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4:54 AM
@Scratte Flags are never useless! In certain cases, enough flags from regular community members can cause action to be taken. In all cases, flags get put into review queues, where the number of flags increases the priority. Most flags (the exception being "recommend closure") ultimately get reviewed by moderators, if the problem is not resolved first by the community.
 
5:24 AM
Should/Could I flag this edit suggestion approval or I am overreacting? The question was closed before the suggestion
 
@Vega I'm not sure it's worth flagging.... But I did override the approval on it.
 
@CodyGray Thank you, I will keep that in mind for later occasions :)
 
Keep in mind that it's better to whine in here, hoping that a moderator will see it, than raise a flag? I'm afraid of the precedent that I have set... :-)
In all seriousness, if you see obviously harmful edits getting approved, that's worth a flag. But an edit that adds a word isn't really all that bad, and not really worth a flag. Certainly not worth suspending any approvers.
 
@CodyGray I had to check "to whine" in the dictionary to be sure I didn't misunderstand. The dictionary told me also that I was grumbling
 
I use it tongue-in-cheek, as someone who themselves does a lot of whining.
 
5:42 AM
:D
 
5:59 AM
@Shree the code/demo is in the link provided
 
@mickmackusa If link dead question is not valid. We prefer question stand it self not with link :)
 
@Shree that's fair. Perhaps inform the OP instead of voting to close. Then if they don't comply in a timely manner, then vote to close.
For all they know, they probably feel that it is a complete question.
 
There is no waiting period before voting to close. You should vote to close immediately. Closure isn't a punishment; it doesn't matter what the author knows or is aware of. Once the question has been edited into shape, it can then be re-opened.
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If you can edit the question to fix it yourself instead of voting to close, that is fine, even encouraged. But here, that is impossible, as copy-pasting code from a linked page may change the license under which it is distributed (code appearing on SO is distributed under CC by-SA; that license isn't necessarily the one used for code appearing on other, linked sites), so the only person who can make that edit is the original author.
 
6:10 AM
I'm fine with all of the above, but if Stackoverflow wants to be more welcoming then this is an opportunity to explain to the OP exactly what is needed. The blue closure justification alone would probably leave the OP scratching their head.
 
Sigh, yeah. That close description used to say "in the question itself". It was shortened in a misguided attempt to be more welcoming, but actually is having the opposite effect.
I have no objection to leaving clarifying comments. Just addressing a common misconception about closure. It is meant to be a transient state, to allow the issues with the question to be addressed. If they are, it is re-opened. If they aren't, it is deleted.
 
When cody is around I think 2/3/4 times when send cv request :).
 
 
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11:29 AM
Does anyone know if chat pings work in multiline messages? Self-pings don't work without a directed reply so I can't test it myself :/
 
It does not, IIRC.
 
@AndrasDeak
Yes, I think they do
 
perfect, thanks (they do)
 
Hmm, interesting.
 
they probably don't in multiline code :)
 
11:32 AM
Ah, I might be thinking of the multiline thing getting around the ten-ping maximum in a message
 
What's a multiline message? I means what's the difference between that and multiple messages?
 
The difference is that between one message and multiple messages.
 
Ok :) I think I'm on the wrong track then. I'm thinking about linefeeds inside a message.
 
11:52 AM
yes, that's how you create multiline messages
 
Any special character needed for that? or just a regular backslash n?
 
shift enter
 
@AndrasDeak It works :)
 
I know
 
 
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3:16 PM
What do think of this edit suggestion?
 
3:31 PM
@Vega Clearly conflicts with author's intent
 
Thank you, @Dharman. Is there also some kind of copyright violation?
Although, In see it was rejected since :)
 
@Vega It's in a quote block so I don't think so
 
I see. Thanks again
 
 
Sorry, I have an other question. How to flag a tag (the half of the content is copied from wikipedia)?
 
4:13 PM
@Vega - You mean a tag-wiki that has copy-pasted content? If so, maybe just edit that out (leaving a comment to that effect).
 
4:25 PM
@AdrianMole Yes, tag-wiki content. I will try to edit it out. Thank you for the advise
 
@Vega As with anything where you can't flag the actual thing, pick a question or answer and flag that with a custom mod-flag linking to where the issue is and clearly describing the problem. If there's not an appropriate question or answer, then normally pick one of your own to flag. Plagiarism in tag-wikis or tag-excerpts should be flagged. The policy is that such plagiarism is unacceptable (e.g. reviewers who approve such will get a review ban, etc.).
 
@Makyen Great resource, thank you very much
 
@Vega np. I'm glad I was able to help. :-)
 
 
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5:32 PM
Is 137k views a lot when considering deleting bad post?
 
... Hmm, considering the delete request above was 11 years old and only had 3K views, I think 137K sounds like a lot. Care to give us a link?
 
This is the question that needs to go. stackoverflow.com/questions/19201929/…
Every single answer is nonsense.
The only thing attracting the attention is the catchy title.
I wanted to ask on Meta, but you know how they be. They would tell me that every question is precious even the worst ones.
 
