has column view, which is fantastic, and a lovely Details view with flippy triangles. I want flippy triangles in explorer, too.
What could be more natural for a programmer than using a TreeView to navigate their file system?
That would even help reduce the need for tabs, as you can effectively have multiple folders expanded at once to see their contents and move back and forth between them.
 
@CodyGray Can confirm, had to dive too deep into XML file so Esc keypress wouldn't mess up Vim/tmux combos
 
You may win. XML is even worse than JSON
 
cries in excess verbosity
 
Is it just me, or is this question too broad? stackoverflow.com/questions/60328257/…
 
Remember INI files? Perfectly readable for both humans and machines. They don’t support deeply nested hierarchies, but that’s a feature, not a bug.
 
10:11 PM
I love INI files
Morrowind introduced them to me
 
@CodyGray I still use them for the one off programs I make at work that I want to allow users to have some configuration of.
 
What’s Morrowind?
@NathanOliver Yep. I use them for non-one-off programs, too. :-)
 
@CodyGray One of the elder scrolls games. It was the one before Skyrim IIRC.
 
I drag in all of Boost just to use the PropertyTree module. I literally don’t need anything else from Boost, but I do need a sane, usable settings file.
 
@NathanOliver Nah, two before. TES3 Morrowind came out in 2002. Then TES4 Oblivion in 2006. Then TES5 Skyrim in 2011
 
10:19 PM
Aha. I keep forgetting about oblivion
 
probably for the best, it sucked
 
ironic
 
inorite
 
oh, buttons got bigger in the review queue
well, redesigned and fatter, by about 0.2em
 
Triage: now with a 20% larger Requires Editing button!
 
10:24 PM
@Machavity lol
 
M--
@TylerH "Roomba 10 days (daily)" it says for me
 
ah, I thought it wouldn't Roomba with that many answers
(I don't have the forecaster userscript)
 
M--
nah, only if they are upvoted or accepted
 
@M-- I see; I probably also considered that because several of the answers do have upvotes that it would preclude it
 
Is that why they have a lower z-index and I can't press them when scrolled down?
 
10:27 PM
@TylerH plus eventually one of them will get accepted...
 
I get confused which things look at the cumulative score vs which things look at "has anyone ever upvoted this"
 
10:59 PM
Wow. The tag UI has changed!
 
I think there have been more mentions of the Elder Scrolls games in this room than the number of times Skyrim has been re-released
 
How many times has skyrim been released? I thought they released it only once.
 
Well there was Skyrim, the DLC, Skyrim Legendary Edition, Skyrim Anthology, Skyrim Special Edition, Skyrim VR, then of course all the separate console releases
At this point I wouldn't be surprised if there was a Skyrim 10th Anniversary Edition next year
What bugs me the most is that to use mods you have to register a Bethesda account and use their distribution system. Like...that's not the point of mods
I want to have to fiddle with mod loading orders and INI files and troubleshoot cryptic crash dump logs, gosh darn it
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica What happened was HeatDetector reporting your comment in SOBotics (keying in on the word "spam"), I looked at the post and flagged
 
11:19 PM
So, in a way you did report it, @EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica
 
Exactly
Let the House Cup totals reflect that; 10 points to Gryffinpuff
 
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@CodyGray I was looking at the timeline for WinForm answer of yours which you once mentioned here. The pattern downvotes through the past couple of years is amazing. It looks like someone creates a new account every couple weeks or so, brings its rep to ~125, downvotes your answer and moves on to creating another account and the cycle goes on :)))) Getting a downvote or two almost every month it's so harmonious, beyond normal
(I am not actually suggesting that this is what's happening, I am just surprised that a well formatted answer, even if it says something different than what OP is asking gets that much negative feedback)
 
@M-- I wouldn’t doubt it. Being a moderator does tend to earn you some devoted “followers”.
I’d rather have the downvotes than the hate mail and the threats.
It’s entirely possible though that those downvotes are just from new users coming across the Q&A. Winforms is increasingly becoming obsolete and development on it is being dumped on the lower tier programmers who don’t question requirements or do any thinking for themselves, and thus are the least likely to find that answer helpful.
 
@Das_Geek Yeah, I was wondering if that was what happened
 
What is too often missed is that part of your job as a programmer is to be an expert. If something should not be done because it’s user-hostile, or if it takes 10 times as long to build it one way versus another way, then your job is to explain that to the client in a way that they can understand.
Obviously if the client insists, then you might have to do it. I get that. But too many people never push back and operate like the domain experts they should be. The client doesn’t know everything there is to know about software development. If they did, they wouldn’t need to hire you.
 
11:30 PM
The first comment is decidedly condescending, so it should be flagged at a minimum
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I’m going to say no, not yet. Generally with questions like that, we close them and give the asker time to fix them.
I deleted that useless and rude comment, though, before you pointed it out.
Remember: you are not supposed to explain your downvotes!
 
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@CodyGray oh brother tell me about it. You know what's worse? when your boss and not even the client asks for some stupid\useless\buggy feature to be added. Sometimes I think with myself, am I gonna end up being like some of these guys after 20 years?
 
It’s OK to think to yourself: this is a stupid question, but don’t post it as a comment.
@M-- In the words of Raymond Chen, I bet somebody got a nice bonus for that feature!
@dippas Speaking of comments, please don’t leave comments telling people what not to answer. They never come across well, regardless of your intent, and policing what other users choose to answer isn’t really even your job. Stick with moderating the questions.
It’s worth pointing out that if someone answers low-quality questions that are soon deleted, their answers get deleted, too, along with any rep they might have gained. So the system already solves this problem.
 
@CodyGray I don't think that it's wrong to explain downvotes as long as it's done constructively. If it's phrased harshly ("downvote for a stupid title!") It's counterproductive because it'll make the OP defensive instead of encouraging them to improve the question.
 
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@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica The Unsafe Downvoter :D So many of us avoid leaving comments when downvoting cause it's not safe, haha (p.s. now that I am thinking about it, it's sad)
 
11:41 PM
Sometimes people will actually improve the question if you point out what changes need to be made, though.
 
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I know. I usually leave a comment first, before downvoting. If I came across the post again and there was no improvement, then I downvote.
Gotta go, 'night y'all
 
@CodyGray some peer pressure can go a long way if phrased right
less "I hit you on the head", more "your time is better spent on good questions"
 
@CodyGray got it, deleted.
 

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