Then maybe it's a good signpost?
 
What exactly is it directing people to? The problem was obviously the typo and the target tells you how to enable error reporting. That's quite useless.
 
5:53 PM
I would vote to delete if it was possible
 
I mean it is possible to vote to delete, the post is closed. The question is would anyone raise any objectives if we deleted it. 137k is quite a lot of views.
 
There are two associated posts and the deletion is not possible
 
The post "cannot be delete" (I just tried) because other questions use it as a dupe target.
 
One yes, but not the other. I looked up for that but could've find
 
There is only one post. Let's delete the connected dup
 
5:58 PM
This one needs to have its dupe-target changed by a gold-hammer or moderator. The other one is not relevant.
hehe - what a 'surprise' request.
 
Where is the target mention in the second question?
 
There was only one question. The other linked post is the target of the 137k
 
OK, second one has gone, now I'm getting a 'caution' box about deleting questions with answers. @Dharman I'll accept your expertise here - are all the answers really rubbish?
 
@AdrianMole Well don't take my word for it. :D If you don't feel comfortable voting then don't.
What caution box?
 
It pops up when I click the "delete" - I don't know how to link an image into this room.
... text is "We do not recommend deleting questions with answers because doing so deprives future readers of this knowledge. See "I've thought better of my question; can I delete it?" for alternatives to deletion.

Repeated deletion of answered questions can result in your account being blocked from asking. Are you sure you wish to delete?"
 
6:05 PM
That's weird. This is not your question.
 
I guess it's aimed more at OPs deleting their own.
... and I was never user2850226!
... and it's gone, anyway.
 
To summarize that question: OP had a typo in the code. Once the typo is fixed they would need to fetch the results from the result object to see the data.
1st answer doesn't help in solving the typo and doesn't show how to fetch. 2nd answer is actually correct, but contains very little value. 3rd answer is right, but low quality, 4th answer completely off the track. 5th answer is talking about a different api. 6th answer block of code, which I do not know what it was meant to show. The other 3 were already deleted.
Out of the existing 6 answers only one was answering the question, but it wasn't a one I would upvote.
 
I spotted that most of the answers were trash. Your explanation has helped, though.
 
The target post title needs to be improved, don't you think?
 
Why is that?
 
6:13 PM
It looks "riff-raffish"?
 
It had 16 revisions, so I would be very careful about editing it. It is difficult to find that canonical as it is.
 
Fair enough :)
 
I did think about giving it a better title, but I can't come up with a better one.
 
Any opinion on these edits? stackoverflow.com/posts/2465052/revisions
One's summery says it's updating to date, but does it?
 
6:30 PM
The last edit should be flagged in my opinion.
These approvers should stay away from reviewing edits for few days IMHO
 
@Dharman Yes, 137k views is definitely a lot of views. It was certainly an important signpost in finding the dup-target. If you felt the answers were bad, then they should be down-voted. Once they are < 0 score, then >= 20k users could vote to delete them, rather than the question.
 
The other edits look ok, but are very superficial.
 
Given that the question is now deleted, the dup-target, which has only 18k views, needs to be edited to be better at SEO, i.e. it needs to include the terms which people are actually searching for, rather than a technically correct question title. Alternately, the duplicate question should be undeleted and the bad answers cleaned up.
Effectively, if the duplicate didn't exist, then finding a solution would have been harder for 137,000 people. It's not an appropriate result to make finding a solution harder, when a method to make it easier for them exists, or existed.
 
Not really. I think that 99% of these 137k views were before we closed it.
So in the past few months maybe 1-3k people saw that question and probably immediately left.
 
@Dharman Probably, but it means that the question was found and would have directed people to the dup-target and the answers they were looking for, or the dup-target was wrong.
 
6:34 PM
(Note that a duplicate automatically redirects non-signed-in users to the target question.)
 
Yes, but so do other questions.
@Mithical It doesn't
 
@Dharman But not for those 137k people.
@Mithical It only does so if there are no answers, which is why deleting poor answers on a duplicate is a good thing to do.
 
So then the question is if we left it on the site and deleted all but one answer, would we need to fix the typo, which was the reason for the question?
I would rather see other posts being edited into shape and help them attract more SEO than this one. There's just to much work to salvage it.
 
@Dharman That's a fine solution, but you earlier argued against editing the dup-target stating that it was hard to find. I really don't understand that argument, when the reason you gave was that it was hard to find, which is an argument for editing the question to make it easier to find.
 
@Makyen What I meant is that it was edited before and it made it more difficult to find. I am all for editing it, but I would be very careful in doing so.
It can't be a trivial edit.
This tag is so broken. The API is not very robust, but there are 27k questions and people keep asking the same stuff over and over again.
It is not the only canonical we have, but it is the best. There's 2 more: 1 2
And 3
 
7:04 PM
@Dharman OK, but I'd still argue that it's not good to delete a signpost that averages 60 people per day, particularly prior to editing the dup-target, or dup-targets, so that it/they get a higher percentage of search hits.
@Dharman I don't see any of those dup-targets which mention "echo" or displaying errors or results. The title(s) of canonicals should include the terms people are likely to search for. That can even be in a parenthetical after the original question (e.g. "Turning query errors to Exceptions in MySQLi (echo or display MySQL results)"). However, I'm definitely not a SME in this area, so can't really advise, other than from a searching perspective.
 
@Makyen No, I think you missed my point. The problem in the deleted question was a typo in SQL. PHP doesn't tell you about errors unless you tell it to report errors. What OP wanted to do was never going to work, because they had errors disabled. To echo or display data from the result object is a different question altogether. I wrote 2 answers today explaining it 1 2
 
Moaning all, happy damp Monday.
 
It's still Sunday. :D I don't go to work for another 14 hours
 
7:35 PM
@mickmackusa You appear to not recall that "give me the codez" is banned from being in request reasons.
 
Okay. I did not know that. I'll try again
Why not just edit that out instead of deleting the request?
 
@mickmackusa I don't see why would we want to close that question.
 
I explained in detail, but a moderator has scrubbed all my comments on that page.
It is a requirements dump and is perpetuating the belief that vilunteers are willing ti do free work and require no effort/research. Nick's answer is good, but the question is not yet complete.
If I was Nick, I would hold my answer hostage until a coding attempt is posted.
 
@mickmackusa I don't think we have anything in the rules about not helping people. The question is clear and focused.
 
I am using that strategy right now elsewhere because I believe grooming new users to post complete question wil make Stackoverflow a better place.
 
7:48 PM
@mickmackusa I agree that seeing coding attempt in the question helps in answering, but it is not always necessary to provide an answer.
The complete solution should be in the answers, not in the question.
 
It is not Focussed. It is asking for multiple techniques. If the P showed any work, there may be a duplicate to provide which which fixes an individual error.
But there is no attempt. Too Broad.
 
The question can pose an interesting programming problem without any previous code and as long as the question being asked is clear and the answer will be relatively simple and short there's no reason to close the question.
 
Indulging this question will only encourage more requirements dumps / help vampirism.
 
I would normally agree with you, but not here.
 
It is almost a good question. There is a good question hidden in it. This is a great opportunity to educate the OP on what is expected.
 
7:51 PM
You can make a short comment about it then in the comment section. No previous attempt is not a reason to close unless that attempt was crucial to understanding the problem.
You can also down vote the question. After all this is the description of the down vote button.
 
What are the chances that the next question will be without any effort if this question yields a solution?
I am trying to make the questions in the php tag pool "better". By refusing to help those who do not try first, the OPs will quickly learn what is expected if they want support.
It is like telling your kids to clean their room. They don't do it, but you give them cake anyhow. If they learn, it will be luck, not parenting.
@Makyen I just did a "find in page" search on the FAQ page for "give me" and there were no results. Where is it said that this is a banned term? I honestly don't know what is banned. I know there is no "booming ", but that's about it.
 
we don't every word you're not allowed to use in our FAQ
 
^I can't flag b/c I'm on mobile
 
@mickmackusa in What Should Request Reasons Contain? it is asked to include your actual close reason. AFAIK "give me the codez" is not close reason that appears in the close dialog.
 
@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Even on mobile you can switch to desktop version temporarily
 
@Dharman so where do you draw the line on help vampirism and requirement dumps? If the question has clear input and clear expect result, then fair game? Let people abuse volunteers as a free coding service?
 
8:24 PM
@mickmackusa I agree with your assessment, in that some questions are so lazy they should be closed in order to teach the OP that vampirism is not acceptable. However some folks in the Meta/SO community may argue that CVR would be stepping out of the bounds of its role if we were to close on that basis. So it probably makes sense for us to tread carefully.
It occurs to me that this room no longer has a company champion, which is perhaps another thing to take into account.
 
@mickmackusa I would say it is just your judgement call. In my opinion a question should be judged not based on the user asking it, but rather on the usefulness to the broader community. If the problem stated is clear to understand without any code attempt then I see no reason to punish the user for asking a useful question.
If you think the question would be difficult to answer in its current state or that OP shows lack of any knowledge about the topic asked and the question is not going to be useful to others even if answered then you can close it down. The help that OP receives is just a side effect of the way this site works.
In many cases the complete opposite happens. We close questions, which have very good attempts, but are not going to be useful to anyone else.
At the end of the data closing is a means to prevent bad answers, not OP getting help.
 
 
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...regarding my last reopen request, I am in the John Dvorak camp that believes "too broad, usually. Or "unclear where exactly you are stuck"."
 
11:03 PM
This question has been reopened without the OP providing the necessary information to make it clear. Several users who are dedicated to handling the pyqt tag have asked and explained to the OP that information is missing to solve their problem but so far it has not provided it.
 

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